Click the link, just let me get out of the way first!
My first thoughts:
I haven't heard of anyone complaining about being sent to jail over something the government heard through a wiretap.
We are protected against unreasonable searches and seizures.
This is a war.
It is reasonable to tap suspected terrorists' phones during a lawful war. It's reasonable to tap suspected terrorists' phones during peacetime, too.
See that big red button labeled "What Can You Do?" I didn't click on it, but I'll bet my last dollar it has something to do with the ACLU tapping into Liberal paranoia/naivete to solicit donations so they won't have to go out and find gainful employment, which would be difficult given they are a$$holes have a skill-set that most employers would find useless except maybe for being a Dell customer service representative.
It seems like these guys have chosen one political party over the other rather than to condemn a particular practice. Does this mean they lose any tax-protected status or other privileges they might enjoy?
Is it true that if I used my debit card to make a $0.01 donation that it would cost the ACLU $0.35? >:-}
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This is just the reality of the world we live in. Despite all their talk the Democratic leadership is for the most part supporting what has to be done to protect our safety. That said, it is entertaining to watch the far-left nuts twisting themselves in knots. With any luck they will support some nut-case independent candidate and split the Democratic Party's vote in 2008.
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anonymous5089: Thanks for those links. I've read them before - quite the eye-openers. The ACLU really does think the Constitution is a suicide pact.
I honestly cannot understand how someone could write that (and all of the replies in the comments) w/o realizing that he is a fool of the first order, and deserves to lie in the mud and be humbled.
And I would say the exact same thing if the president was a democrat. Even Clinton. Either one of them.
Even though President George W. Bush wasn't in town, more than 1,000 anti-war protesters marched by his family compound Saturday in Kennebunkport.
Activists from all over the country arrived by bus, bicycle and foot at a local school to begin a two-mile march to the Bush summer home at Walker's Point.
Along the way they pounded drums, chanted and carried signs and banners with slogans such as "Don't Pay for this War" and "Care for Vets." Some protesters called for Bush's impeachment, but others had more moderate messages of support for the troops but opposition to the war.
Democratic presidential hopeful Dennis Kucinich and Cindy Sheehan, who became an activist when she threatened to run over Casey with her car when he wanted to re-enlist after her son was killed in Iraq, spoke to the crowd.
Sheehan said it was energizing to be with people who want this war to end. Guessed 1000, based on the amount of trash and feces they left along the route.
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used to be a time when people protesting outside an empty house would feel embarrassment. I think it speaks less to lower societal standards than the lower standards of today's protestors, if that's possible. Shame and embarrassment do not appear to be in the "Democrat activist image". I would expect it's a genetic flaw - something in a twisted chromosome? Certainly, it's damaged lobes of the brain...
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Did they buy carbon offsets to lessen the effect of all these dorks burning fossil fuels to get there?
President Bush's top intelligence aide has confirmed that Iraqi terrorists have been captured coming into the United States from Mexico.
The confirmation comes from National Intelligence Director Mike McConnell, who talked about the situation in an interview with the El Paso Times recently.
"Coming up through the Mexican border is a path," McConnell said. "Now, are they doing it in great numbers? No, because we're finding them and we're identifying them and we've got watch lists and we're keeping them at bay."
But, he said, "There are numerous situations where people are alive today because we caught them (terrorists)."
Intelligence officials say the numbers and details of such situations are classified, but McConnell pointed as an example to Mahmoud Youssef Kourani, who entered the United States through Tijuana, Mexico, in 2001, and later pleaded guilty to helping raise money for Hezbollah, which has been designated by the U.S. government as a terrorist organization.
The goal, McConnell said, is for terrorists to gain admittance to the United States, and then produce "mass casualties."
"You've got committed leadership. You've got a place to train. They've got trainers, and they've got recruits," McConnell told the newspaper. "The key now is getting recruits in. So if your key is getting recruits in, how would you do that?"
McConnell's office did reveal some numbers, during fiscal 2006, there were 14 Iraqi nationals caught trying to enter the U.S. illegally, while so far in 2007, that number is 16.
"Now some we caught, some we didn't," McConnell told the newspaper. "The ones that get in what are they going to do? They're going to write home. So it's not rocket science; word will move around."
Also revealed was that the U.S. Customs and Border Protection intercepted 60 Iraqis crossing the nation's southwestern border in 2006 who were seeking asylum in the U.S., while that number so far in 2007 is 178.
