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-Short Attention Span Theater-
Soldier Who Halted Car Bomber Avoids Punishment
From Scrappleface:


(2003-12-12) -- The American soldier who fired 100 rounds to halt the advance of a speeding, bomb-laden car, saving the lives of countless American troops last week was relieved to learn today that he would not be court martialed or fined for improper use of force.

The Army specialist was cleared on the same day that Lt. Col. Allen West was fined $5,000 for threatening an Iraqi with a gun during an August interrogation which yielded information that thwarted an attack on an American troop convoy.

"When I heard that Lt. Col. West was hit with a fine for firing a weapon near a prisoner, I thought I was cooked," said the soldier. "I actually discharged my weapon into the vehicle and may have wounded the driver before he set off the bomb that injured about 60 of us. I’m glad to hear that, at least in this case, it was okay to defend the men in your unit."
Posted by: mercutio || 12/13/2003 5:54:30 PM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Heh. This would probably be a true story of Al Bore were prez.
Posted by: 4thInfVet || 12/13/2003 21:42 Comments || Top||


German cannibal in talks over movie deal
A German cannibal is in talks with several film companies on a movie deal about his grisly story, his defence lawyer said yesterday at his murder trial.
Armin Meiwes, 42, has already begun writing his memoirs in jail. They will detail how he killed, carved up and ate a victim he says wanted to die, lawyer Harald Ermel said during a break in the trial.
Ermel would not comment on reports that a deal of potentially millions of dollars (euros) was on offer.
The lawyer said the dead man, a 43-year-old engineer, had a death wish and would have chosen someone else to kill and eat him if he had not found Meiwes via the Internet.
Ermel said the victim, Bernd-Juergen Brandes, had been in touch with three potential killers in the United States.
Meiwes, a computer technician, is charged with murder for the purposes of sexual satisfaction, which carries a life sentence. He is further accused of disturbing the peace of the dead by cutting up the corpse.
He admits killing Brandes and eating at least 20kg of his flesh, but his defence says he is guilty at worst of “killing on demand,” which carries a maximum jail sentence of five years. Cannibalism itself is not a crime in Germany.
Earlier this week the court in Kassel, central Germany, sat behind closed doors to watch three 90-minute videos which Meiwes took of his actions, again apparently with the victim’s consent, during March 10, 2001.
“I felt like I was in a pathology lab,” a court official said yesterday. She said everyone had been forced to look away at some point because of the grisly nature of the videos, except Meiwes who often grinned. “For him it’s normal,” she added.
Meanwhile a forensic scientist testified in court yesterday that Meiwes knew Brandes was still alive, despite bleeding badly after his penis had been cut off, when he began to dissect him. Manfred Risse said that if medical help had been sought, Brandes could have survived.
Risse said the victim was suffering the effects of a combination of alcohol and medication. The court was told earlier that he downed anti-cold medicine, sleeping tablets and whisky on the day of his death.
Posted by: TS || 12/13/2003 3:26:51 PM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  ... he dead man, a 43-year-old engineer, had a death wish and would have chosen someone else to kill and eat him if he had not found Meiwes via the Internet.

"He wuz askin' for it, the brazen canope!"
Posted by: Steve White || 12/13/2003 17:15 Comments || Top||

#2  I believe it's spelled 'canape', Steve. { ;^)
Posted by: Parabellum || 12/13/2003 18:29 Comments || Top||

#3  Can we make this a cannibal-free zone, please? I have to read about this shit in the German papers every day and I prefer to keep my appetite.
Posted by: True German Ally || 12/13/2003 19:32 Comments || Top||

#4  TGA, I feel your pain as I try to avoid media stories concerning the "Gloved One."
Posted by: Super Hose || 12/13/2003 20:03 Comments || Top||


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Iraq War Created New Terror Problem, Says Prince Turki
Instead of snuffing out a terrorist threat, US President George W. Bush’s war on Iraq created a new one, Prince Turki Al-Faisal, the Kingdom’s ambassador in London, said on Thursday. “When the United States and Britain invaded Iraq, the promise of bringing peace and security was important in the expositions of both the American and British leaderships,” Prince Turki said. “Unfortunately, that promise still has to be realized. The daily firefights, explosions and violence are making even those who believed the initial promise skeptical.”
Or it could be that it was a problem that was there all along, that's been forced from the shadows, and that now can be dealt with.
“Instead of removing the terrorist threat which President Bush saw in Saddam’s Iraq, we find today that Bush’s Iraq has become a magnet for terrorists,” Prince Turki said.
Funny how that worked. We knew the Bad Guys were going to try and snatch back the bone, too. We just weren't sure how...
Prince Turki said the world community could not afford to see Iraq remain without peace and security, noting that the Kingdom pledged $1 billion for reconstruction.
Wow. That's a lot of madrassahs...
The prince, a former chief of intelligence, said ending the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, as well as conflicts in Chechnya, Kashmir and Iraq, was key to anti-terror efforts. “We must not forget that terrorism is a by-product and not an alien being descended on us from a distant galaxy,” he said. “The international community ... must realize that terrorism hijacks causes and thrives on injustice. Solve these causes and redress these injustices and we not only win peace and security, we redeem our humanity.”
Interesting proposition. Terrorism is actually a stand-alone tool, that can be used by anyone with an agenda to push and the ability to recruit gunnies. That includes both organizations and governments. That's why terrorism in Paleostine resembles terrorism in Colombia, and both resemble terrorism in Northern Ireland. We can regard causes and injustices in the same light, as free-standing tools, available to mix and match with other tools. Specific injustices in one place are handled by bitching, moaning, argument and negotiation; in other places they're handled by the Armed Struggle™ route. But there's an inexhaustible supply of injustices in this world. You can always find one if somehow the one you were using peters out. Presumably His Excellency knows this, since it's one of those truisms anyone over the age of 11 can figure with five minutes thought. If you go looking for "root causes" to solve a problem, you've got to find the right "root cause," otherwise you've just done a little cosmetic work. The actual "root cause" in this case isn't Chechnya, or Paleostine or Kashmir, but a willful program of international conquest using terrorism as a tool. Our ultimate target has to be the Council of Boskone/SPECTRE/The Learned Elders of Islam, even while we're fighting off the hordes of armed and dangerous lemmings that are breeding in geometric proportions, subsisting on the sustenance provided by... ummm... princes.
Prince Turki said Saudi Arabia was not only trying to hunt down members of Al-Qaeda network, but was also “combating the ideas that made them terrorists.”
Actually, they're trying to fine tune things enough so they can take back control of their monster...
In doing so the Kingdom would ensure terrorism does not manipulate Islam.
... but rather Islam manipulate terrorism, as it's done in the past.
“This is being done by educating youth and stressing the moderate nature of Muslims who reject extremism and violence and also by providing jobs and addressing economic difficulties to deny terrorism its tools for attracting citizens,” Prince Turki said.
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 12/13/2003 12:00 || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Drunken Santa, Oil painting by Jaisini Lulu : Marketplace for a World of Digital Content



Drunken Santa is a work that creates a miracle of equilibrium. What seemed like a clash of an opposite spectrum's colors became the unlikely harmony in this painting. Jaisini's artistic vision here is formed from two components of physical and emotional states of being.

Freezing and heating serve as a symbol to a human need for warming up from the chill of solitude by means known to people at all times. The artist pursues his art philosophical quest for worldly knowledge that had left its traces in many of his works. A line of composition literally ignites the painting's surface with the movement. The color of this work is "phosphorescent," and it create the different planes if the subtle color nature. The warm color of purple supports the hot color of Santa's figure and an exotic fish above Santa. This hot color may represent the so-called material universe, the world of the gross senses that can be observed in a sober state. The cold, arctic blue color represents the unknown, the world of a deep state of drunkenness where real is unreal and otherwise. The only hard reality is the self, which never changes in any state. And maybe that is why Jaisini favors the painting's main hero, Santa, to possess the vivacious color of fire. Jaisini chooses this color of fire to manifest the self and the cold cerulean, cobalt and ultramarine to renounce self as a mortal entity surrounded by the eternal unknown.

While Santa drinks his feelings of frigid loneliness vanish. And so, he gets a company of some almost hallucinatory nature. A shark, a ghostly image, a profile of another prototypical drunk who is not accidentally situated in a horizontal position. An amalgam of the several female figures that consists of a woman in stockings, a nun, a big-breasted silhouette that create a shadow between.

A heat can be sensed around the hot colored Santa who has lost his beard and is holding a glass of red wine. He shows his thumb that may be just a polite substitution for the middle finger sign.

The colors of the work are balanced by a virtuoso composition of a cubist character. The picture's space is divided endlessly. More images start to appear. The world of "Drunken Santa" vitalizes to almost chaotic state. The work is a treasure. It depicts and witnesses the intangible mechanism of reality transformation. In the state of intoxication, what happens to

the solid world of sober state? Everything disappears. It is just like the dream-world, that we call unreal, because when we are awaken it is not there. Just so the solid world must be unreal because it also vanishes in the drunk or deep-sleep states. Then what is reality? In "Drunken Santa," this problem is elaborated to the triumphant conclusion. The simplicity of symbolism of the warm and cold colors. The dazzling composition of figuration superimposed to abstraction. And besides the beauty of artistic logic, Jaisini's works are marked with the rich, magnetic colors, as in "Drunken Santa" and others, strikingly attractive pictures in their intricate game of light and shadow, in their absolute congruence of visual and conceptual. Review of oil painting "Drunken Santa" by Paul Jaisini
Text copyrights by Yustas Kotz-Gottlieb All rights reserved New York, 2003


http://www.lulu.com/Paul-Jaisini
Posted by: yustas || 12/13/2003 12:10 Comments || Top||

#2  Fred - now THIS is the true Saudi position, post-Riyadh May 14 (?). Blame everything on someone else. Hope for the LLL guilt phase to cover their duplicity, cowardice, and insane religion. Stick some fingers in the dike. Apply enough of this bubble gum and bailing wire blame game guilt to hold it all together while they continue to siphon off as much as they think their craven clan can manage. Nothing more or less to this.

yustas - fascinating post.
Posted by: .com || 12/13/2003 12:47 Comments || Top||

#3  Damn--it sure does suck when terrorism returns to the roost instead of striking only in Israel, Europe, and the US where it belongs.

So sorry, Prince, to see you Sods and other Arabs reap what you've so long being sowing. It was all meant for export, not domestic consumption.
Posted by: Dar || 12/13/2003 13:33 Comments || Top||

#4  "We must not forget that terrorism is a by-product and not an alien being descended on us from a distant galaxy,”

Is this the same Prince Turki who was head head of the Saudi Intelligence, whose service is infiltrated by AQ, who was directing funding AQ and Wahabist funding, who squashed the 1996 barracks bombing investigation, who is now exiled to London? Well boo hoo. Cry me a river.
Posted by: ed || 12/13/2003 13:44 Comments || Top||

#5  Damn! Yustas knows Malt!

craven clan

Is there an exact correlation between clan and royalty? Are all males of this particular clans princes? If not, what are they? Is this where the middle managers come from?
Posted by: Shipman || 12/13/2003 13:52 Comments || Top||

#6  I swear that when these Saudi princes look in the mirror, they honestly cannot see a reflection. I have never, in any articles I have read here, or anywhere else, seen real official bonifide soul searching by any Saudi leader. There is a disconnect here. They are incapable of stepping outside of themselves. The only way that they will change is by the use of strong external means, and that means their pocketbook, and that brings us back to a previous discussion today.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 12/13/2003 14:04 Comments || Top||

#7  This Yustas fellow, plugging the lulu.com site, has been infesting comments in a number of blogs, every time with delusional, incoherent crap that is off-topic of the specific post he's replying to. He's hit Damian Penny at least three times in the last two days.

Late update: Damian says the IP is 80.11.73.177. A wanadoo.fr site. Quel surprise. Is that the same guy, Fred?
Posted by: Angie Schultz || 12/13/2003 14:37 Comments || Top||

#8  Ship - "Is there an exact correlation between clan and royalty?"
Absolutely. King Abdul Aziz ibn Saud was the "founder" of modern Saudi Arabia. Aziz united the 27 (or was it 26?) tribes by marrying a daughter of each of the tribal leaders.

Check out this link (look at the family tree).

There are 7 "brothers" (4 are "Royals" - sons of Abd Al Aziz; 3 are "non Royals" from other fathers - all fathers were sons of Muhammed bin Saud) today who control all money, doling it out downstream to their favored Princely proteges who dole it out to their favored flunky clans (Can you say Al Ghamdi?) etc. That's the game and the gig. Not from a well-connected tribe or clan? Tough shit, you're out unless you manage to catch someone's eye. I hope this helps! ;-)
Posted by: .com || 12/13/2003 15:44 Comments || Top||

#9  Funny how Turki's specious comments on Iraq mirror the specious arguments of the hopelessly cluesless in our country ("gee, look, invading Iraq has made terrorism WORSE!" -- because some idiots are know shooting RPGs at a Humvee near Ramadi).

Taking out the Iraqi regime eliminated the most likely future proliferator of WMD that was also the most reckless, immune to deterrence, and currently most vulnerable. No matter how long the pathetic dead-enders take their pot-shots, and increase the odds that their now-dethroned minority community will receive full pay-back from the majority in Iraq, the forces of global terror have been dealt a huge set-back.

True, Prince Turkey, terrorists didn't come from Mars, but as one of your worst enemies has pointed out, they also don't exist suspended in mid-air -- they are terrestrial mammals with addresses, supply and money chains, and some degree of state connivance or toleration. The US has shown it will go after them directly when it can find them (Yemen). Meanwhile, we go after states that use/tolerate them, their money, and states that might sell them exotic weapons.

A strategy so obviously sound only a Saudi intelligence chief or a presidential candidate could fail to comprehend it ....
Posted by: IceCold || 12/13/2003 17:09 Comments || Top||

#10  It is ironic that his views match exactly to those of the LLL yet the LLL condems the continued US alliance with Saudi Arabia.

The prince implies that all forms of injustice result in terrorism until they are resolved. An iteresting point, but few terrorist insurgencies outside of Islamic fundementalist societies are popularly backed. The IRA is an exception. (Note - I don't what percentage of locals back the ETA or November 17th groups.)

The Black Panthers had a following in the black community but not nearly what MLK could muster.
Posted by: Super Hose || 12/13/2003 20:23 Comments || Top||

#11  prince turkey--what a putz--islamic terrorism--99% of whats going down is definitely not an alien force--its straight outta mecca--with stops in asir and riyahd--somebody buy this useless schmuck a gps--more taquiyyah for the kufr
Posted by: Anonymous || 12/14/2003 3:13 Comments || Top||


Saudi Envoy Slams Iraq War Opponents
Countries that opposed the U.S. decision to invade Iraq have no right to protest U.S. initiatives restricting reconstruction contracts to allies, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, the ambassador of Saudi Arabia to the United States, said Friday.
"Git yer chicken-pickin’ finger off’n that-there loot. That’s MY loot!"
Bandar said he thought it was "amusing" ``amazing’’ that war opponents now ``feel they have a right to share in the pie’’ of reconstruction contracts.
He’s a diplomat and he's amazed?
He said even more dangerous than terrorists themselves are those who say they condemn terrorism but don’t actively fight it. Bandar repeatedly praised Bush’s decisions to fight terrorism, invade Iraq and send troops to Afghanistan to oust the Taliban.
"We just came to the realization that the French are pigs, too!"
``We should be grateful for what the United States has done to get rid of those two evils, the Taliban and Saddam,’’ Bandar said, generating applause from hundreds in attendance of a luncheon co-sponsored by the Bilateral/U.S.-Arab Chamber of Commerce.
Bandar’s always known how to warm up a crowd.
Bandar kept his comments about terrorism to a minimum despite recent terror attacks in Saudi Arabia and warnings of more to come. ``That fight has been imposed on us,’’ Bandar said. ``None of us asked for it.’’
"And so I shall stop talking about it."
Saudi Arabia has spent more than $17 million on public relations, advertising and lobbying in the United States since the Sept. 11 attacks, according to Justice Department records. Television ads have depicted Saudi Arabia as aligned with American interests, and the country has hired Washington lobbying and law firms to advance its case.
Not quite as bad as the French hiring Woody Allen and George Plimpton, but bad enough.
Bandar has toured the United States in conjunction with the ad campaign to promote Saudi Arabia’s relationship with America and its commitment against terrorism. ``We are your friends because you have never taken an action that would hurt our people,’’ Bandar said, ...
Had to have been a ventriloquist in the crowd, his lips definitely were off by then.
... adding that Saudi Arabia will continue doing its part to ``be right behind you shoulder to shoulder with you against evil.’
Don’t stand there, you’re making me nervous!
Posted by: Steve White || 12/13/2003 1:24:58 AM || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "... shoulder to shoulder with you against evil."

With a knife in one hand and a song in your heart, no doubt ...
Posted by: Dan Darling || 12/13/2003 1:27 Comments || Top||

#2  Are the Saudi's duplicitous, or just plain schizoid?
Posted by: joe || 12/13/2003 2:58 Comments || Top||

#3  When the Royal family renounces Wahhabism and the House of Saud severes all ties with the Wahhbists, I'll listen. But it ain't gonna happen. So they'll continue to talk nice, but support the exporters of hatred and intolerence.
Posted by: Gasse Katze || 12/13/2003 3:06 Comments || Top||

#4  Joe, guaranteed, the House of Saud will conduct the foreign and domestic affairs of their country, the best way they can see, to maximize the security and prosperity of the people of ... the House of Saud.
Posted by: Glenn (not Reynolds) || 12/13/2003 4:18 Comments || Top||

#5  Glenn is right. Even if this statement is just duplicitous diplospeak, it says something important here. The Saudis think we are the strong horse, and are siding with us, against France, Germany and Russia. The House of Saud see us as their only hope for staying alive.

The fact that many see the Sauds as duplicitous is not a bad thing. Makes it easier for the Prez to say, "Ya know, I'd like to help you and all, but I also got voters who don't like you guys. YOu guys need to clean up your act, get rid of the Wahabis, the jihadis, and release bank records. Also, stop ragging on our citizens who are Christian, or Jewish."
Posted by: Ben || 12/13/2003 4:44 Comments || Top||

#6  More of the same, eh folks? Oil. Oily. Same same.

So, there's this 40km wide strip along the Eastern coast of Saudi Arabia that provides the funding for the vast majority of the asshat terror in the world and...
Posted by: .com || 12/13/2003 5:05 Comments || Top||

#7  .com

I really like your signature. I would introduce two changes:
-Remove the asshat, for when dealing with other people.
-Add stolen to the 40 km wide strip. I know Shia would be nearly as bad (but less dangerous since they cannot lead the Sunni world and don't control Mecca)but it would do no harm to unlegitimize Saudi's control of the oil.
Posted by: JFM || 12/13/2003 8:09 Comments || Top||

#8  Lemme see if I can pick up where .com left off . . .

. . . and there were these Marines off that very same coast, and an aircraft carrier, and the last 16"-gunned battleship in operational service in the world, and one fine morning about 0300 . . .
Posted by: Mike || 12/13/2003 8:11 Comments || Top||

#9  "...the last 16"-gunned battleship in operational service..." There's still one left? Hmmm. A 16" 50-cal naval gun on a ship just offshore can effectively reach about 40km inland. Quite effectively, according to the Iraqi army, vintage 1991. Voice of experience.
Posted by: Glenn (not Reynolds) || 12/13/2003 9:31 Comments || Top||

#10  After the Somalli post we get this. Thats been the crux of saudi paranoia. If they, the royals, don't target the wahhabs for extinction then the US should. And if that means taking the source of funding from them then so be it. The current situation is a cancer.
Posted by: Lucky || 12/13/2003 11:18 Comments || Top||

#11  Let's see:

Opposed GW2, eligible for recontruction pie. When will we learn.

"He said even more dangerous than terrorists themselves are those who say they condemn terrorism but don’t actively fight it." Well this is hitting close to Riyadh.

Say one thing to the infidels. Call for the jihad / death to infidels in the presence of Muslims.
Posted by: ed || 12/13/2003 11:34 Comments || Top||

#12  Don't jump to conclusions about the utility of a battleship on that coast, folks. I think there's a lot of shallow and dangerous water up close, which would reduce inland reach. Check your charts.

I too would be more impressed if Prince Bandar said those things in Arabic, at a conference in Cairo.
Posted by: Alan Sullivan || 12/13/2003 12:12 Comments || Top||

#13  Back in the late 50's there was a comedian named Brother Dave Gardner. One of the funniest people ever - and many modern comics owe their success to stealing one of his bits and taking it mainstream. He had one bit about Cuba which comes to mind reading Alan's comment. The problem with fighting Cuba was that we had fallen in love with missiles - great big intercontinental missiles. He suggested, hysterically, that Cuba was a serious problem: we didn't have anything that would go that short. He said that if war came with Cuba, we'd have to fight them with the Mississippi National Gaurd in the the back of a flatbed wagon. Only thing in our inventory that would fit the circumstances. Heh, heh. Some truth there that took potshots at the Pentagon's love of the huge chrome-plated mega-monster machines.

Same applies to this little strip of land. Prolly take it with the Mississippi National Guard in Zodiacs.
Posted by: .com || 12/13/2003 13:09 Comments || Top||

#14  He said that if war came with Cuba, we'd have to fight them with the Mississippi National Gaurd in the the back of a flatbed wagon.

