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MSN So Grain of Salt - ‘Comrade Xi, One of our subs is missing’
2023-08-24
RUMINT, or perhaps just RUM...
Has a Chinese Submarine Crashed in the Taiwan Strait? What We Know

Unconfirmed reports have suggested a Chinese nuclear submarine has crashed in the Taiwan Strait—the body of water that separates mainland China from Taiwan—days after Beijing launched military drills around the island in a "stern warning" to Taipei and Washington.

Reports circulating online have claimed that one of China's Type 093, or "Shang-class," nuclear submarines had crashed in unknown circumstances at some point in the past few days. Some of the reports claimed the entire crew onboard the vessel had been killed.

Beijing considers Taiwan a breakaway part of mainland China, to be eventually reunited under central control. But Taipei, which has established a democratic government, has long asserted its independence from Beijing and attempted to align itself with Western allies.

There has been no official confirmation of a Chinese submarine running into difficulty in the contentious strait, and experts have been hesitant to speculate. The topic was not mentioned in a press briefing from China's Defense Ministry on Tuesday and has not appeared in any state news agencies' reports.

Officials in Taipei did not confirm the reports. In remarks carried by Taiwanese news outlets on Tuesday, a spokesperson for Taipei's Defense Ministry said during a regular press briefing that the island's military and government had not detected any evidence of a submarine crash and could not substantiate the reports.

Newsweek has reached out to the Chinese Defense Ministry for comment.

There has not yet been "any convincing evidence" to support the reports, naval expert and analyst, H I Sutton, said in a post to X, formerly known as Twitter, on Tuesday.
Posted by:Griter Slash1619

#6  was lost to defensive systems

Or collision with a US vessel.
Posted by: Skidmark   2023-08-24 14:14  

#5  There has not yet been "any convincing evidence" to support the reports, naval expert and analyst, H I Sutton, said in a post to X, formerly known as Twitter, on Tuesday.

...Sutton's stuff is world class OSINT. If he's not hearing anything yet then either they're keeping a hell of a lid on it or it didn't happen. Keep an eye on his feeds.

Mike
Posted by: MikeKozlowski   2023-08-24 13:00  

#4  As mentioned earlier, any thought that the sub was on some form of recon/sabotage/clandestine insertion operation and was lost to defensive systems, perhaps mines?
Posted by: NoMoreBS   2023-08-24 12:30  

#3  
Posted by: Warthog   2023-08-24 10:14  

#2  I've been reading this for two days now, so MSN is late to the game. Note that when the story first appeared two days ago, Chairman Xi missed making his scheduled address at the BRICS conference in South Africa.
Posted by: ed in texas   2023-08-24 09:29  

#1  Taiwan denies reports that a Chinese nuclear sub has crashed near the Taiwan Strait
Posted by: Skidmark   2023-08-24 05:25  

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