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Viewpoint: Is Le Pen ruling France?
Posted by: Uloling Elmeatch9213 || 11/13/2005 08:40 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  You don't have to agree with all his politics to wish some more Frenchmen had his 'spine'.
Posted by: Glenmore || 11/13/2005 10:26 Comments || Top||

#2  He should call for a national non-military conscription, though under the control of the military, and under military discipline.

This would solve several problems at once. First of all, it would end unemployment. Any unemployed young man would be required to "serve". They would be issued uniforms and sent out into work camps in the countryside to work for their, and their families' welfare payments.

They could perform massive, labor-intensive public reclamation projects, like the US CCC during the depression.

And since this may go on for years, the French government could use the time to 'gentrify' and integrate the ghettos, abolishing them as strongpoints of immigrants. The best workers could be subcontracted for a probationary period to employers, and if they performed well, then they would be allowed back into society.

They would be released at the age of 30, or when they had built up enough capital to support themselves and their families out of the ghettos.

Otherwise, the quickest way out would be to agree to emigration from France to any non-European destination that would accept them.

The big advantages of this would be that it would get them off the streets, put them under control and discipline, train them to work hard, reduce their birth rate, get them jobs--with many joining the military, eliminate the ghettos, and integrate them into society; or get them out of the country.

It would cost about the same as imprisonment, perhaps less, and it would benefit society and them in many ways. Ironically, only in a situation like now, with an outsider like le Pen calling the shots, could such a program work.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 11/13/2005 11:35 Comments || Top||

#3  Europe: Islam or Fascism?
Posted by: gromgoru || 11/13/2005 15:19 Comments || Top||

#4  "Is Le Pen ruling France?"

If things keep going the way they have, he will be.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 11/13/2005 15:55 Comments || Top||

#5  It's going to take a complete cessation of immigration and massive deportations of Muslims back to country of origin to even hope to bring this back under control. There will also be a lot of dead rioters and police. The Muzzies are making their move and so far it looks like the French are losing the fight. France is in a fight for her life and you can bet the Muzzies realize it even if the French (with the exception of Le Pen) don't. If the violence has slowed now, it's not a cessation, it's a hudna. Look for the trouble to break out with greater severity and in more places next time.
Posted by: mac || 11/13/2005 18:08 Comments || Top||


French Riots: An Everyday Frenchmans Perspective - Must Read!
I came upon this from the Command Post. It's a guy in France telling it like it is - his country is being shafted by a Disconnected Elitist Political Class, a Chattering Class that is blind to the destruction being wrought by the policies of the political class and their own Gramscian, Socialist bullshit and the poor sods that end up paying the price when Governments get lousy and the Middle Class are into navel-gazing in a big way.

There's also talk of Aliens...


It seems that in USA, people are misinformed about the spread of the riots. let me give you a piece of enlightenment about them.
Muslim riots happened in areas mostly populated by Muslim immigrants (up to 80%).
The riots were contained in those areas by a police which were conscious of not committing any flaw that was expected by the Mollas to upsurge all the Muslim people.

Most of the rioters were known by the police for many acts of serious delinquency .Some spent few years in jails others were probably relaxed by a Justice poisoned by Marxists ( Syndicat de la Magistrature - union of leftist lawers ) .In my opinion , those gangsters were monitored by the Mollas who pushed them to provoke the authorities , expecting any flaws that could be used to upsurge the whole Muslim Mass.

Those Muslim bastards never come and put the mess in French countryside villages where most of people are deer-hunters and have hunting guns. Should they do it, be sure that they will be welcome by the same kind of "welcoming committee " that in any USA village. They know it.

Unfortunately, these riots didn't spread in well-standard living areas where the so-called "bobo" live. Should it happen , that it would wake them up from their mental anesthesia.

France people can be divided in 4 categories:
The Politicians, the " BOBO ", the French popular Mass and the aliens.

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There's more, much more at the link.
Posted by: Tony (UK) || 11/13/2005 04:37 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Note the allusion to 'this wouldn't happen in US 'red states'. Interesting times indeed!
Posted by: phil_b || 11/13/2005 7:50 Comments || Top||

#2  Phil, he didn't use the term "Red States" that's entirely your addition.
He wrote "Villages" that's an entirely different thing, it includes ALL "Small Towns" regardless of Your percieved, and implied "State Color."

