From the Daily Ablution blog; Scott Burgess has several other posts on this lie.
I am a former fire support officer, who was trained to travel with infantry and armor units and be the eyes of the artillery to call for fire.
I read the article from the Italian news source, and let me state unequivocally that what it claims is physically impossible. A white phosphorous round used for illumination is a base ejecting projectile that "opens" in the air and floats down under a parachute. The projectile casing does continue down range, but fire direction officers and fire support officers along with the maneuver commanders clear this impact area as part of the calculations. The projectile casing itself could kill a person, as any bullet would, but it is not possible to use it as a chemical warfare attack.
The flare itself floats down and you would pretty much have to chase after it and position yourself under where you project it will land to even get burned. It is possible although very unlikely that this flare could hit a building and could cause a fire, but the injury wouldnât be a chemical burn, but a burn from the building fire. I have never seen anything close to this happen.
The flares come down slowly and usually burn out first, but since they are the brightest thing in the sky, it would be easy to avoid one if it landed while burning. I have seen a few flares land on the ground while burning, but this is much different than a chemical attack. The only way you could purposely harm anyone with this is if you direct fired at a short range. The projectile most likely wouldn't eject the flare (it has a timed fuse) and it really wouldn't matter if you fired Cheetohs at someone at that range, the concussion would kill them.
An artillery unit wouldn't use direct fire unless it was being attacked. And even then it would use their organic direct fire weapons and if necessary, another type of projectile. To use a WP for direct fire would be entirely counterproductive to the security of the battery even in self defense.
This Italian news story is nothing but a lie.
After being asked repeatedly to analyze the âItalian News Storyâ (gag), I analyzed the video, here are my thoughts
I analyzed the video and am pleased to announce that it is junk. There are many things I could point out, but here is what sticks out.
1. The âfire raining down from the helicopterâ was the part that concerned me. I had to watch it repeatedly to figure it out. At first I thought it was the backblast from a missile being fired the other direction. After a more thorough analysis, I realize it was an air burst of WP artillery rounds. Those are basically small rags that looked like balls of fire. This is because it is night and it is hard to get perspective at night, with or without night vision equipment. Taken out of context, it is easy to make it look like fire raining down on the city. The rag would certainly burn, but it would be like a cigarette and you would just need to brush it off, maybe take off clothes, and get away from it.
2. The voice over states "contrary to the claim by the state department that WP was used in open fields, this was not true because tracer rounds were used to illuminate the enemy" Nothing could have spelled out liar any bigger than that one statement. Tracy rounds are never used to illuminate the enemy. The glow from a tracer round lasts tenths of a second and travels hundreds of miles an hour; it could not possibly be used for this function, again a claim that defies all practicality. Tracer rounds are used to see where your bullets are going so your fire can be adjusted, flat out. And quoting the State Department about a military function?
3. The pictures of dead bodies while hideous provide no analytical value. Contrast the opening from Vietnam, with the burned little girl, running from a napalmed village. That is conclusive evidence. Nothing about these dead bodies looked any different to the many dead bodies I have seen analyzing other videos (of dead bodies) that were all made that way (dead) by Saddamâs regime and then by Jihadists. There is no way to determine what killed these people by looking at pictures, except maybe by a forensics expert.
4. The soldiers, this is more complicated: I find the taller guy, I think his name was Garret, credible. His story rang true and is tragically repeated. But this is not a war crime or a chemical attack, but bad target identification and a complete human tragedy, assuming the "civilians" were indeed non combatants, it is very hard for the soldiers to tell. Although I do question his motives that is irrelevant to this analysis since he provides no âevidenceâ of chemical weapons.
The other guy Jeff was a liar, to the point I would need to see his orders to believe he was in Iraq. He states, (paraphrasing) "the orders unequivocally came from the pentagon to wait until after the election". How does he know this? Was he CENTCOM commander at the time? Did the CENTCOM commander call him up and tell him that? Even if it was true, that fact in itself is not nefarious.