The Times report said a U.S. intelligence analyst said there's been evidence that human smugglers, or coyotes, are telling Iraqis to ask for amnesty if they are caught.
The typical scenario is this: Forged documents are used to get an Iraqi into a country in South or Central America. Since travel from country to country is allowed without visas in many locations there, they work their way north to the U.S. border.
McConnell told the newspaper the numbers are classified, but there have been a relatively small number of people with known links to terrorist groups who have been caught at that point.
Kourani, for example, apparently paid a Mexican Consulate official in Lebanon $3,000 for a Mexican visa and then was smuggled into the United States in the trunk of a car.
He was sentenced to more than four years in prison after admitting he helped raise funds for Hezbollah.
When the newspaper asked U.S. Rep. Silvestre Reyes, D-Texas, of the U.S. House Intelligence Committee, about the situation, he said, "It's not something we would talk about."
"We have had intelligence about al-Qaida identifying Latin America as a potential or prospective area where they could come through, but frankly, I'm surprised that the director would make definitive statements like that because, even if it were true, you wouldn't want to publicize that," Reyes told the Times.
McConnell was senior vice president with Booz Allen Hamilton, focusing on intelligence and national security, before being appointed to his current post by Bush in February.
He previously was the director of the National Security Agency and served as a member of the Director of Central Intelligence senior leadership team before then.
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I neglected to mention how thousands of Americans are already being killed each year at the hands of Mexican illegal immigrants aliens. Quite obviously, if that death toll means nothing to our pols, how is a terrorist attack going to change anything? All that will make these money-grubs act is the threat of being voted out of office. Something that should happen to every single supporter of the failed immigration bill.
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We can seal the border to terrorists now, and worry about Mexicans later, because we can do something, and on the cheap now, that will stop terrorists in a week or two:
Pay Mexicans a bounty for them.
Anywhere from $100, to $50,000 for a real top of the line non-Mexican bad guy, paid to Mexicans for a phone call of where the non-Mexicans are crossing. In exchange, they get a seven digit code number. If whoever we arrest is a non-Mexican, they win. If we don't catch them, they don't get paid.
Up here, that much money is tiny, but down there it would be like winning the Powerball jackpot. No non-Mexican could get near the border without us finding out about it. Hell, even their own mules would take their money, and then turn them in--an old custom.
Best of all, it is so relatively inexpensive to do that the US government doesn't even have to be involved. An individual or a group could chip in and set it up. All they need is a phone number and some money, and to let the Mexicans know, and the tips will roll in.
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If the story is true (WND is wrong sometimes) and we ARE catching Iraqi terrorists entering through Mexico, then either:
1) a lot more are getting through uncaught, or
2) something like 'moose suggests IS going on, or
3) they're not actually terrorists, but ex-terrorists (e.g. Baathists), coming to the US because they can and it is far better than staying in Iraq.
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Zen, unfortunately, many. Then and only then will the "elites" see this is more important.
Unless the attack occurs on the Upper East Side of Manhattan or the Hamptons or Martha's Vineyard will the elites ever consider it a priority. Not until it is "Our Kind, Deah" who get their ox gored.
#7
they will never specify or quantify who or how many have been caught because it puts a face on the terror entrance. That would spur the American people to rise up and demand "where's the GODDAMN FENCE?"
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I think that Moose and Glenmore may be on to something. Could it be that we're purposefully leaving an obvious open door in place to draw the enemy to it, rather than another, less watched entry point?
#11
Get the Chinese to build a wall similar to the Great Wall. It'll be a tourist attraction for generations and stop the influx cold.
Demand actual cultural assimilation before anyone talks about increasing the number of legal immigrants. The multicultural mindset is half the problem.
A high-level meeting chaired by President General Pervez Musharraf at his camp office in Rawalpindi on Friday decided that former prime minister Nawaz Sharif and his brother Shahbaz Sharif, would be arrested if they returned to Pakistan, ARY television reported.
Quoting its sources, the channel said that the presidents constitutional experts and legal adviser told him the judiciary had become very aggressive and expressed their reservations over the judicial activism and the cases coming before the Supreme Court in the future. According to the channel, the meeting decided that the Sharif brothers would be arrested on their return and their pardoned sentences would be revived.
