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-Short Attention Span Theater-
Is Joe Rogan on the verge of converting to Christianity?
[Align] Is Joe Rogan on the verge of converting to Christianity?

Thanks to a clip of Rogan's podcast that theologian Paul Anleitner recently posted on X, people are wondering. Among them is Jordan Peterson, who reposted the clip with the comment "See you soon @joerogan."


Posted by: Besoeker || 03/02/2024 02:28 || Comments || Link || [41 views] Top|| File under:

#1  What is he now?
Posted by: Grom the Reflective || 03/02/2024 5:08 Comments || Top||

#2  He was raised Roman Catholic supposedly, but now calls himself an agnostic.

My guess he prefers the 'Church of Joe Rogan' and all its followers.
Posted by: Mullah Richard || 03/02/2024 7:11 Comments || Top||

#3  To whom would the label change matter?
Posted by: Skidmark || 03/02/2024 10:52 Comments || Top||


Elon Musk says people getting news from legacy media live in ‘fake alternate reality'
[Washington Examiner] Billionaire business magnate Elon Musk declared that those who receive their information from the legacy media are living in a "fake alternate reality."

"People who get their news from legacy TV live in a fake alternate reality," Musk posted to X on Thursday.

Accompanying the post was a video of ABC’s coverage of President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump’s dueling border visits.
Posted by: Besoeker || 03/02/2024 02:20 || Comments || Link || [40 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Shadows on the cave wall
Posted by: Procopius2k || 03/02/2024 7:35 Comments || Top||

#2  Musk says something smart today. Then he'll ruin it by saying something dumb tomorrow.

X quietly reinstates ‘misgendering’ rules a year after Musk ended policy
Posted by: M. Murcek || 03/02/2024 8:17 Comments || Top||

#3  /\ I'll take Musk's 50% right over Washington's 100% wrong....with a smile.
Posted by: Besoeker || 03/02/2024 9:00 Comments || Top||

#4  Yes besoeker is right. Shadows on the wall
Posted by: Anon1 || 03/02/2024 19:02 Comments || Top||

#5  Sorry, it’s procopius2k. Yes. Shadows on the cave wall. Precisely
So obvious now they are trying to censor the truth off the internet
Cannot do inside the US thanks to 1A although they did try
So they are doing it in UK, Ireland, France, EU, Australia, NZ all with new censorship laws so that social media censors globally

Thus bypassing 1a but you get censorship by proxy
Posted by: Anon1 || 03/02/2024 19:05 Comments || Top||


Candace Owens blows anti-Semitic dog whistle, MAGA hears it loud and clear and responds
Some really nasty replies there, antisemitism is really getting out of control. Someone needs to have a word with Elon Musk. Israel has the right to self-defense and a lot of people are really angry about this.
Jew-hate is fashionable again, and appears everywhere the self-defined kewl kids hang out, unfortunately.



Posted by: Fat Bob Untervehr8471 || 03/02/2024 00:00 || Comments || Link || [40 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Missing from that entire thread: any mention of or anything to do with MAGA. I'm not even sure what it is I saw - bizarre.
Posted by: Rex Mundi || 03/02/2024 1:05 Comments || Top||

#2  Agreed, Rex Mundi — the poster is wrong to connect this to MAGA, though it does reveal his prejudices.

How many of the tweeted responses in that thread are fakes trying to cause trouble?
Posted by: trailing wife || 03/02/2024 1:16 Comments || Top||

#3  In Dhahran where hundreds of Americans lived from 1933 to today on a permanent basis (largest common community of US citizen outside the US on a continuious basis, Note: While more Americans live in London, but they don't know each other or work for the same company, in other words they are disconnected form each other and have no common bond. Dhahran is totally different.). Anyway.... we had Jewish American Aramcons working there, some for decades. Saudi government (SAG) knew this, The locals knew this too. To all of us, it didn't matter. There was no animosity. What mattered to all of us was our work to maintain drilling programs in the Rub, and to produce, transport to across the desert and process the oil for export at RT (Ras Tanura) and later at Yanbu. My Saudi friends are saddened to watch what's unfolding today. It's not logical, nor justified to see what many people are led to think these days. The ability to broadcast worldwide, unsubstantiated, idiotic ideas at zero marginal cost to each author leads to huge amounts of mass ignorance. Bad ideas spread at the speed of light, while measured, mature and thoughtful understanding moves at the speed of molasses. Wisdom takes time to take root....while ignorance comes in the window at the speed of a chaotic riot on alcohol. My friends and colleagues from Dhahran in Aramco long for the days of our real tolerance toward each other. We lived it daily. Today, it's becoming a total mess. Sorry to say, but I fear for the future. I will be gone someday....but my children will be forced to deal with the fallout. Good luck with that.......
Posted by: OspasDhahran || 03/02/2024 1:26 Comments || Top||

#4  Back in the day they said the same thing about prostitution, gambling and billiards destroying the moral fabric of our society. Some people will do it, some won't.
Posted by: DarthVader || 03/02/2024 1:28 Comments || Top||

#5  Hoib, vey! The Burgers know...

