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No matter air defense or not
2023-01-16
Direct Translation via Google Translate. Edited.

Commentary by Russian military journalist Boris Rozhin

[ColonelCassad] The total number of deaths in Dnepropetrovsk as a result of a missile hitting a residential building has reached 20.

The Ukrainian media moved the record to "it doesn't matter - it was a Russian missile or an air defense missile is to blame - in any case, Russia is to blame."

Of course, if this was a real arrival of a rocket through a residential building, they would have turned a completely different barrel organ.

Well, it's all classic. As it already happened during the shelling of Poland and other hits on other residential buildings throughout Ukraine.

As shown by the media circus on blood, the victims in Dnepropetrovsk are just another consumable for the Zelensky gang.

As a result of "the work of the president of the world" many more people will die in Ukraine.

Says Russian blogger Donetsk:
A tragedy

[DONRF] The death of twenty civilians is always a tragedy. Especially when there are children among them. Even if it's an enemy. My condolences to the relatives of the dead and injured in Dnepropetrovsk citizens of Ukraine. Donbass knows how it is, Ukrainian shells and rockets killed and maimed thousands of DLNR civilians. And the number of victims is growing daily.

However, we do not kill enemy civilians. This is not ours, and that which is not inherent in us. In principle, what happened is understandable - there is a Western version, Ukrainian, and two adequate ones. Exactly the same as it was in Kremenchug. But let's start with the questions:

1. Why are people not evacuated there at the signal "Air Raid"? The signal was, the time was. Earlier, there were also attacks on the infrastructure of the Dnieper, military and industrial. Why? In the last war, there was a door-to-door detour, people were forced to go down to bomb shelters, water, electricity and gas were turned off ... But then the governments did not give a damn about citizens. Kievsky doesn't care.

2. Why there were explosions in the house. I don't believe in BC or self-detonation. But in gas cylinders completely. Just as in Kremenchug there are some tanks across the fence from the shopping center, so here - Ukraine does not care about the safety of citizens.

3. Why was the version of Arestovich, whom only a complete psycho would call a Muscovite, blurred and refuted? After all, if he is right, the next tragedy is inevitable. Maybe because on peaceful ... read above. And here having thought over it - it is possible and about versions.

The simplest is Ukrainian. Damn the Muscovites, wanting to kill all Ukrainians, sent 27 rockets to power facilities, and one to a residential building. Without fail in the Dnieper and without fail a Soviet socket in a residential area. In the Russian Dnieper, and not, say, in the ragulized Lvov, or the Bandera Rivne. They are such Muscovites - they don’t want to kill Raguls and Bandera, but Russians are only happy. Rave? Full. But ... why does a pig need normal food? There is slop. And in Kyiv they perceive their lackeys precisely for pigs.

Western version - the rocket hit. Without clarification. For writing Ukrainian nonsense - they will not believe it, but they will not understand the truth. So got it. There is nothing to argue with - something got into the house.

Well, the versions are sane:

1. Air defense missile. In general, this happened many times, the Poles will not let you lie. Missiles for the S-300 are rotten and expired, self-liquidators do not work. In addition, installations and calculations are placed within the city, and if a missile misses, it still hits. At home. The taller the building, the higher the chance.

That the inhabitants of Ukraine should take into account, and finally protect their lives. If you don’t feel sorry for the property, hide in shelters, if it’s a pity, merge the coordinates of air defense installations on social networks, forcing them to move outside the city limits. Against her says that the explosion was powerful. Very powerful. Although if oxygen cylinders of 150 atmospheres were stored in the house ...

2. KR was hit by missiles, went off course and hit the house. The most likely version. PPO pratsyue so to speak. Of course, there was only one explosion on the video, but the hit could have been earlier. S-300 missiles release a huge amount of damaging elements during an explosion, and even one, hitting a missile, can change its course. Arestovich's coming-out also speaks for her.

Cynically speaking, for Kyiv, the civilian population is freeloaders, their death is material for propaganda, but the energy facility is valuable material. Therefore, knocking a missile off course is a feat, and the death of civilians ... they will be given Western weapons.

3. The CD itself went off course. Strongly unlikely. At a speed of Mach 3. Is at startup, but there is a self-liquidator. And if something goes wrong, the crew applies it. Rockets are old, rather primitive, but reliable. And KVO 50 meters. That is to miss on more - in any way. There are no objects in the photo that could be hit.

Therefore, version two is correct. Less likely - version one. Glory to PPO. PPO strength. PPO works. And once again I express my condolences to the victims, and once again I invite the Ukrainians to think. head. To keep her head on her shoulders. Because your authorities provoked a war, and your corpses are beneficial to your authorities. Think. And over this, and over why, say, in Lviv, Rivne and Lutsk, air defense is OUTSIDE the cities, and the interception is carried out at 30-40 km. And you, in Kyiv, Dnipro, Krivoy Rog, Nikolaev - a little differently.

As for the human aspect - let's not be like them. We are people, and it is stupid and immoral to rejoice at the death of peaceful people.

From Russian military blogger Andrey Chervonets:
Unexpected confession of Arestovich

[Chernovec] The speaking head of the Ukrainian side, Aleksey Arestovich, said on air that the fall of a rocket on a residential building in Dnepropetrovsk was due to the work of Ukrainian air defense, which shot down a target over a residential area.

