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-Signs, Portents, and the Weather-
60.9% of all smokes in NY go untaxed
Posted by: DarthVader || 01/20/2013 01:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6462 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Hmmm, feeling the tax?
Perhaps it's too high, Naah, it's Democrats stronghold, there's no such thing as too much tax.
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 01/20/2013 1:21 Comments || Top||

#2  Hurray for human nature!
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 01/20/2013 2:25 Comments || Top||

#3  The tax is still paid, but to a different gang of organized criminals, and just not called a tax.
Posted by: Glenmore || 01/20/2013 9:44 Comments || Top||

#4  I am told by friends in the FBI that every time the tax on cigarettes goes up the mafia pops champagne corks. That much more skim for them.
Posted by: Mike Ramsey || 01/20/2013 10:35 Comments || Top||

#5  The Laffer curve in full effect.
Posted by: DarthVader || 01/20/2013 12:41 Comments || Top||

#6  Says there quite a few come from New Hampshire, which makes sense. What about Canada, what are the rules/regulations/potential savings from that trade route?

I'm sure the smuggler/vendors get their finders/risk fee. IMHO not a tax, as they are working for and taking risk on such markup where the tax is passively paid for a transaction. And since you may ask, I don't believe in that taxes built your roads crap, not until the governments start spending our money in a more efficient fashion will I sit at that table to listen.
Posted by: swksvolFF || 01/20/2013 12:49 Comments || Top||

#7  I am told by friends in the FBI that every time the tax on cigarettes goes up the mafia pops champagne corks. Enterprising Muslims have also have recognized these economics. They have shipped low taxed cigarettes from the South to higher taxed places like Michigan and reaped the benefits. I recall reading in the past that some of these profits were being funneled to nefarious causes.
Posted by: JohnQC || 01/20/2013 16:48 Comments || Top||

David Cameron to pledge 'in/out' EU referendum within days
David Cameron will make a firm commitment this week to hold a referendum on Britain's future relationship with the European Union - including the option of leaving it.
I'll believe it when it happens AND the votes are counted - and count.
The Prime Minister will within days make the historic pledge of a national vote after the next general election in his postponed speech, which senior sources said last night they believe will satisfy most Eurosceptic Conservatives.

However, he will not promise to pave the way for the referendum by introducing legislation in the current Parliament - something which will disappoint harder-line Eurosceptics.
There it is - there's the window he/they'll climb out of.
Is he thus threatening to dissolve Parliament and call for new elections? The Tories aren't that strong...
Senior Government figures are understood to see such a move as a potential coalition-breaker - with the Liberal Democrats likely to vote with Labour in the Commons to block it.

Mr Cameron is now expected to make the long-anticipated speech in Britain. He was due to deliver it last Friday in Amsterdam but was forced to postpone it because of the hostage crisis in Algeria.

In extracts of the address already released in advance, the Prime Minister warns of the a growing "gap between" The EU's institutions and its citizens. He says there is: "a lack of democratic accountability and consent that is -- yes -- felt particularly acutely in Britain."
Posted by: lotp || 01/20/2013 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6464 views] Top|| File under:

#1  As well as its working now, why would any sane Brit vote to join that money sucking organization? If they do vote to join, do they then automatically assume their share of the EU debt?
Posted by: USN,ret || 01/20/2013 8:42 Comments || Top||

#2  They are already members, USN, ret, though not of the euro. The question before the voters is whether to withdraw.
Posted by: trailing wife || 01/20/2013 16:21 Comments || Top||

Rolling back PC in the classroom: UK history lessons
Children will be taught a sweeping chronology of world events ranging from the dinosaurs through to the fall of the Berlin Wall under plans to scrap politically-correct topics in history lessons, it has emerged.

A new curriculum in the subject is to be introduced by a team of academics and teachers in a move intended to give children aged five to 14 a clear narrative of the past, it was revealed.

The document -- published by the History Curriculum Association -- starts in the first year of primary school with the story of the dinosaurs, including how they lived, their extinction and fossils.
The challengers.
It moves on to Stone Age man, the Ancient Egyptians and the Romans before covering 2,000 years of British and world history through to the Cold War and collapse of the Soviet Union.

Other topics include the Anglo-Saxons, Vikings, Normans, the Crusades, the Tudors, the Civil Wars, the expansion of the British Empire and the World Wars.

The association is to send copies of its syllabus out to state academies and private schools, which are not forced to follow the National Curriculum, later this month.

