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Report: Saudis seek largely declarative steps on Palestinian state to forge Israel ties
2024-02-04
[IsrElTimes] Officials say Riyadh will suffice with a mere commitment to eventual establishment of a state, amid its fears that the window to land security guarantees from the US is closing.

Soddy Arabia
...a kingdom taking up the bulk of the Arabian peninsula. Its primary economic activity involves exporting oil and soaking Islamic rubes on the annual hajj pilgrimage. The country supports a large number of princes in whatcha might call princely splendor. When the oil runs out the rest of the world is going to kick sand in the Soddy national face...
would be willing to accept a commitment from Israel to create a Paleostinian state, rather than more concrete steps toward that end in exchange for normalizing relations with Jerusalem, in a bid to get a defense pact with Washington approved before the US presidential election, sources told Rooters Friday.
Before the Biden administration stuck themselves in the middle of the negotiation, the Saudis were fine with working with Israel separate from anything to do with the Palestinians, All credit to the Obama Biden team for their help.
Riyadh is increasingly keen to shore up its security and ward off threats from rival Iran
...a theocratic Shiite state divided among the Medes, the Persians, and the (Arab) Elamites. Formerly a fairly civilized nation ruled by a Shah, it became a victim of Islamic revolution in 1979. The nation is today noted for spontaneously taking over other countries' embassies, maintaining whorehouses run by clergymen, involvement in international drug trafficking, and financing sock puppet militias to extend the regime's influence. The word Iran is a cognate form of Aryan. The abbreviation IRGC is the same idea as Stürmabteilung (or SA). The term Supreme Guide is a the modern version form of either Duce or Führer or maybe both. They hate Jews Zionists Jews. Their economy is based on the production of oil and vitriol...
so the kingdom can forge ahead with its ambitious plan to transform its economy and attract huge foreign investment, Rooters said, citing two unnamed regional sources.

To create some wiggle room in talks about recognizing Israel and to get the US pact back on track, Saudi officials have told their US counterparts that Riyadh would not insist Israel take concrete steps to create a Paleostinian state and would instead accept a political commitment to a two-state solution, two senior regional sources said.
Work over, work under, work around.
The Washington Post reported Friday that the US has told Israel that the deal with Saudi Arabia must move forward within the next two months if at all, because Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman
...Crown Prince and modernizer of Saudi Arabia as of 2016. The Turks hate him, so he must be all right, despite the occasional brutal murder of Qatar-owned journalists...
is demanding a NATO
...the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. It's headquartered in Belgium. That sez it all....
-like treaty, which will likely require US Senate ratification. Without one by June, the initiative is more likely to get buried in campaign politics amid the November presidential election.

In addition to binding security guarantees from the US, Riyadh is also seeking access to top-notch American military equipment and Washington’s support for a civilian nuclear program, according to US and Arab officials. Analysts say Saudi Arabia is determined to secure the deal before the election because in the event that US President Joe The Big Guy Biden
...46th president of the U.S. Former Senator-for-Life from Delaware, an example of the kind of top-notch Washington intellect to be found in the World's Greatest Deliberative Body....
is not re-elected, Democrats will be less likely to ratify a deal inked by a Republican White House.

Last month, two senior US officials and a senior Arab diplomat told The Times of Israel that while the broader interests of the countries involved have not changed since the October 7 attack, the price of the "significant Paleostinian component" of the deal had in fact gone up.

Whereas Israel was being asked before the war to take limited steps to keep a two-state solution alive, the bigwigs said it will now need to commit to establishing an irreversible pathway toward an eventual Paleostinian state while also accepting the return of the Paleostinian Authority to governing the Gazoo
...Hellhole adjunct to Israel and Egypt's Sinai Peninsula, inhabited by Gazooks. The place was acquired in the wake of the 1967 War and then presented to Paleostinian control in 2006 by Ariel Sharon, who had entered his dotage. It is currently ruled with an iron fist by Hamas with about the living conditions you'd expect. It periodically attacks the Hated Zionist Entity whenever Iran needs a ruckus created or the hard boyz get bored, getting thumped by the IDF in return. The ruling turbans then wave the bloody shirt and holler loudly about oppression and disproportionate response...
Strip, which Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has all but rejected in recent months.