Agencies and Staff Report add: The meeting attended by Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz, PML President Chaudhry Shujaat, Attorney General Malik Qayyum, PMs Adviser Sharifuddin Pirzada, Information Minister Muhammad Ali Durrani and some close presidential aides also discussed the current political situation and expressed support to the proposals on political reconciliation between President Musharraf and the opposition parties.
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President General Pervez Musharraf on Friday told a group of FATA parliamentarians that army would be withdrawn from tribal areas after January 2008, sources said. Paramilitary forces including Frontier Constabulary (FC), Levies and Khasadars will take over the charge of tribal areas from military, which would be withdrawn after January 2008, the president told the FATA parliamentarians who called on him here at the camp office.
The parliamentarians assured Musharraf during the meeting that they would fully support him in his re-election bid.
He said paramilitary forces would be fully equipped and trained to take charge of the volatile area. He said that NWFP governor would take the FATA parliamentarians into confidence on deployment of traditional forces in place of a regular army. The president has also tasked the governor with consulting the parliamentarians and preparing a strategy so that the army should be called back from tribal areas, the sources said.
They said that nearly 100 FC platoons presently deployed out of NWFP would be sent back to the province and their movement had already started. The parliamentarians, including Senator Hamidullah Jan Afridi, Senator Hafiz Abdul Malik Qadri, MNA Munir Khan Orakzai, Federal Minister GG Jamal and Governor Ali Muhammad Jan Orakzai, assured Musharraf during the meeting that they would fully support him in his re-election bid from the sitting assemblies, said the sources.
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The government has rejected the phased release of 15 Frontier Corps jawans kidnapped by militants, and told the Mehsud peace jirga that it wanted the kidnappers to free all the hostages simultaneously.
South Waziristan Political Agent Hussainzada Khan conveyed the governments message to Member of the National Assembly Maulana Mairajuddin at a meeting in Wana on Friday. Mairajuddin, who belongs to the Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal (MMA), has been making efforts for the release of the abducted FC personnel. The MMA tribal leader told Daily Times that the government did not want the FC men to be released in phases.
The kidnappers agreed to release the hostages in phases a few days ago. Sources said the kidnappers had been demanding that the government release their accomplices arrested in Zhob on July 24, in exchange for the kidnapped FC men. Mairajuddin said he would raise the issue of the kidnapped FC men at a loya jirga of Mehsud tribes today (Saturday) at Ladah.
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The Iraqi List (IL) announced Friday it quitted the government of Prime Minister Nouri Al-Maliki seventeen days after it boycotted cabinet meetings. The decision to quit the government is a final one and there are no backpedaling on it, Iyad Jamal-Eddin, a leader of IL told KUNA here.
I'm hoping Verlaine could parse this for us...
A note on the decision will be tabled to Al-Maliki early this week, he pointed out. "The decision resulted from the government's failure to respond to our demands raised first in February. "The reasons behind the decision are the same as those behind our boycott of cabinet sessions since August 7.
"We reached a desperate situation in dealing with the government," Izzat Al-Shabandar, an IL MP, told KUNA. "All MPs from partners of the IL, except for the Communist Party of Iraq (CPI), are unanimous on the decision to withdraw from government," he underscored, adding that a note to this effect will be sent to the prime minister soon.
The IL attributed its decision to the government's disregard of demands included in two previous IL notes and the government's inability to improve performance. The IL parliamentarian ruled out the link between the timing of quitting the government, on one hand, and the coming visit of IL chief Iyad Allawi to the US and growing demands by the US Congress to change Al-Maliki's government, on the other. However he said the political atmosphere was promising. There are growing demands by Iraqi MPs as well to change the government of Al-Maliki who is no longer able to run the country's affairs.
Invited by some members of the US Congress, Allawi will visit Washington soon. The IL has 25 out of a total of 275 seats of parliament. Its decision to quit the government followed a similar decision made by the Iraqi National Accord, the third largest parliamentary bloc, which controls 44 seats. Out of 37 portfolios of Al-Maliki's cabinet the IL used to control five ministries namely: justice, science and technology, communications, human rights and the post of a minister of state.
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I think it's time to start putting pressure on them to get with the program. Not as separate political parties, but as a country. A little talk of pulling out might be just what they need to hear from Bush.
A former Arab MK accused of spying for Hizbullah during the Second Lebanon War last summer praised the guerrilla group Friday, saying it is now stronger than ever. Azmi Bishara, a once prominent Arab Knesset leader who has been on the run since June, made the comments during a tour of south Lebanon border villages, where he visited the graves of Lebanese war victims and met with their families.