Stick your bias up your own ass.
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 11/13/2005 10:44 Comments || Top||

#3  We all have our bobos...

" "bobo" means bourgeois-boheme ( happy-go-lucky upper middle class) .This degenerate upper middle class controls nearly everything : education, literature, media, justice ..They are poisoned by utopist ideas ( "everybody is nice, peace and love , multiculturalism , world is a village ") and have set a dictatorship of thoughts in France .They believe that their extremely idiot thoughts is well-thinking ("intellectuel")."

"They enjoy a good living and can't (or doesn't want) see reality .All upper middle class in Europe have the same disease."
Posted by: Darrell || 11/13/2005 10:57 Comments || Top||

#4  phil_b:
State color has nothing to do with it. I live in Pennsylvania, currently a 'blue state' and I guarantee that we have more armed deer hunters here than just about any 'red state' and many more villages here that those Muslim terrorists would not find a warm welcome. In fact we had more Bush voters here in 2004 than every 'red state' except Texas and Florida.
Be careful who you p**s off. It may be friends you might need later.

Posted by: Nimrod || 11/13/2005 11:19 Comments || Top||

#5  Well said, Nimrod
Posted by: mac || 11/13/2005 11:27 Comments || Top||

#6  I think Simon has hit the nail on the proverbial head. What distinguishes his analysis of the situation from the talking heads that permeate the media is a distinct tone of brutal honesty. He says a lot of "un-PC" things, but they are entirely too true. Only a fool would fail to acknowledge the social, racial, and economic tributaries feeding the river of unrest now swelling over the banks of the Seine. Yet as Simon has accurately pointed out, the REAL problem is first and foremost a religious one. And the problem is Islam. Or more accurately radical, extremist Islam.

It's my belief that the only effective solution must come from within the Muslim world, itself. Only when the moderate Muslim community takes it upon themselves to vocally speak out against radical Islam and to back their words with action, will we see any genuine improvement.
Posted by: eltoroverde || 11/13/2005 12:03 Comments || Top||

#7  Bobo is French for limousine liberals except they are far more to the left of and more moonbaty than your liberals.
Posted by: JFM || 11/13/2005 13:23 Comments || Top||

#8  This is a good read. Nice to hear this perspective.

Don't make the mistake of thinking all educated middle class people are bobos here in the US. It's not the same at all. We don't have a "class system" here in the USA that is hard wired like they do in France, Europe and also Asia.

As far as a change comming from with in the Muslim world I am listening but not hearing anything. I just don't think it is going to happen. That means tears, pain and death to some folk at some time in the future. Civilizations are grinding together like tectonic plates. The stress will be relived and catastrophic damage will occur.
Posted by: Sock Puppet O´ Doom || 11/13/2005 13:49 Comments || Top||

#9  No, we're not all bobos here in the U.S. middle class, but I can easily name quite a few bobos who I know.

"We don't have a 'class system' here in the USA that is hard wired like they do in France, Europe and also Asia."
Oh, we do, we are just a little more PC about it. Who mows your lawn, who collects your trash, and who does your dry cleaning? Did their kids go to the same colleges as yours? And would Kennedy or Kerry or Bush or Cheney ever want to have dinner with you? Did their kids go to the same colleges as yours?
Posted by: Darrell || 11/13/2005 14:12 Comments || Top||

#10  Darrell I treat all those people with respect for the hard work they do. I don't look down on them at all I don't discriminate aginst them and their kids. Kids who I hope will join the ranks of the upper class. In fact I am rooting for them to do so. And Yes they do go to the same schools as my kid did becuse we were not alway middle class.

This town I am in now is so small there is no choice. They all go to the same schools.
Posted by: Sock Puppet O´ Doom || 11/13/2005 14:31 Comments || Top||

#11  All "their kids" and "your kids" can belong to the same club - the United States Marines. Except the high and the mighty would never allow their children to enlist. Too bad. There is not a more egalatarian institution in the world.

Gee...did I use that 25-cent word correctly? I meant "everybody is the same".
Posted by: Bobby || 11/13/2005 15:09 Comments || Top||

#12  And BTW, those of you so hard on ol' Phil_B - If you look at the results of the last election by county, you know we have Blue Cities and Red everything-else. Philly carried PA, Chicago carried IL, LA and SF carried Caliphornia, etc.
Posted by: Bobby || 11/13/2005 15:12 Comments || Top||

#13  I disagree completely, Darrell. Especially today, with so many outer suburbs being built in what until recently were corn fields, and after decades of affirmative action bussing. The schools the trailing daughters go to has everything from multi-generation welfare families (both black and white) to upper middle class Indians... not to mention the original white Baptist and Catholic farmers' kids, and the Hispanic kids, both legal and illegal.

