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Cry me a river and fill it with herring. I mean, it's not as if all this spoiled krutz's allegations are true. Here's your lips, they fell off when you alleged torture, princeling.
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It clearly states in the manual how per Mil-Spec MIL-C-44048G / MIL-T-44047E that only silk panties must be placed on the heads of royals during interrogation.
From The Los Angeles Times
After years of giving tacit support and back-channel financing to Islamic extremists, the Saudi government has joined forces with the United States in an intensive battle against Al Qaeda in the desert kingdom. For the last year, U.S. intelligence analysts have been sitting side by side with their Saudi counterparts at a secret location here in the capital [Riyadh], sharing raw intelligence and plotting counterattacks, said a former U.S. ambassador to the country, Robert Jordan, and a senior Saudi government official. ... The Saudi security forces, with little experience combating sophisticated extremist organizations, have relied heavily on help from U.S. intelligence agencies, spy satellites and the FBI, Saudi and U.S. officials said.
But just as the Saudi government has shifted its strategy, so has Al Qaeda. In a bid to expand its influence and win recruits from a vast pool of Saudis who have long chafed under the repressive monarchy, Al Qaeda operatives have been switching their emphasis from killing foreigners to assassinating a member of the royal family, people close to the terrorist group and Western intelligence officials said. These sources described the assassination plans, posted on an Al Qaeda website in June, as the next phase in the group's ruthless campaign to topple the government and impose a strict Taliban-like theocracy. ....
In the late 1990s, the Saudis rebuffed American pleas for help in going after the support network in the kingdom that nurtured Saudi-born Osama bin Laden and his Al Qaeda network. The Saudis preferred to see Bin Laden as a symbol of Islamic fundamentalist anger directed at other regimes rather than a threat to its own stability .... A U.S. official who went to Riyadh during that period to seek help tracking the money trail to Al Qaeda said the Saudi government's response was, "Would you like another cup of tea?" ....
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A Muslim leader was punched in the face after a row broke out at the Midlands' largest mosque. Zafar Alam, a Birmingham Central Mosque trustee, was struck on the jaw by a worshipper during a prayer meeting on Friday. Trouble flared when Mr Alam tried to calm 70 year-old Saeed Shaikh who had interrupted prayers to shout abuse. It is thought the agitated man was upset about an article in a national newspaper which compared Muslims to dogs. Mosque chairman Dr Mohammed Naseem said that Mr Alam suffered a swollen jaw and had been left shocked by the incident. "He is a gentle man and probably won't press charges," said Dr Naseem. "But if he does, then of course we will support him." More than 4,000 worshippers watched in astonishment as the man stood up and started shouting during afternoon prayers. One onlooker said: "He was shouting in Urdu and English to the congregation and tried to accuse Dr Naseem and the management of some sort of betrayal. "The man started to interrogate the congregation, asking them if they had read the article comparing them to dogs. "He was worried that the mosque leaders weren't doing enough about things. Some of the trustees tried to contain the man and lead him outside but he refused. He disrupted everyone's prayers and a large crowd formed around him. "He continued to shout and when they tried to drag him out he hit a trustee on the jaw." Mr Shaikh last night confirmed that he had hit a man at the mosque but denied it had anything to do with concerns about racial tension. "I am unhappy about how the mosque is run, and about how Dr Naseem teaches Islam. But I am not unhappy about how Muslims are treated in this country." Mosque officials were meeting yesterday to decide whether to refer the incident to police.
Poland's premier headed to the United States on Saturday for talks with President Bush, saying he plans to explore ways to reorganize the Polish-led multinational force in Iraq in the wake of troop withdrawals by Spain and other countries. Prime Minister Marek Belka, who served as the director for economic policy for the U.S.-led provisional authority in Iraq until March, told The Associated Press he plans to talk with Bush, Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld and others about the prospects of transferring more military duties to Iraqis in the Polish-led zone. "My point would be to do everything to strengthen Ayad Allawi," Belka said, referring to the Iraqi prime minister.
Belka, speaking in an interview at Warsaw airport before departing on his two-day trip to Washington, said he would ask Bush: "What is the prospect of increasing the role of the Iraqi uniformed forces?" Poland has led the multinational force since its inception after the end of the war. It once was a 23-nation force of 9,500 troops responsible for south-central Iraq but has dwindled to 6,200 troops from 16 countries after several pulled out, most notably Spain, which withdrew its 1,300 soldiers after the election of a new government this spring. Poland has stressed it will not abandon its role leading the force, even though it is unpopular at home, but has said it would like to reduce its troops from 2,400 to between 1,000 and 1,500 and put more of the burden on Iraqi forces by early next year.
Belka said he would try to address the logistics of such changes when meeting Monday with officials at the White House and Pentagon, and press the importance of forging ahead with plans to give Iraqi forces more responsibility. "We clearly need it," Belka said. "I don't think anyone can be pleased with what is going on in Iraq, including President Bush and Secretary Rumsfeld." But, he added: "It's not about being pleased or displeased, it's about our common goal, which is how to stabilize Iraq."
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put more of the burden on Iraqi forces by early next year
This is essential and the sooner the better. Until Muslim Iraqis invest their own lives and the lives of their loved ones in their country's national security, they will see the lives of other "infidel" countries' soldiers as expendable. Sorry but that's the truth. Muslims are more closely connected by religion and ethnicity to one another[even to bad guys I suspect]than by gratitude to their infidel liberators.
Posted by: rex ||
08/08/2004 0:46 Comments ||
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rex - It does seem that the burden has indeed begun to shift. Given how many Iraqi police / security forces actions have occurred lately, it appears that there is close cooperation with the US/UK military. At the least there is an Iraqi face out front, and it appears that when the threat assessment says they can handle it - they're going it alone or with only advisors with air assets available. The current dustup with Tater & The Tots (heh, AC!) seems to be the exception - with Sistani OOTC, well, time for hardball and speed. I'd say they are being helped and used wisely - since the handover. The Iraqi bloggers are starting to show pride in them - and they're taking serious hits to earn it. Hell, just standing in line to sign up is serious business.
It's happening, IMHO, and more often than not they seem to be acquitting themselves. The key allegiances won't ever change: family/clan/tribe... the next 3, flavor(of Islam) / Muslim / Iraqi, will flip around according to the deal struck by Tribal Leaders, barring any outstanding blood fueds, etc. So Allawi & Gawar must've schmoozed with tribal tea drinkers...
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You are right.com. It appears there are more Iraqis on the front lines as of late.
I think it would help Iraqi police and military morale if the US would pay them better, too. The $80 Billion approved for re-construction in Afghanistan and Iraq has hardly been spent because it has been so unsafe for contractors to do the work. So I think some of that $ should be spent on Iraqi front-line salaries. Last I heard the Iraqi police and military were not paid very well.