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Ghazi Hamad, Hamas Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh's spokesman, resigned from his post on Friday morning, citing the Islamist organization's refusal to take the initiative in negotiating a deal with Fatah. Asharq Alawsat reported that Hamad was strongly opposed to events in Gaza and believed Hamas made numerous mistakes in the Strip. The London-based newspaper went on to say that Hamad believed Hamas needed to show more flexibility towards Fatah in order to "to get out of the trap."
Hamad served as Haniyeh's spokesman since the Hamas prime minister was appointed and had been one of the group's spokesmen for several years. Hamas spokesman Ayman Taha said that Hamad would continue to work in Haniyeh's office, albeit in a different capacity. Taha stressed that there was no connection between Hamad's decision to resign and his recent contacts with Fatah.
He sounds like too much of a free thinker to be a Hamassassin. He ends up dead in a ditch or in charge of the whole place in a month.
Hamad's replacement is expected to be Taher Nunu, who was Mahmoud Zahar's spokesman when Zahar served as Palestinian Authority foreign minister. Nunu recently stated that Hamas's military wing should be integrated into the Gaza police force.
Meanwhile, the Islamic Jihad's armed wing, the Al-Quds Brigades, declared that all its military activities, including Kassam rocket fire, were being coordinated with Hamas, Israel Radio reported. Al-Quds Brigades spokesman Abu Ahmed said the group could not decide on its own to stop or renew the rocket fire. In recent weeks, the Islamic Jihad has been launching increasingly large numbers of Kassam rockets into Israel while Hamas has mainly been firing mortar shells.
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A deal was reached with Islamic extremists holed up in a Palestinian refugee camp in northern Lebanon to allow their families to leave the besieged area, a Muslim clergyman and a senior military official said Friday.
Bad translation of the source documents. The actual agreement was for "a battalion of children, to be accompanied by an appropriate number of persons wearing burkas."
Sheik Mohammed al-Haj of the Paleo Scholars' Association said he was contacted Friday by Fatah al Islam spokesman Abu Salim Taha, requesting his mediation with the Lebanese army command for a truce to allow the remaining civilians most of them relatives of the fighters to leave the refugee camp. The Association has been mediating between the militants and the army since fighting broke out in the camp on May 20.
The senior military official confirmed that a deal has been reached with Fatah al Islam fighters to allow their civilian relatives to leave the camp. "There is an agreement that they (the families) come out today ... If they're being truthful, we are ready," he said, speaking on condition of anonymity according to military rules. "We have taken all the necessary arrangements," he added, declining to elaborate.
"Each kiddie or its guardian may carry personal sidearms and enough ammunition for the first week of school."
Witnesses near the Nahr el-Bared camp in north Lebanon said the army seemed to have halted its bombardment as of Friday morning, suggesting that a truce to evacuate the families may be in place. A number of Muslim sheiks from the Paleo Scholars' Association have gathered at the southern entrance to the camp from where the civilians were expected to emerge, they added.
For weeks, the army has been calling on the estimated 100 women and children still in the camp to leave, clearing the way for a final military assault to eradicate the remaining Fatah al Islam fighters there. In the last two weeks, the Lebanese army has augmented its months-old artillery bombardment of the camp with massive 1000-pound bombs dropped from helicopters, which may have prompted the fighters to ask for the truce.
The camp's more than 31,000 civilian residents fled in the first weeks of the fighting and the army estimates only 70 Fatah Islam fighters remain, down from 360 when the fighting began. The army has refused to halt its offensive until the militants completely surrender, while, until now, the Islamists have vowed to fight to the death.
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Double check anyone wearing a burkah.
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The U.N. Security Council voted unanimously Friday to extend the mandate of the 13,600-member U.N. peacekeeping force in Lebanon and called for a permanent cease-fire and long-term solution to last summer's Israel-Hezbollah war.
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Hezbollah lashed out Friday at Druze leader MP Walid Jumblatt accusing him of rejecting any settlement to the ongoing political crisis. Hezbollah, in a statement, defended its ally, Parliament Speaker Nabih Berri, who was accused by Jumblatt Wednesday of becoming a "mail box" for the militant Shiite party. "Mr. Jumblatt believes that (accepting) internal settlement is tantamount to treason," Hezbollah said. "We tell MP Jumblatt that Speaker Berri is a full partner in leading the resistance as well as in its accomplishments and victory, and he is a first class nationalist decision-maker and not a mail box for any body," the statement added.