Anybody here thinking thats funny? It's standup and be counted time. There ain't no damn thing funny about the Mississippi National Guard! We have Brigades and far flung Cadres of Luckies! Hell give me three gentlemen from Mississippi, be they white, black or green and I'll show you a fire team.
/cracker
Posted by: Shipman || 12/13/2003 14:01 Comments || Top||

#15  Ship - easy, bro! No offence intended, suh! Brother Dave was FROM Mississippi or Alabama, I believe. And you're dead right: nobody can shoot like a cracker who's putting food on the table, not showing off at the range for his / her favorite sex toy of the moment. The Yankees learned this the hard way at Manassas / 1st Bull Run, I buhlieve. I'm from Texas, myownself. I still have my grandfather's 1911 45 ACP, in fact. If my apology is insufficient, suh, I'll get it out of storage when I come back to LA and meet you in, say, Las Cruces. No one will notice us there, heh. Take 10 paces, turn at fire at will! May honah be suhved! ;->
Posted by: .com || 12/13/2003 15:05 Comments || Top||

#16  You don't invade Cuba, you send them 11 million visas. Problem solved. When Cuba is 51st state most Cubans will go back, unlike the millions of undocumented Mexicans Ridge wants to grant an amnesty.
Posted by: True German Ally || 12/13/2003 19:37 Comments || Top||

#17  If anyone's schizophrenic, it's gotta be poor Prince Bandar!
He loves the West and all its kuffir decadence, but he's stuck being a Saud and knows that he's seeing the end of Washington's (and Foggy Bottom's) long love affair with SA.
As for the Miss. National Guard, IF ONLY they'd been allowed to do the Bay of Pigs operation, Cuba would probably have been free for the last 40 years, but NOOOOO.....JFK had to use his CIA and Mafia pals!
And TGA (what's a True German Ally look like, BTW, unless it's Donald Rumsfeld?), I'd bet the farm that President Bush and SecDHS Ridge do have a plan to control immigration with both Mexico and Canada and it ain't giving everyone visas.
We cannot fight the GWOIT (Global War on Islamist Terror) against infiltration by those same Islamofascists with 2 very porous borders to our north and south. Ask around.
Posted by: Jennie Taliaferro || 12/13/2003 21:33 Comments || Top||


Soddies in Yemen to question Ahdal
Saudi agents arrived in Sanaa on Thursday to follow up investigation of Muhammad Hamdi Al-Ahdal or Abu Asem, a top Al-Qaeda operative who was arrested by Yemeni police two weeks ago. “The visit comes in the framework of the security agreement between the two countries,” Yemeni sources said. The sources, however, denied reports that Saudi Arabia had requested Ahdal’s extradition because of his alleged role in the terrorist attacks in the Kingdom. Saudi authorities have tightened security measures in their bid to capture terror suspects and prevent them from using forged documents. The Interior Ministry earlier instructed car rentals, hotels, furnished residential apartments and rest houses to inform it about people renting their vehicles and living in their facilities. Ibrahim Muhammad Al-Rayyes, one of the wanted militants who was killed in a shootout with security forces in Riyadh last Monday, was carrying false papers.
Weren't they all carrying phoney papers?
Saudi Arabia issued on Saturday a list of 26 suspects wanted in connection with terrorist attacks in the country.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 12/13/2003 00:17 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  They didn't say how many Pakistani passports he had.
Posted by: Glenn (not Reynolds) || 12/13/2003 1:04 Comments || Top||

#2  Policeman. "Papers please, we need to see your papers."

Abu. "Yes yes, see here."

Policeman. "No, this is fake."

Ahdal(with toothy smile). "Oh yes, my mistake, yes I have many, here here please. This ones good."

(Ahdal struggles with the papers as they fall out over the ground. A hint of persperation show on his face. Again he smiles and also batts his eyelash)

Ahdal. "My name is Abu. We could have sex".

Policeman. "Come with me"

Posted by: Lucky || 12/13/2003 11:30 Comments || Top||

#3  LOL! Lucky, you left out his camel, man. Those huge brown eyes, liquid pools of lust and... ahem. Nevermind.
Posted by: .com || 12/13/2003 11:39 Comments || Top||

#4  No way Jones, Abu had one of those Marsadies Beirut Taxi bombs. Diesel!
Posted by: Lucky || 12/13/2003 11:48 Comments || Top||


Swiss uncover al-Qaeda cells in the Magic Kingdom ...
Swiss security forces have uncovered a number of Al-Qaeda cells planning terrorist attacks in Saudi Arabia, Al-Watan Arabic daily reported yesterday quoting Swiss judicial sources.
The chocolate people can find them and the Soddies can't?
The Swiss authorities were alerted to the terrorist cells while tapping telephone conversations of Khalid Sheikh Muhammad, the alleged mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks. Khalid Sheikh was arrested in Pakistan last March and has been extradited to the US. “Investigations identified telephone numbers of incoming and outgoing calls from Khaled Sheikh’s phone,” the paper said, adding the Al-Qaeda operative used dozens of cell phones until September 2002.
And they followed up on these...
Swiss intelligence knows about Al-Qaeda cells, some of them operating in Asia, who are preparing to carry out explosions in the Kingdom, the paper said.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 12/13/2003 12:10:55 AM || Comments || Link || [8 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Ah, leave it to the Green Truth to toss out such an interesting tidbit, yet provide no worthwhile details. It's weird mixing the Cuckoo & Magic Kingdoms... Dan's comments are perfect. Classic understatement!
Posted by: .com || 12/13/2003 2:22 Comments || Top||

#2  Does Swiss intelligence have access to the numbered accounts?
Posted by: Shipman || 12/13/2003 7:44 Comments || Top||

#3  Swiss banks need to be transparent. They are in bed with all pack of thieves and thugs. Lending an air of respectability to them. If there is a target that needs to be hit, it's a Swiss bank.
Posted by: Lucky || 12/13/2003 11:56 Comments || Top||


Al-Qaeda embassy boom in Yemen thwarted
AN al-Qaeda plot to blow up the British embassy in Yemen was foiled in September, the BBC reported today, quoting London’s ambassador to the country as saying that the threat was "very serious". BBC television said 20 militants had confessed to planning to crash a truck bomb through the embassy gates after they were caught by Yemeni intelligence.
What were they planning to do before they were caught by Yemeni intelligence?
According to the British public broadcaster, security officials said the militants were receiving instructions from al-Qaeda operatives in Iran.
Oooh. Another Iran connection...
Asked how serious the threat was to blow up the British embassy, Francis Guy, London’s ambassador to Yemen said: "I think it was very serious". She also suggested there had been similar earlier plots. "We are very conscious that we are a high priority target here in Yemen and we try our best on a daily basis to review our security and improve it as much as we can," Guy told the BBC. A spokesman for the Foreign Office in London said: "I’m not going to comment on security of individual embassies and high commissions. Security of staff is of paramount concern. There is no one-size-fits-all approach to security".
Posted by: Dan Darling || 12/13/2003 12:07:54 AM || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I just love the Black Hats. Too full of their own piss 'n vinegar version of ubermachojihadi to lay low until they have their nuke-tipped missiles, they just have to play the game. Must be afraid the Wahhabis are getting all the asshat glory.

Yemeni intelligence - is that the new oxymoron in the intel community, these days?

If the politicos in the admin think that Dubya shouldn't topple the Black Hats before the election, they are miscalculating. We're talking about people who have done everything humanly possible to get their hands on a nuke warhead, tip a missile with a particular range, and have promised multiple times to immediately wipe out Israel when they got it. Nothing in the game of politics equates to the smallest item in that sequence, much less trumps it. Dubya - begin making the case publicly in hardcore terms. Take the gloves off - these cretins have openly promised genocide and have pulled no punches. Give them no quarter - tell the American people exactly who they are, what they are, and what they are trying to do. Fuck the UN, Elbarradi, Russia - the lot of them. This will be for all the marbles - again.
Posted by: .com || 12/13/2003 3:25 Comments || Top||

#2  You be on a roll today,.com.
Posted by: raptor || 12/13/2003 8:24 Comments || Top||

#3  notice London's ambassador to Yemen is a woman? I think we should have woman ambassadors to these misogynist sex-crazed macho asshole nations, and NOBODY weirs a freaking veil! Let them know what we think of their weakness in the presence of a woman not contained in a sack
Posted by: Frank G || 12/13/2003 10:51 Comments || Top||

#4  Frank - You're not suggesting we call Madeleine Halfbright back are ya? I'd love to see Ann Coulter or Virginia Postrel appointed to an Ambassador's post in the ME. They go apeshit over blondes. Tall ones even better. Funny as hell to watch these guys when one is around (dressed normally) - schizophrenic reaction ranging from overt outrage to hard-swallowing lust! Sorta bipolar, y'know?
Posted by: .com || 12/13/2003 11:27 Comments || Top||

#5  .com -- I'd pay money to watch Ann Coulter appear at a Senate hearing, with a bonus if Leahy, Schumer, or Byrd were going to do some "questioning". "That's an idiotic question, Senator"...
Posted by: snellenr || 12/13/2003 11:35 Comments || Top||

#6  snellenr - Yeah that'd be a hoot! She's damned good at throwing them and not much on pulling them. Heh, heh. She's a pistol! And with all the leering, especially from that old hawk-faced / dove-assed Byrd... She'd tear him to shreds, methinks! Fun image!
Posted by: .com || 12/13/2003 11:43 Comments || Top||

#7  As Allah says: it makes their pants go funny.
Posted by: ed || 12/13/2003 11:52 Comments || Top||

#8  ed - I wonder where Allah buys his pants - they sure provide a lot of action!
Posted by: .com || 12/13/2003 12:52 Comments || Top||

#9  I wouldn't allow halfbright anywhere near this, I was thinking more along the lines of Coulter or Laura Ingram, who could kick the ass of any Moooslim who felt he couldn't control himself due to his tingly parts
Posted by: Frank G || 12/13/2003 14:48 Comments || Top||

#10  Frank - had to look her up - her radio show's not syndicated in SaoodiLand. Got that Hardball look! ;->

Her site
Posted by: .com || 12/13/2003 15:52 Comments || Top||


Kuwaiti media targeted by letter bombs
Kuwait says it has intercepted booby-trapped parcels addressed to three Kuwaiti journalists a day after a letter sent to another journalist caused a small explosion and injured one person. The Communications Ministry said all three parcels were from the same source in Lebanon that sent the letter to Ahmed al-Jarallah, editor-in-chief of the liberal al-Seyassah daily newspaper. Mr al-Jarallah's assistant was slightly hurt in the blast.
From someplace in Lebanon, eh? Would that be Ein el-Hellhole, perhaps?
The oil-rich Gulf state, one of Washington's staunchest allies in the region and liberated from Iraqi occupation in 1991 by US-led forces, was investigating what the ministry called a "criminal act".
Y'might even call it an act of terrorism...
The official Kuwait News Agency quoted a government official as saying post offices were put on alert after Thursday's incident. The three parcels were addressed to Abdallah Al-Khalaf, secretary-general of the Kuwaiti Writers Association, and journalists Nasser al-Utaybi of al-Seyassah and Dr Abdallah Muhammad al-Shaykh of the al-Qabas daily newspaper. Mr al-Jarallah, known in Kuwait for his pro-American stance, has written editorials criticising authoritarian Arab governments.
And the bad guys just vindicated his opinions, didn't they?
He was in Saudi Arabia at the time of the blast.
"Y'missed me, bitch!"
A spate of attacks against American targets in Kuwait occurred in the run-up to the US-led war to oust Saddam Hussein in Iraq earlier this year. Some were blamed on radical Islamists who sympathise with militant groups such as Al Qaeda.
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 12/13/2003 00:02 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Kuwait. Staunch? Schizophrenic is much closer to the mark, abc.com.au dude. As for who to blame for attacks on Americans, well... "some" probably did come from those peasefull mooslims.
Posted by: .com || 12/13/2003 4:11 Comments || Top||


Jarallah: "The U.S. is not going to Quit"
On November 23, 2003, Ahmad Al-Jarallah, the Editor-in-Chief of the Kuwaiti dailies Al-Siyassa and Arab Times, praised the U.S. fight against Jihad fighters. The following are excerpts from the article:
This sort of thing is why he got the letter bomb...
Any resistance that depends on suicide bombers to destroy its target is a desperate and futile movement. Such a resistance hasn't succeeded in evicting Jews from Palestine or ending the misery of Palestinians. It has also failed to curtail the political authority of Jews over Palestinians. Those who still employ this method - covered by slogans of Jihad and promises of a place in heaven for the suicide bomber - wrongly believe it is an effective method.

They are living in the past and they can see only the history of the United States. They think America is the same country that withdrew from regions where it incurred heavy casualties, such as Vietnam, Beirut in 1982, and Somalia. They refuse to see the recent history of the US in Yugoslavia, Kosovo, Afghanistan, and in the war to liberate Kuwait. Americans weren't fazed by suicide bombings. Trucks laden with deadly bombs and driven by suicide bombers failed to scare them. Instead, such attempts have steeled their resolve to accomplish their mission in Afghanistan, Iraq, and other places.

Regrettably, some myopic Arab leaders can see only the negative side of the U.S. army's history. All their speeches are stale and full of lies and their people are sick and tired of their meaningless slogans. These leaders delude themselves trying to lead their people towards mass suicide. They are not aware history is changing and they don't realize any self-respecting military will learn from its past mistakes. The U.S. has chosen to take terrorism head on by launching a war on terror. Nobody, except these handful of Arab leaders, are surprised by America's resolve to fight terrorism.

Saudi Arabia - which was earlier ambivalent towards terrorism - has been forced to join the war on terror. The tone of Saudi media has changed and they want to eliminate the dangers of international terrorism. They now proclaim terrorists violate the teachings of Islam. Kuwait and Egypt have also been fighting terrorism for a long time. The latest victim of terrorism is Turkey where a number of innocent civilians were killed
 This will only result in an international war on terrorism which will have legitimate reasons to continue till the fountainheads of terrorism are smashed. Those who lead revenge operations - for their defeats in Kabul and Baghdad - in the name of resistance are unwittingly strengthening the resolve of the United States to face and defeat terrorism. The United States is not going to quit. Instead, it will convert poles of Jihadi flags into arrows to pierce the hearts of terrorists - who ultimately will be consigned to the dustbin of history.
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 12/13/2003 00:02 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  They think America is the same country that withdrew from regions where it incurred heavy casualties, such as Vietnam, Beirut in 1982, and Somalia

that's about it, isn't it? Times have changed. The US had their rose-colored glasses shattered on 9-11 and won't be replacing them any time soon.
Posted by: B || 12/13/2003 2:38 Comments || Top||

#2  Right on. Miscalculations abound. About us, as people. About our capabilites which progress at an accelerated rate. About our motives and our innate sense of fair play... If screwed enough times and pushed hard enough we will give far better that we get. What hasn't changed is their blindered view of us and the world. We move on - they are cast in amber. There are some very rude wake-up calls coming.
Posted by: .com || 12/13/2003 4:15 Comments || Top||

#3  About our motives and our innate sense of fair play.

The victory Bagdhad was won on the first turn at Daytona.
Posted by: Shipman || 12/13/2003 7:50 Comments || Top||

#4  Al-Jarallah is one seriously brave individual.

I wonder if one source of their misperceptions about the U.S. is an over-reliance on the U.S. media establishment. The "mainstream" press, thanks to its own biases, overemphasizes the strength and influence of the Nine Dwarves Democratic candidates and their automatic gainsaying critique of the war, and understates popular support for the administration. If that's what you want to hear in the first place, it would be all to easy to underestimate U.S. resolve.

. . . not that I mind that our enemies fall victim to their own wisful thinking.
Posted by: Mike || 12/13/2003 8:04 Comments || Top||

#5  One thing that goes unacknowledged is the effect one man -- Pres. George W. Bush -- has had on history. Do you think this would have been written after Pres. Al Gore's cruise missile strikes and high altitude bombing campaign in Afghanistan (there would be no Iraq war)? I honestly believe that the jihadists will do whatever they can to elect Howard Dean or one of the other Ninecompoops. Anything would be better for them than facing 4 more years of death at the hands of the US military under W.
Posted by: Tibor || 12/13/2003 9:32 Comments || Top||

#6  Mike - since your son is now, or soon to be, amongst the troops in this deadly serious challenge, you have my heartfelt thanks and wishes for his safe return. We owe him, and you, our respect and admiration. Thank you, sir. This moment in time makes me wish I was 30 years younger, again.

Tibor - Dubya has become The Man. His speeches and matching actions are all historic and significant - especially when viewed in contrast with some of his predecessors. I am amazed by how proud I am of him. Cowboy, indeed. YeeeeHaaaa!
Posted by: .com || 12/13/2003 12:59 Comments || Top||

#7  .com:

Thanks for the kind words, but my oldest boy is only 10 3/4, and therefore some years away from military service.
Posted by: Mike || 12/13/2003 20:32 Comments || Top||

#8  Tibor, you've coined a gem in that "Ninecompoops" term!
I'm gonna steal it, if you don't mind.
And I can't help but concur with my fellow Rantburgers: President Bush will go down as one of our greatest Presidents because he has responded with courage, leadership and resolve to the worst situation America has faced yet!
He believes God "called" him to the presidency to serve at such a special time in our history and so do I.
God bless him and may He continue to bless America.
Posted by: Jennie Taliaferro || 12/13/2003 21:21 Comments || Top||


Al-Qaeda threatens Yemen
A group calling itself the 'Al-Qaeda branch in Yemen’ claimed on Monday its responsibility for the ambush set for the governor of Shabwa, who was injured and his brother, who was killed in the incident on December, 4. In a press statement sent to al-Wahdawi.net last Monday, al-Tawhid brigade, a part of Qaedat al-Jihad in Yemen claimed responsibility for ambushing the governor Ali Ahmad al-Rassas, leading to the killing of his brother, who is also the chief of intelligence in the governorate of Ibb.
The trouble with Yemen is that it's so hard to tell the difference between al-Qaeda and the local bandidos. Most of the time, they're the same people...
The statement said that the incident came as a result of the government’s ‘violation of its agreement’ with the al-Jihad fraction of al-Qaeda as well as to retaliate for the attack that targeted al-Muatazbellah, head of al-Qaeda in Yemen, two days before Ramdhan in al-Jawf province. It also pointed out that security forces failed to arrest Abdullah al-Karaam last Sunday in Haddah. Al-Qaraam, who is, according to the statement, the main assistant of Abu Assem al-Ahdal who was arrested last month and is believed to be the mastermind of the terrorist attack against the USS Cole in Aden in 2000. The statement warned that any mistreatment of al-Ahdal will invite grave sequences. The group also warned against any acts by the government that could cause harm to the family of the wife of Osama bin Laden, Amal al-Saddah.
Note that they're treating with the government as an equivalent power. And note that the gummint had an "agreement" with them...
It also called upon the Yemeni government to release al-Qaeda detainees. “The arrest campaigns by Yemeni government’s authorities and its attempts to dry up financial resources of al-Mujahedeen will undermine the spirits of Special Security forces, yet will not affect the people who made a great slap to the big guys of the Yemeni intelligence in al-Baidha governorate,” the statement said. It stressed that ‘al-Mujahedeen’ are committed to carry out more attacks till the government releases all detainees and stops harassing their families.
The gummint sprung 92 bad guys a month ago, I'd guess as a result of that "agreement" with the Bad Guys. It doesn't look like they got their money's worth...
It confirmed that there were negotiations conducted between al-Qaeda and the government and that there were no repentant people except Khalid Abdul nabi, the leader of the Aden-Abyan Islamic Army who surrendered himself and pronounced his desire to give up his extremist ideas, according to official sources.
Thought the 92 bad guys were "repentent"?
The statement pledged to avenge for the killing Abu al-Harithi who was murdered by a US drone in November last year. “We have moved from the preparation phase to actual implementation and we will shake the ground beneath the feet of the treacherous and American people,” it concluded.
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 12/13/2003 00:02 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  So AlQ wants the whole Arabian peninsula. No, not while there's oil there to fund you. When it's all gone, you can have it.

Ooooh, another AlQ threat. Skeery. I felt the ground shake - you didn't do it, Gaia did. Hold it right there and we'll show you how to turn silica sand into glass. Or, better yet, we'll start making neutron weapons again so we can wipe your kind out of existence and offer your digs for sale next week. We've thrown away technology that you could never achieve. Abu MyAss, Caliphate Doomboy.
Posted by: .com || 12/13/2003 4:23 Comments || Top||


Britain
Bishop asks for crap
Sometimes the jokes write themselves.
A BISHOP wants his clergy to produce buckets of manure in church at Christmas-time, to remind people that Jesus was born in a stable full of mess.

The Bishop of Horsham, the Rt Revd Lindsay Urwin, said on Wednesday that producing a bucket of manure from the vestry, and wafting it around to fill the church with the aroma, would remind people that Jesus gave his life to clearing up the mess men and women had made.