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rex - That would be an excellent use of some of that money! I thought the death benefits to the spouse decision recently was an excellent thing to have done. I will say that, given the risks, the jobs being offered in the police and various forces must not be that poorly paid - they line up every day and present an inviting target to the bomber assholes. Risk / reward common sense tells me it can't be terrible. But better pay and benefits would, indeed, be better - especially in the "quality" of recruits that would likely respond. They are going to need the best professional officer & Sr enlisted corp they can muster - and soon.
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I wonder if this deluge of ass biting trolls is financed by Sorros money and organized I can't admit Gore lost and I can't just moveon.org in origin?
from tacitus: long, but well worth it
"John Kerry, by contrast, is planning to abandon that nation [Iraq] and its people. He is planning to allow, if he must, the enemies who massacred Americans in the clear fall skies of three years past to win in Iraq. He is planning to negate and nullify and heroic sacrifices of our Marines and our allies as they crush Islamism in Najaf. He is planning to blame it on events beyond his control: the international community; the current President; the will of the Iraqi people; the realities of resources, of finances, of logistics. Why, after all, close firehouses in Brooklyn yet open them in Baghdad? Callow rhetoric to prepare for callow defeat. The conclusion is that inescapable. And it's that simple. He's going to withdraw anyway. And the price will be paid in blood."
Posted by: George Taft ||
08/08/2004 1:01:10 AM ||
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Cut and run. Screw the Kerry and the cowards he hangs with.
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Anonymous6005, I've been there and killed the fvckers, your turn you liberal turd, You dems want the draft, get in line bitch or STFU
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Anon6005 - Besides talking to yourself, your gutless turd post is rife with your phobias. Did you get your stupid ass kicked by some scrawny little Texan somewhere along the line? Sure sounds like it. Everybody I've ever met with a chip or grudge against Texas or Cowboys got it from a case of runny mouth - and someone promptly cleared their agenda for some quality hospital time.
Twinkle on off to your mommy, son. Just because you hang out with losers and wannabees doesn't mean your little bubble in life is representative of the whole, fuckwit, many of us here in Rantburg have been there and done that, though some did it when your daddy was hiding up in Kanada peeing yellow snow.
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Lol! The descent into incoherency continues apace! A bonafide moonbat and loonie! Cool! C'mon, fuckwit, let's hear some more - your down/twisted demented spew is primo!
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I am pretty sure this Anonymous6605 ass clown is a 13 year old native of either the EU or Brazil. He might even be a tea smoking, cock bagging, Moose-Limb from Londondinistan. He is even less coherent than I am. He will never learn not to burn the ass candle at both ends I am afarid.
Perhaps someone will give him a mostly empty gas can and a bic lighter to play with.
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Lol! I can shout, don't hear you, bitch! What's your story? How did you get so fucked up and stupid? Diligence is involved, no doubt, but where does your worthless insipid banal story begin? You're a hoot fucktard, little one!
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FB - Oops, sorry, heh, didn't realize anyone else was still awake and, well, yes - I am indulging myself, lol! A gas can 1/2 full of high-test and a fresh Bic sounds like a winning combo for our little friend!
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Anon6005, President Bush gave 6 years of service in the National Guard which is definitely military, unlike sKerry who wangled 4 months and 4 medals out of the Navy on lies and deception!
And the war in and on Iraq was very just and very necessary: America's safer and so is Iraq and the Iraqis are happier.
Can't counter the rest of your "argument" because it makes no sense, except that I think you're throwing around a lot of cow pies at Texas and our Commander-in-Chief.
There are reasons they say "Don't mess with Texas." and President Bush and I are 2 of them.
Take your cheap Mikey Moore cussing some place else.
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Charming, Anonymous.
President Bush, of course, served his country in the Guard--as many of our troops in Iraq are from the NG now--and risked his life everyday flying fighter jets.
And now he serves as Commander in Chief and is still risking his life every day from nuts like you.
With your level of invective, you risk making Al-Jazeera look "fair and balanced!"
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Anonymous 6005: Your English is really, really bad. You need to realize that your English sucks and that you need to take a few more English classes and study up! I can't understand anything you're saying, but it is clear that you are a faggot. And as far as talkin shit about Texas: I lived in Texas and liked it and I don't think you would have the balls to knock Texas in front of me, cuz I'd kick your foriegn ass back to whatever third world country you're from! And so would the other couple MILLION of people that call Texas home. I bet Texas alone could invade your shitty lil' country and enslave it in under thirty days asshole!
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CiT, honey, been a Texan all my life, so I know what you're saying but the expression "Don't mess with Texas," has been applied to W for quite some time and as a fellow Texan you should know it's true!
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Excellent troll baiting all. I give it a 7. Although the East German judge only gave it a 5. I suspect our anonymous guest won't be able to put in the marathon effort of NMM. His/her efforts will remain in the RB Hall of Fame.
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Shep - Which troll? Lol! We have the non-native Engrish speaker troll that kicked it off, the I'm beyond criticism cuz I'm pretending to be a vet with war wounds troll, and our little Hellenic pointless witless turd-master troll.
Are you referring to #1? I have LOTS (read: thousands) of killer images - but they are all far too heroic (ala Boris, et al) - our boy is a fuckwit! Mebbe Ted Rall can do a self-portait - that would be close, methinks.
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WCRN - Yup, we be dated! I started looking for a (semi) relevant smartass image and I scanned for a couple of minutes before it hit me, so I literally did lol!
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This little trolling incident has reminded me... has anyone else noticed, in the past two weeks, an upsurge in posters at semi-conservative weblogs who are a) liberal, but b) don't have liberal arguments, but do all seem to have identical talking points instead? You know, The Chickenhawk Argument, Being a Veteran Should Make You Immune To Criticism, ETC., although I doubt these people would, in a million years, want to see the election limited to military veterans or combat veterans; they also don't have the time of day for any military veteran that isn't parroting the Viet Cong Line Of Propaganda.
Does anyone else find it creepy how these guys all have the same argument, as if this is organized? They don't seem to have different arguments... as I said earlier, they just have talking points. The same talking points. And they came out of nowhere and don't seem to have much connection with the previous center-liberal members of the board.
(And they do all of this as if we've never heard of George Maclellan, or Marshall Petain...)
Anyway, wrapping it up, I'd like to tell whitecollar redneck that I think both he and the EG judge are way off. He didn't mention Juche, so I can only give him a 3.0.
Remember, boys and gurls, mentioning how Juche will help you save the world is mandatory!
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Yeah, I've noticed it, too; judging by the strong scent of fear in the air, I think the Dims are getting desperate.
I doubt it's organized, though. More likely, the idiots simply aren't capable of doing anything more than parroting the talking point du jour. If they had the brains for any more than that, they'd have sense enough not to vote for Kerry.