Not to mention that a startlingly high percentage of students at Harvard and other Ivy League schools are there on scholarships -- to help maintain the calibre of the student body. ;-) Nowadays there would have been no room for a John F. Kerry, legacy or not.
Posted by: trailing wife || 11/13/2005 15:53 Comments || Top||

#14  SPoD, just because you respect them doesn't change the class problem. I respect my garbage collector even more than some upper middle class people I know, but that won't get his kids into the colleges their kids will attend.
Posted by: Darrell || 11/13/2005 15:57 Comments || Top||

#15  It's my belief that the only effective solution must come from within the Muslim world, itself. Only when the moderate Muslim community takes it upon themselves to vocally speak out against radical Islam and to back their words with action, will we see any genuine improvement.

I could not agree more. So, etv, how to explain the thundering silence emanating from Islam in general?

As far as a change comming from with in the Muslim world I am listening but not hearing anything. I just don't think it is going to happen. That means tears, pain and death to some folk at some time in the future. Civilizations are grinding together like tectonic plates. The stress will be relived and catastrophic damage will occur.

Agreed, SPOD. Only when jihadist imams discover that the "grinding" sound they're hearing is coming from their own bones being pulverized into dust, will anything change. If Muslims refuse to comprehend how such hate mongers must be boycotted, even at the cost of missing daily prayers, then they will needs be immolated along with their jihadist betrayers.

At some point, individual thought and personal responsibility will have to outweigh blind adherence to religious tradition. If a majority of Muslims cannot grasp the importance of boycotting and exposing corrupt leadership, then they become part of the problem and exit all active participation in the solution.
Posted by: Zenster || 11/13/2005 16:26 Comments || Top||

#16  I think I may have been misinterpreted. I took 'villages' to mean something like the UK term 'middle England'. Meaning where ordinary un-PC Frenchmen live, rather than specifically a rural settlement. Maybe, I should have used 'flyover country' or 'heartland' instead of 'red states'. Remember I'm not an American.

And this was a reference to the French acting like Americans by doing something about Muslim rioters rather than leaving it to the state - the 'normal French reaction.

Should they do it, be sure that they will be welcome by the same kind of "welcoming committee " that in any USA village.

Otherwise, I'm not exactly clear why people got so excited. I thought it interesting the writer was predicting (hoping?) the French would become more like Americans or at least what he perceived Americans to be like.
Posted by: phil_b || 11/13/2005 17:00 Comments || Top||

#17  bobo" means bourgeois-boheme ( happy-go-lucky upper middle class) .This degenerate upper middle ..They are poisoned by utopist ideas ( "everybody is nice, peace and love , multiculturalism , world is a village ") and They believe that their extremely idiot thoughts is well-thinking ("intellectuel")." "They enjoy a good living and can't (or doesn't want) see reality .All upper middle class in Europe have the same disease."

Wow! Thanks for the new word! So descriptive! So true.

I gotta go with Darrell in this one, cause these are the people I know and know well. Very nice, well meaning, have theater tickets, scour the week-end sections and love to talk about their travel. They have no reason to bother themselves with getting in touch....icky. The group think is stifling. They think themselves at one with their gardeners and maids because they support welfare programs and affirmative action - but their maids and gardeners just think they are spoiled and out of touch.

I think it depends on where you live. If you live in along the coast in California, or inside the beltway, bobos are your friends and neighbors. Happy go lucky... talking of serious dark subjects is forbidden, unless you are bashing Bush.

If you live, in say, Idaho or Kansas, or even blue states, but not the snot-blue areas, then I agree with SPOD.

But we have our bobos. Trust me - I suffer them daily.
Posted by: 2b || 11/13/2005 17:55 Comments || Top||

#18  Those Muslim bastards never come and put the mess in French countryside villages where most of people are deer-hunters and have hunting guns.

Solution found. "It takes a village."
Posted by: Besoeker || 11/13/2005 18:40 Comments || Top||

#19  Guys - I think we're all in agreement here.