The re-election of Bush would be a crushing blow to the Jihadists in Fallujah, and let me tell you, I have seen their own videos recovered from there and the place was crawling with them. It would make tactical sense to wait, if you were pretty confident that Bush would win. They call this tactical patience.
Also, the timing of the attack was heavily influenced by the Iraqi Provisional Authority. The U.S. had just helped them form and wanted to get them involved with running their country as soon as possible. That is why the first battle of Fallujah was ended, because the new Iraqi government wanted more time to talk with the Jihadists. That is until the new Iraqi government officials figured out that they were now the primary target of the Jihadists and told the U.S. effectively, go get them (the Jihadists in Fallujah) as soon as you can.
Jeff states (paraphrasing), that the U.S. was using chemical weapons because we used WP. Hogwash. The video itself showed the flares floating slowly to the ground and the ground itself gave perspective. Now I am not saying I would want WP on my skin, but I wouldn't want Drano on my skin either and I am not declaring chemical warfare on my home. Now a person could make the argument that you could take that Drano and throw it on your neighbor and that would be a chemical attack. True, but, you can not spew WP from a deployed flare because if it is burning, it is burning the WP. You wouldnât want to put your mouth over it, of course, and you wouldnât want to purposely hold it to your skin, but you would have to go out of the way to hurt yourself with a flare.
c. He states (paraphrasing) when they used the stuff (WP) they would come over the net and say the WP is coming or "commence bombing" or something. Commence bombing? Who was on the net giving this sitrep, Clark Gable? Thatâs about the last time anybody used this term. This guy is a clown. And notice he makes claims and then says, oh, I didn't see it, but I heard about it.
5. The real tip off about the credibility of this ânews storyâ is the pictures of dead animals. The voice over said, paraphrasing: that several animals were found dead with no visible sign of trauma. First off, did they examine the animals? If so, they didnât show it. Sure something is not visible, if you donât look! Animals die everyday from natural causes, hunger, disease, or even getting hit by cars or possibly by conventional weapons.
And get this, they show people who appear burned and claim this to be a sign of a chemical weapon, then they show animals with no injuries in the context of this discussion to imply they died of a mysterious chemical weapon. Their âfactsâ not only fail to support each other, but they directly conflict with each other. Yet they choose to throw them at the viewer with full understanding of the emotional impact of these images.
6. A human rights group based in Fallujah? For crying out loud, that was Saddam's power base. That is were the people burned four contractors and hung them from a bridge.
By introducing these âfactsâ in the context of a chemical weapons discussion, yet not having any supporting evidence, I can only conclude that not only are these charges false, but this was done with the documentary creatorâs full knowledge that they were baseless charges. In other words, they purposely lied, which goes to their credibility.
After I wrote this, I was informed of more âsupporting evidenceâ linked on the www.Dailykos.com: â"WP [i.e., white phosphorus rounds] proved to be an effective and versatile munition. We used it for screening missions at two breeches and, later in the fight, as a potent psychological weapon against the insurgents in trench lines and spider holes when we could not get effects on them with HE. We fired 'shake and bake' missions at the insurgents, using WP to flush them out and HE to take them out."
-- Field Artillery Magazine, via Steven D
My analysis: I donât mean to speak for the author, but this is evident --
""WP [i.e., white phosphorus rounds] proved to be an effective and versatile munition."
Very true and widely known among redlegs (artillerymen). Nothing interesting here.
"We used it for screening missions at two breeches ..."
The kind of projectile they are speaking about here creates smoke. It is widely, commonly, and legally used by every army to conceal their men. Usually, if an obstacle needs to be breeched, the smoke is delivered by artillery in between the obstacle and the enemy observer. It can also be placed on the enemy to confuse and scare them. The smoke itself is uncomfortable, but not dangerous, unless you want to sit on top of the projectile and breathe it. I know because I have experienced it.
"and, later in the fight, as a potent psychological weapon against the insurgents in trench lines and spider holes when we could not get effects on them with HE."