Chris McGovern, the association's founder, said that the move represented a radical departure from the existing National Curriculum which sought to teach children through broad "themes" covering issues such as the role of women and social, cultural, religious and ethnic diversity.

He said the current curriculum -- published by Labour -- confused pupils by "jumping around in time" and underestimated the "capacity of young children to follow a narrative".

It was essential for any history curriculum to start with dinosaurs, he said, even though the topic is normally only covered in school science lessons.

"We should be starting off with what fascinates children -- dinosaurs and the world before there were people and a world that died out," he said.

"This introduces children to issues of sustainability at a young age besides capturing and using their very real enthusiasms. Ask five-year-olds if they would prefer to be taught concepts of chronology or dinosaurs."

The Department for Education is already rewriting the history curriculum as part of a major shake-up of subject specifications. It will publish its own primary and secondary school document later this term.
The powers that be.
A DfE spokesman said: "We will publish drafts of the national curriculum programmes of study shortly."
Don't let the gentility mislead you - in disputes like this the academic authorities play a nasty game. Let's hope the dinosaurs win out.
Posted by: lotp || 01/20/2013 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6462 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I believe it when I'll see it.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 01/20/2013 2:27 Comments || Top||

#3  Undoing labours shoddy pc workmanship. As a student the role of women was really boring and tedious, went through it for 5 months.
Posted by: Devilstoenail || 01/20/2013 7:45 Comments || Top||

#4  Children will be taught a sweeping chronology of world events ranging from the gay dinosaurs through to the fallof the Berlin Wall unfortunate demise of an icon famed for its stemming the tide of capitalist running dogs.
Posted by: Pappy || 01/20/2013 10:30 Comments || Top||

#5  ...was really boring and tedious..

Much of history was/is really boring and tedious. What is taught usually are the glimpses and sparks that alter the daily humdrum of existence. What has altered in Western society in the last hundred years has pretty much exceed change in the preceding two millenniums. Most of the population a hundred years ago lived in the rural environment with towns and villages who's pace of life and experience identified more with those who'd lived hundreds of years before them rather than today's metro/urban centric population. Until the advent of the railroads, most people were born, lived, and died within about a 20 mile radius. That was their world, their society, what they knew, and what they interacted with.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 01/20/2013 10:43 Comments || Top||

#6  Sustainability is code fore malthusian drivel.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 01/20/2013 10:48 Comments || Top||

#7  Most of the population a hundred years ago lived in the rural environment with towns and villages who's pace of life and experience identified more with those who'd lived hundreds of years before them rather than today's metro/urban centric population. Until the advent of the railroads, most people were born, lived, and died within about a 20 mile radius. That was their world, their society, what they knew, and what they interacted with.
Posted by Procopius2k

...and we appear to be returning to it under the current administration.
Posted by: Besoeker || 01/20/2013 10:51 Comments || Top||

#8  Sounds to me like they're just replacing one form of PC with another.
Posted by: Rambler in Virginia || 01/20/2013 11:51 Comments || Top||

#9  Not quite, Rambler. As I understand it, the historians want to actually center on facts and context within which facts occurred rather than feelings.
Posted by: lotp || 01/20/2013 16:32 Comments || Top||

Caribbean-Latin America
20 die in extreme cold in Chihuahua state

For a map click here. For a map of Chihuahua state, click here

By Chris Covert

A total of 20 individuals have been killed in cold temperatures in Chihuahua state according to Mexican news accounts.

A report posted on the website of El Economista reported that most of the dead have been in the state capital, Chihuahua city with a total of eight dead.

Ciudad Juarez has reported six dead, while two each have been killed in Nuevo Casas Grandes, Delicias and Guachochi municipalities. Two of the dead in Chihuahua city were actually a married couple killed by poisoning from misuse of a heater.

According to a news report posted on the website of El Imparcial news daily, in Sonora state rreports are of below freezing temperatures in eastern and southern sectors of the state. Yecora in the eastern mountain region reported three degrees Centigrade while Nacozari in the north also reported three degrees.

In the northern states of Durango, Zacatecas, Aguascalientes and San Luis Potosi states, deeper into the interior of the country, upper elevations are expecting snow or sleet, and rain or mist in the lower areas.

Elsewhere, according to a separate article posted on the website of El Economista, temperatures are expected to drop to below five degrees Centigrade in all six northern border states. In the gulf state, coastal areas are affected by high winds with gusts up to 80 kph. Along the Baja California Pacific coast and near the Yucatan peninsula in the extreme south winds are gusting up to 60 kph.