But please, if you've not read the whole thing, do it - it's a real eye-opener.

Here's a French guy who is sick and tired of his country being sold out by Elitist politicos and the 'intelligentsia' to a bunch of people who don't know nor care about his country. There's no American-bashing in his article. He's one of the good guys.
Posted by: Tony (UK) || 11/13/2005 19:27 Comments || Top||

#20  The Euros are getting fed up with the Frogs now also according to No Pasaran now that their social model is on the ropes. Let's hope Blair takes advantage of the opportunity to end CAP and make the EU a force for positive change into the future.
Posted by: Uneath Grineque4114 || 11/13/2005 19:37 Comments || Top||

#21  phil_b, I totally agree with what you've written - I think people saw 'Red States' and assumed the worst.

I re-iterate what I wrote as the preamble to this post;


It's a guy in France telling it like it is - his country is being shafted by a Disconnected Elitist Political Class, a Chattering Class that is blind to the destruction being wrought by the policies of the political class and their own Gramscian, Socialist bullshit and the poor sods that end up paying the price when Governments get lousy and the Middle Class are into navel-gazing in a big way.


That could be a description of many countries - my own included.
Posted by: Tony (UK) || 11/13/2005 19:55 Comments || Top||

#22  I think we are all pretty much in agreement and as for myself, I don't think that he was America bashing. I was just jumping into the side tent re: our own bobos here in the USA. SPOD made a good point not to assume all upper middle class are bobos, cause many are not. But many are. I just love the definition Bobos, because JFM described my neighbors and (some of) my family members to a T.
Posted by: 2b || 11/13/2005 20:27 Comments || Top||

#23  There is a tea with tapioca called BOBO
Bo Bo Tea

BOBO in a can

SO a BOBO class would be a class with tapioca for brains..
Posted by: 3dc || 11/13/2005 20:38 Comments || Top||

#24  #16: I think I may have been misinterpreted. I took 'villages' to mean something like the UK term 'middle England.' Meaning where ordinary un-PC Frenchmen live, rather than specifically a rural settlement. Maybe, I should have used 'flyover country' or 'heartland' instead of 'red states'. Remember I'm not an American.

Ah, "Not an American" that explains much, you used a Political term (Red States, meaning voted Republican) incorrectly, thinking it was simply a geographical reference (Nope) and didn't understand the land mine you stepped on.

The wording came across as "The Republican Thugs would respond in this way." (Implication, that "Reasonable" Americans (Democrats) would not respond with force.)

Villages directly translates (To Americans) as "Very Small Towns." Think of "Villages" as Towns of 100 people or less, and you're pretty close to the meaning.

My apologies, as a non-american, you're excused from knowing "Americanisms"
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 11/13/2005 23:22 Comments || Top||

#25  Now just why did my response to post #16 change the wording of post #23 instead of being posted correctly as post #24?

Moderator? Help please.
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 11/13/2005 23:30 Comments || Top||


In My World: The French Are Revolting
In which Frank J solves the trouble with France in one easy phone call...
Posted by: Seafarious || 11/13/2005 01:26 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


Home Front: WoT
The Physics and Chemistry of the Collapse of the World Trade Buildings
According to a report in the deseretnews.com (Salt Lake City, Utah), Steven E. Jones, a professor in the Department of Physics and Astronomy at Brigham Young University, stated that, “The physics of 9/11 — including how fast and symmetrically one of the World Trade Center buildings fell — prove that official explanations of the collapses are wrong.”

In a paper accepted for peer-reviewed publication next year and currently online Jones, calls “for a serious investigation of the hypothesis that WTC 7 and the Twin Towers were brought down, not just by damage and fires, but through the use of pre-positioned explosives. I consider the official FEMA, NIST, and 9-11 Commission reports that fires plus damage alone caused complete collapses of all three buildings. And I present evidence for the explosive-demolition hypothesis, which is suggested by the available data, testable and falsifiable, and yet has not been analyzed in any of the reports funded by the US government.”