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Now that you mention it Phil I have noticed it. It certainly has got me wondering. I wouldn't be suprised if there have been marching orders issued from DU or moveon or wherever. I'm not so sure that this election is going to fall Bushs' way any longer. Big story in Jersey today is how Kerry has opened up a 20 point lead here and talk of the Garden state being in play have been silenced. I've long known that to live in this liberal hell hole is not so much to cast a vote for someone in an election but casting a vote to negate some misguided liberal's. There are a huge number of seemingly intellegent people that I come in contact with that truly believe that Kerry is this countries salvation. Ugh, I don't think I can stand a Carter II administration.
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Does anyone else find it creepy how these guys all have the same argument, as if this is organized?
I wish I remember where I saw it, but someone ran the numbers and apparently it IS possible MoveOn or its like has been paying trolls. It would actually be cost effective compared to some other forms of advertising.
There are also companies out there that offer "astro turf" programs. It's not just a Microsoft thing...
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For those who have the desire, I ran across a link on ChicagoBoyz to this bit on Reason online - the topic is:
Rational Ignorance vs. Rational Irrationality
It's actually a Word doc... Intro excerpt:
"A peculiar feature of beliefs about politics, religion, etc. is that the private repercussions of error are virtually nonexistent, setting the private cost of irrationality at zero; it is therefore in these areas that irrational views are most apparent. The consumption of irrationality can be optimal, but it will usually not be when the private and the social cost of irrationality differ â for example, in elections."
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what really think is thix site needs some sort of 'rant-o-meter' that charts the weeks or even months of ranting , dont know how it'd work but it'd be good ... i can see it now, The Grand Rant O Meter.
Posted by: Shep UK ||
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With a Trolling Quotient, Disingenuity Index, and Talking Point Trash-O-Matic?
And I dont care if Kerry got medals from everyone and his uncle, I applaud that part of his service if its true, and if its now, well there were a lot of guys who inflated theri service and I just ignore em.
Its still does not excuse his behavior when he got back home, nor does it allow any excuse making for his 20 year voting record that is consistently anti-intelligence, and anti-military and pro-tax-and-spend.
Thats why they are pushing this Vietnam service thing - to hide all the other stuff behind the angry rhetoric.
Problem is that it doesnt wash - and that there are lots of veterans and some combat veterans in all the "conservative" places - so the "credentials" argument doesnt wash (i.e. You cannot criticise unless you served in a war) - we have the experience and the stones to call Kerry out. And unliek the mainstream press who fellates everythign Kerry does, we do call him on it. Clear, and on the facts.
And thats what pisses them off so much that they are reduced to gibbering idiocy like our trolling little DU'er here.
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.com, I have a feeling that the private cost of irrationality is going to go up dramatically in the next few years.
The WoT has created a situation in which various fantasy ideologues actually incite and support terrorist violence on the basis of various strawmen and commercially propagated myths that form the basis of left-conformist pop-culture. The left's own mythology will bring it to ruin.
A specific example from recent days: Survivalist/wingnut elements are going absolutely ape-shit over the decision to bring in international observers to monitor this fall's election.
The BS/action ratio for this element is very high, but this is probably the loudest and angriest I have ever seen them, and a big enough smoke cloud must eventually contain some fire.
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I chased the "SwiftBoats" thing yesterday across about 30 blogs. Some of the same 30 or so people showed up in every one of them eventually to "contest" the testimony, disrupt the argument, and literally try to shut down the discussion with their crap. Yes, it's organized, but whether it's on a large scale, or just a few people, I can't say. It's possible it's from DU, or Moveon, or one of the dozens of other moonbat groups, or the entire lot of them marching in lockstep like the lemmings they are. The only thing it proves for sure is that the entire lot of them cannot come up with a single intelligent point on their own - kind of like our local moonbat trolls above.
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oldSpook, the DNC logic now is that you cannot criticise unless you served under Kerry in Vietnam. If you did not you cannot comprehend what to was like to fight in Vietnam.
I was never in Vietnam myself -- I think I was about 10 at the time and, contrary to the Michael Moron we dont sent children to war. So I cannot comment on how it actually was there because all I know is second hand. I used to feel that it was a pointless and useless war but since I started reading Rantburg (and a lot of other non-media sources) I've changed my mind and detest those who (like Kerry and the media, my old history and social studies teachers from school, etc...) lied to me before with their anti-war bullshit about it.
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AC - You're dead right - there are serious consequences to actions such as casting a vote. You wouldn't know it, given the idiocy and amazing poll numbers. I am boggled - and grimly determined to vacate if the moonbats succeed.
I recall Paul Simon's wonderfully vicious slam of pseudo-intelligentsia and elitist fauz vocabulary in The Dangling Conversation - though it must've gone right over their pointed little heads. Sigh. So apropos and so accurate.
Nothing fazes the loonies. You can point out hundreds of facts, from Gorelick's wall and Clinton's 8 yr nap setting us up for disaster to Skeery's traitorous behavior and cluelessness, and the loonies will do what Paul Simon said in another great tune, The Boxer, "All lies in jest, still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest."
I am boggled. Our survival with the minimum damage is (or should be) our paramount concern, and only Bush (with whom I have bones to pick over a few domestic policies!) has shown the vision and guts to seriously grapple with it. So many ignore this a priori and, instead, focus to dipshit pet peeves such as the moronic notion of the 2000 coup de tat. WTF will that matter if thousands of us die and our economy is crippled, bringing down the rest of the world with us into a global recession? Amazing.
I'm grimly determined to get the fuck out of Dodge should the moonbats prevail. It will set us back 10 years to give Skeery 4 - and I don't have the time to waste nor the desire to be an easy target. I know where to go and how to lie low - so that's what I'll do.
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Sorry, .com, but this is Rorke's Drift: you have to hold until relieved.
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"I'm grimly determined to get the fuck out of Dodge should the moonbats prevail."
I'll probably stick around, but if I do I'll be praying the whole time for a right-wing military coup. And if that should happen, and they decide the solution is to round up the moonbats and put them in camps somewhere out in Nevada, it won't bother me a whole lot.
The way I see it, a Kerry victory would convince allies and enemies alike that we Americans have lost our goddamn minds as well as our balls; the former will conclude it's now every man for himself, and the latter will conclude they've now got a green light to go forward with their aggressions.
If Kerry is elected president, prepare for a ride that's wilder beyond imagining.
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IF Kerry wins, the Red states should secede. This time, I think the entire military will be on our side. Let the Blue looney-tunes live in their fantasy world. We'll see how long they last, with nothing but idiocy to support them. I'll wager it'll take less than six months to reduce THEM to eating grass and tree bark (not much grows in the Blue states, and the Envirowackos will shut down 90% of that..).
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OP - Though he reversed the colors, here's a little goodie that Kim du Toit tossed off awhile back - enjoy! I'll swap 'em or make a new, better-res version if you want one!
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sounds like it was a left arm, huh?