Chris Covert writes Mexican Drug War and national political news for Rantburg.com.
Posted by: badanov || 01/20/2013 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6462 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Just how cold was it, all the way down to 80?
Doesn't say.
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 01/20/2013 1:17 Comments || Top||

#2  The El Economista story did not mention temperatures in Chihuahua state, but the story in El Imparcial did, the data of which I included because it had data about the eastern sections of the state. The El Imparcial story did report how coastal areas around he Gulf of California were enjoying high temps in the lower 90, albeit with high winds. The other El Economista story did mention general temps, which I included. One reading from an area in Chihuahua had the low reading of -18 C, which failed to make it in the story (Thought I included it, sorry)

None of the two Chihuahua state Organizacion Editorial Mexicano (OEM) newspapers, El Mexicano nor El Heraldo de Chihuahua had a story about temps. I use OEM because they have a pretty good archives for me to check.

I hope this explains everything.
Posted by: badanov || 01/20/2013 8:37 Comments || Top||

#3  Today - 80 and Santa Anas in San Diego. Last week down in the 20's overnight. Is AlGore around?
Posted by: Frank G || 01/20/2013 8:45 Comments || Top||

#4  Maybe global climate changes comes more slowly to less-developed countries?
Posted by: Bobby || 01/20/2013 8:54 Comments || Top||

#5  Tucson had lows in the upper teens/lower twenties, and highs in the lower to mid forties for several days before it warmed up again around Tuesday. And yes, I know that for most of the country this would be standard to balmy, but for us natives it was frickin' freezing.
Posted by: PBMcL || 01/20/2013 12:57 Comments || Top||

#6  I recall the Newfondlanders were having a "Heat Wave"(1954) And people were falling out from Heatstroke, sounds bad, right.

The truth is, that the temperatue wednt to 70 and People were falling out with Heatstroke "BRCAUSE THEY WOULDN'T SHED THEIR LONG HANDLED UNDIES (Long Johns") so it was entirely self inflicted.

Hence my Comment about "What? did it ge to 80".
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 01/20/2013 14:53 Comments || Top||

Home Front: Politix
Wintour won't be ambassador to Britain
Another Woman For Obama slides under the bus now that she's no longer useful to him.
Anna Wintour, the editor of American Vogue, has missed out on a chance to be Barack Obama's ambassador to London.

To the bemusement of many in her British homeland, Anna Wintour, the famously nasty haughty editor of the US fashion bible for upper Midtown, was being widely tipped as Barack Obama's next ambassador to London.

But as the president's second inauguration this weekend attracts to Washington an influx of celebrities who would normally be more at home in a fashion party than a political one, reports indicated that Miss Wintour is going to lose out on the most coveted US foreign service posting.

The president has instead decided to offer the ambassadorship to Matthew Barzun, who headed his formidable money machine as national finance chairman for the Obama re-election campaign, it emerged yesterday. Mr Barzun is a genial unfashionable 52-year-old from Kentucky who made his money from a Californian tech media website.
You both raised boatloads of money, but Barzun has connections to the big data analysis people from Silicon Valley who mined Facebook etc. to get Obama elected. He plans to use them next on the gun control issue. You? You just trashtalk and offer photo ops and he can have either any time he likes. You're yesterday's fashion, sweetie.
Posted by: lotp || 01/20/2013 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6460 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Gosh. I was going to say, "good," but sounds like the Devil wearing Prada would have done less damage. Ah Well. Let it burn.
Posted by: RandomJD || 01/20/2013 1:51 Comments || Top||

#2  I'm not sure there's a point to commenting on this, whoever they were going to pick was going to be picked for maximum damage.
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain || 01/20/2013 10:13 Comments || Top||

#3  Well, then, maybe I can still make Ascot Opening Day. Unless I am cut cold. Which is what I expect.

Posted by: Shipman || 01/20/2013 16:53 Comments || Top||

Poverty alleviation not possible without job creation
[Dawn] Institutional shortcomings, fiscal constraints and defective training contents are responsible for an ineffective technical and vocational education and training system in Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa
... formerly NWFP, still Terrorism Central...
, making the province to continue with a growing unskilled workforce.

The Skills Development Plan (SDP), Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa, describes 'social versus economic demands, training contents, linkage of institutional training programmes with employment market, under utilisation of existing facilities, inflexibility/lack of autonomy, informal sector training, apprenticeship training, effect of globalisation and public sector allocations' as constraints and issues facing the technical and vocational education and training (TVET) system in the province.