I've got a cold and I'm slightly drunk, so I'm not going to expound in detail. But:
  • I'm sure this kind of stuff will keep popping up for years.
  • All contrarian interpretations are not valid.
  • All items are not evidence.
  • All conversations are not necessarily indicative of conspiracies.
  • All motives are not sinister.
  • All coincidences are not unlikely.
  • Have it it, guys.
    Posted by: willtotruth || 11/13/2005 19:16 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

    #1  We should get this guy working on the location of the second shooter on the grassy knoll based on the balistics.
    Posted by: Clereting Hupogum1920 || 11/13/2005 21:00 Comments || Top||

    #2  Physicists don't make good structural engineers. There's a reason we have specialized courses for those folks.
    Posted by: Robert Crawford || 11/13/2005 21:07 Comments || Top||

    #3  once again, this should STFU Dr. Jones: fire-proofing of high rise steel and concrete structures accounts for normal combustible loads (furnishings, paper, etc...). Which are also capably fought by most sprinkler systems. Nobody anticipated a full airliners' fuel load and the intense heat it produced. Steel stresses in an elastic (recovers after the stress is gone) and plastic (permanent deformation and loss of strength) range. The application of that much heat alters the range of strength downward, extending the plastic range, leading to catastrophic failure and subsequent impacting as the floors above pancaked.



    Engineering Materials 101, right, AP? Dr. Jones needs to retire or have his credentials questioned....he's obviously incompetent or a lunatic, and shouldn't be teaching physics
    Posted by: Frank G || 11/13/2005 21:44 Comments || Top||

    #4  What's more, as the heated sections of the structure are expanding but the ends of the structure are not expanding at that rate, it creates a focal point where the structure will tend to bend outward, especially in a structure like the WTC towers which were essentially tubelike metal lattices.

    (Disclaimer: I'm a former undergrad physics student who intends to return and study materials engineering. I'd rather y'all not tar all physicists by association with Dr. Jones; there are some who do study materials and metallurgy and whatnot along the way...)

    Anyway, guy named Jones, at BYU... this is pinging on some old neurons. Wasn't he involved in the great Cold Fusion Fracas?
    Posted by: Phil || 11/13/2005 22:00 Comments || Top||

    #5  no tarring - my minor was Radiation Physics at San Diego State. My mentor was Lester Skolil - google him and you'll see I have (deservedly) a lot of respect for my betters in Physics...just not Dr. Jones
    Posted by: Frank G || 11/13/2005 22:05 Comments || Top||

    #6  Oh, a couple of side comments:

    * "Peer review," I have heard, doesn't _always_ mean what everyone thinks it means; it isn't an endorsement of infallability, or anything like that. I could mean "we handed it to some people and they couldn't find any mistakes;" they may not have even been in the right area of specialty.

    * Tenure makes it harder to fire screwball professors.
    Posted by: Phil || 11/13/2005 22:07 Comments || Top||

    #7  Finally, I just skimmed the abstract, and found several contradictions. He says everything was melted after the collapse, which was only possible with thermite (although if so and the paper/fuel fires weren't doing anything it would have taken a LOT of thermite to have melted a significant fraction of the steel frame) but then quotes people saying the frame wasn't exposed to that much heat...

    (and glowing-red hot metal isn't necessarily _molten_ metal! _Molten_ is a different color, much hotter than that!)

    (And you don't need to heat stuff to molten to get it to lose its strength, and even less than that if you're also relying on thermal stress.)

    It's not a perfect book, but I would suggest for an understanding of nanoscale material science at that level _Why Things Break: Understanding The World By The Way It Comes Apart_.
    Posted by: Phil || 11/13/2005 22:14 Comments || Top||

    #8  ALSO, in the abstract he's pointing at what he thinks are "explosions" that _aren't_ in the area of collapse, and wouldn't _be_ needed in order for the plot to work, if there was one:

    Once the first pancake starts, there's a cascade failure. You don't need to blow up anything _under_ the pancake, it'll die soon enough as the rest of the building falls on it.
    Posted by: Phil || 11/13/2005 22:16 Comments || Top||

    #9  This is the same guy who wrote an article in Sci Am, July 1987, titled "Cold Nuclear Fusion". He was working on muon catalyzed fusion, and peer reviewed Pons and Fleischmann's work. He was in the middle of the rush to publication controversy, because he and Pons/Fleischmann had agreed to publish on the same day. Jones is a serious scientist, but no stranger to controversy.

    The online paper makes interesting reading, with some real eye-buggers:


    Thus, squibs as observed during the collapse of WTC 7 going up the side of the building in rapid sequence provide additional significant evidence for the use of pre-placed explosives. Regarding this highly-secure building, a NY Times article entitled “Secretive C.I.A. Site in New York was Destroyed on Sept. 11,” provides an intriguing puzzle piece:

    [...]