It could also help high-church clergy who wanted to introduce incense, Bishop Urwin said, since the parishoners might “embrace” the smell of incense as a way of clearing the other smell from the church.
Let’s see. So far, I’ve got:
"They’re C of E, aren’t they? A year’s sermons ought to work just fine."
"Colin. Run down to the bookstore and buy anything you can find by Rowan Williams."
"No problem. Frank Griswold’s stuff is online.
Posted by: Christopher Johnson || 12/13/2003 10:23:55 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


Europe
A Draft of the New EU Constitution
SATIRE ALERT...by iowahawk at LGF...read the whole thing!
PRERAMBLE.
We the intellectuals of the European Union, in order to create a more docile bourgeois, establish subsidies, insure domestic rail service, provide for the general Moroccan immigrant community, promote the regional autogyro industry, and secure comfortable holiday accommodations in Ibiza for ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the European Union.
Posted by: Seafarious || 12/13/2003 12:48:46 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  ? "... full rights to heated teat-graspers ..." ? Just a tease (:-)>
Posted by: Glenn (not Reynolds) || 12/13/2003 4:08 Comments || Top||

#2  iowahawk is a scream! One comment mentioned he is gonna blog. Now that would be a worthy read, IMO, though I don't know if he's insane enough to keep this level up all the time. Maybe... Scott Ott does exist, so it's possible!
Posted by: .com || 12/13/2003 4:39 Comments || Top||

#3  Stick your Constitution for the European Union where the sun don't shine.
Posted by: Yorkshireman || 12/13/2003 15:48 Comments || Top||


Germany defends al-Qaeda trial
Germany said it had no choice but to supply a court with evidence that led to the release of a man on trial over the 11 September attacks. A Hamburg judge freed Abdelghani Mzoudi on Thursday after a secret source had testified he was not part of the cell that planned the suicide hijacks. Prosecutors are now trying to prevent the conviction of another man on the same charge from being quashed. Washington has suggested Germany failed to handle the Mzoudi case effectively.
Sounds like it, doesn't it?
Mr Mzoudi, a Moroccan was originally charged with being an accessory to the murders of more than 3,000 people who died in the attacks in New York and Washington. The evidence which led to his release is widely believed to be based on testimony obtained from an al-Qaeda leader being held in US custody. A spokeswoman for the German justice ministry said on Friday that the government had been obliged to pass on the testimony to the Hamburg court. Under German law, the authorities are obliged to supply evidence which could favour a defendant. "These documents were seen as material, or important, for this trial," the spokeswoman told a government news conference. "How the court evaluates the evidence, the sources, the witnesses, is a matter for the independent court," she added. A lawyer for another Moroccan convicted and jailed on identical charges as those against Mr Mzoudi, has said he will demand the immediate release of his client on the basis of the new testimony.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 12/13/2003 12:09:44 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  It looks like the Rantburg community is not biting, Dan. For good reasons. Because it's all too easy to kick the ball back all the way to Washington.

US authorities have been extremely unhelpful in this case. German prosecutors were not given anything at all.. no access to witnesses held in "secret locations", no protocols from US interrogations... nothing. And the info the German BND got from the CIA and others was labeled top secret and NOT to be used at court. The BND of course doesn't want to jeopardize its access to this intelligence, so it obstructed the trial as well. So all they had in Hamburg was the fact that Mzoudi was helpful in finding an apartment and wiring money to a member of the cell in Afghanistan. Nothing to prove that Mzoudi knew anything about the 9/11 plan. Since we know now that 9/11 was not planned in Hamburg but in Afghanistan all the Hamburg judges had was... guilt by association. This is not a crime in Germany, unless you can prove that the defendant at least suspected something.

Secrecy, necessary or not, is a bitch... at least for courts that stick by the rules established for all... IN DUBIO PRO REO

Now what happens? Finally the U.S. forks over some summary about the questioning of Binalshib... a few pages of probably hundreds of documents. An Binashib is quoted saying, nope, Mzoudi didn't know nutting. Now do we have to believe this? Probably not. But why on earth does Ashcroft hand over exactly these lines to the German "FBI", the BKA, with the demand that this intelligence may only be used for... intelligence, not for the trial, fully aware of the fact that the BKA can't withold this kind of evidence (if it did it would commit a crime). So it has to act. And because the BKA cannot question Binalshib about this exoneration, it has to assume that his assertion is valid or can't at least not be refuted. And I suppose that Binalshib had his share of giggle juice, right?

So why does the U.S. fork over exactly THIS info? Several possibilities.

1) The Americans are really nice: They don't want an innocent languish in jail (insert sarcasm tags here).
2) The Americans wanted this trial to fail to
a) make the Germans look bad (less likely)
b) prove their point that regular trials don't work and that presumed terrorists can only be dealt with properly on naval brigs or in Gitmo (my guess as Ashcroft already gloated over the fact that ONLY America knows how to deal properly with terrorists).
c) make the Germans release Mzoudi, kick him to Morocco where the Americans will declare him the winner of some free Caribbean vacation (Mzoudi just applied for political asylum to avoid that, he ain't dumb!)

I might remind you of a trial in Alexandria, Va, where judge Brinkema faces the same uphill battle with Moussaoui.

You may have noticed that Washington hasn't been too vocal about all this. They know why.

Don't throw sticks at a running man and then accuse him of stumbling.
Posted by: True German Ally || 12/13/2003 11:25 Comments || Top||

#2  TGA - not me, bro - I do not know enough about the specifics of this case nor German Law to comment intelligently - and in Law, the specifics are everything. I wanted to add a comment that we understand their dilemma. Same shit happens in the US legal system: the rules are the rules. We bitch and moan about it, but it works so we don't actually presume to mess it up with special case exceptions. See? I told you I didn't know enough. Now I've gone and proven it. Sheesh. ;-)
Posted by: .com || 12/13/2003 11:36 Comments || Top||

#3  Just a thought: think they turned him and all of this hand-wringing and anguish about having to let him go is his cover?

Regards Ashcroft - he ranks right down there with Snow when it comes to my opinion of Dubya's cabinet. I know three center-right accomplished legal beagles who could run circles around him in diplomacy, interrogation strategy, PR, Law, and courtroom tactics. And I only know four lawyers I wouldn't kill out of hand myself, given the chance.

Regards German Law in the few instances I have seen it in action - the only real complaint I have is those short short short sentences and no death penalty for those who do NOT deserve to breathe our air. Saddam and OBL come to mind rather easily as examples. That sort does, indeed, exist and I can't imagine you disagreeing - am I off the mark on this?
Posted by: .com || 12/13/2003 12:07 Comments || Top||

#4  The US Gov't has shrouded the 9/11 plot in a veil of secrecy. This was partly a result of the '90s bureaucratic reflex to deny or, failing that, minimize terrorist attacks. When it became clear that it couldn't be denied, the government still covered it up due to fear of lawsuits against the airlines. Add to that George Bush's sense that we're all a bunch of frightened children who need to be shielded from the truth, and you get this mess.

There is really no legitimate security reason to keep these secrets. We don't need to keep it secret from Al Qaeda, because they were there. They already know what happened.

The only thing this secrecy accomplishes is to hamstring the USG in our fight against the terrorists. It gives the "Bush Knew!" crowd leeway, it restricts our allies (see above), it gives opponents to the war more cover.
Posted by: Pete Stanley || 12/13/2003 16:05 Comments || Top||

#5  It may surprise you but I'm against the death penalty... for personal and practical reasons. The latter have to do with the fact that a punishment that is dealt out after 20 years of appeals and a million dollars of taxpayer's money spent isn't the most effective way to deal out justice.

I can't see OBL at court either. A public trial in NY, with years of CNN "legal experts" commenting, puhleeze. A secret trial in Gitmo would be underwhelming instead. Nope, these genetic aberrations are best served with a missile... case closed.
Posted by: True German Ally || 12/13/2003 19:30 Comments || Top||

#6  TGA,
I am a conservative American that doesn't care much for the death penalty either. I don't have any argument with the family of the victims seeking vengance, but for others I think a capital trial becomes an untimate game show for them to watch. The trully evil deeds that some of this slime has perpetrated tend to become trivialized.

It's almost like the sicko gets the acclaim an noteriety that he craves. It seems more fitting to shelve our psycho's underground where there is no society and no sunlight. They can exist until they die in annonimity. I prefer federal charges where a life sentence means no parole. Then we don't have to see Charles Manson on parade every few years.

As for the prosecution of this clown, I certainly don't fault the German courts. Western legal systems are set up to presume innocence - that's as it should be. It frustrates everyone when a scumbag walks, but it really means that our societies are strong. I am hoping that the encourages all free people to understand that immigration and anti-terrorism policies are important enough that everyone whould pay attention and debate what is going on.

Posted by: Super Hose || 12/13/2003 21:14 Comments || Top||


Fifth Column
Just who was the Safa Group donating too?
Nine days after the federal government raided their homes and businesses, leaders of an alleged terror financing operation were given the opportunity to question the agency investigating them. The meeting on March 29, 2002, in the office of Rep. Frank Wolf (R-Va.) is an example of the political clout of what the government calls the "Safa Group," a web of companies and nonprofits based in northern Virginia.

One week later, former Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neill met with Muslim leaders with connections to the Safa Group to hear complaints about the raids. The leaders are suspected of running more than 100 businesses and charities that have allegedly supported the Palestinian Islamic Jihad-Shikaki Faction and Hamas, two organizations the government has designated as terrorist groups, according to a 132-page affidavit written by David Kane, an investigator with the Department of Homeland Security’s Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency. He filed the document to support a government request for a warrant to search 29 properties in Virginia, a Georgia poultry business and other undisclosed locations on March 20, 2002. The men who run the companies haven’t been charged with any crime and, through their lawyer, have denied any connections to terrorism.
"Terrorism? Us? No, no! Certainly not!"
Several men suspected of connections to the Safa Group have donated to political campaigns on both sides of the aisle. The men have given more than $84,000 since 1990 to a variety of federal candidates and political groups, including $5,500 to Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham, a Michigan Republican, and $4,000 to former Rep. Lee Hamilton, an Indiana Democrat, according to the Center for Responsive Politics, a political watchdog group. The campaign contributions included more than $15,000 to Rep. Jim Moran, a Virginia Democrat. "I had no reason not to accept it," Moran said. "I was happy to have anyone’s money support."
Moran, incidentally, is the same guy who accused America’s Jews of getting us into the war in Iraq.
But Moran returned the money after reading press accounts about the federal investigation. "I didn’t want to be associated in any way with a group that condoned or supported any form of terrorism," he said.
"Not me, buddy! My ass is covered! Now, if I can just live down those remarks about the Jooooos..."
Other donations include $10,600 to former Rep. Cynthia McKinney, a Georgia Democrat with long-standing support from Arab-Americans because of her call for more attention to the Palestinian side of the Middle East conflict. McKinney could not be reached for comment.
McKinney, like more Moran, seems to be long on spittle and short on sanity ...
Kane’s affidavit alleges that the main leaders of the Safa Group of companies include Yacub Mirza, Jamal Barzinji, Ahmad Totonji, Muhammad Ashraf, Hisham Altalib, Cherif Sedky, Mohammed Jaghlit and Taha Alalwani, a naturalized American citizen who runs an Islamic graduate school where nine of the 12 Muslim chaplains in the U.S. military have been trained.
This would be the leadership one level down from Alamoudi. Or maybe a level above him, he having been a front man...
When asked about the March 29 meeting, Wolf’s press secretary would only say the meeting took place, the raids were discussed and the individuals the government calls the Safa Group are Wolf’s constituents. "We don’t talk about private meetings," said Dan Scandling, Wolf’s press secretary.
"It's just too... embarrassing."
Khaled Saffuri, head of the Washington-based Islamic Free Market Institute Foundation, was at the April 4 luncheon with the former treasury secretary. GOP heavyweight Grover Norquist, a former board member of the foundation, said the group is not political; rather it is focused on educational issues such as promoting the belief that the Quran’s teachings do not conflict with a free society. Norquist has urged the Republican Party to open its doors to Muslims as well as other minority groups. "People think that George Bush and Texas are hicksville and they don’t have Muslims there," Norquist said. "They are wrong."
I think Norquist has pretty much shot his credibility by now...
Saffuri, who has met with many top-level administration officials in recent years, including Secretary of State Colin Powell and FBI Director Robert Mueller, is also listed in Federal Election Committee reports as the treasurer of National Muslims for a Greater America, a defunct political action committee that received $5,200 from people connected to the Safa Group investigation. In an interview, Saffuri said the institute received a total of $20,000 from the Safa Trust, one of the nonprofit organizations under investigation. The money went to pay for educational lectures on Islam, he said. Saffuri said he has known members of the so-called Safa Group since the late 1980s. He said they have been caught up in a government fishing expedition, and the meeting with O’Neill was held to dispute the methods of the raids. "No one in the meeting asked why did you raid the Safa Group?" Saffuri said. "We weren’t there to question the raids, but the methods by which they were conducted."
Sounds like they thought they'd bought some protection somewhere along the line, doesn't it?
In addition, the affidavit ties the Safa Group to Abdurahman M. Alamoudi, a politically connected Muslim activist, who was welcomed at the White House by former President Bill Clinton and President Bush for his work on behalf of Muslim causes. Alamoudi recently pleaded not guilty to an 18-count federal indictment alleging that he laundered money and violated immigration and customs laws by accepting $340,000 from the Libyan government, which the government considers a state sponsor of terrorism. The $84,000 in contributions came from several of the alleged principals of the Safa Group and Alamoudi.
Alamoudi's the reason their investment didn't really buy them any protection...
Posted by: Dan Darling || 12/13/2003 12:27:28 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Well, I certainly hope the FBI took the opportunity to get all those mutts in Wolf's office on camera. If they turn up in Islamabad handing suitcases of cash to the ISI/Taliban, we'll pretty much know they're card-carrying terrorists.
Posted by: 4thInfVet || 12/13/2003 0:56 Comments || Top||

#2  McKinney could not be reached for comment.

Sure enough, her number at the House Office Building has been disconnected!
Posted by: Steve White || 12/13/2003 1:12 Comments || Top||

#3  No one in the meeting asked why did you raid the Safa Group?" Saffuri said. "We weren’t there to question the raids, but the methods by which they were conducted."

Bravo, clap, clap clap! I nominate this to the "Meaning Of Is" award.
Posted by: B || 12/13/2003 3:29 Comments || Top||

#4  Hmmm. I want a meeting with Snow, too. I wanna talk about this defacto weak-dollar policy. It's playing havoc with the exchange rate of my US$ to Thai baht. I guess I can just ring him up and get an appointment, right? Safa guys did, so...

Fred, do we have a Hall of Shame somewhere in Rantburg? Might need one to keep track of everyone who's taking contributions - and Cabinet members giving appointments to SIGs like this - I don't care WHAT their agenda is. These people are not due such access, unless every America citizen is afforded the same. This stinks.
Posted by: .com || 12/13/2003 4:51 Comments || Top||

#5  .com Why not short the $ to the extend necessary to safeguard yourself?
Posted by: Shipman || 12/13/2003 7:56 Comments || Top||

#6  Ship - to a degree, I have. Saw the trend and burned a bunch of bucks at once into baht. I'll be back in LA for New Years. I might come back here cuz a guy is making noises about me starting an Internet biz with him. Lawyer's looking at it now. If good, I'll come back at the end of Jan. If not, then I'll go to Vegas, buy a car with Nevada registration, then figure out where to live and start a biz in Nevada. Hey, shit happens, eh?
Posted by: .com || 12/13/2003 8:07 Comments || Top||

#7  I'll come back at the end of Jan. If not, then I'll go to Vegas, buy a car

You strike me as someone who needs something in the way of a 1973 Impala Convertible.
Posted by: Shipman || 12/13/2003 14:19 Comments || Top||

#8  Make that a 56, 57, or 63 2-door with a 327 and we're talking turkey! My 2 true loves, however, were the 67 GTO 389 4spd stick (You need to own Exxon stock with that triple deuce - it has a sucking sound almost as loud as the flight of US companies to Mexico after the signing of NAFTA - and that's saying something!) and the 68 Mustang California Special Coupe with Shelby's HP289 / 4spd stick / flared fenders with Mickey Thompsons. I severed 2 drive shafts at the differential in the 'Stang - the "grip" was there, man. I've kicked myself a thousand times for not hanging onto one of these two cars - or both! Sigh.

If we're talking wet dream, shit - that's easy: King Cobra Roadster! What was it? 660 BHP on pump gas? Break your damned neck in the whiplash if you dumped it at 5500 - and the clutch and drive-shaft survived! Old Carrol Shelby sure knew how to build a high-torque tire-rippin go-fast muscle car! I get stoked just remembering those days...
Posted by: .com || 12/13/2003 16:10 Comments || Top||


Great White North
Canada kicks the bums (chretien) out; new PM Martin to repair U.S. relations
Paul Martin became Canada’s 21st prime minister on Friday and immediately announced sweeping reforms, declaring a wish to bring in "a new agenda of change and achievement" ahead of an election expected for next May.
IOW, we’re going to quit pissing on the U.S. flag
Martin, pledging to "restore the tone" of ties with the United States, created a new cabinet committee on Canada-U.S. relations and appointed a special parliamentary secretary to help smooth dealings with Washington.
"I only hope I can repair the damage that idiot Chretien has done"
He also promised to give legislators a more effective role in Parliament and he introduced several measures designed to make government less prone to the kinds of spending scandals that dogged Chretien’s last years in power.
"quit acting like the damn french!"
Martin picked western Canadians for the two most powerful jobs — finance and deputy prime minister — in a switch from Chretien’s era when those posts were always held by people from the central provinces of Ontario and Quebec.
Finally, the turds from Quebec are being kicked out; the only thing worse than a frenchman is a WANNABE frenchman
Martin wants to cut into western Canadian alienation, a phenomenon that has minimized Liberal seats in the region.
he knows the Western Provs want to secede and join the United States
Alberta’s Anne McLellan, formerly health minister, became deputy prime minister and heads the new public safety ministry, intended to mirror the U.S. Homeland Security Department.
"Yeah, all you frenchies? FIRED! Git out, don’t let the door hit you in the etc., etc.,.
Stephen Harper, a leader in the opposition Conservative Party, said Martin should have fired all Chretien’s ministers.
we should be so lucky
"For all the talk of real change and a major shake-up at the top levels of government, this was more illusion than revolution. Paul Martin shuffled the deck, but the front bench is still the same bunch of jokers," he said.
give them some rope, let them hang themselves
Pratt stood out against the government’s opposition to the U.S. war on Iraq and wants more military spending to boost what many see as Canada’s dwindling influence abroad.
obviously one of the ’GOOD’ canadians; there were a few good frenchmen and even a few good germans after WW2, also
Posted by: 4thInfVet || 12/13/2003 12:14:12 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  he knows the Western Provs want to secede and join the United States

That's half-right: they might want to secede. But they'd never, ever join the States. Wouldn't happen in a hundred years. They like us just fine, but they also like that border. I've got friends up there, and when you visit Winnipeg, Calgary, Vancouver, etc., you realize that it IS a different country.
Posted by: Steve White || 12/13/2003 1:14 Comments || Top||

#2  he knows the Western Provs want to secede and join the United States

When hell freezes over - these provinces may be conservative for Canada, but they're well to the left of even California. If admitted to the Union, they'd be instant Democratic states. Since the pattern is for one Democratic state and one Republican state, I don't see any Canadian provinces being added to the US anytime soon. At the very least, they'd have to spend decades being Federal territories before being admitted. I don't see them agreeing to that. Note also that Western Canada is also where a lot of Asian immigrants have ended up, most of whom are pretty anti-American - we don't need more fifth columnists in this country.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 12/13/2003 1:33 Comments || Top||

#3  ... they'd never, ever join the States

Hmmm. That's interesting. I spent some (too much) time in Edmonton, just about everyone I talked to (i.e. bartenders and patrons) were curious about the process of how a state would go about joining the union. My response, other than a drunken "huh?" was a mumbled something about 4/5ths states voting for such and such, a pinch of thyme, some wildberry root, and whathaveyou (that canadian beer has some kick, eh) BOOM you're a state!

Then they started talking about the Oilers and I was lost. But I KNOW they consider joining the Union an alternative. It's a popular idea, at least among the drunks in Edmonton that I met (not that i went to many green party meeting while i was there).

ps. i was doing job for a charity, so i know they were hardly your average canadian fascist
Posted by: 4thInfVet || 12/13/2003 1:38 Comments || Top||

#4  but they're well to the left of even California.

That's hard to believe. California is just plain el whacko.
Posted by: Rafael || 12/13/2003 7:56 Comments || Top||

#5  Martin and Chretien have one thing in common. They are absolutely humorless.
Posted by: Tancred || 12/13/2003 10:39 Comments || Top||

#6  Rafael, come on now thats not quite true, San Francisco, LA and San Diego (not to mention Berkley) have been giving the rest of Cali a bad name. If you go to the San Joaquin Valley or just about any other place further inland theres a lot more conservatives out there, heck if you just look at the way the counties vote it shows that something like 2/3rds of them are republican voters. Its just that those by the sea cities have such a huge population it drowns out the saner voices (hence why SF is now choosing between a green party member and a far lefty democrat for mayor).
Posted by: Val || 12/13/2003 15:31 Comments || Top||

#7  I grew up in Edmonton and live in the US now. I doubt that Western Canadians would want to join the US. I think they more or less want to go out on their own and form their own independent country. They really have and are still getting a raw deal from the Feds. Also, Edmonton is a very left-wing city, though Alberta is generally conservative; Manitoba just elected an NDP (i.e. socialist) premier; and BC is pretty much run by Vancouver, which is so left-wing that it makes California look like Texas.