F: That is, there was no opportunity to shoot down this missile in the Dnieper in an amicable way?

A: No, she was knocked down and she fell on the porch.

F: Did she fall on the porch?

A: Yes. But it exploded when it fell.

One of the entrances of the house collapsed. At the moment, it is known about five dead and several dozen injured.

It is obvious that the rocket was shot down from the flight path along the Pridneprovskaya TPP. The TPP itself is located literally opposite the place where the downed missile fell, across the mirror of the Dnieper River.

There have already been many cases when Ukrainian air defense works so unsuccessfully - in the capital, in Odessa, in Zaporozhye, in Kharkov. That is, the problem is that the Armed Forces of Ukraine deploy air defense in the urban agglomeration in order to hide behind residential areas and protect their anti-aircraft systems.

This is not the first time that this has happened, but for the Ukrainian side to so without equivocals and promptly acknowledge its participation in what happened - this has never happened before. I suppose it's all the fault of the live broadcast, when for some time Lucien's tongue inadvertently ran ahead of his own thoughts.

Meanwhile, the Ukrainian TG channels are outraged that Arestovich voiced the truthful information and obstructed him.

“And how do we look now in front of the world community” - the Ukrainian CIP colonel “Shtirlitz” is clearly bombarded by the fact that Lucien confused all the propaganda cards for him.

Someone attacked Arestovich with a question, they say, "who needs this truth of yours ???". Ukrainians live in a world of illusions much more pleasant

And someone talks about the inevitable dismissal of Arestovich, due to the fact that a drop of truth slipped through his propaganda.

For the sounded and inconvenient truth, the mayor of the Dnieper, Filatov, has already called Arestovich a "garbage mouth."

Ukrainian publics are already frankly admitting that Arestovich thwarted and nullified the psychological special operation they so diligently torn apart in the form of dances on the bones of the dead residents of Dnepropetrovsk.

It's time for Prigozhin to prepare an evacuation group to Kyiv. To save Arestovich.

More from Chervonets:
Ukrainian officials are confused in their nonsense

[Chernovec] After Arestovich's words that the missile that fell on a house in Dnepropetrovsk was shot down by air defense forces, Mykola Oleshchuk, commander of the Ukrainian Air Force, said that the Armed Forces of Ukraine "have no weapons capable of shooting down this type of missiles."

We are talking about X-22 cruise missiles. Back in the summer, according to official reports, they shot down Kh-22 missiles from everything they could.

Here is such a sudden reversal of the statements of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from “we shoot down everything” to “we don’t know how to shoot down such a thing at all.”

However, the journalists recalled that this year the Armed Forces of Ukraine officially reported the downing of such missiles by air defense forces at least three times this year.

- On May 30, the Air Force claimed to have shot down such a missile over the Odessa region and showed its wreckage.

- On June 5, on the Facebook of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine it was said: "5 X-22s flew out, we shot down one"

- on June 29 they reported the defeat of an X-22 flying from the Black Sea.

- On July 1, the 101st security brigade of the General Staff in Kyiv reported that it shot down such a missile with the Igla portable anti-aircraft missile system.

Their reality is pathological nonsense. They are still wondering why they are not believed...

The Office of the President urgently needs to clean all the media from old news, otherwise Ukrainians will finally begin to guess that they are constantly being lied to.

Yet, more, again from Chervonets.
In Ukraine, they once again proved that the main value of political “Ukrainianism” is a lie.

[Chernovec] Now Kiev is trying to find wording to somehow justify the statement of Aleksey Arestovich on the air that a rocket falling on a residential building in Dnepropetrovsk is the result of Ukrainian air defense .

With his careless revelations, Lucien destroyed and nullified the long-established messages of his own official propagandists.

Yesterday, the office propagandists already stated that they have no ability to shoot down Kh-22 missiles, although earlier they have repeatedly officially said the opposite and often stated that they shot down this type of missile.

But the Ukrainian news agency UNIAN stated that the showdown with each other (that is, the showdown between Arestovich and the Ukrainian media) should be postponed until later, advising the speaker to coordinate his statements with official representatives in the future, in fact calling for lying in the same way, “otherwise we’ll burn.”

And in general, in “history, the air defense was shot down - the air defense was not shot down,” the agency believes, it is necessary to put an end to it, because. in any version, Russia should be to blame.

About "who is to blame" sounds interesting. For some reason, journalists modestly did not develop reasoning about cause-and-effect relationships further.

Let me remind you that there would never have been a conflict:

- if at least in February 2022 Ukraine had confirmed its neutral status and not joining NATO;

- if there had been no publicized Bandera-fascist propaganda in the country:

- if official Kiev had fulfilled the Minsk agreements;

- if there had not been a bloody Maidan in 2014, a race on it with malicious Russophobic slogans, there would have been no overthrow of the current legitimate president (who, for a moment, was chosen by the South-East of Ukraine as well) and the split of the country in 2014 (Odessa tragedy, bombings of Donbass, etc.), which was organized by those who are now counting all the goodies from the Ukrainian crisis from across the ocean.

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