    I presented my objections to the “official” theory at a seminar at BYU on September 22, 2005, to about sixty people. I also showed evidence and scientific arguments for the explosive demolition theory. In attendance were faculty from Physics, Mechanical Engineering, Civil Engineering, Electrical Engineering, Psychology, Geology, and Mathematics – and perhaps other departments as I did not recognize all of the people present. Two local universities were represented (BYU and Utah Valley State College).

    The discussion was vigorous and lasted nearly two hours. It ended only when a university class needed the room. After presenting the material summarized here, including actually looking at and discussing the collapses of WTC 7 and the Towers, all except one attendee agreed (by hand-vote) that further investigation of the WTC collapses was called for. The next day, the dissenting professor said he had further thought about it and now agreed that more investigation was needed. He joined the others in hoping that the 6,899 photographs and 6,977 segments of video footage held by NIST plus others held by the FBI would be released for independent scrutiny; photos largely from private photographers (NIST, 2005, p. 81). We call for the release of these data to a cross-disciplinary, preferably international team of scientists and engineers.

    [...]

    Remarkably, the explosive demolition hypothesis accounts for all the available data rather easily. The core columns on lower floors are cut using explosives, near-simultaneously, along with explosives detonated up higher so that gravity acting on now-unsupported floors helps bring down the buildings quickly. The collapses are thus symmetrical, rapid and complete, with accompanying squibs -- really very standard stuff for demolition experts. Thermite (whose end product is molten iron) used on some of the steel beams readily accounts for the molten metal which then pooled beneath the rubble piles.

    I believe this is a straightforward hypothesis, much more probable than the official hypothesis. It deserves scientific scrutiny, beyond what I have been able to outline in this treatise. It is quite plausible that explosives were pre-planted in all three buildings, and set off after the two plane crashes – which were actually a diversion tactic. The science is sound. The implications are paradigm-shifting: Muslims are (probably) not to blame for bringing down the WTC buildings after all.

    [...]

    None of the government-funded studies have provided serious analyses of the explosive demolition hypothesis at all. Until the above steps are taken, the case for accusing ill-trained Muslims of causing all the destruction on 9-11-01 is far from compelling. It just does not add up.

    And that fact should be of great concern to Americans and to all those threatened by American military and security units in the wake of the 9-11 events (Ryan, 2004). Use of powerful, pre-positioned explosives in the WTC buildings would imply an “inside job” (Griffin, 2004, chapter 2). Clearly, we must find out what really caused the WTC skyscrapers to collapse as they did.


    Gotta go watch that WTC 7 video....

    This oughta get things rolling again.
    Posted by: KBK || 11/13/2005 22:28 Comments || Top||

    #10  Pancake failure. Several parking garages/apartments going up too quickly.

    Physicist who hasn't seen a pancake failure? Worthless.
    Posted by: Bobby || 11/13/2005 22:31 Comments || Top||


    Iraq: The Way Forward Series
    If you haven't read this, you probably should. If only to read how Robert Fisk thinks we should invite Syria and Iran to help us run Iraq, and that he never reads blogs or even uses the internet.
    Posted by: phil_b || 11/13/2005 07:59 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

    #1  Fisk. The man deserves to be a verb for demonstrating idiotic blather. Syria and Iran. Right. About halfway Fish states we're imperial, building an empire, but just don't know it, poor doofuses us. About 2/3 of the way through, when he says we will, apparently, withdraw inward when we leave Iraq - and leave Australia all alone in the Pacific to deal with things, I presume he sees a Dhimmidonk Prez after Bush... Well, that drained my suffer the fools reservoir, so I fell on my sword keyboard.

    Paraphrasing: We have to leave, we will leave, but we can't leave. It takes a speshul kind of short-bus stupid for him to believe he has grasped all there is to grasp and that this statement sums up Iraq. I think he has a firm grip on the longest hair of the tip of the tail of the elephant and presumes to be able to describe the entire beast from it. What an embarrassment for the Independent to employ such a toolfool.

    West correctly focuses on the real problems, the jihadis (of course) and the Sunnis / Ba'athists - who can't quite grasp that they aren't running anything, anymore, and never will again. Overall, however, I don't think West acquitted himself all that well. Easy for me to say, I know.