Personally, I don’t think Martin will make things that better (though it is difficult to do much worse). He’s still left-wing and originally from Quebec, which to me says multitudes. These Western Canadian appointments were just window dressing and the policies won’t change that much. I think you will definitely see a less hostile (at least overtly) attitude towards the US, which isn’t a bad thing. Besides, Chretien’s anti-American stance was very popular with most Canadians. It is just the business community that wanted things to cool down as they have so much to lose in lost exports.

As for the comment about the Asian immigrants being anti-American, I disagree. Most Asian immigrants to Canada are from Hong Kong and couldn’t give two shits about the US or its policies. In fact, I would say that most of them would have preferred to immigrate here rather than Canada. They aren’t generally patriotic Canadians either. Most of them went to Canada to flee the impending communist rule of HK and obtain Canadian citizenship, which is the easiest to obtain among any Western nation. After they get their citizenship, they fly back to HK where they can make the big bucks because they know they won’t make money in Canada.
Posted by: LJ || 12/13/2003 20:34 Comments || Top||

#8  As for the comment about the Asian immigrants being anti-American, I disagree. Most Asian immigrants to Canada are from Hong Kong and couldn’t give two shits about the US or its policies.

Actually, Hong Kong immigrants are among the most pro-Chinese and anti-American folks you will find. They got foreign passports because Western governments mistakenly increased their immigration quotas (in the post-handover era) for Hong Kong out of sympathy, in the event of any potential political repression by the Chinese government. Hong Kongers have taken advantage of this loophole to get escape hatches, without necessarily transferring their loyalties from the Chinese government.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 12/13/2003 23:41 Comments || Top||


India-Pakistan
Chemical pen pistol found in Kashmir
A lethal chemical pen pistol has been recovered in Jammu and Kashmir, the first such weapon to be found during the 14-year-long insurgency in the state, police said.
The 6.35mm pistol and 25 cartridges were recovered from north Kashmir’s Handwara town.
Men of the Rashtriya Rifles and the local police recovered the arms during a raid on the house of a man named Bashir Ahmad Khan in Nagrimalpora village, 10km from Handwara town in Kupwara district, police said.
“We recovered a pen pistol of 6.35mm bore and 25 cartridges that were marked Neuroxin and BA (which could stand for biological agent),” a police officer said.
“When we tried to open one of the cartridges to find out what the charge inside was, it emitted obnoxious fumes and a constable suffered giddiness.The cartridges are being sent for chemical and biological examination.We suspect the cartridges contain some poisonous gas and the pen pistol used to fire them could be a chemical weapon,” the officer said.
Though the weapon has very short range, police suspect it could prove lethal if fired.
This is the first time such a weapon has been recovered since a separatist movement began in Kashmir in 1989. Thus far, only conventional weapons have been seized from the militants.
Posted by: TS || 12/13/2003 3:37:29 PM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  James Bond, call your office...
Posted by: Ptah || 12/13/2003 21:52 Comments || Top||

#2  6.35mm? Thats a helluva big bullet for a pen.
Posted by: Val || 12/14/2003 0:33 Comments || Top||


The grand Deobandi consensus
Since Fred yesterday wondered why members of the Naqshbandi Sufi sect would be assisting Deobandi sectarian outfits I managed to locate this old article (2000) I remember reading, although it is probably of little interest to anyone else.
The civil war in Afghanistan and the jehad in Kashmir have gradually veered to a Deobandi consensus. The dominant Hizb e-Islami of Hekmatyar lost favour with the Pakistani establishment in the mid-1990s. In its place, the Taliban of Mullah Umar, trained in the traditional Deobandi jurisprudence, enjoy popularity in Pakistan. In a parallel development, the Wahhabi or Ahle Hadith warriors have gained strength. The most effective jehadi outfit based in Lahore is Lashkar-e-Taiba, functioning as a subordinate branch of Dawat al-Irshad, an organisation with contacts in the Arab world, collecting jehad funds among the expatriate Muslim communities in the West.

The third strand of fundamentalist movement which seems attracted to the Wahabi-Deobandi combine in Afghanistan, is the Naqshbandiya. Most of the Muslim-populated North Caucasian region in Russia follows the shrine-worshipping mystical order of the Naqshbandiya. The uprising in Chechnya and its incursion into Dagestan is turning the Naqshbandi followers to the more strict orthodoxy of the Saudi-based Wahhabi order. In Afghanistan, the naqshbandi faith is represented by Sibghatullah Mujadiddi, Afghanistan’s first president chosen by the mujahideen in exile in Peshawar in 1989. Mujaddidi is a descendant of Sheikh Ahmad of Sirhind who led a mystical movement of purification under Emperor Jehangir and was greatly admired by Islamic revivalist movements in India. It is a measure of the greatness of Sheikh Ahmad that the Naqshbandis of Afghanistan, Central Asia, North Caucusus and Turkey are all Mujaddidi today.

All three movements, the Deobandi, the Ahle Hadith-Wahhabi, and Naqshbandi-Mudaddidi (in India), are against innovation in Islamic rituals. They oppose the eclecticism that developed among Muslims under the Mughals and wished to separate local accretion from the pure Islamic faith. The founder of the Naqshbandi order, Shaikh Ahmad, compelled the Mughal king Jehangir to persecute the Muslim mystical orders that had developed a spiritual consensus with Hindus and Sikhs. The other preoccupation of the Naqshbandis in India was opposition to the Shiite faith developing in the South of India and in the northern province of Oudh. Shaikh Ahmad had decreed that the Shiites were apostates and had to be put to the sword.
Kinda like the Paks and Banglas want to do with the Ahmadiyya...
In Pakistan, only one armed (Naqshbandi) religious outfit called Tanzeem al-Ikhwan is active under the aggressive leadership of Maulana Akram Awan. Based on the mystical teachings of Shaikh Ahmad, the madrassa run by him in Chakwal is said to have close links with the army. In the investigations that followed the 1995 unsuccessful military coup in Pakistan, led by Islamist officers, his name is said to have cropped up in the list of the accused, but was allegedly removed from the findings because of his close army connections.

Ahah... The plot thickens, even while the butter clarifies. In Pakland, and Central Asia to the Caucasus, we can't look at sects, or what they purport to stand for, but at who's linked to whom and what direction they're moving. The ultimate direction is that of opposition to any kind of innovation, driven by wahhabi philosophy (or at least theology). To my uneducated eye, there's not much difference any more between the Deobandis and the Ahle Hadith. The Brelvis, in the care of Noorani's JUP, tromp in lockstep in the same direction. And now the "peaceful" Naqshbandis show up with their own Fahne hoch.

In the mere space of about 35 years, the Soddies have managed to set this movement — you could almost describe it as an innovation — in motion, sweeping the Middle East and Central Asia. And now they've lost control of it, which would be funny if not for all the corpses it entails.
Posted by: Paul Moloney || 12/13/2003 3:10:09 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


Kashmir Korpse Kount
Five people were killed in continuing rebel violence in Kashmir, a police spokesman said. He said Friday the two rebels were killed overnight in the southern Kashmir district of Poonch during an encounter sparked by a "cordon and search" operation by Indian troops. He said that in another incident suspected militants shot dead a Muslim civilian, named as Sajjad Ahmed, overnight in the Kralgund village of northern Kupwara district. Police said suspected rebels killed two more civilians in southern Anantnag, and central Budgam districts overnight and Friday. The motive for the civilian killings was not known.

Violence by rebels — who are fighting to end Indian rule in Kashmir — has persisted in the restive region despite a two-week old ceasefire by the Indian and Pakistani armies along their shared borders in Kashmir. The violence has left 98 people dead, including 60 rebels, since the truce began on November 26. Meanwhile, 25 bullets from a pen-pistol siezed Friday by police near Handwara town, 85 kilometers (53 miles) north of the summer capital Srinagar, have been sent to a police laboratory for analysis, police said. The bullets marked "Neuroxene" and "BA" were sent for examination after a constable fell unconcious after breaking one of them open.
Uhhh... That's a bad sign.
Posted by: Paul Moloney || 12/13/2003 12:50:44 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "The violence has left 98 people dead, including 60 rebels, since the truce began on November 26."
Interesting truce.

"25 bullets from a pen-pistol... marked "Neuroxene" and "BA" were sent for examination after a constable fell unconcious after breaking one of them open."
Uh, oh, is right. Methinks medieval time is upon us, if this is what it appears to be...

So, there's this 40km wide strip along the Eastern coast of Saudi Arabia that provides the funding for the vast majority of the asshat terror in the world and...
Posted by: .com || 12/13/2003 4:59 Comments || Top||

#2  I googled for neuroxene and got zero hits. Anyone know anything about what it might be (I guess it's a neurotoxin of some sort).
Posted by: Tony (UK) || 12/13/2003 6:11 Comments || Top||


Iraq
Bush: U.S. Expects Overcharge Money Back
President Bush said Friday the United States will expect Vice President Dick Cheney’s former company to pay back money that it is suspected of overcharging the government on contract work in Iraq. "If there’s an overcharge, like we think there is, we expect that money be repaid," the president told reporters. A Pentagon audit found Cheney’s former company may have overcharged the Army by $1.09 per gallon for nearly 57 million gallons of gasoline delivered to citizens in Iraq, senior defense officials say. "I appreciate the Pentagon looking after the taxpayers’ money," the president said. "They felt like there was an overcharge issue." Bush said the Pentagon put the issue "right out there on the table for everybody to see and they’re doing good work. We’re going to make sure that as we spend money in Iraq, that it’s spent well, it’s spent wisely. "Their investigation will lay the facts out for everybody to see," Bush said.
Fair enough, do this a few things and it’ll blunt the Dean claims about the snugness of the administration with Halliburton et al.

I'm curious about the fact that Halliburton has apparently changed its name to "Cheney's Former Company, Inc." Did anyone but me notice that the old, unused, Halliburton name didn't occur once in the entire AP article?

Given the usual political playbook, it doesn't matter at this point what CFC, Inc. does or the government does. Give the money back? They're guilty and they got caught. Resolve the overcharges, showing where the additional costs were? The fix is in, courtesy of Cheney. Go out of business? They did it to protect Cheney. Put all the corporate officers in jug? They took the fall for Dick. Get the idea?
Posted by: Steve White || 12/13/2003 1:38:16 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Fair Enough????????????

Lets see now...come on in and steal my money, and Oh, if you get caught...you'll have to pay it back?

To me this sound like a rank and smelly invitation to come back and steal again...Hey, maybe you won't get caught this time....(snort!)

This is War Profiteering on the worst order...just double charge on the gasoline our troops need to get around on...they are directly profiting on the blood and death of our soldiers.

Everybody at Halliburton should be on the next bus to a Federal Prison.

But Noooooooo...They are too close to Bush/Cheney to have any worry at all.

This should be enought to make anyone here puke and realize that maybe not now, maybe not even in the '04 election, but this Bush Administration is going to go down in history as the most corrupt since Harding or even maybe Grant.

Everyone should be so ashamed that our President isn't calling for the resignation and imprisonment of Everybody involved.

Let us hang our heads!

Rant over.
Posted by: Traveller || 12/13/2003 2:46 Comments || Top||

#2  Except Halliburton didn't profit by it Traveller. The local companies they outsourced to over there overcharged Halliburton/KBR for gasoline as well as other supplies, Halliburton/KBR documented those prices and submitted them. Get a clue.
Posted by: Val || 12/13/2003 4:42 Comments || Top||

#3  Even the Beeb reported it - exactly as Val said - and that had to hurt like hell!

Traveller - you're a troll masquerading as a nice reasonable guy. You write oddly-spaced messages. You foam like an LLL NaziMedia ProTool. Piss off.
Posted by: .com || 12/13/2003 5:02 Comments || Top||

#4  Get a Clue? A Troll? To Be fair, I did go and read the BBC article:
"They also said the firm had been planning to charge $67m too much for another contract to supply cafeteria services.
The officials said KBR was not suspected of having profited improperly but may have failed to monitor the performance of its subcontractors."

The reference is to the Pentagon saying KBR was not suspected...and who wants to bite the hand that will eventually feed you with a nice fat consulting gig? There are so many ways to for subsidaries to flow kick backs from subs that the mind boggles.

Gentlemen this is your tax money being stolen with your explicit aproval. Have it your way. Corruption and cronyism are the bains of a truly free society. This would not happen under McCain. I can only rage that the political class in the United States leaves us no choice but between Bush, (a phony conservative running a 500B deficit & a crook) and what is coming to seem like on a bunch of clowns on the Dem side. This poverty of leadership choices may not distress you, but it does me.
Posted by: Traveller || 12/13/2003 5:57 Comments || Top||

#5  When I called my brother the other day to tell him that my youngest son's Guard unit had gotten called up for duty over in Iraq, his immediate reaction was to launch into a tirade about Cheney, Halliburton, Enron, and other imagined evils of the "corrupt" Bush administration. I didn't hang up on him, but I came damn close.

This is a microcosm version of what's happening to our society overall: roughly two-thirds of us realize that we're at war, in a fight for our very existance against an evil even more threatening than was Soviet Communism, and that we've got to stand together in a united front if we are to have any chance of prevailing; but the remaining third have wandered off, duped by Democratic Party propaganda into resuming their jihad against Bush and the Republican Party, in a quest to get "revenge" for the 2000 Florida recount. To them, Bush is the "real" enemy.

The Democratic Party presidential candidates have cynically chosen to exploit this struggle for political gain by sowing fear, pessimism and distrust of the administration's conduct of the war. They're also doing it with rank dishonesty: looking at their past public statements about Iraq, Saddam, WMD, etc., it's hard to believe that any of these people (with the possible exception of Dippy Dennis) actually believes so much as a single word of the bullshit they're now spewing out.

To me, the worst part of what the Democrats are doing is that they're actively encouraging the Islamic fanatics and Ba'athist holdouts to keep killing American soldiers in the hopes that we'll do what we did in Somalia: cut and run when the going gets too tough. Because of the Democratic Party's dishonesty and lust for power, and the image of weakness they are projecting, it is very likely that hundreds more American soldiers will get killed before the Islamofascists finally figure out that we're not leaving.

I was a Democrat for the first 31 years of my adult life, but no more. I can forgive being lied to incessantly about Medicare, taxes, social security, racism and the environment, but I cannot forgive their lying about a life-and-death matter like the war.

Nor can I forgive ignorant, soft-headed jerks like "Traveller" their stupidity: there's no excuse for it.
Posted by: Dave D. || 12/13/2003 6:54 Comments || Top||

#6  Duh, Dave, where in the Rantburg Charter is the paragraph that says that Rantburg is a Criticize-Free-Zone for President Chimp? Does this really pass your smell test? Is all honest criticism unpatriotic and giving aide and comfort to the Enemy? I expect better from the President of the United States.
No, that's not right, I demand better than the venal appearance of greedy self-dealing from our Commander in Chief. If the troops are groaning over this...they have the right. It is their blood on the line. Pisst, come 'ere, let me whisper in your ear...this stinks, doesn't it? Be honest now. Come 'on, you can do it...tell the truth, You're no happier about this than I.
Posted by: Traveller || 12/13/2003 7:30 Comments || Top||

#7  Traveller why don't you demand the same of Amnesty International's condemnations of "war crimes" and "violations" as in regard to the US? Why don't you demand the same of the French, Germand and Russian governments in regards to dealing with Iraq pre- and post war? And DEFINITELY why don't you demand the same kind of accountancy from the democratic candidates in what they say they want to do? Hmm? Is it probably because you're a hypocrite like so many on the left?
Posted by: Val || 12/13/2003 7:36 Comments || Top||

#8  DaveD - Good post, bro, and you sum up some of it in exceptional style. This bit brings up another question:

"To me, the worst part of what the Democrats are doing is that they're actively encouraging the Islamic fanatics and Ba'athist holdouts to keep killing American soldiers in the hopes that we'll do what we did in Somalia: cut and run when the going gets too tough. Because of the Democratic Party's dishonesty and lust for power, and the image of weakness they are projecting, it is very likely that hundreds more American soldiers will get killed before the Islamofascists finally figure out that we're not leaving."

Indeed. I've written den Beste on this topic to ask him to consider analyzing the point at which dissent becomes sedition. I think it's a fair question - and given the fact that their campaign isn't drawing like they hoped it would, they have fallen to new lows in directly calling for Americans to be killed by "insurgents" and that this is the price "we" must pay because Bush is Prez. The SF Banner calling on troops to kill their officers was the beginning of seditious activity to me - and these recent calls for more dead GIs to further their personal agendas is the end.

So are we there yet? If not, what does it take? If we are then let's send these shitheads to meet Bubba. Bubba needs a new squeeze, methinks, and these cretins would do just fine.
Posted by: .com || 12/13/2003 7:36 Comments || Top||

#9  .com:

Yes, we're there already: the Dems crossed over the line into outright sedition many months ago.

Traveller:

Believe me, my addle-brained little friend: you don't ever want to get close enough to me to whisper in my ear. I am NOT pleased that my son has to go off to war so that idiots like you won't have to live under sharia.

General note: looking at Traveller's response to my earlier comment, it occurs to me that people like him actually think in strawman arguments. I've long been critical of idiotarians for their tendency to resort to strawman arguments as a debating tactic; but it never occurred to me that this is probably how their fuzzy little brains actually work.

Poor, sick bastards.
Posted by: Dave D. || 12/13/2003 7:51 Comments || Top||

#10  Traveller - Much cleaner post, though your demands ring hollow. Calling Bush a chimp is a NaziMedia twit move. You want an honest debate? Save the *eye-roll* and posit facts. The fact is as Val stated it. If it weren't, the Beeb would've had a field day. They were, unlike you, but to my amazament, respectful of the fact that Halliburton was merely living by the contract specs and that Bush said we will keep 'em honest. Halliburton didn't profit from it - the problem is MilSpec, man. You must not have experience with the US Govt Military Procurement Procedures. Everything is over-speced to the nth degree to cover the asses of the procurement office. The result, quite often, is that you and I pay a higher price because only 1 out of 100 suppliers meets all of the specs -- or is willing to even try. That IS a worthy battle to fight, but in this case you've chosen the wrong enemy.

Even if you don't respect the man, and you may be surprised to know I was a McCain supporter back in the Pubes Primary, respect the office. Dubya earned my personal respect when he became a true leader on and after 9/11. Prior to that he didn't have it, but the office did. He had been my Gov in Tx, didn't have it then, either. But I have no trouble in saying today that I will vote for him in 2004 because of his reaction to 9/11 and his intiatives in the WoT since. He grew into some very big shoes. And what he is doing is far more important that what you say he should be doing differently. Just passing along one man's viewpoint - no more gospel than yours.

You can contribute here if you'll play the fact game, not the "Bush Lied!" BS game. At least some of what you've written since you came on-stream here is old debunked BS. Been there / done that. That's the reason for the rather uneven reception. So check your facts before typing, else you'll have your words shoved down your throat. It's not personal, it's about truth. To quote Twain (again), "We all do no end of feeling - and mistake it for thinking." C'mon on in, the water's fine.
Posted by: .com || 12/13/2003 7:58 Comments || Top||

#11  Val: Condemn the Report from Amnesty International? Of course, it was crap! You know it was crap, I know it was crap...What is there to talk about?...lol
As to the Russian, German, and French pre-war debt? There may be something here I don't understand...I honestly don't know why we have not already declared it null and void...due and payable from the Hussein himself, if you like. Now go collect it. However, this may set a precedence that the United States does not want to become a part of, or habit, of the World Monetary System. I honestly don't know why we are hesitating in this regard...(But I do presume that President Bush knows something about this that I don't).
It is the Corporate cronyism that I object to. I think that it has the potential to poision America's future for decades to come. I presume that you know that KBR was fined $2M in 1997 for just the same shit in the deactivation of Ft. Ord. Also...."Congress' General Accounting Office found in 1997 and 2000 that KBR had billed the Army for questionable expenses on its support contracts for operations in the Balkans. Those reviews cited instances such as charging $85.98 per sheet of plywood that cost $14.06 and billing the Army for cleaning some offices up to four times per day." This stinks, and I don't care where it comes from...I'm calling a spade a spade.
As for the Ba'athist and assorted bad
guys...kill them quickly but efficently. Bush should have listened to Gen Shinseki, (fired Army Chief of Staff for giving this opinion) we needed a much bigger military foot print in Iraq, and no amount of fantasy thinking can mask this fact.
BTW, and because this is Rantburg, just to make you crazy...I believe that Hillary has been calling for more troops to be sent to Iraq for some time now. It is true that she said that she would prefer soldiers from other countries, but if not, then more troops from the US...in any event, more boots on the ground. You know, I don't care who gives this good and sage advice...it is still what is necessary and what should have been done long ago.


Posted by: Traveller || 12/13/2003 8:04 Comments || Top||

#12  Beyond the inefficiencies of military contracting in general, it's quite likely that what was going on here was the direct result of attempts on the government's side to keep their options open and to not automatically be committed to Halliburton.

Here's the gist of it:

1) DOD knows that repairing the oil infrastructure is key to Iraq's future and that that infrastructure will be a prime target in the war. So they dispatch special forces to protect key oil assets and, before going over the border, do an emergency contract with an existing contractor who is one of the best in the world at emergency and logistics services, both. This contract, while awarded without competition, mirrors the competitive logistics support bid that Halliburton won for all bases worldwide, under the Clinton administration. Since 1992 Halliburton has performed well on that original contract and successor contracts, so this looks like our best bet to get things moving.

2) One big advantage to giving this contract to Halliburton this way is that the government has a set of recently audited cost figures for Halliburton personnel, etc. Those would have been used to set prices for this contract too.