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08/08/2004 16:40 Comments ||
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Here we see yet more evidence that alcohol abuse and RB posting do not mix
I beg to differ. Some of my best commentary was done under the influence ;-p
Posted by: Rafael ||
08/08/2004 16:58 Comments ||
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(%)> Me too Raphael.... at least, I think so... LOL
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I removed the 6005 and 6012 trolls at about 4:30 pm today -- problem is, I scroll down, see these, and hit the troll-o-matic button (Fred makes it SO-o-o-o-o convenient) before I saw all the fun everyone was having. Sorry guys, I'll scroll all the way to the end next time.
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On the secession idea, if you look at the 2000 election map, we're not talking blue STATES, we're talking blue counties and precincts. Most of the countryside in the blue states is in fact red.
However, I don't like secession -- one, we fought about that already, and I'd hate to do it again, and two, I live in a blue county right now, and I'd hate to move.
Posted by: Steve White ||
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no prob SW - it's too easy, like baiting kids on the short bus....come to think of it, they pro'lly rode the short bus
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It wouldn't surprise me, should Kerry win and the terrorists strike again, to see a huge spike up in vigilantism.
All the crap floated by C.A.I.R. about how 'poor' Muslims got flipped the bird post 9/11 will pale in comparison.
I think Bush's hardline determination to go after the jihadis overseas placated a lot of folks. Kerry won't do that and so mosques will be bombed, cabbies will be shot, gas stations will be torched, etc. It will really suck to be a Muslim here if Kerry wins.
Many innocents will be hurt and many guilty will be killed 'extrajudicially'; the way the R.U.C. used to tip off Ulster death squads regarding IRA suspects that couldn't 'legally' be touched. Cops know even if judges don't.
This isn't a threat on my part, just a prediction.
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Ah, Canada is mad. "Oh Canada, I drop my guard of thee" is how the song should run, given their mass disarmament. Also, they have made it a crime to diss the gay lifestyle.
Nice rabbit, .com
Anonymous6012, go fly a kite and get busted under the Migratory Bird Treaty Act.
#67
Kerry should do America a big favour and "withdraw anyway" from the election!
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Hey Anonymous6005 why donât you send that faghety son of your to fight in Iraq, whear a shirt of the hillbilly Texan moron in chief, and proudly display your shitkicker association to the united Chicken of America contributors of rantburg
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You faghety compu nerd the only thing you kill is the flies in the shit that is around your wheelchair do not associate criticism of the bastard moron in chief and the self proclaimed CONSERVATIVE CHICKENHAWKS that never served in the military like your prez, and vice fuck you prez. For opposition to this unjust not necessary war a real conservative always OBJECT the true motive of an idiot in position of command
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OOPS I tot this rantburg crap was a sort of frustrated senior in Prozac sort of debate base or a I want to be in beautiful Haifa condo but because I cannot afford the trip (chip Jew) I will endure my senior Orlando swamp resort senior are very bitchy
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Hey www.greatestjeneration.com if you consider the ADULTERATED National Guard SERVICE of this bastard that you call president you are a real sick motherfucker or you are tacking comfort and hanging around hardy senior in Prozac with no clue about what is going around the world
The only cowboys in TEXAS FOR YOUR KNOLEDGE are nigers spiks and muff divers
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YOU BASTARD MOTHER FUCKER I SERVED THIS COUNTRY AND I LOST MY ARM TO PROTECT SCUM LIKE YOU, THAT IS THE REASON I"M AWACKE STILL AT 3 AM IN THE MORNING. FRED IF YOU DELETE MY COMMENT YOU ARE A BASTARD AS YOUR CONSERVATIVE CHICKENHAWKS SENIORS CONTRIBUITORS. AND YOU ARE ANTIAMERICAN
For much of the past month a fight has been raging in news reports and over the Internet about the behavior of 14 male Middle Eastern passengers on Northwest Airlines Flight 327 from Detroit to Los Angeles. Were the men terrorists casing the plane for a possible attack, as freelance journalist Annie Jacobsen suspected in a long article about the incident? Or were they, as the men said and federal investigators later concluded, a Syrian band on their way to a gig?
Until now, news accounts have only featured government spokesmen or airline personnel who were not actually on the June 29 flight. But in an exclusive interview with TIME, the lead Federal Air Marshal who flew on Flight 327 tells what happened that day. "Bottom line," the FAM says, "there was never a time when my main partner or I felt there was an imminent threat to that airplane or the passengers."
The controversy began in mid-July, when WomensWallStreet.com posted an account of the incident written by Jacobsen, a passenger on Flight 327. She detailed what she said was odd behavior of the passengers (for instance, getting up several times during the flight, going to the bathroom often, congregating in the aisle) and described the increasing concern she and her husband felt. She said the flight attendants were also frightened, so much so that they seemed too scared to confront the men.
Upon arrival in Los Angeles, the 14 men were interviewed by FBI agents and Federal Air Marshals, who determined the men were a Syrian band heading to play a casino in San Diego. After being checked through government databases, they were not charged with any crime or detained beyond questioning.
Jacobson continues to say that something very suspicious was going on. She's written two follow-up articles, and bloggers and mainstream media outlets have picked up the story.
This week, TIME conducted a detailed interview with the lead FAM on board Flight 327, one of the thousands of covert, armed government agents who patrol the skies. The man, who authorities did not allow to be identified by name, is 35 years old and worked previously for another federal law enforcement agency. In that job, he often dealt with foreign citizens.
The FAM, who says for security reasons cannot say exactly where he was sitting, was aware of the group of Middle Eastern men from the beginning of the flight. About 25 minutes after takeoff, a flight attendant discreetly told the FAM that she thought the men were "acting suspiciously" and were congregating near one of the lavatories in the back of the plane. He alerted another marshal on the plane and also told the flight attendant to notify the captain. A short while later, the FAM asked the flight crew member to get physical descriptions of the men and their seat numbers.
He watched the men and saw nothing out of the ordinary. In a long, single aisle plane like the Boeing 757 that was carrying Flight 327, there are often many people standing or moving around. That was the case on this flight, says the FAM, who has flown hundreds of missions in his two and half years on the job. The FAM never saw — nor was he told — of any example of the men interfering with the flight crew (which is a federal crime). He never saw any activity that caused him to ask the pilots to turn on the seat belt sign (which he can request) and keep people in their seats. "Nothing my main partner or I saw on Flight 327 brought us anywhere near a conclusion that we considered breaking our cover or deploying as we've been trained. And we never came close to drawing our weapons."
There was, the marshal admits, one incident that did concern him: when one of the group came from the back of the plane forward to use the lavatory in First Class. The FAM timed the man, dressed in a green jumpsuit with Arabic writing on it; he stayed about ten minutes in the toilet. Immediately after the man returned to the back to the plane, the FAM searched the washroom and found nothing. In contrast to Jacobsen's version, the FAM said at no time did any people congregate near the First Class bathroom.