Berri heads the AMAL movement, which is part of the Hezbollah-led opposition that seeks to topple Premier Fouad Siniora's Majority government that is backed by Jumblatt and the rest of the March 14 coalition. Jumblatt on Wednesday accused Berri of becoming a "mail box for Hassan Nasrallah."
"Unfortunately Berri has finished himself with his own hands," Jumblatt said in an interview with the youth supplement of the daily An Nahar. In 2005 Jumblatt was the leading supporter of Berri to be the speaker of the parliament and lobbied hard for him. Jumblatt lost faith in Berri after the resignation of the Shiite ministers from the cabinet. Jumblatt saw Berri transformed from being the leader of the Amal movement to becoming the rubber stamp of Hezbollah. Berri refused to convene the parliament ever since the Shiite Ministers resigned, despite pressure from several groups.
Berri's credibility suffered greatly during his November 2006 trip to Iran. He was asked right after the resignation of the Shiite ministers from the cabinet " if the cabinet was still constitutional " He responded by saying " of course it is " . He later , reportedly after pressure from Syria and Iran , retracted the statement and said the cabinet was unconstitutional .
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Treason? Hizbollah is mostly composed of Paleos; it also attracts Shiite militants/terrorists from the Persian Gulf region. What if Mexican illegals began referring to American citizens as "traitors."
Immigration by a disloyal minority can do nothing other than conduce social dissolution in the countries where the human pollutants migrate.
Free Patriotic Movement leader Gen. Michel Aoun criticized Lebanon's clergymen, including the Christian Maronite Patriarch and the Sunni Grand Mufti, for their "dreadful" silence regarding the heated political bickering, threatening that he would no longer listen to them.
Speaking to his supporters, Aoun demanded a response from deputy Saad Hariri's Al-Mustaqbal Movement as to whether the group supports partitioning Lebanon. "And if they are against partitioning, do they endorse a call by MP Walid Jumblatt and Lebanese Forces leader Samir Geagea which is aimed at disuniting Lebanon? Aoun asked. " Is this a Sunni policy?" He urged Hariri a swift response "because the situation is no longer bearable." Aoun assured Lebanon's Sunnis that "no one wants to wipe them out."
"This principle should be applied to everyone," he told fans who visited his residence at Rabieh on Thursday evening. "I will not ask whether or not Maronite Patriarch Nasrallah Sfeir is with or against this policy," Aoun went on. "He is free to voice his opinion or refrain (from expressing his opinion)."
"I will not ask the Grand Mufti (Sheikh Mohammed Qabbani for his opinion). I am not going to listen to clergymen who daily interfere in politics and give their views. But then again, their silence is dreadful," Aoun said. "Let it be known to everyone that from now on we will not hush up and we will not accept anyone to hide behind silence," Aoun threatened.
Addressing the pro-government camp, Aoun said: "They want partitioning, let it be. Why should we kill one another? Let us divide! They want unity? Unity cannot be established by (violent) means We do not dread any settlement. But we refuse to reach any deal through bloodshed."
Aoun's agreement with Hezbollah according to analysts is the main wedge that has weakened the Christian community by dividing it the right in the middle and has led to the current political crises in Lebanon. The agreement gave Hezbollah the Christian cover he needed to divide the country starting with the summer war and ending in the protests that paralyzed the country.
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Translated:
I'd kill my granny to be President.
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Riyadh-based Oukaz lashed out at the Syrian regime Tuesday accusing it of having plotted the assassination of Lebanese politicians starting with Druze leader Kamal Jumblatt. "For the last 30 years Syria has set up a clear-cut plan to systematically kill Lebanese leaders to incite strife among various Lebanese sects, and consequently reinforce its presence and role in Lebanon," the newspaper said
The Saudi daily has published in its Tuesday issue a special report from Beirut tackling the role of Syria in Lebanon since 1975. The daily described the current Syrian regime as "a regime of slaying and slaughter," and accused it of making use "of all possible means to restore its influence in Lebanon after their withdrawal in April 2005."
"The Syrian regime has long worked on inciting hatred and conflicts among the Lebanese and has currently created what could be labeled as 'death teams' to silence anyone who dares to speak against Syrian influence in Lebanon," Oukaz reported.