Notice he said psychological weapon and not chemical weapon. This is because the smoke would confuse the enemy and conceal our movements and would indeed, scare them.
"We fired 'shake and bake' missions at the insurgents"
A poor choice of phrasing because it is not technically accurate and does give the wrong impression, but this is a soldier and not a politician or a marketing strategist. (After further consideration, I think if the reference is to the projectile itself and not to the effect on flesh, it could be accurate. The HE would shake the ground and the material that creates smoke does so by burning (baking) but you would pretty much have to try to set yourself on fire by rolling around in it.)
"using WP to flush them out and HE to take them out."
This takes a little bit of imagination. Imagine you are in a fighting position and the enemy is dropping smoke near your position. You ask yourself "why are they dropping smoke here?" the answer "because they are coming right through here." So, you haul butt out of your defensive position and expose yourself to HE.
This statement has absolutely nothing to do with the âdual useâ of smoke (WP) as a chemical weapon. It is stating that WP can have a psychological effect as well as a tactical use. That is the only âdual useâ here.
-Ray Robison is a Sr. Military Operations Research Analyst with Scientific Applications International Corporation at the Aviation and Missile, Research, Development, Engineering Command in Huntsville Alabama. His background includes over ten years of military service as an officer and enlisted soldier in the Medical Branch, Field Artillery and Signal Corp including the Gulf War and Kosovo operations. Most recently he worked as a contractor for DIA with the Iraqi Survey Group.
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This article is TOTAL crap, from someone who knows less than nothing. WP isn't used in artillery flares - magnesium is used in illumination rounds. The article describes perfectly a magnesium illumination round.
WP is used for smoke rounds - on the ground. WP is NOT used to start fires - it is used to lay down a dense blanket of smoke, close to the ground. It burns - smolders really - but gives off heavy white smoke.
An article such as the above, which COMPLETELY mischaracterizes the use of WP, can only help the bad guys.
I'm a former Infantry Officer, with significant experience calling in smoke missions - mostly mortar, but also some 105 and 155 rounds.
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Agree with Lone Ranger. This is bad data. And mixed WP/HE missions are known by soldiers as "shake and bake." WP _can_ have an incendiary effect, but it is not very good.
The reality is that that flame weapons are not banned by the GC. The "flame weapons are inhumane" meme was begun by the communists during Vietnam to deny us use of these very effective weapons since the NVA and VC did not have the delivery systems to use them themselves. As Wretchard is always pointing out, these propaganda pieces have taken on a life of their own over the years and have become the "truth" since no one challenges them any more (and the US govt has lent them credence by withdrawing flamethrowers and napalm from the inventory).
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Saw an segment on FNC about this Italian show. Seems the main Character was discharged because of despression and PTSD. He is also wrote a very inflamatory book called "Kill Kill Kill" that is doing well in France. Wonder if the Muslims or the regular Frechies are buying the book. Bottom line iis that the srory fails the sniff test on many levels. First off no one in this guys unit, incuding teh embeds, can confirm his story. Second everything that he claims was learned second-hand. BTW, thanks for the Arty lesson folks!
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I watched her on Neil Cavuto yesterday. What an a**hole. Neil should have asked her why she and her husband were booted off the job in Seattle for fabricating a witness (Wardell Fincher)in the 1980s.
She came off like a bitter, mean person. Kinda like a female al franken.
I shall now take a Brillo pad to my occipital lobe ...
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Cavuto called her on it. You didn't leave the interview with any feelings she was a nonpartisan willing to give Bush a benefit of doubt, didya? What a bitter bitch. It must really suck to be her
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Yesterday's Post, courtesy of Mrs. Bobby, who also suggested the title.