When the flight was an hour from landing in Los Angeles, the FAM informed his superiors and, as is standard procedure, suggested they meet the plane to interview the men. He told the flight attendant to ask the pilot to alert the authorities at Los Angeles International Airport. That was why the flight was met by federal agents and why the men were interviewed but then allowed to leave in time to make their concert. The FAM's take? "I understand why the passenger felt some anxiety about activity on Flight 327," he says. "But that kind of activity was unusual but not a security incident. There was never a threat to the plane."
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Why does the link at the top of the page go directly to the article at time.com, and not here? Also, why is it in a larger font than all the other entries at the top?
From The Wall Street Journal, an article by Heather MacDonald
.... The administration just cancelled a passenger screening system designed to keep terrorists off planes, acceding to the demands of "privacy" advocates. ... the program's demise also signals a return to a pre-9/11 mentality, when pressure from the rights lobbies trumped security common sense.
The now-defunct program, the Computer Assisted Passenger Prescreening System, or Capps II, sought to make sure that air passengers are flying under their own identity and are not wanted as a terror suspect. It would have asked passengers to provide four pieces of information -- name, address, phone number and birth date -- when they make their reservation. That information would've been run against commercial records, to see if it matches up, then checked against government intelligence files to determine whether a passenger has possible terror connections. Depending on the outcome of those two checks, a passenger could have been screened more closely at the airport, or perhaps -- if government intelligence on him raised alarms -- not allowed to board. Privacy advocates on both the right and the left attacked Capps II from the moment it was announced. They called it an eruption of a police state, and envisioned a gallimaufry of bizarre hidden agendas -- from a pretext for oppressing evangelical Christians and gun owners, to a blank check for discriminating against blacks.
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Whatever else being said, CAPPS II was like a dead raccoon under the porch. A system with little restraint on who could input into it, no central controlling authority, and no way to have erroneous information purged, is NOT a system.
That nobody would take responsibility for this thing should be a major cue that there was something seriously wrong with it. In practice, it was almost like randomly prohibiting people from flying because someone, somewhere had suggested at some time that they, or somebody with a similar name, might be a problem.
I believe it was even abused by some local governments to try an nick people at the airport who had outstanding traffic citations and nonsense like that. "You can't fly because you have an unpaid parking ticket."
We knew this would happen at greater frequency sooner or later. Long article that will make your hair stand on end. nottimes for user name and pw
It's 6 p.m., the busiest time of night during the busiest time of the year at Benito Juärez International Airport. The migration supervisor, Alberto Pliego, calls it Jumbo Hour... "A migrant who makes it past the airport today,'' Mr. Pliego said, "will be in Tijuana tomorrow, and probably in Chicago the day after that."Migrant smugglers - whose business is worth an estimated $1 billion in this hemisphere, second in profits to drugs - do a brisk business at the airport, which receives about 10,000 passengers each day. The Mexican authorities report that a surging number of migrants from all around the world are traveling through Mexico to get to the United States. So far this year, Mexico has detained nearly 112,000 illegal migrants, compared with 150,000 in all of 2001. Authorities said they expected total detentions for this year to reach 200,000. The Mexicans are under tough pressure from the United States, which since Sept. 11 has feared that global terrorists could easily slip into Mexico and then cross into the United States.
The overwhelming majority of those detained are from Central and South America, authorities report. But there are also increasing numbers from as far away as Pakistan, Armenia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Poland, Ethiopia and China. ...Migrants' passage through Mexico, while not new, is surging. The country's border with the United States has long made it a natural transshipment point for all kinds of illegal trafficking including drugs, guns and migrants.
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From The New York Times
.... On Saturday, American authorities said they were close to identifying the main figures who conducted reconnaissance of the financial centers. Armed with multiple leads stemming from arrests in Britain and Pakistan, and aided by a wealth of information from forensic studies of computers seized in Pakistan, the authorities have begun a large-scale investigation. .... Among those in custody is a suspect named Babar Ahmed, who was arrested in Britain this week at the request of the United States. ... Mr. Ahmed obtained detailed information about the movements of the Navy aircraft carrier Constellation ..... As part of the inquiry, Navy officials examined the record of a sailor aboard the Benfold, a destroyer that was part of the Constellation battle group. Officials said they had found an e-mail message from the sailor - who has since left the service - that was sympathetic to Al Qaeda. ....
For reasons still not entirely clear, Mr. Hindi was under surveillance by the British authorities - believed to be acting on information supplied by the United States - even before he is said to have been identified as an operative in the surveillance of American financial institutions.
One senior counterterrorism official said the outpouring of leads had mushroomed into a sprawling investigation in which agencies in the United States and overseas were struggling to coordinate and share the enormous volume of information. The inquiry has caused strains between the United States and Britain. There were signs that some British authorities might not have agreed with the White House decision to make public information about the surveillance operations. .... Officials at MI5, the British domestic intelligence agency, have warned that the intense news media coverage in the United States of recent arrests in Britain could interfere with legal efforts to extradite suspects to the United States. .... A report by Reuters in Pakistan said Mr. Khan had been secretly funneling information about Al Qaeda to Pakistani authorities and that his arrest and subsequent identification in news accounts may have cost the United States a valuable source. American officials contacted on Saturday would not confirm whether Mr. Khan was a mole or double agent. ....
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From The Washington Post
.... The United States has spent more than $1 billion on ... efforts to stop a single threat: the explosion of a car or truck bomb at a government installation or other structure. But 11 years after Muslim extremists used an explosives-laden van to attack the World Trade Center and nearly three years after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, even senior federal agents acknowledge that the country has virtually no defense against a terrorist barreling down the street with a truck bomb. "If a person doesn't care about dying, they can pull right up to a building, push a button and the building would go," said Michael E. Bouchard, assistant director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. "That's why we have checkpoints and try to keep large vehicles away from buildings."
The government has been racing to devise ways to systematically detect and warn against plotters creating truck bombs. But those efforts are embryonic at best, government officials say, even as al Qaeda and other Islamic extremists have used the truck bomb time and again overseas and the threat to use it here is growing. ....
Since the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, the government has hardened federal buildings and military facilities at home and abroad; passed laws restricting the sale of explosives and shipments of hazardous materials; inspected thousands of people who deal with explosives; and researched explosive-detection and vehicle-disabling technology. But the only foolproof defense was on display last week, when heavily armed police sealed off buildings, roads and bridges in Washington, New York and Newark after the government issued an elevated terror alert focusing on five financial institutions. ....
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U.N. Offers to Help Broker Cease-Fire in Iraq Perhaps Kofi wants a chance to cut and run again after he knifes the US in the back? Maybe he is having a hard time making ends meet now the Oil for Food graft has been cut off? Perhaps he just wants to make the US look weak again.
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The Bush administration is trying to find covert ways to sabotage or delay Iran's nuclear weapons programme believing that diplomatic deals struck with European nations have barely slowed Teheran's rush towards the bomb.