The daily blamed Syria for plotting all the assassinations of March 14 figure which took place following the assassination of former Premier Rafik Hariri. Oukaz also accused Syria of killing former presidents Bashir Gemayel and Rene Mouawad.
Tensions between Saudi Arabia and Syria escalated in the last week or so because of discord over Lebanon. Syrian Vice President Farouq al-Sharaa said last week the kingdom's regional influence was in a state of paralysis. Riyadh snapped back saying Damascus was trying to incite disorder and conflicts in the region.
Relations between the two countries deteriorated after the February 2005 Hariri assassination, which ultimately led to Syria's withdrawal of its troops from Lebanon after a three-decade military presence. "The Syrian regime has brought nothing but harm to the Lebanese as well as the Palestinians in Lebanon; fueling inter-Lebanese and Lebanese-Palestinian skirmishes in an attempt to boost its role in Lebanon," the daily said.
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Unbelievable.
Despite what Lewis might believe, this actually is an open call for sedition against the legitimate government of the USA.
Of course, he's so ridiculously out of line on the issue of the JCoS arresting the POTUS or at least denying his CIC roll that he probably doesn't have a clue that's he actually has called for sedition.
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Sounds like a not well thought out idea. I hear the military are mostly Republicans and, gasp, gun friendly.
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gotta love the thought "train": If not Bush(!), then Cheney, military will then "return to barracks". Liberal pieces of shit Progressive Citizens assume power!
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The lefties have been warning us that under the Bushitler Regime(tm) we would have martial law. Kinda seems like cheating to actively campaign for it, though.
A charter school has been ordered to temporarily suspend Hebrew classes while officials try to determine whether teachers are advocating the Jewish faith.
Broward Schools Superintendent James Notter sent a letter to officials at the Ben Gamla Charter School in Hollywood on Wednesday advising them to halt Hebrew classes until the school board could further examine the curriculum.
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According to Kabbalistic legend, the Hebrew language is inextricably interwoven with the Jewish faith. Go ahead, ban it right along with how Arabic is the sole and proper language of the Koran. No? THEN FUCK OFF!
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Every Muslim text includes a reference to Muhammed as the "last prophet." Ergo: they negate ALL other faiths. In fact, one Muslim cult - Ahmadiyyah - with dogma that allows for belief that the nominal Muslim deity communicates to post Muhammed humans, is banned throughout the Muslim primitivocracies. The Paki constitution has a provision, denouncing the Ahmadiyyahs as a "non-Muslim minority." Real tolerance! They should get, what they give us.
1) There's no mention of any kind of Islamic "problem" with the school, so what's up with the anti-Muslim stuff? Please keep it on topic.
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2) If there is actual religious teaching going on, paid for by taxpayer dollars, that's a big negatory, regardless of what faith is being taught.
It can a thin line, and based on the info in the article I don't know where to draw it in this specific case. I give credit to the people running the school who are trying to encourage the study of Hebrew and yet stay within the laws governing a charter school.
If the parents want religious instruction during the school day, that's perfectly ok. They just don't have the right to have it funded with taxpayer dollars.
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SB, without likely additional factors not mentioned in the article, in principle, I agree with you.
If the school decides to fight the ruling, they'd have ample precedent established by the US 9th circuit court of appeals, as mentioned at this link (the Supremes recently denied cert for the appeal against the 9th's ruling).
1. "She BIN had dat han'-made dress" (SE: She's had that hand-made dress for a long time, and still does.)
2. "Befo' you know it, he be done aced de tesses." (SE Before you know it, he will have already aced the tests.)
3. "Ah 'on know what homey be doin." (SE: I don't know what my friend is usually doing.)
AAVE: "Can't nobody tink de way he do." (SE: Nobody can think the way he does.)
4. "I ast Ruf could she bring it ovah to Tom crib." (SE: I asked Ruth if/whether she could bring it over to Tom's place.)
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Interesting that the scrutiny here seemed to have begun from within the school (probably from some anti-Semite) but the so called Arabic school in NYC (which is more likely a madrassa and certainly had an Islamic component) had no such scrutiny from within.
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I'm hoping trailing wife might please weigh in on this topic and provide us with some insights regarding whether it is possible to properly teach Hebrew without making any allusions to or transmission of knowledge about Judaism.