More generally, they know the way that Halliburton's books are kept, because they are regularly audited as part of normal contract management. So the only real unknowns here are the costs of materials/services supplied by subcontractors.

3) In order to keep their options open, DOD insists that they will only order fuel from Halliburton in monthly batches. This forces Halliburton to subcontract for a month at a time rather than 3-6-12 month contracts where they might get a better volume discount. No matter what the price on this, however, Halliburton's profit margin is small and fixed by the terms of the original contract.

4) Democrats raise a huge fuss and demand that Halliburton disgorge "huge overcharges". Auditors decide that they have cost comparisons to warrant refusing the materials costs submitted (i.e. the subcontractor fuel charges). Note that this sort of issue comes up all the time in a variety of federal contracts and there is a normal negotiation process by which the company defends its charges. Sometimes the companies win that argument, often there is a compromise. So having this be up for discussion is a pretty routine step.

I don't know -- and neither does anyone on this list -- whether Halliburton could indeed have negotiated tougher terms with the Kuwaitis who delivered the first months of fuel. (Realize that due to the time it takes to submit invoices and for the government to pay them, we are probably talking about the May-July time frame here.)

But what I do know is that this issue has been enormously politicized from day 1. It is absurd IMO to criticize DOD for that sole-source contract to Halliburton, for several reasons:

a) There was an immediate need for quick, reliable services. Halliburton has a proven track record and is one of the top emergency service providers in the world. It also holds the master logistics support contract for all US bases world wide - a contract awarded originally under Clinton and renewed multiple times since then based on excellent performance.

This is no small issue. Planning and executing the complex tasks needed for work like this requires a company to have a lot of corporate systems and skills already in place. There really are very few companies who could have performed well under these circumstances and arguably none have shown themselves able to do so as much as, and to the degree that Halliburton has.

b) Moreover, precisely because of that logistics master contract, the feds know Halliburton's books and costs very very well. This increased the government's ability to audit their books and ride herd on costing.

c) The Iraq contract is a master contract that is organized into task orders. In other words, it did NOT automatically give Halliburton a huge amount of business. Instead, it gave the government a way to issue purchase orders for fuel and services, up to a huge total amount - but Halliburton was not guaranteed how much of that total would actually be awarded.

Moreover, the nature of the work is that Halliburton is basically organizing and running work that is primarily being done by others, who get the bulk of that money, and must do so using local subcontractors whose own books etc. aren't open for easy audit and who can be expected to add a surcharge for danger and for the short-term nature of the purchases - which was imposed by DOD.

Bottom line: DOD wanted it both ways. They wanted the stability and reliability that a prime like Halliburton can bring, but they only doled out the work in short-term contracts. Could Halliburton have negotiated a better price for fuel back in May-June? Maybe, don't know.

Is most of the carping about this contract way off base. Yes, based on my own experiences with defense contracting, definitely so.
Posted by: rkb || 12/13/2003 8:30 Comments || Top||

#13  Congress' General Accounting Office found in 1997 and 2000 that KBR had billed the Army for questionable expenses on its support contracts for operations in the Balkans. Those reviews cited instances such as charging $85.98 per sheet of plywood that cost $14.06 and billing the Army for cleaning some offices up to four times per day."

Can't comment on the office cleaning charges, but Traveller either hasn't thought at all about contracting or s/he is deliberately citing misleading numbers re: the plywood.

Your local lumber yard might charge $14.95 for a sheet of plywood. But the cost to a contractor of providing that sheet on a job goes way beyond the direct cost of the material.

In order to supply that sheet, the contractor has to have or rent a truck to pick it up and has to pay the driver. Or, it might negotiate a shipping charge from the supplier.

The contractor has to have a purchasing agent to find the best overall price and book keepers to record the purchase. The contractor also has to have a program office that reports the detailed costs to the government every month in the exact format required by law. The contractor also has to have a manager who makes sure this all happens correctly.

This stuff adds up, folks.

Can companies try to pad these costs? Sure. But are they in general legitimately part of the cost the government must pay? Certainly.

Consider this: if the government bought that plywood itself, it would have to pay shipping charges or hire truck drivers and buy trucks. It would have to pay its own purchasing agents to find the right supplier and have a government lawyer oversee the purchasing contract, and pay a government employee to keep the books correctly .....

which would all cost taxpayers a whole lot more than $14.95 a sheet for that plywood.

Plus, we'd then be stuck with extra bureaucrats who are hard to downsize and who get guaranteed pensions 20 yrs later.





Posted by: rkb || 12/13/2003 8:53 Comments || Top||

#14  One last comment on this:


There's a perception out there that defense contractors are out to milk the taxpayer. Some sometimes do.


But what you don't hear a lot about are the times when government officials squeeze contractors in outrageous ways. I personally have seen situations in which a government contract officer deliberately pushed a contractor to take a substantial financial loss on a particular job. That's supposed to be against the rules, but it can and does happen more often than you might think.

I could list the detailed stories here, but won't unless someone asks since it's Fred's bandwidth. But I will say this: it does happen and it can force companies to fire good people as a result, while the federal employee gets a great review for "cutting costs".


The power / cheating thing goes both ways.

Posted by: rkb || 12/13/2003 9:40 Comments || Top||

#15  rkb - Kick-ass explanation! I've only submitted a bid for a govt contract gig once, back in 1982, with LTV near Dallas - and it was a nightmare. Whomever wrote the spec for this software was both insane and without a clue as to what software is. Didn't get it. Now I'm glad I didn't!

Thx, rkb, for your knowledge and articulate description... I'll be borrowing from it, time to time, I'm sure!
Posted by: .com || 12/13/2003 9:47 Comments || Top||

#16  To summarize rkb's excellent posts:

This is the government version of that moment in the grocery when you look at the receipt, see something you don't understand, and say "Hey, wait a minute..."
Posted by: snellenr || 12/13/2003 9:53 Comments || Top||

#17  And let's not forget when KBR and Halliburton won these no-bid contracts: During the Clinton administration.

Kinda makes the question of who was playing corporate cronyism complicated, doesn't it?
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 12/13/2003 10:37 Comments || Top||

#18  WOW I can just see the fur fly! Traveler, IF HB overcharged us we will get if back. This GAO report is not complete so I think the jury is still out. I remember about six years ago Lockheed overcharged the Air Force and we got return then. In case you have forgotten Billy Bob was in the White House at the time. I think everyone needs a lesson on what, what, and where is Haliburton. They're are a specialized company that provides AMERICAN services and infrastruture to the U.S. Military for DECADES. They have provided services under Dems and Rep alike. A little economic lesson here too. Just because Gas cost $1 in Kuwait doesn't mean it cost $1 after you ship it to Baghdad. Also I doubt very much that President Bush had the time to measure every gallon of gas, dinner cooked, or killwatt produced in Iraq. That is why the GAO is checking things out. Gee, I think they call that "THE SYSTEM IS WORKING!"

P.S. I DO NOT WORK FOR HB.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 12/13/2003 13:24 Comments || Top||

#19  little economic lesson here too. Just because Gas cost $1 in Kuwait doesn't mean it cost $1 after you ship it to Baghdad

Indeedy, this is where Risk Theory comes in handy and of course as a professional I always advise the novices to play Turkey.
Posted by: Shipman || 12/13/2003 14:14 Comments || Top||

#20  rkb, excellent posts. The depressing thing about Traveller is that his/her ignorance of federal contracting reality and the instinct to mindlessly assert "corruption" for every common bump in the road is shared by the major media, and is passed on to the general population. There was a too-weak op-ed in the WaPo a few weeks back timidly denouncing the sort of ignorant demagoguery at the root of Traveller's rant and similar "coverage" in the media -- but that's been about it.

The administration's failure to educate and harshly attack the more egregious distortions concerning contracting is puzzling and disappointing. We are in a sorry state, comparable to the make-believe worlds inhabited by Third Worlders fed on state-run media, when a "news" service can (as pointed out above) refer to Halliburton as "Cheney's former company" as though it is a meaningful or comprehensible reference. Hmm, I guess not a big shocker there -- major media utterly failing to correctly inform their audience.

I managed some foreign aid programs for a while, and am very familiar with the complexities and pitfalls of prime contractors and local sub-contractors, especially those in armed conflict situations. It was an eye-opening experience. The other eye-opener has been encountering the hysterical, ignorant misunderstanding of these matters by those who've not worked on them.

There are errors and corruption, of course, as there will be until such programs are managed and performed by robots. But the threshhold for "appearance of corruption" is so low, due to the ignorance noted above, that the whole discussion ceases to be serious.

I heard somewhere -- and it squares with the known facts -- that KBR might have been leaned on not to push the Kuwaiti supplier too low, as the Kuwaitis had provided a huge amount of fuel for free during the prep and major combat ops. A "get well" gesture to the Kuwaitis. Plausible, and exactly the sort of reasonable real-world mutualism that triggers all the auditors' alarms and falls on deaf ears in the contracting office ...... and conveniently provides fodder for hysterical airheads of the media and the Nine Dwarves. And of course the short-term, small-batch effect you described would easily explain at least some of the bad pricing. Let's see -- if I buy a 50-lb sack of Thai jasmine rice at the store, it's much cheaper than the 10-lb sack .... they must be "gouging" me on the smaller sack! This is the sort of infantile "reasoning" that underlies the ranting of Traveller, the media, and the Dwarves.
Posted by: IceCold || 12/13/2003 16:51 Comments || Top||

#21  "The power / cheating thing goes both ways"

Warning! Very long sentence follows!
Having been on both sides of this, $285 of the $290 margin on the $300 hammer probably got spent on something sine qua non after the fact the Gummint didn't want to rewrite the contract for.
One place I worked we charged $50/pair for 25-cent 3AG spare fuses. We stopped doing that and started giving them away. Lost less money selling fuses that way.
Posted by: Glenn (not Reynolds) || 12/13/2003 17:50 Comments || Top||

#22  On the gas issue, it will be interesting to see how the Iraqis deal with their gas shortage. I would elliminate price controls on gas and electrical power and see whether the result would be construction of new refineries and power plants.

That would be a tough sell.
Posted by: Super Hose || 12/13/2003 21:36 Comments || Top||

#23  Just because Gas cost $1 in Kuwait doesn't mean it cost $1 after you ship it to Baghdad

With guaranteed delivery. In a combat zone.
Using sub-contractors. Using sub-contractors who are Arab (speaking from experience).
Posted by: Pappy || 12/13/2003 22:41 Comments || Top||


2 Ansar al-Islam jugged near Mosul
U.S. forces in Iraq have arrested two people suspected of involvement with a terror group Washington says is linked to the al-Qaida network. Officials say the two were captured in the northern town of Mosul Friday. They are believed to be involved with the Ansar al-Islam group. U.S. forces also arrested eight suspected insurgents in the area in a series of raids that started Thursday. No casualties were reported in any of those operations.

Meanwhile, attacks on U.S.-led forces continued across Iraq. One U.S. soldier was killed and two others wounded Friday when insurgents detonated an explosive as their convoy drove by near Ramadi. Earlier, Iraqi insurgents fired on the U.S. headquarters in Baghdad for the first time in a month, hitting the so-called "Green Zone" — the compound that houses U.S. civilian and military operations in the Iraqi capital. Elsewhere, a roadside bomb detonated near a coalition patrol in the town of Mahawil, south of Baghdad. Two Polish soldiers were injured in the blast. On Thursday, one American soldier was killed and 14 others were wounded in a suicide bombing outside an army base in the town of Ramadi, west of Baghdad.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 12/13/2003 12:46:14 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  SOMEBODY is talking like a parrot, obviously. Good things, good things. Now if the commanders on the ground can only interrogate the mutts without fear of reprisal, we'll be OK.
Posted by: 4thInfVet || 12/13/2003 0:48 Comments || Top||

#2  My guess would be that if anybody's singing these days that it's al-Douri's aide who was picked up in the aftermath of the Route of Samarra, as al-Douri is described as being the liaison between the Baathists and Ansar al-Islam.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 12/13/2003 0:50 Comments || Top||

#3  May also be the iraqi general who 'died' during interrogation. As it was pointed out, that's a damn good way to enter the WPP.

Also very sorry to hear about another dead trooper. If anyone has any Christmas $$ left over, feel free to donate it to one of the many funds for children of combat KIAs.

Greater love hath no man this.
Posted by: 4thInfVet || 12/13/2003 0:59 Comments || Top||


MEK sez we can’t just ditch ’em
Iranian opposition People’s Mujahideen group said on Friday it had told the US authorities that any attempt by Iraq’s US-controlled Governing Council to expel thousands of its members to Iran would be a war crime for which Washington would be responsible.
It'd be pretty nasty, but it wouldn't be a war crime. Churchill did something similar with Russians after the Second World War...
Some 4,000-5,000 of the Mujahideen, which mounted attacks inside Iran from neighbouring Iraq when Saddam Hussein was in power, have been disarmed since the US-led invasion and are now guarded by US troops in their base of Camp Ashraf, east of the capital. Earlier this week the Governing Council said it planned to expel the Mujahideen, whom it accused of terrorism, by December 31. On Thursday a member of the council said Iraq’s interim rulers are considering handing them over to the very Iranian authorities they have been fighting to overthrow.
That's because they're terrorists. The Medes and the Persians run their own terror organizations, but not this one. We want to break up those, too...
A Swiss international law expert acting for the Mujahideen, Professor Marc Henzelin, told AFP he had written Thursday to US Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and top military officials warning them that such a move would be a war crime under the terms of the Geneva Convention.
Probably not. But saying it will make some people think it is. Keep repeating it, and more people will...
As the occupying power in Iraq, the United States would bear the responsibility, and would face legal action in US, Swiss or other courts. “I am totally convinced that the legal experts of the US military will reach exactly the same conclusion,” Henzelin said, noting that when they agreed to be disarmed in September the Mujahideen put themselves under US military protection.
That's why turning them over would be nasty. But it wouldn't be illegal. Shooting them might be, but they're members of a terror organization, so we could argue the point...
The Iraqi Governing Council might ask the US military to expel [the Khalq] from Iraq, but the council has no plans to hand them over to Iran, where they are wanted for terrorist attacks, two Iraqi officials said on Friday.
So maybe it's not as bad as they're making out in the first half of the article...
Earlier this week, the US-appointed council decided to expel by year’s end the 3,800 members of the Mujahideen Khalq, listed as a terrorist organization by the United States and the European Union. “We might ask the Americans because they have the military capabilities,” Governing Council member Dara Noor al-Din said. “We don’t have an army and the police force isn’t well enough equipped to face the Mujahideen, because they have light weapons.” The US-led administration of Iraq will meet with the council to discuss the expulsion of the Mujahideen Khalq, said a spokesman for the Coalition Provisional Authority, or CPA.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 12/13/2003 12:20:33 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Huh?! The hell w'DAT! Enough of this "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" b.s., the p.m. are terrorists, end of story. They can go home, or they can assimilate into the shia 'hoods in Iraq, but they aren't going to be starting any wars or blowing anybody up, no way. If we can't hang them all for being terrorists (and we can't with that commie sh*tbag from switzerland around), then we should encourage them to become responsible world citizens (bleh!). Otherwise, take them out to the middle of the Persian Gulf and dump 'em.

Now I have absolutely no love for the crazed mullahs that rule Iran, but scum like the p.m. don't help ANYTHING by kililng innocents. They're no better than the Kosovo 'liberation' movement, hizbollah, or islamic jihad. If they can't deal with it, dig a big hole and bury them in it.
Posted by: 4thInfVet || 12/13/2003 0:42 Comments || Top||

#2  Fred and 4th are right. Just make them an offer they can't refuse. Their answer will be their fate.
Posted by: .com || 12/13/2003 5:10 Comments || Top||

#3  Hmmm... More of that "international law" stuff that Bush is going to have to ask his lawyer about. :-)

Pres. Bush may not do everything right... but he certainly does the important things right.
Posted by: snellenr || 12/13/2003 11:38 Comments || Top||


Sistani demands UN role
Iraq's top Shiite cleric the Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani has demanded that the United Nations be brought in to determine whether early democratic elections in Iraq are feasible. The issue of when to hold elections has deeply divided the US-appointed Governing Council, which has failed to reach an agreement for more than two weeks. Ayatollah Sistani says that he will not retreat from his call for early democratic elections unless a neutral UN committee, appointed by secretary-general Kofi Annan, concludes that in the current circumstances it is technically and politically impossible.
Have Blix form a committee. By the time they produce a report, our version of the elections will not only have been held, the Iraqis will be two or three administrations down the road...
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 12/13/2003 00:02 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Iraq is not up for grabs (by Grand Turban Systani or any other factional "leader") and it's not the UN's call.

If the Shi'a people don't get a clue and realize they are independent of this, or any other, turban - I see a partitioned Iraq coming. Maybe a Federation, but not a unified Iraq.
Posted by: .com || 12/13/2003 5:24 Comments || Top||

#2  The U.N. would have to be willing to *enter* Iraq before this became even a remote possibility. Remember, they cut-and-run after their non-security allowed that truck bombing. And they're even threatening to leave Afghanistan now because of the "security situation" there.

Hans "Magoo" Blix couldn't find an election, feasible or otherwise, if he was standing in a polling place with ballots strewn at his feet...
Posted by: snellenr || 12/13/2003 11:30 Comments || Top||

#3  Remember the UN is putting their Iraq mission in Cyprus. Provided they can find enough four-star hotel rooms, that is.
Posted by: Glenn (not Reynolds) || 12/13/2003 12:48 Comments || Top||

#4  LOL!!! You guys have really nailed this one!

I am so ready for the US to finally admit the UN is, as was the League of Nations, a failure. It looks to me as though Dubya doesn't want this on his resume - he's tried playing nice with them on several frustrating fronts - and we keep getting burned and spurned.

I think it's time to call it a day. Take those aspects that worked, toss those things that didn't, figure out what's still missing entirely, and float the new idea. It will take time for people to disengage from the old and see the new for what it is, but this process is an eventuality, not a pipe dream. Today's UN is a snake-pit and unworthy of either our monetary support or continued participation. It has devolved into a Thugacratic Demagogue Forum of no practical or principled value. *flush*
Posted by: .com || 12/13/2003 13:24 Comments || Top||

#5  Grand Turban

Another good name for a car.