Intelligence and administration officials are urgently trying to find secret means "to disrupt or delay as long as we can" the development of an Iranian bomb, one said. The urgency stems, in part, from "increasingly strong private statements" by Israeli counterparts that they may be forced to take military action to stop Iran achieving its dream of a nuclear arsenal.
Iranian missiles could deliver a nuclear payload to Israel or US bases in the gulf
One American official told the New York Times that the Israelis were "doing what they can to delay the Iranian programme, and preparing military options".
It is uncertain that it is possible to stop Iran joining the nuclear club, thanks to the know-how Teheran bought from Dr Abdul Qadeer Khan, the former Pakistani nuclear chief, US officials told the newspaper.
With his appearances now focused on the November elections, President George W Bush rarely mentions Iran and North Korea in public, although the two nations were founder members of his "axis of evil" with Iraq.
Mr Bush's Democratic challenger, Senator John Kerry, has sought to attack him for ignoring North Korea and Iran and concentrating on Iraq, whose nuclear programme has turned out to have been largely moribund.
Such Democratic charges have not gained much traction with ordinary voters. In Middle America the Iraq war is overwhelmingly viewed as a response to the September 11 attacks and part of a campaign to keep America safe from further terror attacks, rather than as a piece in a larger geopolitical puzzle.
Iran has announced in the past two weeks that it was resuming the construction of centrifuges needed to produce weapons grade uranium, dealing a seemingly fatal blow to a deal brokered by European nations last year, to limit Iran's nuclear research.
The national security adviser, Condoleezza Rice, said US leadership had brought the world - including the United Nations watchdog, the International Atomic Energy Authority - round to seeing the menace of a nuclear-armed Iran.
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...Okay - we start by not attacking them, but by airdropping MRE wrappers, NVGs, US coins, little things that say "we were here" NEAR the plant...
Mike
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It's ofcourse your right to think it "great" news that the Bush administration is simply *trying* to find a covert way to sabotage Iran's program, but I think I will restrain my joy for when it actually finds one.
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I have to agree with Aris, guys. Greece is up to its eyeballs trying to keep the Olympics from being a major disaster, and anyway they haven't any ability to be involved on either side of the Iran equation.
Aris, surely there is some effect just by spreading word of this announcement -- certainly if I were involved in Iran's nuke program I would now be double- and triple-checking all my components and raw materials for variation from specifications.... from what I understand, even small variations will cause things to go boom early, late or not at all, none of which are good in a weapon-like thing, yes?
This is Part 7 in a series of articles written by me, Mike Sylwester, inspired by a new book, Nemesis, written by Peter Evans. This part is based on a book titled The Assassination of Robert F. Kennedy, written by William Turner and Jonn Christian. (Part 1, Part 2, Part 3, Part 4, Part 5, Part 6)
Sirhan Sirhan shot Robert Kennedy at about midnight between June 4 and 5, 1968, in the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles, California. About three months earlier, perhaps in about early March, Sirhan was seen at the home of a man named Jerry Owen (born Oliver Brindley Owen) in Santa Ana. Owen was selling his home, so an acquaintance named Bill Powers brought a couple of his own acquaintances, who wanted to buy a home, to show them Owen's home. Standing in Owen's back yard was a man whom Powers at that time did not know but later recognized as Sirhan.
Powers and Owen had known each other about four years. Powers owned Wild Bill's Stables in Santa Ana. Owen owned several horses and boarded some of them at Power's stables. Powers employed a stable-hand named Johnny Beckley, who spent some time training one of Owen's horses at Power's stables. On one occasion Owen was visiting the stables and watching Beckley train the horse. Owen mocked Beckley's efforts and said that he might start using Sirhan instead of Beckley to finish training the horse. Beckley knew Sirhan and sometime saw Owen and Sirhan riding horses together in the countryside.
In about early May 1968, Powers bought a new pickup truck with a hitch to pull a horse trailer. Powers and Owen agreed that Owen would buy Power's old pickup truck for $350. As usual, Owen was short of money (Powers often lent Owen bales of hay to feed Owen's horses), so he paid $50 down and promised to pay the remaining $300 later. On about June 3, Owen drove onto Powers' property in a late-model Lincoln Continental that Powers had never seen previously. Owen greeted Powers and offered to pay the $300, saying that his smallest bill was a $1,000 bill. Owen showed Powers a wad of 25 to 30 $1,000 bills. Power said he didn't have $700 change, so Owen said he'd break a bill at a bank and bring him the $300 later.
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It's called the president's Daily Threat Report (PDTR), or, in bureaucratic shorthand, the Putter. The document is so secret that only about a half-dozen people in the U.S. government are allowed to see it. When the Putter contains especially sensitive information, a red stripe runs down the side. At 6:40 a.m. on Friday, July 30, Fran Townsend, the president's homeland-security adviser and counterterror chief for the national-security staff, opened up her red-striped Putter and received a jolt.
For several months, the U.S. government had been picking up reports from its spies, electronic intercepts and "liaison services" (friendly intelligence services) of a Qaeda plot to strike the American homeland before the November election. High-level Qaeda operatives had been traveling from around the world to the outlaw wilds along the Afghanistan-Pakistan border, apparently to meet and plan, NEWSWEEK has learned. These terror summits had an uncanny resemblance to the Qaeda meeting in Malaysia in January 2000 that firmed up the 9/11 plot. But no one seemed to know the essential details: What were the targets? When would Al Qaeda strike? And were the attackers already in the United States?
The Friday-morning Putter revealed that an undercover operation on the far side of the world was starting to bear fruit. In mid-July, the Pakistanis, working with the CIA, had arrested a Qaeda operative named Mohammed Neem Noor Khan and "flipped" him—turned him into an undercover agent who could lead investigators right into the Qaeda network. The 25-year-old computer engineer was a Qaeda facilitator, a midlevel logistics man who knew and communicated with the top operatives meeting to plan an attack on the United States. In an interview with NEWSWEEK, Townsend recalled thinking, "This is the real deal"—a chance to crack the plot.
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Sudan will accept African troops to protect observers in its troubled western Darfur region, but underlined any peacekeeping role would be limited to Sudanese forces, Foreign Minister Mustafa Osman Ismail said yesterday.
"Yeah. We can deal with it. Matter of fact, we're dealing with it now..."
Ismail also said he had signed a Sudanese-UN pact pledging safe areas for up to 1 million African villagers uprooted by fighting in remote Darfur, which UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan sent to Security Council members on Friday. "We have to make a distinction between three categories. The presence of observers, the presence of protection forces for those observers and the presence of peacekeeping forces," Ismail told reporters in Khartoum when asked whether Sudan would accept African peacekeepers. "We don't have a problem with either the first or the second categories. As far as the third category is concerned ... this is the responsibility of the Sudanese forces." He added that Darfur, which the United Nations has called the world's worst humanitarian crisis, was a regional problem and Sudan was discussing it with bodies such as the African Union and the Arab League, due to hold an emergency meeting today. The AU is proposing sending up to 2,000 troops to protect its cease-fire monitors in Darfur and to serve as peacekeepers, but has yet to send an official request to Khartoum. Sudan has about three weeks left to show the UN Security Council it is serious about disarming marauding Arab militias known as Janjaweed, or face possible sanctions.