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Zenster: Hebrew is a modern language (once again), and can easily be taught without any reference whatsoever to the Jewish religion or even to Israel as a Jewish nation. There are 2000 years worth of secular literary works -- fiction, poetry, the various sciences, philosophy, history -- that can be studied once a higher level of language fluency has been acquired, just as is available to serious students of French or Chinese. On the religious side, the fact that some of the books of the New Testament were clearly originally written in Hebrew or Aramaic, or were written in Greek by native Aramaic speakers, allows for discussion even of the religious side of the language taking a purely Jewish approach. Even some of the literature of the Old Testament, say the Song of Songs, can be addressed as a beautiful example of a Middle Eastern wedding song, still composed and sung by Muslims in the Arab world today.
A Christian televangelist in Florida who harshly criticizes Islam and other religions said Friday that his late-night program is being pulled off the air because of pressure from a Muslim group. Earlier this month, officials from the Council on American Islamic Relations wrote a letter to the TV station's owners asking for an investigation of the show it broadcasts, "Live Prayer with Bill Keller."
In a May 2 broadcast, the televangelist said Islam was a "1,400-year-old lie from the pits of hell" and called the Prophet Mohammed a "murdering pedophile." He also called the Quran a "book of fables and a book of lies."
Station manager Laura Caruso of WTOG, which airs the show, said the decision to end Keller's contract was a programming one, made by station executives and the televangelist.
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Yea sure it was honey, you got a law suit threat.
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In a May 2 broadcast, the televangelist said Islam was a "1,400-year-old lie from the pits of hell" and called the Prophet Mohammed a "murdering pedophile." He also called the Quran a "book of fables and a book of lies."
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Mixed feelings here, most televangelists are crap, but the muslims are greater crap.
Posted by: Redneck Jim ||
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Even televangelists are right once in a while.
said Islam was a "1,400-year-old lie from the pits of hell" and called the Prophet Mohammed a "murdering pedophile." He also called the Quran a "book of fables and a book of lies."
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You always have the right to turn off the television if it offends you. You do NOT have the right to shut down the television station because it broadcasts something that offends you. That's the difference CAIR refuses to acknowledge. CAIR should be shut down and all its members expelled from the United States for undermining the Constitution and the rule of civil law.
Posted by: Old Patriot ||
08/25/2007 15:30 Comments ||
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I suppose the owners of the station are free to broadcast or not broadcast whatever they want. But if they were smart they would sit back for a while and watch to see if their ratings jump when people find out they are broadcasting the truth. I mean, as long as CAIR is willing to give them the free publicity this guy Bill Keller could develop quite a following.
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You can believe that Muhammed: concocted the Koran; received the Koran through an angel; there is insufficient evidence to decide the issue of whether or not he was truthful. You CANNOT be a Christian, and believe that the Koran is a revealed document. Keller is very bright - I know about the 3 years in federal lockup - and he attacks all sects of Islam, Kabballah and liberal Christianity. I have found that he argues from conviction, and is open to allowing others to test his faith. Muslims deny: the crucifixion; the ressurection; the record of miracles; the divinity of Jesus Christ; the finality of the Christian prophecy and the inevitabilty of prophetic narrative. Do we silence Muslim imams because Christians find their denials to be abhorrent?
Can Muslims deny Muhammed's pedophilic tendencies? Bukhari and al-Tabari both record his marriage to a 6 year old girl, and the consummation of same when the "prophet" was 55. Was Muhammed a murderer? The Hadith notes only 1 killing attributed to Muhammed, and that was of a prisoner of war. Ergo: the "prophet" of Islam was a "murdering pedophile." Since the Koran is a hearsay document, calling it a "lie" is proper.
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If eliminating Islam requires putting up with televangelist slimeballs, I'm down with that. At least they aren't out to nuke us all.
Check-out that last chapter.
Posted by: Thomas Woof ||
08/25/2007 19:42 Comments ||
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Check-out that last chapter.
Fear not, Thomas Woof. I've had the occasional disturbing conversation about Revelations with Christian fundamentalists who would like nothing more than have Armageddon happen tomorrow. Fortunately, the vast majority of Christians I know understand thatunlike certain Persian fanatics and their 12th imamthey are not supposed to actively bring about the End of Days and instead realize it is either allegorical or something that will be invoked by malign entities.
Old Patriot cuts to the chase on this one. Americans have the right to simply remove their support from a concept by boycotting it. Muslims seek to materially excise all contrary, antagonistic or competing thought models. CAIR needs to be banned, its stateside operations shut down, all of its executive directors imprisoned or deported and have its membership placed under 24/7/365 surveillance.
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