Maybe G.T.O. Grand Turban Overweening
Posted by: Shipman || 12/13/2003 14:28 Comments || Top||


Southeast Asia
Government negotiator warns of MILF power struggle
Well, Kabalu’s denying it so we know that it has to be true ...
A POWER struggle in the Philippines’ top Muslim separatist group between pragmatists and hardliners accused of supporting foreign "terrorists" could hamper peace talks with the government, Defense Secretary Eduardo Ermita said Thursday.
Oh goody, pragmatists and hardliners, that just sounds so Iranian for the Philippines ...
Neighboring Malaysia is preparing to host formal talks between Manila and the 11,900-member Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) early next month.
Meanwhile, MILF and their new buddies in the NPA are still shooting away ...
Manila is pushing for a political settlement to the MILF’s 25-year rebellion before the May 2004 presidential election.
That may explain Arroyo’s willingness to overlook the more blatant violations of the cease-fire in addition to the coup ...
A deal would lead to the release of millions of dollars’ worth of development aid pledged by the United States and other countries to the southern Mindanao region.
Peace=cash. The Byzantines used to know a lot about that approach, how to work it, how well it worked. Maybe we should ask them?
Ermita said the MILF leadership is not solidly behind the peace process.
Gee, what gave you the hint?
Not enough cash involved? Playing hard to get?
He repeated previous charges that some MILF "sub-commanders" give protection and training facilities to at least 31 mostly Indonesian Jemaah Islamiyah (JI) militants in the Lanao region of Mindanao.
And the big-shots have done nothing to stop them and are still cashing checks from Hanbali ...
"Most of the factions that do not believe in the continuance of the negotiations on the ground, who still think that they can achieve their objective - these are the people who encourage the presence of the JI on the ground," Ermita said. The foreign militants are training locals, possibly including MILF members, in explosives and avoiding detection, he added.
I would say especially including MILF members, myself ...
Technical equipment, including unmanned planes provided by the United States as part of military aid to combat terrorism, have been "very effective" in tracking their activities, Ermita said without elaborating.
Yet the camps are still running ...
A suspected senior JI operative, Taufek Refke, was arrested in Mindanao in October.
And running a nasty biowarfare lab, by all accounts. Yet another good reason to blow the camps to kingdom come ...
The "more practical" MILF leaders, including chief Murad Ebrahim, have realized they could not hope to defeat the Philippine government on the battlefield, Ermita said. However, "there are ranking people in the (MILF) central committee who have second thoughts about actual negotiations," he said.
Like the guys with all the guns ...
Think about it. After watching this mess unfold almost every day for the past two years, I haven't come to the conclusion that MILF can't hope to defeat the PI gummint on the battlefield. Quite the contrary, in fact. If they avoid pitched battles and maintain control of their territory, they can win in the halls of government and the bureaucracy. All it takes is a continuing infusion of dollars from the Magick Kingdom and for Eid to keep putting his lips back on...
The differences in opinion had not yet led to a split within the MILF. It remained to be seen if all factions would honor any peace accord signed with Manila, he added.
All signs point to no ...
Make that "hell, no."
The MILF has been waging an armed rebellion with the aim of setting up an Islamic state in Mindanao and nearby southern islands of the mainly Roman Catholic Philippines.
Coincidentally, in the areas where there's potential oil wealth...
Ermita said Malaysia had played a crucial role to convince the MILF to set aside its Armed Struggle™ and engage in peace talks.
They’re still getting to that, it seems ...
At an emergency meeting of ceasefire monitors last week, Manila exacted a written commitment from the MILF that it would deny the JI sanctuary and help the government identify and even arrest JI members.
So now they’re violating a written rather than a verbal agreement ...
The two sides agreed a largely successful ceasefire in July, and an advance team of ceasefire observers from the Malaysian armed forces is set to fly into Mindanao on Monday ahead of the peace talks.
Most "successful cease-fires" don’t continue to have people getting shot ...
Manila is offering the MILF a measure of self-rule, in a deal similar to one that led to another separatist group, the Moro National Liberation Front, signing a peace treaty in 1996.
And that worked really, really well, too, until Nur Misuari decided to go for the... ummm... gold.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 12/13/2003 12:36:49 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I am beginning to think its time for a little demostration of 'Shock and Awe' down there. Drop a few daisycutters on the camps and we (and the Philippine Government) will be in a much better position to talk peace terms.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 12/13/2003 11:20 Comments || Top||


Indonesian terrorists rebels training Filippinos
Great, now JI are "rebels" too ...
Indonesian members of the Southeast Asian terror group Jemaah Islamiyah have been training Filipino rebels in bomb-making and other tactics toward its goal of creating a pan-Islamic state, the Philippines’ defense chief said Thursday. Defense Secretary Eduardo Ermita said intelligence reports indicate that 31 Jemaah Islamiyah militants are training Filipino insurgents in southern Philippine jungle camps run by some commanders of the separatist Moro Islamic Liberation Front.
We keep hearing about this, but they never seem to find these 31 guys...
Philippine authorities say the group was involved in a series of December 2000 bombings that killed 22 people and injured more than 100 in the capital, Manila. The MILF denied Ermita’s statements and accused an unidentified “third force” in the government and the military of attempting to derail the peace process. Talks are expected to resume next month. A cease-fire has held since July. “There are no JI members inside our camps,” MILF Vice Chairman Ghazali Jaafar said. He said the rebels were open to inspections and had already promised to help the government hunt down any militants.
How many have you caught to date?
Ermita claimed the Indonesians were giving lessons in improvising bombs and evading arrest while urging the rebels to pursue Jemaah Islamiyah’s goal of creating a pan-Islamic state in Southeast Asia. Ermita said the military believes the training was being conducted in at least two jungle sites on the main southern island of Mindanao. The government has given the MILF leadership a list of rebel commanders suspected of supporting Jemaah Islamiyah. “We are giving them (the MILF) the benefit of the doubt,” Ermita said. “We are going to take them on their word.”
And that will be your undoing ...
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MILF denies in-fighting
THE Moro Islamic Liberation Front (milf) on Friday denied the organization as being split by the “doves” and “hawks” for and against the resumption of peace talks with the government. “We are solid as an organization,” Eid Kabalu, the milf spokesman, said.
If Eid said it, I don't believe it...
“We all want peace in Mindanao, so we are all for the resumption of peace talks. That has been our stand ever since.”
"Careful! You just stepped on one of my lips!"
Defense Secretary Eduardo Ermita told foreign journalists on Thursday that there seems to be a power struggle within the largest secessionist organization between pragmatists and hardliners. According to Ermita, the milf leadership is not solidly behind the peace talks and that these factions are the ones coddling foreign terrorists, particularly members of Jemaah Islamiah, in their camps in the Lanao regions. Kabalu said the military intelligence gathered information that at least 31 JI members, mostly Indonesian, have undergone training in the milf camps. He dismissed Ermita’s revelations as “baseless” and a “rehashed accusation meant on disrupting the peace negotiation.”
"MILF would never do anything to disrupt peace negotiations! We take them — hey! Is that Elvis over there? — seriously."
“It seems like the government is having an internal conflict whether to push through with the negotiations or not. It’s not us, it’s them,” Kabalu said in a telephone interview.
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Home Front
A Fetish of Candor
Is David Brooks is a closet Rantburger? Reads like editorial gloss to some hypothetical LLL pissandmoan, with entire original text EFL. Tip to Glenn (Reynolds not me.)

NOT EFL. Too good.
I think we are all disgusted by the way George W. Bush’s administration has allowed honesty and candor to seep into the genteel world of international affairs.

Until the Bush team came to power, foreign relations were conducted with a certain gentlemanly decorum. The first Bush administration urged regime change in Iraq, without sullying itself with the Iraqi peasants actually trying to do it. The Clinton administration pretended to fight terrorism without committing the sin of unilateralism by trying very hard.

The United Nations passed resolution after resolution condemning the government of Iraq, without committing the faux pas of actually enforcing them. The leaders of France and Germany announced their abhorrence of Saddam’s regime, and expressed this abhorrence by doing as much business with Saddam as possible.

Then came George W. Bush, the cowboy out of the West, and all good manners were discarded. The first sign of trouble came when the Bush administration declared its opposition to the Kyoto treaty. Up until that time, all decent governments had remained platonically in love with the treaty. They praised it, but gave no thought to actually enacting it.

Bush said he would scuttle it and did.

Then Bush scandalized the world by announcing his desire to enforce the U.N.’s resolutions on Iraq. And he gave a speech announcing his doctrine of pre-emptive war. Instead of merely taking out Saddam while pretending to abide by the inherited rules of conduct, he actually announced what he was going to do before doing it. This was honesty taken to a reckless extreme.

Now his administration has taken to honesty like a drunken sailor. It has made a fetish of candor and forthrightness. Things are wildly out of control.

The U.S. administration is confronted with three nations that have stabbed it in the back with alacrity. The German leader vowed not to run a re-election campaign based on anti-Americanism, then turned around and did just that. The French government has done all it could to ensure that the U.S. effort to transform Iraq would fail. Russia was also willing to let the Iraqis rot in their slave state.

The U.S. now has roughly $18 billion to spend on the effort to rebuild Iraq, and it must figure out whether to allow companies from these countries to profit from the effort.

The wise course is obvious. You loudly announce that all is forgiven, that, of course, the companies from the wayward nations will be allowed to bid for contracts. And then behind the scenes you stiff them cold.

This policy is hypocritical, so it is probably the right policy to enact. It acknowledges that the United States has important business to do with powers like Germany, Russia and France, and cannot afford continued bad relations. It acknowledges that good-hearted people in the United States and abroad do not want to see the U.S. acting like a bully. But it recognizes that people who undermine U.S. policy must pay a price.

But the Bush administration, drunk on truth serum, has done the exact opposite. It has declared in public that countries that did not help overthrow Saddam do not get to benefit from the aftermath. But then in private White House officials seem to be offering every assurance to the offended nations. Moreover the U.S. is still allowing the offending nations to bid on the subcontracts, where there is much money to be made.

This is a policy based on candor, and therefore it is a mess.

If the U.S. is going to right its foreign policy, it is going to have to rein in President Bush’s tendency to be straightforward. It is going to have to acknowledge that honesty is a good thing when it comes to international affairs — in theory.

The administration’s fundamental problem is that it is not very good at dealing with people it can’t stand. The men and women in this White House are exceptionally forthright. When they come across someone they regard as insufferable, their instinct is to be blunt. They seek to be honest rather than insincere, to not sugar things up but to let these people know how they really feel.

Sometimes you’ve got to be slippery to accomplish real good. The Bush administration is thus facing an insincerity crisis. It has become addicted to candor and forthrightness. It needs an immediate back-stabbing infusion.

Perhaps Al Gore could be brought in to offer advice.
Trouble is, there’s pseudointellectuals out there who will take this at face value because it fits their worldview better.
Posted by: Glenn (not Reynolds) || 12/13/2003 5:24:59 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Nuanced diplomacy leads to misunderstandings like the invasion of Kuwait.
Posted by: Super Hose || 12/13/2003 21:24 Comments || Top||

#2  I am still in shock that the NYT would even print this!
David Brooks is clearly doing the Lord's work there.
Good for him!
Posted by: Jennie Taliaferro || 12/13/2003 21:37 Comments || Top||


White House verifies immigration review
The White House yesterday said a new immigration review is under way that could lead to amnesty for millions of illegal aliens living and working in the United States.
Confirmation of the review came during a White House briefing, just two days after Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge said during a town hall meeting in Miami that the government had to "afford some kind of legal status" to the 8 million to 12 million illegal aliens in the country.
They have legal status - its called being ILLEGAL as in violation in federal immigration laws!
"We’ve taken steps to improve border security — significant steps, I might add; have made great progress there. We’ve taken steps to improve the immigration infrastructure," said White House spokesman Scott McClellan. "Those are some foundations for moving forward on a more orderly, safe and humane migration policy.
Of course the ’catch and release’ policy is still in force.
"And this is a matter that really is under review at this point. We continue to look at it," Mr. McClellan said.
Mr. Ridge, during a question-and-answer period after his Miami speech, said he would not support granting citizenship to illegal aliens now in the country "because they violated the law to get here," but the government needed to "determine how you can legalize their presence" and then institute an immigration enforcement policy to prevent future illegal entries.
Yeah! Thats it! Lets put the Cart in front of the horse!
His comments drew harsh criticism from some congressional sources and immigration opponents.
Rep. Tom Tancredo, Colorado Republican and chairman of the Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus, said Mr. Ridge should resign if he is unable or unwilling to enforce existing immigration laws. He said the secretary’s comments would "open a floodgate" of illegal aliens "trying to sneak into the United States in order to be first in line for amnesty."
Meanwhile.... there are millions LAW ABIDING people who have been waiting for YEARS being pissed on by Tom Ridge. Good Job Mr. Homeland Security.
Dan Stein, executive director of the Federation of American Immigration Reform (FAIR), questioned what security interests of the United States were being served "by granting legal status to people whose identities cannot be confirmed and who already have shown an unwillingness to observe U.S. law?
"The law has to be respected before you grandfather in the very people who disrespected it," he said.
Very good point. But this would not gain any votes.
Various amnesty bills are pending in Congress, although none has been scheduled for debate or a vote.
Congress approved an amnesty program in 1986, granting legal status to 2.7 million illegal aliens then in the country. The program contained increased enforcement and penalty policies aimed at ending illegal immigration, although the illegal alien population in the United States today is more than twice the total in 1986.
Mr. McClellan said Mr. Bush "has always been a strong believer that America should be a welcoming society. We are, after all, a nation of immigrants, as he often points out."
We are a welcoming society -- to those who follow the established legal procedure and don’t violate federal laws.
He said discussions with Mexico on a new amnesty proposal were ongoing prior to the September 11 attacks, but were halted.
And should be killed on sight.
Mr. Bush and Mexican President Vicente Fox had agreed to consider granting permanent residency, or green cards, to as many as 3 million Mexicans living illegally in the United States.
Meanwhile Fox encourages illegal immigration into the United States.
Mr. McClellan also said that although some people had interpreted Mr. Ridge’s comments as "some broad amnesty discussion," it was not that at all.
Damn! What the hell is this I just stepped in....uh.. gross!
"He’s very involved in, obviously, overseeing border security and immigration matters, now under the new Department of Homeland INSecurity," he said. "And I think he’s been looking at the issue of the large number of illegal immigrants we do have in the country and looking at those that could be threats and those that are here for other reasons.
Mr. Ridge! There is a old man who has been waiting patiently 20 years to immigrate legally over here.... you haven’t pissed on him yet!
"And so, he’s just talking about the realities that we are facing now," he said.
Asa Hutchinson, Homeland Security’s undersecretary for border and transportation security, also defended Mr. Ridge’s comments, saying they simply reflected ongoing debate in Congress over the immigration issue.
"Secretary Ridge addressed it very honestly yesterday, engaged in that debate, but clearly this administration has not taken a firm policy position on that and the debate continues," Mr. Hutchinson said.
If you are concerned about our agriculture business which relies on migrant workers (debatable) then fine, establish a new secure and reliable program with full background checks and interviews for them to cross over the border in order to seek work. Don’t simply grant a green card to people who are proven to have no regard for the rule of law.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 12/13/2003 11:42:38 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  A real world geometric progression in action: illegal alien amnesty.

1986 2.7 million
2004 8-12 million
2022 24-36 million
2040 ...

You get the behaviors you reward.
Posted by: ed || 12/13/2003 14:01 Comments || Top||

#2  AAAArrrrgggghhhhh
What part about illegal don't these assholes understand? Arrest and deport, seal the border and allow an ORDERLY, SECURE worker program!
Posted by: Frank G || 12/13/2003 15:11 Comments || Top||


Africa: West
Nigeria: Task Force Intercepts Armed Youths
Another bloody mayhem was averted yesterday in the violent-prone area of Delta State as the Joint Military Task Force intercepted about 200 militants on board no fewer than 20 speed boats along the Benin River, Warri-North Local Council of the state.
200 toughies is a fairly hefty problem...
Reports indicate that the armed youths were spotted by men of the Nigerian Airforce attached to the Joint Military Task Force while they were on a surveillance flight across the swampy creeks and rivers. Although security sources were silent on the true identity of the militia group, it was obvious they were heading to yet another community to unleash terror on local residents.
Little nudgies to this sort of thing, which are common enough, is what the legislators are worried about with regard to Chuck. How many "presidential emissaries," lugging a bit of cash, would it take to set off something large-scale?
But following last weekend's attack on two Ijaw communities, the leadership of the Itsekiri ethnic group yesterday sued for peace and urged all warring groups to sheathe their swords while waiting for the outcome of the Danjuma Report on Warri crisis and other peace options being articulated by the Delta State government. Briefing newsmen on the recent outbreak of violence in Warri-North Local Council, the Iyatsere of Warri, Chief Gabriel Mabiaku said violence at this time when all ethnic groups had pledged to keep the peace was condemnable.
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Representatives Plan Public Hearings On Chuck
The lower chamber of Nigeria's national legislature intends to conduct a public hearing on the asylum granted to former Liberian President Charles Taylor, the Chairman of the House of Representatives foreign relations committee said on Thursday. Usman Bugaje said civil society groups as well as officials from the Nigerian ministries of foreign affairs and justice would be invited to discuss the ramifications for Nigeria's foreign policy of hosting an indicted war criminal, as well as its impact on the rule of law. There have been continuing calls on the Nigerian government by local and international human rights groups, foreign governments, the UN court in Sierra Leone and the International Police Organisation (Interpol) for Taylor to be handed over for trial. But the Nigerian government has so far refused to oblige, insisting the asylum granted the former war-lord-turned-president was to end 14 years of bloodletting in Liberia and stop it from spreading in West Africa. Bugaje said neither the Senate nor the House of Representatives was consulted by Obasanjo before he took the decision to accommodate Taylor. "We in the legislature felt it was wrong," he told reporters. "Even the UN refugee charter forbids giving asylum to refugees accused of war crimes."
Not knowing what lies down the road for himself — has a Nigerian head of state ever actually retired or been replaced in an election? — Olusegun doesn't want to set a precedent by handing over Chuck. The legislators seem to be thinking along different lines, not wanting to see what Chuck wrought in his own country and others around it spawn itself in their own constituencies.
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 12/13/2003 11:34 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Looks like Chuck picked a safe place to retire to. He seems to have quieted down some recently, probably a good move on his part.
Posted by: Super Hose || 12/13/2003 19:55 Comments || Top||


12 Killed in Gun Battles With Soldiers in Abidjan
Twelve gunmen, wearing black T-shirts, were killed in Abidjan on Thursday night in a gun battle that followed an attack on the main military barracks, national television reported on Friday morning. Another five gunmen were believed to have been killed in a separate attack on a transmission station for the government RTI television in the western Abidjan suburb of Abobo. All the dead men had the words "Brigade Nindja" written on their black T-shirts, military sources said.
The Superman and Spiderman brigades operate on the other side of town...
"Brigade Nindja" is the name of one of the pro-government militias in Abidjan, who were allegedly trained and armed by the government after mutinous soldiers attempted to stage a coup d'etat on 19 September. A senior Ivorian army officer, who did not want to be named, said an investigation had been launched. It is suspected, he added, that the attacks were an infiltration by the rebellious soldiers who, since the coup attempt, have remained in control of the north of the country. "The bodies will be examined one by one to determine who these people are. It is very strange and unlikely that pro-government militias could attack an army barracks," the officer told IRIN on Friday morning.
"Holmes! Do you think they might be... in disguise?"
"Yes, Watson, I do! And note, if you will, that each is wearing a false moustache..."
"By Jove, you're right!"
"... and a blond wig!"
The gunmen, the officer said, drove to the barracks at Akouedo in four-wheel drive cars and minivans at about the same time that shooting started in Abobo. When they came under attack from government soldiers inside the barracks, the gunmen retreated towards the plush Cocody suburb. They were killed in fighting that continued around 'Carrefour de la Mort' (Death Crossing) road junction near the main RTI broadcasting house. According to the national television, a third incident also took place in Anyama, another middle-class suburb next to Abobo. All three incidents took place after midnight.
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 12/13/2003 11:26 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  the "plush" Cocody suburbs lie near "Death Crossing"? kinda a mix of cultures isn't it?
Posted by: Frank G || 12/13/2003 14:10 Comments || Top||


Syria-Lebanon
Bush Signs Syria Sanctions Bill
EFL
President Bush signed legislation Friday calling for economic penalties against Syria for not doing anything enough in the fight against terrorism in the Middle East and in Iraq. Bush signed the bill into law with grim determination no fanfare before leaving the White House for the Camp David retreat in Maryland. The White House announced the move Friday evening. Bush is generally not enthusiastic about such restraints on his diplomatic options and, in a statement, signaled that was the case with this bill as well. ``My approval of the act does not constitute my adoption of the various statements of policy in the act as U.S. foreign policy,’’ he said.
"Foreign policy would be more fun if the Senate would shut its pie-hole!"
The legislation says Syria has provided a safe haven for anti-Israel terrorist groups such as Hamas and Islamic Jihad and is accused of pursuing the development and production of biological and chemical weapons. It states that Syria must end its support of terrorists, terminate its 27-year military presence in Lebanon, stop efforts to obtain or produce weapons of mass destruction and long-range ballistic missiles and interdict terrorists and weapons from entering Iraq. If Syria fails to meet those conditions, the president must ban sales of dual-use items, which can have both civilian and military applications. He also must impose at least two out of a list of six possible penalties: a ban on exports to Syria, prohibition of U.S. businesses’ operating in Syria, restrictions on Syrian diplomats in the United States, limits on Syrian airline flights in the United States, reduction of diplomatic contacts or a freeze on Syrian assets in the United States.
Does it authorize the 4ID to swing west and march to the sea?
At the White House’s insistence, the law gives Bush broad leeway to waive both the dual-use ban and the two sanctions on the basis of national security, or after determining that Syria has taken the actions required. In Syria’s case, sanctions would probably have greater political than economic effect, as bilateral trade amounts to only about $300 million a year. Though frustration remained, administration officials have cited signs of progress by Syria. They have said that Syria has taken feeble steps to prevent anti-American terrorists and weapons from crossing its border with Iraq, offered no more cooperation in searching for Iraqi frozen assets preferring instead to keep the loot and lent tepid support for a U.S.-sponsored U.N. Security Council on Iraq.
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#1  "March to the sea." I like th esound of that.
Posted by: Pete Stanley || 12/13/2003 2:31 Comments || Top||

#2  Can Syria defend itself? Still amused with vision of Turks and Israelis sitting discreetly in the corner to figure how to divide Syria for mutual benefit. They might even let King Abdullah have a piece. You can make everyone's slice bigger when you cut the pie n-1 ways.
Posted by: Glenn (not Reynolds) || 12/13/2003 4:37 Comments || Top||

#3  " March to the Sea "

Kind of like the Civil War, when Sherman conducted his famous "March to the Sea". It destroyed the infrastructure that was helping the Southern armies survive. A Syrian march would most likely have a similar effect on the Terrorist infrastructure, though not bring it down.
Posted by: Charles || 12/13/2003 5:15 Comments || Top||

#4  Can Syria defend itself?

Based on the account of the Thunder Run in Baghdad, I suspect a large portion of Syria's "armed forces" got chewed up in Iraq earlier this year.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 12/13/2003 10:40 Comments || Top||

#5  Now it's official.
Isn't the first step to recovery admitting you have a problem?
Now, let's hope that the next step will be Operation Damascus Freedom, to be quickly followed by its younger, quicker and even easier brother Operation Liberate Lebanon.
Posted by: Jennie Taliaferro || 12/13/2003 21:41 Comments || Top||


East Asia
Foreigners on the terror watch list to get the boot
And this is from December 13 ...
Japan will deport several foreign residents with suspected links to al-Qaeda or other terrorist networks if it feels the nation is in danger of becoming a target of terrorist attacks. The government has a suspect list of several men from Africa and other parts of Asia who mainly live in the Tokyo area.
That's one of those things about Japan: when they say "y'ain't from around here, are yew?" they really mean it.
The deportation move is aimed at minimizing the risk of an attack given al-Qaeda’s recent warnings that Tokyo would be targeted if Japan sends troops to Iraq. The government on Tuesday approved plans to send the Self-Defense Forces troops to help rebuild Iraq, but any terrorist incident in Japan could undermine the plan and hence threaten the fate of Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi’s administration.
Which'd be the entire objective: replace Koizumi, who was born with testicles, with somebody like the SKors have, who wasn't...
"We have to eliminate any cause of terror at an early stage," one official said.
So dump them now. Don't wait.
Public concern about sending the troops has grown since the Nov. 29 assassination of two Japanese diplomats in northern Iraq. Public security authorities have not found any evidence that the men on the government’s watch list are directly associated with al-Qaeda or its Southeast Asia-based affiliate, Jemaah Islamiyah, but have been tracking them and observed some suspicious behavior. Most of the residents are believed to be staying illegally in Japan, but the authorities are currently only tracing them to build up a broader picture of their network.
Ahhh... That's why they haven't dumped them yet...
The government will expel them for violating the immigration law, however, and provide related information to destination countries if evidence of an actual terrorism plot is received from the United States or other parties. The government will set up a team next month to tighten immigration and customs controls in readiness for possible terrorist attacks on Japan. The team will consist of up to 20 officials of the National Police Agency, the Japan Coast Guard, the Land, Infrastructure and Transport Ministry, the Finance Ministry and the Justice Ministry.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 12/13/2003 12:58:55 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Smart guys, smart move. And no dithering about profiling or PCBS.
Posted by: .com || 12/13/2003 4:24 Comments || Top||

#2  Public concern about sending the troops has grown since the Nov. 29 assassination of two Japanese diplomats in northern Iraq.