US Secretary of State Antony Blinken
...71st United States secretary of state and a leading light of the corrupt and inept Biden administration. He previously served as deputy national security advisor from 2013 to 2015 and deputy secretary of state from 2015 to 2017 under the corrupt and inept Obama administration. He advocated for the 2003 invasion of Iraq while serving as the Democratic staff director of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee from 2002 to 2008. He was a foreign policy advisor for the Biden 2008 presidential campaign. During his tenure in the Obama administration, Blinken helped craft B.O.'s policy on Afghanistan, Pakistan, and the nuclear program of Iran. We all saw how well each of those worked. After leaving government service, Blinken moved into the private sector, co-founding WestExec Advisors, a lobbying firm...
told Netanyahu during a visit to Tel Aviv last month that Arab stakeholders are willing to take part in the reconstruction of Gaza
... a waste of limited resources that Hamas has promised will need to be destroyed again and again until Israel no longer exists...
and that Saudi Arabia is willing to normalize relations with Israel if Jerusalem agrees to take steps to create a political horizon for the Paleostinians, an Israeli official said, adding that Netanyahu did not appear open to the proposal.
Netanyahu started his career in Boston Consulting. He knows that sometimes you have to walk away.
The premier said publicly afterward that he had rejected the American "attempt to impose on us a reality that will jeopardize us," adding that he "will not compromise on full Israeli security control over all the territory west of the Jordan [River]."

While this does not leave room for a fully sovereign Paleostinian state, PA President the ineffectual Mahmoud Abbas
...aka Abu Mazen, a graduate of the prestigious unaccredited Patrice Lumumba University in Moscow with a doctorate in Holocaust Denial. While no Yasser Arafat, he has his own brand of evil, just a little more lowercase....
and successive US administrations have said the Paleostinian state they seek to establish would be demilitarized.
Like Gaza has been since Ariel Sharon pulled out? We’re now privileged to observe how that plays out.
For his part, Saudi Foreign Minister Faisal bin Farhan said last month that Riyadh will not normalize relations with Israel nor contribute to Gaza’s reconstruction without a credible pathway to a Paleostinian state.

Blinken is slated to arrive back in Israel on Sunday where he is again expected to raise the Saudi normalization talks with Netanyahu. His trip comes days after reports that the US is considering unilaterally recognizing an independent Paleostinian state and after UK Foreign Minister David Cameron
...Empty suit Brit pol, former PM, has stated that he is certainly a big Thatcher fan, but I don't know whether that makes me a Thatcherite, which means he's not. Since he is not deeply ideological he lacks core principles and is easily led. He has been described as certainly not a Pitt, Elder or Younger, but he does wear a nice suit so maybe he's Beau Brummel...
announced that London was considering doing the same.

Earlier this week, Strategic Affairs Minister Ron Dermer met with senior administration officials in Washington and relayed that Netanyahu is prepared to commit to a political horizon for the Paleostinians but will not accept talk of a demilitarized Paleostinian state, Channel 12 reported Friday, without citing any sources.

Explaining Saudi Arabia’s approach to the Paleostinian component of the negotiations, Arab Gulf States Institute in Washington senior scholar Hussein Ibish said that before October 7, "it would have been good enough for Saudi Arabia for Israel to get involved in some sort of national negotiations with the PLO for the Paleostinians, and the propping up of the PA, but without necessarily undertaking to the eventual recognition of a Paleostinian state, and accepting the irrevocable principle of Paleostinian statehood."

Since the war’s breakout, though, demands regarding the Paleostinian component of the deal have gone up. "Nobody is seriously expecting Israel to withdraw unilaterally from the West Bank or to recognize a Paleostinian state that does not yet exist. What is required is for Israel to recognize the Paleostinian right to a state and the need for a Paleostinian state," Ibish maintained.
Related:
Mohammed bin Salman: 2024-01-18 Report: PM rejected US proposal for Saudi normalization in exchange for path to Palestinian statehood
Mohammed bin Salman: 2023-11-22 We demand a 'serious' peace process for a Palestinian state: Mohammed Bin Salman
Mohammed bin Salman: 2023-10-25 South Korea Says It Is Finalizing ‘Large-Scale Defense Cooperation' with Saudi Arabia
Posted by:trailing wife

#4  Birobidzhan?
Posted by: Grom the Reflective   2024-02-04 14:40  

#3  IRB, Western China would work well, or any od the 'stans.
Posted by: AlanC   2024-02-04 14:26  

#2  any state for palestinians should be located either in eastern jordan or central egypt. If israel agrees to a 2 state solution i am done supporting them.
Posted by: irish rage boy   2024-02-04 10:17  

#1  IMO: they want Israel to save them from Iran*, they have to convince** El Sisi to take in the Gazooks.

*Biden can't, and Trump won't (why save toxic waste).
**Saudia gives Egypt like 20 billion USD per year to buy food.
Posted by: Grom the Reflective   2024-02-04 05:50  

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