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Iraq's interim Prime Minister Iyad Allawi invited Shiite cleric Moqtada Sadr to run in the country's first free elections in decades, as sporadic clashes rumbled on between US forces and his militiamen yesterday.
I think I've run out of different ways to say "those people are crazy"...
Extending an olive branch after US Marines and Iraqi security forces pounded Sadr's Iranian mercenariesMehdi Army for two days in Najaf and Baghdad, Allawi invited the fiery cleric to stand for election. The prime minister's US-backed interim government is due to disband when Iraq holds poll scheduled for January 2005. "I invite Moqtada Sadr to participate in elections next year," Allawi told reporters. The prime minister said he had received "positive signals" about Sadr running but did not elaborate.
"Yeah. If I can't overthrow the gummint, maybe I'll run for office..."
US planes flew over Najaf throughout the day. Gunfire and mortar and rocket blasts grew less frequent by early afternoon, while an ultimatum for Sadr's militia to leave the area expired at 6 p.m. Pummeled in Sadr's spring uprising against foreign troops, hundreds of terrified Najafis have fled their homes to escape the latest fighting. The US military has said it has killed 300 insurgents in the city alone during the recent fighting — although Sadr aides insist no more than nine militiamen have died. Combined tolls from medics put the number of dead at 76 and more than 300 wounded in fighting which spread to Baghdad and other southern Shiite cities.
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âI invite Moqtada Sadr to participate in elections next year,â Allawi told reporters, holding his hand over his mouth to conceal a snicker.
His ass kicked in the field, why not invite the fat man to get his ass kicked at the polls? Kinda makes sense to me, Fred.
The Arab League chief said Sunday that the Sudanese government needs more time to end the crisis in its troubled Darfur region, where purportedly state-backed Arab militias are accused of killing thousands of African villagers. Amr Moussa's call, made at an emergency meeting of the 22-member Arab League on the Darfur crisis, came as Nigerian President Olusegun Obasanjo offered to host peace talks to resolve what has been called the world's worst humanitarian crisis. Obasanjo invited the Sudanese government and rebel negotiators to hold talks in Nigeria starting Aug. 23, a spokesman for the African Union said. Previous talks fell apart July 17 after rebels walked out, saying the Sudanese government had ignored existing peace agreements.
The 18-month conflict began when black African factions in Darfur rose up against the Sudanese government, claiming discrimination in the distribution of the large, arid region's scarce resources. Since then, Arab militias have gone on a rampage, destroying villages, killing and raping. As many as 30,000 people have been killed, and 1 million people have been forced to flee their homes. The U.S. Congress and some humanitarian groups have accused Sudan of genocide, and a U.N. resolution has threatened economic and diplomatic action against Sudan if it doesn't act within 30 days to rein in the militias, known as Janjaweed. Sudan denies backing the Janjaweed and was hoping Arab nations at Sunday's gathering will back it against international pressure.
From The Los Angeles Times
The hearing into whether Army Lynndie England should be court-martialed in the Abu Ghraib scandal was abruptly postponed late Saturday afternoon after defense attorneys argued that another prison guard should be allowed to testify that military intelligence officers sponsored and carried out much of the abuse at the Iraqi prison. England's lawyers also asked to present ... two officers who ran the military intelligence operation at Abu Ghraib. The defense hopes to show that the torture and humiliation of detainees was condoned under the orders of military interrogators. ....
On Friday, defense attorney Richard A. Hernandez of Denver announced that his team had learned that another military policeman, Sgt. Kenneth A. Davis, had given the government a sworn statement tying some of the intelligence unit members to the abuse. ... In his statement to government investigators in May, Davis said Spc. Armin Cruz and Spc. Roman Krol, two intelligence unit members, openly abused prisoners yet never were held accountable. He said they permitted naked detainees to be dragged across the floor in a humiliating episode last fall, according to portions of the statement read by Hernandez.
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I am under the impression that if intelligence officials were that involved, she would not have been allowed in the area at all, much less allowed a camera to make her own porn movies with.
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The Lahore district government has allowed the Jamaat-ud-Daawa (JD) to hold a conference at Minar-e-Pakistan on August 14. A press release issued from the JD media office said on Saturday that the district administration gave the permission after the assurance that no inflammatory speeches would be made and the party would be responsible for the security of the congregation.
"Inflammatory? Who? Us?"
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What woman who was raised as a God-fearing Christian would purposefully marry a Middle Eastern Muslim? Regrettably, Katrina, who unknowingly became a Muslim by marriage, did. Scott Ross sat down with Katrina, author of Married to Muhammed, to learn more about her 14-year marriage to a Muslim, her brave escape, and her new life today.
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KATRINA: When I came out of the wedding ceremony, I saw that not only had my name been changed, but my religion had been changed also. I'd become a Muslim.
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If this weren't coming from a very devout Christian, it would have more impact. Nonetheless, she gets many salient points in there about what happens and what Islam is really about. She is incredibly fortunate that they stayed in the US, that they had serious money, and that he didn't kill her or have her killed - he can afford it. Of course, the story isn't over, yet, is it?
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I really don't mean to be callous or crass, , , BUT HOW FREAKING STUPID ARE YOU IF YOU MARRY A "MIDDLE EASTERN MUSLIM" and don't even know it till after the fact"????????????????????
I'm sorry, but that's about as ignorant a move as I've seen made. :/
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RJB - Well, she agrees with you. But you know there are oodles of airhead people in the werld - just look at today's poll numbers, and I'm not pickin on the wymyns - there's an equal share of myns, too. We read about how they can't find their asses on a map with clues. She was married for 14 years, add a couple since then for her exit and story to come out and then subtract 16 from the age you think she is in the picture - 35 or so? So we're really talking about an apparently sheltered 20 yr old back in the late 80's who was modelling cuz she's real purdy - and nothing much is expected of her. Prolly parties all the time, yadda3, prolly graducated "socially" from HS - etc. Put it all together and yeah, I can picture her story being true: an airheaded little princess gets scooped up by Mr Suave who's thinking, nice bangle & baby-factory, we'll do this quick before anyone can tell her whassaup! And there she was saying WTF?
On the other hand, I feel your pain, too. What was her name? Monica Jablowme or something?
How many times over the last 20 or so years have we heard this same tale about some American chic marrying a Mid East dillweed only to complain after the fact that the same dude treats them like chattle?