    Okay, I feel sufficiently tortured. I think I'll go fry up some French egg/milk toast. Today I'll add a touch of paprika as well as cinnamon and slap a blob of peanut butter on the side.
    Posted by: .com || 11/13/2005 9:28 Comments || Top||


    Terror Networks & Islam
    Denis Prager:Five questions non-Muslims would like answered
    excellent. 'nuff said.

    THE RIOTING IN France by primarily Muslim youths and the hotel bombings in Jordan are the latest events to prompt sincere questions that law-abiding Muslims need to answer for Islam's sake, as well as for the sake of worried non-Muslims.

    Here are five of them:

    (1) Why are you so quiet?

    Since the first Israelis were targeted for death by Muslim terrorists blowing themselves up in the name of your religion and Palestinian nationalism, I have been praying to see Muslim demonstrations against these atrocities. Last week's protests in Jordan against the bombings, while welcome, were a rarity. What I have seen more often is mainstream Muslim spokesmen implicitly defending this terror on the grounds that Israel occupies Palestinian lands. We see torture and murder in the name of Allah, but we see no anti-torture and anti-murder demonstrations in the name of Allah.

    There are a billion Muslims in the world. How is it possible that essentially none have demonstrated against evils perpetrated by Muslims in the name of Islam? This is true even of the millions of Muslims living in free Western societies. What are non-Muslims of goodwill supposed to conclude? When the Israeli government did not stop a Lebanese massacre of Palestinians in the Sabra and Chatilla refugee camps in Lebanon in 1982, great crowds of Israeli Jews gathered to protest their country's moral failing. Why has there been no comparable public demonstration by Palestinians or other Muslims to morally condemn Palestinian or other Muslim-committed terror?

    (2) Why are none of the Palestinian terrorists Christian?

    If Israeli occupation is the reason for Muslim terror in Israel, why do no Christian Palestinians engage in terror? They are just as nationalistic and just as occupied as Muslim Palestinians.

    (3) Why is only one of the 47 Muslim-majority countries a free country?

    According to Freedom House, a Washington-based group that promotes democracy, of the world's 47 Muslim countries, only Mali is free. Sixty percent are not free, and 38% are partly free. Muslim-majority states account for a majority of the world's "not free" states. And of the 10 "worst of the worst," seven are Islamic states. Why is this?

    (4) Why are so many atrocities committed and threatened by Muslims in the name of Islam?

    Young girls in Indonesia were recently beheaded by Muslim murderers. Last year, Muslims — in the name of Islam — murdered hundreds of schoolchildren in Russia. While reciting Muslim prayers, Islamic terrorists take foreigners working to make Iraq free and slaughter them. Muslim daughters are murdered by their own families in the thousands in "honor killings." And the Muslim government in Iran has publicly called for the extermination of Israel.

    (5) Why do countries governed by religious Muslims persecute other religions?

    No church or synagogue is allowed in Saudi Arabia. The Taliban destroyed some of the greatest sculptures of the ancient world because they were Buddhist. Sudan's Islamic regime has murdered great numbers of Christians.

    Instead of confronting these problems, too many of you deny them. Muslims call my radio show to tell me that even speaking of Muslim or Islamic terrorists is wrong. After all, they argue, Timothy McVeigh is never labeled a "Christian terrorist." As if McVeigh committed his terror as a churchgoing Christian and in the name of Christ, and as if there were Christian-based terror groups around the world.

    As a member of the media for nearly 25 years, I have a long record of reaching out to Muslims. Muslim leaders have invited me to speak at major mosques. In addition, I have studied Arabic and Islam, have visited most Arab and many other Muslim countries and conducted interfaith dialogues with Muslims in the United Arab Emirates as well as in the U.S. Politically, I have supported creation of a Palestinian state and supported (mistakenly, I now believe) the Oslo accords.

    Hundreds of millions of non-Muslims want honest answers to these questions, even if the only answer you offer is, "Yes, we have real problems in Islam." Such an acknowledgment is infinitely better — for you and for the world — than dismissing us as anti-Muslim.

    We await your response.
    Posted by: PlanetDan || 11/13/2005 16:15 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

    #1  *crickets*
    Posted by: Frank G || 11/13/2005 17:21 Comments || Top||

    #2  Thundering silence, thy name is Muslim perfidy.
    Posted by: Zenster || 11/13/2005 19:07 Comments || Top||



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