Certainly not the same society that it once took two atomic bombs to get to say uncle.
Posted by: Super Hose || 12/13/2003 20:28 Comments || Top||

#3  SH, no shit. They definitely aren't that same society. Then again, we aren't the same society which dropped those two bombs. But, I would wager the Bushido still lives in their souls. I can imagine what would happen if the jihadi's woke them up and pissed them off like they did the US.
Posted by: Swiggles || 12/13/2003 22:46 Comments || Top||


Have Chechen terrorists infiltrated Japan?
This is from December 4, so it’s a little old but nevertheless relevant to set up for the next article ...
Ten Chechen guerrillas entered Japan about two months ago and are planning to carry out terrorist acts here.
Oh, they'll blend right in with the locals!
Shukan Bunshun makes that alarming claim after speaking to a number of sources close to the government as well as military specialists, who warn that Japan’s government has been receiving highly credible reports that point to the Chechens’ presence in this country.
"Hi, there! We're Chechens, renowned as international thugs and pimps!"
"Hiya! We're the Japanese, renowned as international bad hat!"
"Wanna have a contest to see which of us is the baddest?"
"Ichiro! Kill them all. And their little dogs, too!"
According to one of the sources, described as someone "connected to the Ministry of Justice," the guerrillas, who are known terrorists, have smuggled themselves into Japan and authorities here are now desperately searching for them. "The target of this secret search operation is, to put it bluntly, a squad of Chechen independence guerrillas," the source says.
Whose interests are, of course, deeply entwined with Japanese policy...
Anyone who knows the history of Chechnya, a province in the southwest of Russia, should be shocked by the disclosure. An especially bloody insurgency between local guerrillas and the Russian military has raged there for the past decade, leaving tens of thousands of people dead. The guerrillas want independence from Russia for their province, whose indigenous population is mostly Muslim.
And the remainder of which is required to become so...
The last time Chechen rebels made the world’s headlines, it was for one of the most shocking terrorist acts in recent years. A little over a year ago, a group of armed Chechens stormed a Moscow theater and took 700 people inside hostage. After Russian security officials pumped a potent sleeping gas into the theater, more than 100 of the hostages died from the substance. No surprise then that Japanese officials have apparently greeted the reports of Chechen guerrillas entering their own country with extreme alarm.
"Ichiro! What the hell is this?"
The reports originated with the security officials of various countries who then relayed them to their Japanese counterparts, warning them to be on alert. The authorities here, however, are frustrated because they have no records to go on to show that the guerrillas ever entered the country. "These guys are pros, so it’s believed they used phony passports," the Justice Ministry source explains.
Keeping an eye on boat traffic in the Kuriles?
So why did they chose to come to Japan? A source with Justice Ministry connection explains: "The initial information said the Russian Embassy in Tokyo and the consulate-generals in Osaka and Hokkaido might be bombed, which naturally caused serious concern. But more recently, even more ominous information is starting to come in." The source is referring to reports that put the number of the terrorists here at 10. "Any military expert knows that 10 is the minimum number of people needed to form a military unit," the source says. "Let’s not forget that these Chechen guerrillas are, after all, military men."
Forget that idea. They're no more military men than Saddam was. They're gangsters.
Taisei Ugaki, a military commentator, says that in such a unit each fighter would have a specific role to play when bombings and other such terrorist attacks are undertaken. "You would have a commander, a mastermind, people with skills in bomb-making and communications and someone else in charge of obtaining smuggled materials," he says. "As long as we don’t know what these people’s capabilities are, we can only guess what their objective might be."
Well, we know they like to do things in large groups. And that they like to use women as boomers, once their function as breeding stock's been fulfilled...
Another source of worry for Japanese authorities is the link between the Chechen rebels and al-Qaeda.
... which is kinda like the link between my teeth and my gums.
According to a recent U.S. State Department report, al-Qaeda has sent some of its people to Chechnya to help local guerrillas plan a nerve-gas attack aimed at killing Russian civilians. That’s a chilling development, considering a message received two weeks ago by a Saudi newspaper in which al-Qaeda claimed responsibility for four bombings in Turkey that killed more than 50 people. It added that one of its next targets would be Japan.
And Japan has a certain amount of experience in undergoing nerve gas attacks...
Posted by: Dan Darling || 12/13/2003 12:56:42 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Given the relative homogeneity (sp?) of Japanese society, wouldn't these guys...uh, er, be just a little conspicuous?
Posted by: Jeff || 12/13/2003 3:00 Comments || Top||

#2  The turbans are a dead giveaway.
Posted by: Glenn (not Reynolds) || 12/13/2003 4:04 Comments || Top||

#3  And I think that the women leading would sorta look out of place, too. A good Chechynisianeranian man walks two paces behind his Suicide Squad Leader woman.
Posted by: .com || 12/13/2003 4:28 Comments || Top||

#4  "Any military expert knows that 10 is the minimum number of people needed to form a military unit," the source says. "Let’s not forget that these Chechen guerrillas are, after all, military men."

Must not have seen the Army recruiting ads.
Posted by: Shipman || 12/13/2003 7:53 Comments || Top||

#5  Jeff __ no more conspicous than a 6'4" arab attached to a kidney machine and they still haven't found that syphilitic motherfucker.
Posted by: Mercutio || 12/13/2003 16:24 Comments || Top||

#6  This has to be paranoia. Every person in Tokyo has one of those cell phones that take pictures. These clowns wouldn't be able to walk ten steps in public without getting their mug e-mailed to the cops.
Posted by: Super Hose || 12/13/2003 20:37 Comments || Top||


Home Front
Canadian probed for al-Qaeda ties
A Canadian citizen arrested as a material witness in Minneapolis this week has said he knew terrorism suspect Zacarias Moussaoui and is under investigation for other possible links to the al Qaeda network, law enforcement officials said. The man, identified by the Canadian government as Mohammed Abdullah Warsame, has told investigators that he attended an al Qaeda training camp in Afghanistan with Moussaoui and lived with him at one point, authorities said. The government is seeking to compel Warsame to testify in front of a federal grand jury in New York, Canadian and U.S. officials said. Several officials played down Warsame’s significance to the case against Moussaoui, who is the only alleged conspirator in the United States to face terrorism charges directly related to the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. "It doesn’t seem that he is going to wind up, in the final analysis, as being such a big deal," one official said. "The guy doesn’t pop right out of the woodwork as a crucial part of understanding the case or Moussaoui’s involvement in it."
It sounds like he's just more cannon fodder, on the same level as Moussaoui, only maybe not as important...
The same official added that Warsame "is more interesting in his own right than for how he relates to Moussaoui." A name similar to Warsame’s — Mohamed Warsama — was listed on a Kenyan business card seized in 1997 from Wadih el-Hage, a Lebanese man who became a naturalized U.S. citizen and worked for several years as Osama bin Laden’s personal secretary, court records show. Hage was convicted in New York in 2001 for his role in the 1998 U.S. Embassy bombings, which killed more than 200 in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania. Investigators declined to say whether the business card played a role in Warsame’s arrest.
Snipping away what we know already about him being a Somali ...
Heffelfinger and other authorities were angry about the public disclosure of Warsame’s name, one official said, because investigators were hoping to use Warsame as an intelligence source. Farah told the Star Tribune that before her husband’s arrest, he called to tell her that FBI agents were at their apartment and had offered him money to cooperate. The FBI field office in Minneapolis declined to comment.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 12/13/2003 12:06:15 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I wonder how long it will take the Saudis to get his wife a new passport and a one-way ticket for the hajj.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 12/13/2003 10:31 Comments || Top||

#2  This probing .... is it anything like the alien abduction probings?
Posted by: ed || 12/13/2003 18:05 Comments || Top||

#3  I thought the Candians had told all their terrorists that it was dangerous to travel to the US. They were supposed to all stay home to cripple our economy until we gave terrorists better treatment at the border.
Posted by: Super Hose || 12/13/2003 21:29 Comments || Top||


Africa: West
Nigeria warns bounty hunters off Taylor snatch
Nigeria is warning a British-based mercenary outfit that it would resist any attempt to capture the former Liberian leader Charles Taylor, who is living in exile under Nigerian protection. "Anyone who comes into Nigeria illegally to carry out illegal acts will be treated as an outlaw and be given the punishment that outlaws deserve," said Remi Oyo, spokeswoman for President Olusegun Obasanjo. "I will not worry myself about head-hunters and those who are seeking bounty and booty."
Good idea. Just put the whole idea out of your head...
Northbridge Services Group Ltd is a "private military company" whose website lists offices in Britain, Luxembourg and Ukraine. It announced this week it is seeking investors for a mission to seize Mr Taylor and hand him to a war crimes tribunal in Sierra Leone. "We are willing to split the profits of the reward should they be interested in furthering negotiations into funding an operation to bring the said indictee to the special court," Northbridge said. In September, the United States passed a law setting aside $2 million to serve as a bounty on Mr Taylor's head for anyone who could get him to Sierra Leone, where he stands accused of backing a brutal rebel group. The special tribunal in Freetown enjoys the support of the United Nations, and the global police agency Interpol has issued a warrant for Mr Taylor's arrest to face charges that he funded and incited atrocities there during the 1990s.
Snatching deposed African dictators tends to make African dictators who haven't yet been deposed feel uncomfortable.
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 12/13/2003 00:02 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "Is it just me, or is it getting a bit warm in here?"
Posted by: Seafarious || 12/13/2003 0:21 Comments || Top||

#2  As the father of a young woman, I am growing more and more concerned with those seeking booty.
Posted by: Super Hose || 12/13/2003 20:09 Comments || Top||

#3  Good one Super Hose, I couldn't think of anything that would get under a PG-13 rating.
Posted by: whitecollar redneck || 12/13/2003 21:06 Comments || Top||


Africa: Southern
Thabo criticises Howard's role in Zimbabwe decision
South African President Thabo Mbeki has accused Prime Minister John Howard of riding roughshod over the Commonwealth committee which examined Zimbabwe's inclusion in the group. Mr Mbeki has accused the Commonwealth of not working to resolve Zimbabwe's problems.
Bob is Zim's problem. He's not working to solve it...
In his weekly letter to the ruling African National Congress, Mr Mbeki says some members of the Commonwealth were more set on extending sanctions against Zimbabwe than on sorting out the political and economic crisis in the country.
He's talking about those problems Bob would be taking care of, if he wasn't the root of them...
The Commonwealth asked the troika of Australia, Nigeria and South Africa to examine the Zimbabwe situation at its summit last weekend. The summit in Nigeria decided to indefinitely extend Zimbabwe's suspension. Zimbabwe responded by withdrawing from the 54-nation group. Mr Mbeki says the question of land redistribution in Zimbabwe was never discussed. Mr Mbeki accused Britain, the United Nations and the European Union of failing to honour commitments to help finance the redistribution of farms in Zimbabwe. Mr Mbeki made no mention of Mr Mugabe's human rights record in the letter on the ANC website.
Bob has a human rights record?
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 12/13/2003 00:02 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Yes, he even has a "Greatest Hits" album
Posted by: Ben || 12/13/2003 4:08 Comments || Top||

#2  Ow. That hurt.
Posted by: Fred || 12/13/2003 9:59 Comments || Top||

#3  It was rated two batons up.
Posted by: ed || 12/13/2003 11:21 Comments || Top||

#4  It was rated two batons up.

That's not funny... that's sick.

Wish I'd said it...
Posted by: Shipman || 12/13/2003 13:45 Comments || Top||

#5  This from the Spectator makes an interesting read.
"More than 1,000 South African farmers have been killed since the end of apartheid: Andrew Kenny stares into the heart of darkness."


This is why the South African government supports and applauds Robert Mugabe in Zimbabwe.
Posted by: Barry || 12/13/2003 14:05 Comments || Top||


#7  Mr Mbeki accused Britain, the United Nations and the European Union of failing to honour commitments to help finance the redistribution of farms in Zimbabwe. I guess the blood of the white farmers is on the hands of the world community for failing to fork out the promised protection money.

I am struck by the fact that investment in China actually seems logically superior to investment in Africa of many countries in South America.
Posted by: Super Hose || 12/13/2003 20:01 Comments || Top||

#8  Mr Mbeki made no mention of Mr Mugabe's human rights record in the letter on the ANC website.

Of course not. If he did, he'd find himself booted out of his job by the rest of the ANC.
Posted by: Pappy || 12/13/2003 21:41 Comments || Top||


Africa: East
Wahhabism in Somaliland
On November 21, 2003, Somali journalist Bashir Goth wrote an extensive article detailing how Saudi Arabia's Wahhabi Islam has corrupted the Islam of his native Somalia. The following are excerpts from Goth's article, which appeared in the Addis Tribune:
Recently, I came across news reports on the activities of a group of clerics calling themselves 'the Authority for Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice' trying to impose draconian moral codes on Somaliland citizens
 I cannot sit back and watch these people humiliate our women, destroy our beautiful culture, hijack our religion, and denigrate the reputation of our country worldwide...

Nowadays, it is sad to see
 that the ideal harmony between Islam and Somali culture is swept aside by a new brand of Islam that is being pushed down the throat of our people - Wahhabism. Anywhere one looks, one finds that alien, perverted version of Islam that depends on punctilious manners more than it depends on deep-rooted faith. A strange uniformity
 has crept into the social manners of our people. The unique fashion and identity of our people has changed forever. We have become a people without fashion, without culture, and without identity


It is a pity
 to see that, at a time when Saudi Arabia, the home of Wahhabism, is reassessing the damage that Wahhabism and extremism had done to their country's name and to the reputation of Islam all over the world
 that Wahhabism has to find a save-haven in our country."

Wahhabism is an austere and closed school of thought promulgated by Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhab Najdi in the 18th century. [It discards] Islam's
 four legal schools as corrupted
 [whereas] traditional Somali religious scholars read all four schools of thought (madahib) with equal respect and open mind
 Wahhabism, is the only school that compels its followers strictly to observe Islamic rituals, such as the five prayers, under pain of flogging, and for the enforcement of public morals to a degree unprecedented in the history of Islam
 Where[as] Wahhabism sows hatred and rancor even among Moslems, Sufism preaches sulh-e kull (universal peace) and Mahabbat e-kull (universal love).
"Blasphemy! He must be killed!"
For these fanatics, the breast of the countryside mother who suckles her baby while selling milk in the streets of Hargeisa is a sin, not motherhood as many of our ordinary souls would see it. It is this obsession with sex, this concept of viewing women only as an object of sex, created for man's libido relief, that turned women's body into a thing of shame
 If we let them have their way, these prophets of 'purity' would soon be on a mission to destroy what has remained of our culture. The melodious voices of
 of our women singers we will be history. The cassettes of their songs will be burned in the streets. Just remember Taliban. They want to edit, re-write and censor the treasures of Somali oral literature. Future generations will not be able to enjoy our beautiful folk dances

Got right to the root of the problem, didn't he? Read the whole thing...
It is time to tell these sick men that the bare breast of the woman suckling her child is not about pornography, but about motherhood. The girls and boys sitting next to each other in class are not indulging in a sex orgy, you demented paranoiacs, but enjoying a healthy educational environment. The girl walking in the street without a headcover and wearing a big smile is not about flirting; it is about beauty of life. The woman holding a lively conversation with a male friend in a coffee house or a shopping mall is not about illicit affairs; it is about a much-needed human relationship and a healthy exchange of intellectual ideas. The woman wearing the traditional diric and hagoog and regally strolling in the street is not about indecency but about culture. The nightingale voices of our female singers are not about eroticism, you philistines, but about art, music and enjoyment of one of God's marvelous gifts
 " It is time we have to speak out. If we don't do it today, we won't be able to do it tomorrow. Because there will be no tomorrow as our country descends into 7th century Arabia.
And if you do it, you deserve it. Your culture will be gone, gone to the same place as Libyan culture, as Egyptian culture, to the nothingness of Syriac culture. Your children, your grandchildren, all your future generations, won't be like you — they'll belong to somebody else.
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 12/13/2003 00:02 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Somalia is not exactly a model of anything except, perhaps, chaos. Yet relative to the vast vast majority in Islam, Bashir Goth must be almost unique: a brave and intelligent man who has grasped the crux of the biscuit. What will come of this? Probably a secret fatwa and hefty price on his head paid for by the Saudis.

This is very late and, though eloquently reasoned and bravely shouted from his local rooftop, likely to have little effect. Money talks louder to most. The Wahhabis, unless defanged by having their source of income removed*, will drag all of the Muslims down with them into the abyss of the Caliphate Doom.

* Just a 40km strip along Saudi Arabia's Eastern coast provides 98% of their income. Take it away from them, and the Terror Shit Stops. Take it away forever. It's an ugly serendipity that this largesse fell to one of the most depraved and craven people in history: The House of Saud - who made their deal with the Devil, the Wahhabis, to control it. They didn't create it, they took it from others. Now take it from them. Forever.
Posted by: .com || 12/13/2003 2:12 Comments || Top||

#2  I agree with you .com. Use the oil revenues for third world development.
Posted by: phil_b || 12/13/2003 2:40 Comments || Top||

#3  .com

Am I the only one who thinks the Caliph would be an Arabian?
Posted by: JFM || 12/13/2003 3:34 Comments || Top||

#4  Good idea! It would be fun to hear everyone's idea of the fallout - which no one seems to want to follow thru on, damnit!

Suggested examples: Besides cutting off jihadi murder... it will also offer an immediate major boost to our economy (and our true allies' economies, as well, as we will share the bennies with the Good Guys who've borne the burdens and carried water with us), destroy that artificial capitalist blasphemy called OPEC, and put old hard-currency hack Putin at our feet. You wanna see $20/bbl oil ever again? Well no more nuke tech sales, ya hear, boy? I'm sure we will, with our immediately invigorated economic engine and sudden disappearance of Federal deficits, be able and feel magnanimous as hell with anyone who's not an asshat (Sorry Bob, you're toast!), and straighten out some seriously twisted shit. Drill a lot of wells, plow a lot of fields, sew a lot of GM disease and drought resistant grain, pass out a lot of AIDS drugs cuz we can afford for the Gov't to help underwrite some of the dev costs borne by the few -- while generic knockoffs are cranked out by our supposed freeloader friends... and much much more...

IMO, much of what ails the US is actually external and artificial, such as OPEC - and intellectual property rights theft (from drugs to electronics to defense tech to rock 'n roll) - and playing by WTO rules while most others cheat - and having the lynchpin currency that others artificially peg their currencies to with absurd exchange rates - and a raft of other economic burdens. Politically, as well, we suffer in spite of our largesse and goodwill from that "bite the hand that feeds you" mentality (Egypt, et al), the travesty of the UN, their dithering on important issues (Rwanda, etc) and, instead, focused on restraining us and playing silly diplomatic pseudo-power and vain-glory games in the rear-view mirror of history. Pfeh.

I can't help but wonder just how many ways this would positively affect the world from our POV. On the negative side, as someone pointed out in a thread yesterday, is it possible for [insert country of choice here] to hate us more? Will it matter? Do we care? Time to allow ourselves to get as mean and as hardcore as we need to in order to survive. If we do, we will prosper. It is already our nature to be generous - even to the tools and fools. We are not Rome, nor shall we ever be - the twits can save that red herring just like they can keep the 'Nam quagmire false analogy. Let's rock 'n roll and follow our instincts. No more apologizing for our success.


Just some thoughts that flow from the idea...
Posted by: .com || 12/13/2003 3:59 Comments || Top||

#5  JFM - Who else would be as holy and righteous and self-assured? (Heh, heh) And utterly ruthless and heartless enough to hold it together? And practiced enough in duplicity and nepotism and despotism to keep all those parts oiled? And vicious enough to hold the rest of mankind down?

Nope - none but an Arab could pull that off! Oh maybe the odd Turk could manage it for awhile... but for perfection, there's only one "society" I know of churning out the "right" kind of people for such a job! ;->
Posted by: .com || 12/13/2003 4:05 Comments || Top||

#6  Great ideas.com.To bad we can't get the Dummycheats and the rest of the pc crowd to agree.
Posted by: raptor || 12/13/2003 8:08 Comments || Top||

#7  Maybe it's time for the Dummycheats and PC crowd to be left behind, too. When something gets totally worn out, you throw it away. When something doesn't fit, you throw it away. When something doesn't work, you throw it away or do something else. A large segment of our society sees the Dummycheat/PC philosophy as being a total failure. It's time to walk away, and move on to what works - which, in most cases, was what we had 75-100 years ago, before the grand Dummycheat "experiment" in social engineering.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 12/13/2003 10:54 Comments || Top||

#8  What a great read. Right on Dot.