Setting a roadmap for the province to reduce its unemployment rate and overcome the skilled labour shortages faced by the public and private sector organizations by improving vocation and technical training in the province, the plan was put in place, in October 2012, with the assistance of GIZ, a German development organization, and other development partners of the provincial government.

It was prepared for the provincial ministry for technical education, where, according to a relevant source, it remains unattended, accumulating dust because of official negligence.

SDP asks for involving employers in designing training package, terming it vital to achieve the objective of quality control, relevance, standardisation and making training programme cost effective. Similarly, it emphasises the need for practicing public-private partnership as a pragmatic solution to make training programmes more meaningful and effective.
Posted by: Fred || 01/20/2013 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6482 views] Top|| File under: Govt of Pakistan

#1  Poverty is eliminated by making everyone equal, so there is no 'bottom xx%.' If nobody has a job there is no poverty.
Posted by: Glenmore || 01/20/2013 9:49 Comments || Top||

#2  If nobody has a job there is no poverty. Alas, that seems to be the groupthink prevalent today.
Posted by: JohnQC || 01/20/2013 16:41 Comments || Top||

#3  Becuz under "Globalism" + OWG + OWG NAU, our mighty Mexican + Canadian + Greenlander, etc, NAU Brothers-n-Sisters will absolutely, unconditionally, undeniably, + unilaterally pay out mucho mucho $$$ to pay OWG-NAU Amerika's bills + to maintain its normal quality-of-life - SNIFF, SNIFF, JUST LIKE [not] DURING THE COLD WAR = DAYS OF WILY DASTARDLY "NATIONALISM" + "STATE SOVEREIGNTY"!


Just thing how great things will be once we once again ignore the Electorate = "the People" + that silly archaic Constitution, + set up EXTRA/POST-NAU HIGHER LEVELS OF [interim]OWG GOVERNANCE, i.e. TRAN-CONTINENTAL + TRANS-ATLANTIC + TRANS-ASIAN, .... ... @ETC.

Posted by: JosephMendiola || 01/20/2013 21:02 Comments || Top||

PTI, Qadri have same objectives, different approach: Imran
[Dawn] Pakistain Tehrik-e-Insaf
...a political party in Pakistan. PTI was founded by former Pakistani cricket captain and philanthropist Imran Khan. The party's slogan is Justice, Humanity and Self Esteem, each of which is open to widely divergent interpretations....
(PTI) chief Imran Khan
... aka Taliban Khan, who ain't the sharpest bulb on the national tree...
said on Saturday that he agreed with the points raised by Tehrik-e-Minhajul Koran (TMQ) chief Tahirul Qadri, however, the PTI does not believe in the approach chosen by the TMQ chief to achieve those objectives.

Speaking at a presser in Islamabad, Khan said that his party has been raising the same points that Qadri raised for the past five years. However,
facts are stubborn; statistics are more pliable...
the PTI believes in addressing those issues through democratic means.

Khan further said that according to Qadri's demands, assemblies would have been dissolved through an unconstitutional way, which would have resulted in rewarding the Pakistain People's Party (PPP) with "political martyrdom".

Reiterating his stance, the PTI chief called on the resignation of President Asif Ali Ten Percent Zardari
... husband of the late Benazir Bhutto, who has been singularly lacking in curiosity about who done her in ...
, claiming again that free and fair polls can not be held with Zardari as the president. Khan also criticised Pakistain Mohammedan League -- Nawaz (PML-N) chief's stance on the resignation of President Zardari.

Moreover, Khan claimed that 90 per cent of the Pak public wanted change, which could only be made possible through transparent and independent elections.

Rejecting any possibility of boycotting the upcoming polls, Khan reassured that the PTI would fully participate in the general election. Khan said the upcoming polls would be 'historic', and a means of achieving a 'revolution' in Pakistain.
Posted by: Fred || 01/20/2013 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6457 views] Top|| File under: Govt of Pakistan

Rape cases in Delhi jump 23 pc in 2012
Rape cases in New Delhi jumped 23 percent in 2012 from a year earlier, according to official figures, highlighting rising crime against women in the sprawling metropolis.

The numbers were released as the trial of five men was set to begin on Monday on accusations of murder, rape and kidnapping over the death last month of a 23-year-old gang-rape victim, whose assault sparked nationwide protests. The case against a sixth defendant, who says he is 17, is being heard separately by a juvenile court.

“The rate of conviction in rapes in Delhi is much higher than the national rate,” Delhi police Commissioner Neeraj Kumar told reporters on Friday.

