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China’s Population Only 600 to 800 million?
2024-12-31
I happened across this analysis last night, which responds to a comment yesterday from Fat Bob Elmuter5510, who wrote, China is going to re take these lands [Russia] and Putin is paving the way creating weakness.

https://x.com/KyivPost/status/1873653760947564823.
This one is for Rantburg’s numbers and analytical types. Enjoy!
[BattleswarmBlog] We’ve previously covered that China’s demographics are in severe decline and that China’s GDP may be overstated by 60%. Now a researcher says that China’s population could be overstated by 37-50%.

(Before we dig in, two caveats: First, the channel is Lei’s Real Talk, from someone who came over from communist China and was a stu7dnet in the U.S. when the Tiananmen Square, but she doesn’t use her full name, which she says is to protect her family back in China. Second, she’s using AI to answer some of her questions. Still, the math-based questions don’t seem conducive to the “AI hallucinations” we see elsewhere, but some caveat lictor seems in order.)

  • “We know China is facing a series of economic challenges. Weak consumer, confidence falling real estate prices, high debt, industrial overcapacity, sluggish exports, and so on and so forth. But the underlying issue of the faltering economy, in my opinion, is a severe population crisis.”

  • “China’s actual population is far below than the official figure of 1.4 billion.”

  • “I want to compare China and India’s population between the 30-year period from 1990 to 2020. Let’s also compare their average fertility rate between the two countries and their medium age.” If you run those very basic numbers, things don’t add up.

  • “In 1990, China’s population is over India is by about 270 million [1.14 billion vs. 870 million], and 30 years later China’s population is still over India by 30 million [1.41 billion vs. 1.38 billion].”

  • “However, if you look at the fertility rate, India’s average fertility rate [2.97%] during the 30 years years is so much higher than China’s [1.70].” All these are the official published rates.

  • “With that kind of fertility rate in India consistently over 30 years, India’s population should be larger than China’s. Mathematically it’s impossible that China’s population is still greater than India’s.”

  • I’m skipping over a detailed breakdown of the two country’s respective fertility rates by decades.

  • “I asked GPT to apply the fertility rates for each country and give me the total population in 2020 for India and China respectively, and this is the results it generate. In 2020 population, India’s population was 1.38 billion, China’s was only 890 million.” India’s number is off the official figure by 4%. China’s number is off by 37%, or 520 million people. And this is at a time when life expectancy for China has been increasing.

  • Analysis of various other population factor considerations snipped.

  • “I asked AI to recalculate everything by replacing the official fertility of 1.7 and 1.5 from the year to 2000 to 2010 replaced them with Dr. Yi Fuxian [University of Wisconsin Madison demographic researcher whose work we previously mentioned here] fertility assessment of 1.1. It came up with a shocking total population of 695 million, and that’s less than half of the announced population of 1.4 billion.”

  • We didn’t see a huge drop in economic output because China’s economy is investment driven.

  • “Population loss took place over 30 years, and particularly started since 2000, and this reduction in population didn’t show up as reduction in consumer spending until this generation reached the age of 18, or even older, when they started to spend money. So now we start to see the impact on consumer spending because there’s a time lag.

  • Plus Flu Manchu deaths.

  • “China suddenly saw a wave of kindergarten closures, so in some cases private kindergartens have been shrunk by 20% in some regions.”

  • “So for all these factors combined, I think China’s real population may be between 600 million and to 800 million.”

Given the GDP overstatement estimates, this enormous overstatement of China’s population seems plausible. It also makes all those wild claims of “China will soon overtake the US economically” look even more ridiculous.

China’s “one child per couple” policy will be seen by future generations as one of the greatest self-inflicted catastrophes in history.
Posted by:trailing wife

#6  AI = Artificial insanity
Posted by: Elmaper+McGurque1612   2024-12-31 22:49  

#5  I'm not confirming or disputing the stated facts and conclusions of this article, but relying on AI in such matters is a bad idea IMHO.

AI just isn't good with facts and prone to heavy hallucinations.

Making some basic assumptions and doing simple back of the envelope calculations would be far more reliable.
Posted by: Elmerert Hupens2660   2024-12-31 16:35  

#4  How did they come to increase their purchases of US Nation Debt from $105.6 Billion to $749.0++ Billion?

Because the Chinese play the long game, which includes increasing their control over other nations' or groups' economies.
Posted by: Mullah Richard   2024-12-31 08:33  

#3  Commies always overstate their numbers, performance and metrics.

We've had Commies stats here for the last four years. I'm not sure we're ready for the rectification of that in order to move forward. Cause our fiscally spendthrift addicted Left is going to fight to the death.
Posted by: Procopius2k   2024-12-31 08:11  

#2  
Just tossing it out there....

Interesting 40 years for CCP
Covid-19, Swine Flu, Bird Flu, Asian Flu, SARS, Avian Flu...
China demo's 100's of unused Apartment complexes ...etc etc etc

Question: If CCP is broke and underpopulated.
How did they come to increase their purchases of US Nation Debt from $105.6 Billion to $749.0++ Billion?
Posted by: NN2N1   2024-12-31 08:09  

#1  Commies always overstate their numbers, performance and metrics.

There are other ways to estimate a metric with a large disparity by looking at correlated metrics like food produced or consumed or single use essentials…. Sort of the same way the IRS catches business’ laundering money or cheating on their taxes.
Posted by: Airandee   2024-12-31 07:49  

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