That whole sexual repressive, paranoid, toothy smil'n, blink'n batted eyelashes,"punctilious manners"... Great if your a sword carrying goat herder. But major player, no. It must end. After that the Mullahcracy. Or vice vs?
Posted by: Lucky || 12/13/2003 11:07 Comments || Top||

#9  Well said, OP! I think just deciding to and following through are what will speak best. Let 'em screech and scream and squirm for 90 days while the pipelines dry up. Oil and Terror, each has its own. The oil will still be there - just waiting for someone to man the pumps, tap the guages, and turn on the tap. The terrorists will vaporize and hit their pre-planned escape routes. We'll hunt them down at our leisure. Without cash, it will be a myriad of tempests in teapots samovars. The fallout will be an amazing chain of events - some completely unexpected. I love surprise endings.
Posted by: .com || 12/13/2003 11:09 Comments || Top||

#10  Lucky - are your referring to their camels?

There's a funny thing about humans. First time you go to the edge of the cliff, your knees get weak and your stomach goes flip... The 20th time, you dangle your legs over and have lunch. Habituation. I figure if we talk about it enough times and everyone hammers it smooth and we knock off the rough edges on each pass that soon enough it's pretty clean, makes hard sense, and the ramifications are not only manageable, they're hugely advantageous. I don't doubt this outcome at all, if everyone will take a swing.
Posted by: .com || 12/13/2003 11:19 Comments || Top||

#11  "I figure if we talk about it enough times and everyone hammers it smooth"

Yes camels. Had a Thanksgiving dinner party and we had a lively debate on the porch. Cigars and Irish Whiskey. The dems of the group were clueless and when pressed on the topic of the war thought that the best thing to do OVER THERE was to nuke them. Nuke them? Nuke who?

Being a student of Rantburg U. And my cohort being a well read individual (The two self employed guys) Had a great time.
Posted by: Lucky || 12/13/2003 11:41 Comments || Top||

#12  That article has been reprinted somewhere in the last week. Frontpage, or Opinion Journal, both of which I read regularly. I can't recall which, offhand. It's certainly an eloquent outcry from a local culture trampled by Saudi imperialism. And BTW, that's the only pure form of imperialism in the world today. It's time we started calling it by the proper name.

I agree with most of what .com says; but it would be a grave mistake to take and hold the oilfields, even in escrow, for more reasons that I care to enumerate right now. It would make far more sense to wait a couple of years for political development, particularly in Shia Iraq. If that goes well, as I think it may, an independent, democratic Shia state could be established in eastern Arabia, after the Coalition boots the House of Saud out.
Posted by: Alan Sullivan || 12/13/2003 11:51 Comments || Top||

#13  Alan - Wait - you're being a tease! Name one or two of your show-stoppers.

I think you misunderstand me. You see, I am deadly serious about taking these fields and NOT giving them back to ANYBODY.

Everyone - I am now utterly and completely reverting to that frame of mind that existed when Teddy Roosevelt was Prez. Regards international "relations" and "law", the real issues at stake here, I've seen nothing of significance or substance since then that I would agree substantially contributes to peace, security, or the pursuit of happiness for Americans. In fact, most of the changes are merely chains, self and otherwise imposed by failed experiments with the League of Nations and the UN. Time to jettison those things which don't work and all of their baggage.

Oilfields? Take them. Pump em. Keep em. Wrap your mind around that, allow the automatic PC reaction to subside, and let the consequences and ramifications reveal themselves to you. I've been at this point and thinking this thought for some time. What do you see when you go there? Honestly.

I don't give two hoots about the comfort zone of Shi'a or Sunni or Salafist or Wahhabist. Or any other religion, for that matter. A person's religion is a personal matter. Period. No special status or place in society. It has no place on the world stage. It belongs in the individual's heart and should be protected utterly when it harms no one else and isn't imposed on anyone else. Wear headscarves or floppy hats or doilies or Hyde Park Ranger handkershiefs. Whatever. The Mooslims will be free to stand on one leg at 3:57 AM, facing any direction that floats their boats, and howl at the moon if it puts peace in their hearts. The oil is gone. They can fund nothing external or intrusive regards anyone else's differing belief system. No apology, no recall, no UN, no nothing. With no rancor in my heart, I could then say: Have a nice day, Islam. Knock yourselves out. Same to all other belief systems: enjoy your God and your families and your services and your hopes and your dreams - right up to the point where you tread upon any these rights of another, that's not allowed.

Clearer? Fire away. Everybody. Fire away. This can only make sense if all of the issues bubble up and get popped in their turn. So go for it.
Posted by: .com || 12/13/2003 12:38 Comments || Top||

#14  The oil will still be there

And there you have it.
I would differ in that the handwringing would go on for a year not 90 days.



Posted by: Shipman || 12/13/2003 13:44 Comments || Top||

#15  .com---I appreciate the time and thought that you have put into the issues of the Saudis and Wahhabis. The idea that I have been harping on the last few weeks has been to cut off the money of Saudi and Iran and the rest will follow. They obviously have no intentions of changing. I do not think that internal reform will work in these countries. They are too polarized. There is no "loyal opposition." Anyone that steps up to criticize or point out a different paradigm will be, well, murdered. It is the ultimate folly to fund your own destruction. So the main question really is how to do this.

We may have a coalition of the willing, but we will not have too many "big players." So we may have to go it alone. That will take strong, decisive leadership, a clear set of stated strategic goals and "well-reasoned" reasons for doing so, and that will take a unified American public backing the leadership.

I think that you have a possible solution, but it is a question of will, timing, and planning. This has to be as carefully planned as a moonshot, where failure is not an option. Maybe to get the ball rolling, a full disclosure by the US government of the activities of the Saudi Royal family aiding and abetting terrorists is the first order of business. We have to build an open-and-shut case on this one. Open the shades and bring in the light of day. I am sure that some of our own past leaders and noteables will fall. But that will be a healthy thing for us, too.

Again, .com, your time and thoughtful comments are much appreciated.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 12/13/2003 13:54 Comments || Top||

#16  AP, .com, et al: may I propose a solution? GWB should publicly declare that 15 of the 19 hijackers were Soddis(fact) , and that insufficient effort and resources have been put to reforming and curbing the Wahhabi infiltration (another fact). Should there be another attack by Saudi citizens or their mercenaries, we will remove the source of their funding (oil) and occupy the oil fields for the benefit of the non-terrorist world. The flurry of royal spittle and turban spinning alone would make the effort worthwhile, and retaliatory attacks would make the occupation a fait accompli....ah, well, I can dream
Posted by: Frank G || 12/13/2003 14:39 Comments || Top||

#17  AP - Thx for your take and your kind words. I have a couple of immediate responses (heh, you knew I would!) to chew on - and more targets for anyone who wants to take a shot:

1) Strong Leader - I don't think we've had a President with the stones to do this for a long time - and doubt seriously we will get another (2008 & beyond) for a similar length of time. Dubya is the guy and he and his admin have already taken the hits for Iraq. How much more enmity is available to pile on? Not much that I can see - it's already well into screech mode, IMO, regards the international groups (ISM, ANSWER, et al), Muslim groups (CAIR, etc.), and the UN where France could buy Eastern Ooogabooga's vote when it suited them in some quid pro quo arrangement. Domestically, it's the same, only it's become sedition, not dissent, IMO. Gauging Donk candidate popularity based upon who really really hates Bush the most, a press that will go silent rather than tell any good news, and the NaziMedia crowd urging people to support insurgency to kill more American troops - well, that pretty much tops it out assuming the Indy mouths don't have the stones to go themselves and become John Walker Lindh's in Iraq. We're at peak now - and Dubya is intact and forgin ahead with policy and leadership that will someday be marveled upon. He's doing the vision thing with real elan, IMHO.

2) Casus Belli - The missing 80 pages will be the bombshell - augmented by what has been learned since - that sum will be presented as our casus belli. I suggest that this be presented after the deed is done, else surprise is lost which means lives lost -- and public opinion takes months to gel, even when the case is solid. I am taking the "It's easier to get forgiveness than permission." approach to maintain surprise and assuming he has the goods on the Saudis to make the case. If he didn't, I don't believe he would've withheld them, so I believe the case actually already exists in detail. Surprise is a key - to prevent sabotage - easily done, as we have seen in Kuwait and Iraq. The world really needs this oil, so it must not be lost to the markets for long. If the price suddenly drops because we have made OPEC instantly obsolete, who besides Russia and, perhaps Norway, outside of OPEC will complain? Consider what that would mean to Germany and France, scrambling to meet their EU obligations as well as their domestic socialist program obligations... A sudden drop of, say, $10/bbl would go a loooong way toward improving their economic health, as it would ours. Think they'd still scream for our blood? If we denied them access to the allied price, yes. If they and everyone else got the same benefit? Interesting equation, no?

3) Timing - Sooner rather than later, please, before the funding includes something truly nasty. Please invoke the doctrine of pre-emptive action. Please save a few hundred or thousand Americans. Please. This is inevitable. Even if we acted today, if the plan and the cash were already in the pipeline and in the hands of one of those rare true believers, it might still happen anyway. I believe domestically, this would make an impact. Only the truly challenged can't see themselves or a loved one in the shoes of the WTC, Pentagon, or air passenger victims' shoes.

I would truly like to see this bashed around and some agreed-upon points kept track of - for I believe this, like the death of the UN, will be one of the actual final options that must be considered. Will we do it before we get hit hard and ugly? Certainly not if we dither about. Who knows who reads Rantburg? Maybe a friend of a friend of a friend will pass along some of our take and discussion... Why not, eh? It could happen. ;-)
Posted by: .com || 12/13/2003 14:40 Comments || Top||

#18  Frank - excellent points. The only issue I would have is the surprise lost, which would prolly lead to resistance of some level and some lost lives. And you know there would be the booby-trapping / sabotage of the facilities that they would undertake, too. No poorer loser than a zealot, whether ex-smoker, ex-wife, or ex-Royal.

They have lost control of the jihadi juggernaut - they don't have close control over or accounting of the funding, as has been pointed out here in RB, so they are probably only vaguely aware of operational aspects - probably hear about it when someone comes to gloat - and ask for more.

I love your take on the casus belli: They have, indeed, already earned their retirement from the world stage - in spades. I would like, afterwards, to go after their bank accounts and turn that over in a slow and regulated trickle to the new Beduin Saudis who are sans-oil. Hey, the UN would love to admin another program, right? Heh, just kidding, Fuck the UN. Let Save The Children run it, they'd do a 10x better job! ;->
Posted by: .com || 12/13/2003 14:51 Comments || Top||

#19  .com, a very interesting idea with only one slight problem that I see. What if the Sods determine to do their oil rigs what Saddam tried to do to his? Namely rig them with explosives and set them to command detonate? Also 40km is a long strip of land to guard, I suppose tho we can just use minefields hehehe ;)
Posted by: Valentine || 12/13/2003 15:02 Comments || Top||

#20  The Saudis are a weird mix of arrogance and paranoia. Surprise is the key. If there was any obvious pre-existing plans for sabotage, I'd know about them because I know 50 engr's who travel the facilities - and that's fresh within the last 7 months since I left and came to Thailand.

But I DO have a little surprise for you, if interested...

There ARE some facilities of dimension and function that 99% of the world is unaware of. The Saudis have been spending amazing amounts on "defense":

"Saudi Arabia has lavished a staggering $386 billion on weapons and other defence and security sectors over the past 22 years to become one of the biggest arms spenders in the world in budget terms, according to official figures.

The figure accounted for more than 33 per cent of the Gulf Kingdom's total expenditure between 1981 and 2003 and as high as 10 per cent of the gross domestic product in some years, showed the figures by the Saudi Arabian Monetary Agency (SAMA).

Despite a steady plunge in crude export revenues during that period because of slackening prices and production by the world's dominant oil power, defence spending has not been affected and continued to put strong pressure on the budget.

Between 1981 and 2003, the country's cumulative budget allocations for defence and security totalled around 1.45 trillion Saudi riyals ($386 billion), accounting for as high as 33.5 per cent of the cumulative expenditure of 4.32 trillion riyals ($1.15 trillion), according to the annual report by SAMA, the Kingdom's Central Bank."

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If you looked at the Saudi military you would wonder where the money was going - all they seem to manage is to buzz Aramco in F-15's and Tornados and irritate people. Well, it's going into the construction of some amazing underground shelters, that's where. And surprise would be the key to these, as well. Saddam wasn't the only one to look to this approach. The scale would blow you away. But the fact is, they are defensive, not staging areas, inhabitants could easily be pinned down and kept in them, and the arms storage is not the paramount consideration: food, water, and fuel are. The locations are certainly well known to the US gov't. Any within the take-away zone would be a no-brainer bunker-buster (direct occupied space hit or entry-sealing) away from disaster, if they failed to comply with orders to vacate. These sites are for holding out aginst their own, in my opinion, not professional troops.

Just FYI and entertainment. If any others who've been to the Magic Kingdom can expand or correct this, please do. 8-)
Posted by: .com || 12/13/2003 15:23 Comments || Top||

#21  Love the commentary, and love the fact that .com has the stones to argue something that would be an instant conversation-stopper at 99% of the cocktail parties I'm required to attend at the university.

But it ain't going to happen.

I say that as someone who is intrigued by the idea. Put the oilfields of the "New East Arabia Democratic Trust" under practical US control with an international (NOT U.N.) board formed by the coalition of the willing. Make sure the annual report is proper. Pump the oil. Put liens on all the House of Saud money everyone we can find it -- might not work but it will encumber the French and Swiss. Eastern Arabian citizens who can live with this idea get 50 years to build a democratic, stable society, after which they can petition the international board for a transition to independence (say over another 10 - 20 years). In 70 years we might not NEED oil.

Not going to happen, and here's why: it's one of the few things the US could do that would INSTANTLY unite Europe, Russia, China and much of the 3rd world against us. The reason is simple -- unlike us Rantburgers, they won't take the two minutes it takes to think this through.

C'mon, they're leftists, they don't think all that much, they just recite.

The political dimension would be staggering. Even if Americans (who by and large rightly consider themselves the "good guys" in any fight) would forgive GWB for a lightning seizure of eastern Arabia, most of the rest of the 1st world never would. The French would be insane, not that we'd notice. Russia could be provoked into making nuclear threats (all they have left given what the Chechers have shown us about their army) and that wouldn't be good. We wouldn't get 5 votes in the UN, not even Micronesia's.

Great idea in theory, but we can't do it ourselves. We have to let the oppressed Shi'a citizens of eastern Arabia raise their social consciousness to the point where they rebel. When they do, THANK GOODNESS the US will just happen to be in the neighborhood with air cover, a naval strike force, special ops guys all over the place and a brigade of Marines. We're there to cool off the situation, of course. Then we could have an international commission (NOT the UN) take, oh, 5 years or so to decide that the eastern Arabians have a point and ought to have their own democratic, secular, Western-oriented state with mutual defense treaties with the US and UK. Eventually. And in the meantime an international trust would keep an eye on things.

.com, buddy, there's more than one way to skin a cat. You be the chief plotter leader, and I'll plan the skullduggery. Alaska Paul provides the air cover, Fred does intel, Frank runs special ops, and JFM and TGA handle medical relief for Europan leaders who need their pills. Lucky gets the Shi'a to go along, Shipman gets a coveted role in the diplomatic core and Jarhead, of course, is our brigade leader.

Stevestradamus takes point.

I love it when a plan comes together.
Posted by: Steve White || 12/13/2003 18:02 Comments || Top||

#22  "Not going to happen, and here's why: it's one of the few things the US could do that would INSTANTLY unite Europe, Russia, China and much of the 3rd world against us."
Ah. And they're not now. *snicker*

Why so skeered? You're in the Army of Steve!

A complicated subterfuge to almost get to the same place, but not really. Sigh. Okay, keep 'em coming! Rip, shred, tear, spindle, fold, and mutilate!
;-)
Posted by: .com || 12/13/2003 18:57 Comments || Top||

#23  OK, as long as I can use German pills PLUS a hammer. Although I wouldn't bank on the Shiites. Far more effective to have Al Qaeda have its way with finishing off the House of Saud and then "rescue" the country. With Shiite help if need be.

If the 3rd World had a clear moment of thinking they'd realize that the Arabs have killed millions by using oil as a weapon. The 1st world survived the oil shock with economic trouble and rising unemployment. But few studies are published about what the oil embargo of 1973 and the following OPEC blackmailing did to the emerging economies of Africa and elsewhere. I challenge anyone to prove to me that this didn't cost millions of African lives (hunger and diseases). Funny enough, they prefer it to blame on the West.

The whole plan of .com isn't that far fetched anyway. I bet that the Pentagon has this worked out already. Sadly it will probably only happen when Al Qaeda manages to strike us with WMD. When this happens, you bet that ALL roads will lead to Riyad.

Until then the PC part of the world will prefer to leave the oil in the hands of debauched fanatic terrorist financing Wahhabis than let the "greedy" US get its hands on it. Not even for the sake of all mankind.
Posted by: True German Ally || 12/13/2003 19:21 Comments || Top||

#24  Not going to happen, and here's why: it's one of the few things the US could do that would INSTANTLY unite Europe, Russia, China and much of the 3rd world against us."

Your point? Europe is entirely dependant on Mid East Oil (far more than the US). Russia is entirely dependant on US investment, and China is dependant on Wal-Mart.

The way things are going, it is entirely possible that SA will implode before we need to do anything. I believe we need to deal with a pre-nuclear Iran as a first priority.
Posted by: john || 12/13/2003 19:33 Comments || Top||

#25  It may be a bit late to come back the next day. Sorry. But if .com is still around, I can be more specific about the reasons for pause and planning before execution of his scheme.

We do have to share this world with the rest of its inhabitants, and the time for such high-handed appropriations is past. We could do it, certainly, but that doesn't mean we should--until the groundwork is laid. Stabilizing Iraq has to be the top priority now. Iraqi oil can be used to squeeze profits for the Saudis, Iranians, and other hostile states like Venezuela. The Russians won't like it, either, which is just fine.

When the Shias of Iraq start to enjoy the benefits of self-government, pressures will build in other Shia populations around the region. This is the wedge with which we can break Islamism. In time, we may use force against the Wahabbis, but only for the benfit of the local population. With the Iraq precedent in place, a secular republic could be established in the eastern provinces.

The world will not permit America simply to take and keep the oil. We would raise too great a counterforce, if we took your direct approach. I don't mean an Arab army would march into Washington. I mean that universal hostility would further undermine our own Republic. To avoid this fate, we must be patient and cunning. These traits are not natural for Americans, but the current Administration seems to possess them, and it will almost certainly have five years to proceed. This won't be easy. But your notion would spell ruin for everyone.
Posted by: Alan Sullivan || 12/14/2003 14:19 Comments || Top||


Middle East
Amid ceasefire bid, Fatah plans suicide attacks
The ruling Fatah movement, which pressed the Islamic opposition for a ceasefire in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, has been planning suicide attacks against Israel.
Oh, I am overcome by surprise! I must go lie down!
Israeli security sources said Fatah insurgents have been ordered to carry out a range of suicide operations against civilian targets inside Israel. The sources said the insurgents, financed mostly by Iran and Hizbullah, have come from such northern West Bank cities as Jenin and Nablus and were in contact with key aides of Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat.
Yasser? Directing suicide boomers? When did that start?
In one case, the sources said, Fatah insurgents were ordered to coordinate suicide bombings of Israeli civilian targets during the Egyptian meeting with Palestinian insurgency groups in Cairo. The 12 Palestinian factions failed to agree on a comprehensive one-year ceasefire proposed by Egypt. On Tuesday, Israeli authorities announced the capture of three Fatah krazed killers insurgents accused of planning a suicide bombing in a shopping mall in the central Israeli city of Rosh Haayin. The insurgents came from the Nablus area and included a mother of seven.
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 12/13/2003 00:01 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  After each attack /attempted attack, the Isrealis should drop a MOAB on the home town of each attacker. Tit for Tat, and the Isrealis should make it clear their tits are much larger than Pali tats.
Posted by: ed || 12/13/2003 13:05 Comments || Top||

#2  ed - LOL! Good attention-grabbing description. I like big, uh, Israeli demonstrations of their unwillingness to be shooting gallery bears for the Paleos. The bigger the better, too! ;-)

"The 12 Palestinian factions failed to agree..."
LOL! Right out of the colesseum scene in Life of Brian.

"The insurgents... included a mother of seven..."
Easy to see why she's pissed. At the going rate of $25K USD each, she stood to make a pretty penny turning her offspring into jihadis and could have looked forward to an easy retirement, if we hadn't taken down Saddam. Mebbe the Saudis will cover it for her. Islam loves baby machines. Now gun-totin' insurgent baby-machines should be even better. The Chechins would sure take her. How twisted can it get? About this twisted.
Posted by: .com || 12/13/2003 13:39 Comments || Top||

#3  Arrgh. Make that colosseum, please. Sorry, on a coffee buzz.
Posted by: .com || 12/13/2003 13:40 Comments || Top||



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