“(But) we are not taking solace in this. We need to do much more,” said Kumar, who has faced fierce public criticism for the perceived failure of his police force to check mounting crime against women.

For 2012, some 706 rape cases were registered — a 23.43 percent leap from the previous year, police said. Some 45 cases of rape and 75 cases of sexual molestation were reported to police in the two weeks after the brutal gang rape attack on the physiotherapy student on December 16, police said.

New Delhi, a city of 16 million people, has long been called the “rape capital of India”. It is known as the least safe major Indian city for women with more than twice as many rape cases registered in 2011 than commercial hub Mumbai.

Since last month’s gang-rape, protesters across India have demanded stronger punishment for crimes against women and better safety.
Posted by: Steve White || 01/20/2013 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6458 views] Top|| File under:

Science & Technology
Scientist seeks 'adventurous female' to give birth to Neandertha
Scientist wants to recreate Neanderthals
He says he just needs an 'adventurous' surrogate
Australian scientist says there may be some issues with that...

Posted by: tipper || 01/20/2013 01:47 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6481 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Hopefully the record keeping portion can be tightened up a bit. Much appears to have gone missing from the first example in 1961; certificates of birth, foreign travel, Selective Service registration, college transcripts, etc.
Posted by: Besoeker || 01/20/2013 8:05 Comments || Top||

#2  Its so easy a cave man could do it.
Posted by: BrerRabbit || 01/20/2013 8:11 Comments || Top||

#3  bah! Someone already bore a Wookie. IYKWIMAITYD
Posted by: Frank G || 01/20/2013 8:47 Comments || Top||

#4  Homo sapiens' worst enemy is himself. Not satisfied, some clown wants to reintroduce Homo neanderthalensis. Didn't these guys watch Jurassic Park?
Posted by: Mike Ramsey || 01/20/2013 10:45 Comments || Top||

#5  Doesn't this raise huge ethical issues? Oh wait. I forgot. "Scientists" (of the lefty variety, anyway) are exempt (Global warming, EPA, etc., etc.). Never mind...
Posted by: PBMcL || 01/20/2013 13:09 Comments || Top||

#6  ...watch Jurassic Park?

No, but I saw Raquel Welch in One Million Years B.C. at least 15 times.
Posted by: Besoeker || 01/20/2013 13:28 Comments || Top||

#7  I would support efforts to reintroduce a species of Raquel Welches...

Posted by: Orion || 01/20/2013 15:05 Comments || Top||

#8  When you can clone an earthworm from DNA, let's talk.
Posted by: KBK || 01/20/2013 16:32 Comments || Top||

#9  Sharon Osbourne to the white courtesy phone.
Posted by: gorb || 01/20/2013 17:52 Comments || Top||

#10  OOOOOOOOOO, you just know "THE CHEETAH" CatBabe is gonna be watching!?

HHHHMMMM, HHHHMMMMM, could such a thing work to attract the traditional male demographic ala Marvel + DC Comics - don't think so iff she going to look just like a Femme version of Legion of Doom founder GRODD???

And then there's Grodd girl GIGANTA ...
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 01/20/2013 21:09 Comments || Top||

#11  Solomon Grundy no like adventurous females!
Posted by: Secret Master || 01/20/2013 21:38 Comments || Top||

Southeast Asia
Vietnam and Cambodia hit back at landmark Laos dam
Posted by: Mike Ramsey || 01/20/2013 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6460 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I'm looking for the original link, but I can't find it.
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain || 01/20/2013 10:30 Comments || Top||

#2  Maybe this: link.
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain || 01/20/2013 10:32 Comments || Top||

#3  I don't get it, that's cut-and-pasted from the address bar...
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain || 01/20/2013 10:32 Comments || Top||

#4  Here is a Reuters link.
Posted by: Mike Ramsey || 01/20/2013 10:40 Comments || Top||

#5  Thanks.
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain || 01/20/2013 18:44 Comments || Top||

Home Front: Culture Wars
California's Hispanic population to outnumber whites by end of 2013
Posted by: GolfBravoUSMC || 01/20/2013 10:50 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6472 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Hispanic derived from the Roman name for their province of Hispania, today known as the Iberian or Spanish peninsula which is part of Europe.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 01/20/2013 12:02 Comments || Top||

#2  Tentacles of failed states to the south. Nothing to celebrate. Something to watch.
Posted by: Besoeker || 01/20/2013 12:06 Comments || Top||

#3  Percentage of those that are illegal?
Posted by: tipover || 01/20/2013 12:23 Comments || Top||

#4  but the food will be faaaabulous
Posted by: Frank G || 01/20/2013 13:10 Comments || Top||

#5  declining birth rates and increasing migration as cause

They left out White emmigration (aka: getting the Hell out of there while you still can).