Oh, the Klinton deal was funny as hell also! ;)
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RJB - I was introduced to a woman who was thinking of marying a Kuwaiti (he was begging her) and our intermediate friend introduced us since she knew I had just come back from my first gig in Saudi - and she wanted me to talk her loonie friend out of it. I gave it my best shot, over some coffee and lunch outings, but she was a hardcore golddigger at heart - and did it. He took her back there and we never heard another word from her. She was almost 6' tall, blonder than Rita Cosby, and fairly statuesque - I could see why the Kuwaiti guy wanted her for a trophy. She might be doing fine or she might be a beaten old worn out baby-factory, by now. I'm leaning toward the latter. Sigh. Tis sad - she seemed okay when you got past that mercenary streak. But that was her undoing.
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Arrrgh! A sad tale that's been repeated thousands of times I'm afraid.
Years ago in the early 80's I knew an Iranian (went to school with the clown)that was fairly westernized by all accounts except when it came to women. He would be Mr. Suave to them early on, but then would turn into an abusive prick soon after. I remember telling one chickadee that I had a polysci class with to steer clear of the guy, but she was sucked in only to regret her decision later.
Fact is most of these guys have zero respect for women. Damn it's the way their taught, it's in their religion, you'd think everyone was aware of that fact by know. :/
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Reading this article only reinforces my belief that eventually, Islam will have to be exterminated. Completely.
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Depends on whether they see the light in time, or not. My bet is, they won't; that they'll sooner or later do something so horrific that we decide it's either them, or us.
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CiT: Reading this article only reinforces my belief that eventually, Islam will have to be exterminated. Completely.
My feeling is that there are repulsive men of every ethnicity and religion. In my view, the problem isn't really this kind of stuff, which gets around eventually, and scares women off. The problem is that Muslims foment and sponsor terrorist acts against Americans*. What they want to think in the comfort of their homes or mosques is one thing - organizing, tolerating or funding the terrorists in their midst is quite another.
* My concern isn't really with anyone else - I assume they can fend for themselves.
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For me this article demonstrated that we have all been taken in by an image in our minds that we all want to see about the ROP, so not only Katrina has been duped. The following interchange in the interview was rather worrisome: SCOTT ROSS: Katrina, a lot of peopleâIslamic men and women are watching this nowâwould certainly disagree with that. The President of the United States, George W. Bush has said Islam is a peaceful religion. He said it. You are telling me otherwise. You are saying it is not. Is this a certain segment of Islamic people? Youâre saying that across the board this is a belief system, a religion that uses fear and intimidation as part and parcel, if you will, of their doctrine?
KATRINA: Yes. In Sura 47:4â¦
SCOTT ROSS: What is this?
KATRINA: It's the Koran. It says that when you see an unbeliever, smite at their neck until you make a great slaughter of them. Now what does that tell you? It says, to take not Jews and Christians as your friend. Kill the infidel.
SCOTT ROSS: Why is anyone buying into this?
KATRINA: Why did I buy into it?
SCOTT ROSS: Deception.
KATRINA: What does the Bible say? In the last days, even the elect, if it were possible, will be deceived.
Also: KATRINA: He told me point blank that if we canât take this country by force, weâll take our time and take it through marriage. Islam doesnât want the U.S., or even Israel. They want the world.
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This sounds like a title of a horror movie, "I Married a Muslim"
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Islam doesnât want the U.S., or even Israel. They want the world.
That sums it up....
Over their dead bodies!
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Didn't Goldie Hawn make a film on this subject in the '80s?
The Palestinian justice minister announced his resignation Saturday to protest Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat's refusal to share power, adding to growing turmoil in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. The Palestinian justice minister, Nahed Arreyes, said he has been stripped of much of his authority over the legal system. Last year, Arafat created a rival agency to the Justice Ministry and continues to control the judiciary.
Dueling "Justice Ministries", neither of which seems particularly committed to justice. How paleostineian.
Arreyes said he submitted his resignation to Palestinian Prime Minister Ahmed Qureia on Wednesday. However, Qureia said he has not accepted the resignation and would press the minister to stay. "We stand by him and we hope we can resolve the issue," Qureia told reporters in Ramallah. The resignation underscored the growing crisis in the Palestinian Authority. Arafat has been trying to beat back demands for internal reform. Adding to the chaos, different groups of gunmen have backed players on all sides, carrying out kidnappings and shootings. In an interview in his Gaza City home, Arreyes said that he never had no longer had authority over state prosecutors. "The prosecution should be under the control of the Justice Ministry, according to the law," he said, declining to elaborate. "My resignation comes as a protest against the incorrect position of the prosecution."
"Please don't kill me!"
Palestinian Planning Minister Nabil Qassis also resigned, but apparently not as an act of protest. Qassis said he was leaving the Cabinet to serve as president of Bir Zeit Cabaret University, the largest in the West Bank.
Also, there was nothing to plan anymore.
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Qassis looks like a smart one.He stole as much as he could,then picked a "prestige" job so his resignation would actually get accepted.When he makes the unscheduled trip to Europe to meet w/other education officials,it will be a pretty good hint the green-on-green games are about to get serious.
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Iraqi interim Prime Minister Ayad Allawi signed an amnesty Saturday intended to persuade militants fighting a 15-month-old insurgency to put down their weapons and join government efforts to rebuild the country. But the law pardons only minor criminals, not killers or terrorists, and appeared unlikely to dampen the violence, as some insurgent leaders called it "insignificant." The long-delayed amnesty, coupled with a tough emergency law passed last month, was supposed to help end the violence by coaxing nationalist guerrillas to the government's side. The amnesty applies to minor crimes - such as weapons possession, hiding intelligence about terror attacks or harboring terrorists - and appears intended to persuade people with information on attacks to share it with police. The amnesty forgives those who committed minor crimes between May 1, 2003, just after Saddam Hussein's regime fell, and Saturday, Allawi said. "This amnesty is not for people ... who have killed. Those people will be brought to justice, starting from Zarqawi down to the person in the street," Allawi said, referring to Jordanian militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, whose followers have claimed responsibility for deadly suicide bombings. Rape, kidnapping, looting and terror attacks also are excluded. Iraqi officials earlier said the amnesty might extend to those who killed U.S. and other coalition troops. U.S. officials said an early draft was ambiguous on that issue, but later drafts ruled it out.
The amnesty was rejected immediately by militant Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, whose militia has been fighting coalition forces in the Shiite holy city of Najaf and elsewhere since Thursday. "This is a trivial and insignificant statement," said al-Sadr aide Ahmed al-Shaibany. "Amnesties are for criminals, but resistance is legitimate and does not need an amnesty."
Okay, he rejected his, now we can thump him.
Those eligible would need to turn themselves in during the next 30 days and provide information on their crimes and other crimes they know about, Allawi said. The amnesty period could be extended. "This order has been established to allow our citizens to rejoin civil society and participate in the reconstruction of their country and the improvement of their lives, instead of wasting their lives pointlessly toward a lost cause," he said.
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