IF THE terrorists who struck three hotels in the Jordanian capital of Amman Wednesday intended to kill Americans, Israelis and members of the Iraqi elite, as their purported communiques claimed, they failed. Among the at least 59 people who died were 33 Jordanians, including members of a wedding party, two senior Palestinian security officials, two Bahrainis, two Chinese, one Saudi and one Indonesian. Also, two Americans were killed and several more injured. Rather than punishing "Jews and crusaders," the bombers enraged Jordanians, including some who consider themselves enemies of Israel and the United States. Hundreds of people organized by professional unions rallied outside one of the hotels yesterday to denounce Abu Musab Zarqawi, the Jordanian-born leader of al Qaeda's organization in Iraq. As in Iraq itself, the terrorists' indiscriminate slaughter of Arab civilians is alienating the very public they seek to win over, and shattering any illusion that their war is one of "resistance" against foreign "occupation."
Then again, the Zarqawi organization had little to lose. Even as it has bloodied Iraq -- where two more suicide bombings were recorded yesterday -- support for violence and Islamic extremism has been declining elsewhere in the region. Two movements that pioneered suicide bombings, Hezbollah in Lebanon and Hamas in the Palestinian territories, have at least temporarily set aside violence and are focused on participating in democratic politics. An al Qaeda branch in Saudi Arabia has found little support, and most of its leaders have been captured or killed. In Lebanon this year, a popular revolution embraced a democratic agenda, and a grass-roots democratic movement has appeared in Egypt. The government most under siege in the region is not the Jordanian monarchy but the Baathist dictatorship of Syria, which has been a tactical ally of the Zarqawi network and the Iraqi insurgency.
The targeting of Jordan can hardly be blamed on the Iraq war: The same terrorist network unsuccessfully plotted to bomb one of the same Amman hotels in 1999. But Iraq has given Arabs across the Middle East a gruesomely vivid demonstration of al Qaeda's real vision for the region: bombings in mosques; the beheading of fellow Muslims; and Taliban-style dictatorship in areas under its control. Now Arabs watch the footage of a wedding turned into a massacre, with no conceivable U.S. targets in sight. No wonder al Qaeda ideologue Ayman Zawahiri is allegedly concerned enough about the movement's image to have dispatched a chiding letter to the Iraqi branch. And no wonder Arabs who demonstrate in the streets of their cities these days most often do so in favor of democracy -- and against the criminals of al Qaeda.
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Maybe my cynicism has pegged the meter, but, I can't help feeling that the word terrorist would not have been found in theis article if the HAD hit mostly Americans, Israelis and Iraqi elites.
I also am SURE that terrorist wouldn't have been used if the hotels were in Iraq, America or Israel.
So tell me, am I terminally cynical about the MSM?
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They are just wringing their hands because the fanatics aren't sticking to their script. Can't you see, they are just upset that they can't find a way to spin this to blame Americans or Jews. What will they write about if they can't write about victims oppressed by the evil capitalist system or the Jews.
Here's a tip to all you hand wringers out there. The Muslim fanatics aren't going to stick to your script. You're script requires them to prostrate themselves as victims, in need of your support. As far as they are concerned you can go **&^ yourself before they are going to play that game. They are superior to you - not inferior. You are as meaningful to them as an Uncle Tom would have been to the KKK.
Not an article, but a complet website, though it doesn't have much material, a few interviews, some press releases. Interesting more by itself and what it sez about new Iraq than for its content.
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I caught the last two seconds of an ad on prime-time TV earlier this week that ended with "Kurdistan: The Other Iraq". Wish I'd seen it sooner.
Prime Time!
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played here in San Diego, smiling Kurds saying "Thank You" to America for freeing them from Saddam. Made me tear up and ready to rip a couple Dem Senator throats out with my bare hands
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We end this week with some wise thoughts from Eddie Cross a true Zimbabwean elder statesman.
If you are not confused by what is going on in Zimbabwe then you simply have not heard enough of all that is happening. It is astonishing that this small central African State should be in such turmoil - just short of a civil war situation - the only plus is that we are not killing each other.
We have the fastest shrinking economy in the world - perhaps even an historical record in that respect. We have a population that is experiencing enormous shifts - shrinking by at least 3 or 4 per cent per annum, with thousands leaving the country every week and hundreds of thousands dying quietly in their homes each year from every disease and malady imaginable. Half our population is starving and the other half is walking to work.