Posted by: Frozen Al || 01/20/2013 14:06 Comments || Top||

#6  Here are some startling stats. In real numbers the Anglo population of California is less today than it was in 1970 after reaching it's peak in 1990. Anglos are voting with their feet. Is it any wonder this state is total Donk controlled. Look out America, this demographic Tsunami will be crashing on a beach near you soon.

California Population Anglo vs Hispanic

1940 Total Population 6,907,387
Anglo 6,182,111 - 89.5%
Hispanic 414,443 - 6%

1970 Total Population 19,953,134
Anglo 15,363,913 - 77.0%
Hispanic 2,733,579 - 13.7%

1980 Total Population 23,667,902
Anglo 15,762,823 - 66.6%
Hispanic 4,544,237 - 19.2%

1990 Total Population 29,760,021
Anglo 17,022,732 - 57.2%
Hispanic 7,678,085 - 25.8%

2000 Total Population 33,871,648
Anglo 15,919,675 - 47.0%
Hispanic 10,974,414 - 32.4%

2010 Total Population 37,253,956
Anglo 14,938,836 - 40.1%
Hispanic 14,007,487 - 37.6%
Posted by: GolfBravoUSMC || 01/20/2013 14:16 Comments || Top||

#7  Victor Davis Hanson, evidently no one listened.
Posted by: Besoeker || 01/20/2013 14:21 Comments || Top||

#8  Even with the new taxes?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 01/20/2013 14:31 Comments || Top||

#9  Unfortunately g(r)om, we've learned very, very little from observing your decades long Paleo struggle.
Posted by: Besoeker || 01/20/2013 14:38 Comments || Top||

#10  It's taken a Century and a half, but Mexico is finally taking back California. We should flip it to them quick, make some cash. Maybe sell it to the Oil Mogul down there.
Posted by: Charles || 01/20/2013 14:53 Comments || Top||

#11  Being illegal in California is a really good deal. Pay no taxes. Free healthcare and school. As I have said before, eventually the only people left in CA will be public employees, illegals and the super wealthy.
Posted by: Iblis || 01/20/2013 15:44 Comments || Top||

#12  "eventually the only people left in CA will be public employees, illegals and the super wealthy"

Under those circumstances, Iblis, I doubt the super wealthy will be super-wealthy for long. Then the burden will fall square on the shoulders of the public employees. Wonder what they'll do when they're taxed 50 or 60%? :-D
Posted by: Barbara || 01/20/2013 16:04 Comments || Top||

#13  leave
Posted by: Frank G || 01/20/2013 16:28 Comments || Top||

#14  the only people left in CA will be public employees, illegals and the super wealthy.

It will be hell for the super wealthy if they choose to stay.

Looks like the "Open Borders" unrestricted immigration advocates such as George Soros have won in California. And thanks to Washington's wishy-washy politicians prostituting themselves for votes.
Posted by: JohnQC || 01/20/2013 16:33 Comments || Top||

#15  by the way - it's been mixing for some time. My ex was half-Mexican. It's not the location of the last couple localities of your generations. Mine were Norwegian (2nd gen), French Basque (2nd gen), English mutt stewed in the South (10 gens at last count/tracking). It's a mindset.

If they come to be productive workers, great. Into the stew. If they're retro-nationalistic assholes? Ship their asses back. That's usually the second or third gen that have the time/$ to navel gaze and worship the "homeland"
Posted by: Frank G || 01/20/2013 16:35 Comments || Top||

#16  I was watching a forensics/crime program last night. A thug (happened to be Afro-American) was robbing and bumping off Mexicans "because they work and keep money."
Posted by: JohnQC || 01/20/2013 16:53 Comments || Top||

#17  Under those circumstances, Iblis, I doubt the super wealthy will be super-wealthy for long.

They'll just follow the model of the dozen or so families that own and operate Mexico proper, giving pious lip service to socialist-liberalism and democracy while practicing PRI politics and cronyism.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 01/20/2013 19:28 Comments || Top||

It will be hell for the super wealthy if they choose to stay.

NO, it will be Mayhico.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 01/20/2013 21:43 Comments || Top||

#19  ...oh, and I might add, exporting the mestizos to other states to avoid real reform or revolt. Cause that model worked to well so far.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 01/20/2013 21:59 Comments || Top||

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