The ruling Party, Zanu PF, has been in power for 26 years, has no idea of what to do to halt the collapse and turn things around... The MDC now seems to be split down the middle on the Senate issue - there are other issues behind the scenes in this conflict, but it is the Senate issue that has caused the divide. ..both sides are slugging it out and the media loves it, as do the hyenas in Zanu PF.
The international community is divided on the issue of what to do in Zimbabwe... Regional leaders want a reformed Zanu PF government with new policies that will stop the internal hemorrhaging in Zimbabwe and reverse the flood of economic refugees into their countries. The major democratic States want action by the UN and by the region to curb the excesses of the Mugabe regime. China, Malaysia, Libya and Cuba - virtually the only friends Mugabe has left in the world are just hoping the local nutters will not further embarrass them...
Even the administration of Government is in a shambles - the Governor of the Reserve Bank and the Vice President(Msika) say that the invasions of farms must stop, that they are "criminal in character" and are damaging the national interest... At the same time the Minister responsible for the land issue and for security - Mutasa, says that all white farmers are to be dispossessed and driven off the land...
The net result is that there is very little land preparation. Many small farmers who started farming on land that had been given to them have abandoned their holdings in frustration and we are going to produce the smallest summer crop on record this year - whatever happens to the rain.
One Minister says this, another disputes the story, negotiations are on in South Africa for the mysterious loan, progress is being made - but no substantive developments are in sight. The platinum miners get a great deal from the State; invest, only to be told that all the rules are changed. Zimbabwe negotiates a bilateral protection of investment agreement with South Africa and then simply does not sign it. It signs investment protection agreements with France, Holland, Germany and the World Bank and then simply ignores them or violates them at will... Who in his right mind would invest here at present and under these conditions...
So wither Zimbabwe? I think we are in a most interesting situation. It is clear that the reformist elements in Zanu PF are slowly winning the struggle for more rational policies in government... It is also evident in the quiet negotiations going on for that illusive loan from South Africa - there seems to have been a welcome shift in the conditions attached to it - a new constitution, more rational and legitimate land policies, a return to the rule of law and the re-establishment of all human and political rights.
Maybe, just maybe, quiet diplomacy is working - accompanied by more strident statements by the UN and the major powers - especially the USA and Europe. It is long overdue and we must watch for signs of a break through in these areas rather than simply worry about the shambles all around us. In fact the situation in the MDC and the almost certain humiliation that Zanu PF is expected to inflict on the MDC rebels who are standing as candidates may in fact encourage the process of reform and concession that is already underway in the ruling Party. Then watch out for the unintended consequences.
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Damn... whatever stuff he is smoking/ingesting/injecting is powerful stuff, and would bring a fine price sold in little bags or vials on the bad side of town to folks who want to take a long chemically-based vacation from reality.
That little greasy spot on the asphalt is Helen Thomas after Mark in Mexico grades the roadbed with the Steamroller of Logic®. Excerpt:
Day after day, McClellan spoke of Miers' "unique" qualifications for the high bench. He stopped that pitch right after her appointment was pulled.
Really? Say it ain't so. He praised the appointee as the appointee when she was the appointee and then stopped praising her as the appointee when she was no longer the appointee. Somehow the logic of that has escaped the doddering dowager. Does Ford still advertise the Model A? Does IBM still have salesmen on the stump for the Displaywriter with 264K bytes of memory? Seen anyone parading around with "I Like Ike" campaign buttons lately?
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only thing worse than being helen thomas would be being married to helen thomas. that would be hell on earth. imagine waking up next to that every morning.
#3
Is there a more bitter antagonistic pile of shit, unaware of their own uselessness? She should be banned from the press conferences, just say "she should change her Depends⢠once in awhile"
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A multi-volume chronology and reference guide set detailing three years of the Mexican Drug War between 2010 and 2012.
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