McViper got very concerned.
"Does it show?"
"Well, your spotted skin's turned
Rightside-out and your head's
Glowing natural Red,
As in 'pot'..."
"You'd have thought I'd have learned."
Posted by: Lumpy the Rash7030 || 03/02/2024 2:39 Comments || Top||

#6  Bomb threat forces Jewish Florida students to evacuate school bus
Posted by: Grom the Reflective || 03/02/2024 5:22 Comments || Top||

#7  Poor Candace. Her argument amounts to "Anyone who even sees a bottle of alcohol will become an alcoholic."
Posted by: M. Murcek || 03/02/2024 7:24 Comments || Top||

#8  Hey OspasDhahran!

I was in Dhahran from 1958 to 1970. 1st flight there was on a ARAMCO DC-6.
Posted by: Flt93_Militia || 03/02/2024 7:59 Comments || Top||

#9  Was it Gazelle ? Flying Camel ? My badge number is 5 digits long. Today it's 6 and even 7. Were you in DH, RT or ABQ ?
Posted by: OspasDhahran || 03/02/2024 10:48 Comments || Top||

#10  the poster is wrong to connect this to MAGA, though it does reveal his prejudices.
Everything is connected to MAGA these days. (Sarcasm)
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 03/02/2024 11:27 Comments || Top||

#11  I remember when Batman was antisemitic because of Penguins nose.
Posted by: Grom the Reflective || 03/02/2024 15:53 Comments || Top||


-Land of the Free
Don Surber: Common sense thought control
Growing up in a household of teenaged girls in the late 1950s and early 1960s, I have an encyclopedic knowledge of the early days of rock and roll. I also was quite familiar with the adventures of Gerald Lloyd Kookson III, also known as Kookie, the parking valet at 77 Sunset Strip, a fictional address and the name of the TV show with perhaps the best theme song ever.

Kookie was a hipster who constantly combed his hair, which inspired Henry Winkler in his portrayal of Arthur Herbert Fonzarelli a decade-and-a-half later on Happy Days. Connie Stevens and Edd Byrnes (who played Kookie) had a hit record, Kookie, Kookie (Lend Me Your Comb).

Connie played Cricket on Hawaiian Eye, another of the period’s four Warner Brothers detective shows that weren’t government propaganda unlike NCIS, Hawaii 5-0, and the various FBI sagas where the cops are always right. I prefer Perry Mason reruns because the prosecutor is always wrong. The presumption of innocence is the ginchiest!

I thought about that Kookie song as I read the New York Post story, “MSNBC legal analyst says First Amendment makes U.S. ‘vulnerable,’ calls for ‘common sense’ speech restrictions.”

That would be MSNBC legal analyst Barbara McQuade, a University of Michigan law professor. I am not saying she is kooky. I just want her to lend me her comb.

Actually, I don’t. Her hair is flatter than Kansas. Why do so many liberal women look like they are passing kidney stones when they are on TV?

McQuade said, “I hope that by dissecting it, explaining it, and educating the public, we can all see disinformation for what it is so that we can begin to push back against it.”

Maddow said, gee willikers, certainly Americans are not dumb enough to fall for disinformation.

McQuade said, “Actually, Rachel, I think we’re more susceptible to it than other countries, and that’s because some of our greatest strengths can also be our Achilles Heel. So, for example, our deep commitment to free speech in our First Amendment. It is a cherished right. It’s an important right in democracy, and nobody wants to get rid of it, but it makes us vulnerable to claims [that] anything we want to do related to speech is censorship.”

I agree that many Americans foolishly and readily accept propaganda. A majority of Americans still believe that carbon dioxide kills life on the planet even though the reality is that carbon dioxide and water make life possible.
Read the rest at the link
Posted by: badanov || 03/02/2024 00:00 || Comments || Link || [28 views] Top|| File under:


Economy
Motley Fool talks '70 year dividend payer' ENB
[Motely Fool] Enbridge (NYSE: ENB) $34.80 (1.1%) $0.38

Enbridge (ENB 1.10%) has been a masterful dividend stock over the decades. The Canadian pipeline and utility company has paid dividends for nearly 70 years and has increased the payment for 29 straight years, growing it at an impressive 10% compound annual rate. While dividend growth has slowed in more recent years (it gave investors a 3.1% raise in 2024), it has plenty of power to continue increasing its payout in the future.
Posted by: Besoeker || 03/02/2024 10:31 || Comments || Link || [26 views] Top|| File under:


Government Corruption
‘A Very Bad Day': Sol Wisenberg Says Fani Willis' ‘Entire Office' Should Be Booted From Trump Trial
[Daily Caller] Former deputy independent counsel Sol Wisenberg said Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis’ entire office should be disqualified from the state RICO case against former President Donald Trump.

Fulton County Superior Court Judge Scott McAfee said Friday he would rule within the next two weeks whether Willis would be disqualified following a hearing during which attorneys for Trump and other defendants outlined their argument for Willis’ removal from the case. Wisenberg said that the evidence against Willis was strong. (RELATED: ’Why Did They Lie?’: Leo Terrell Says Fani Willis, Nathan Wade, Triggered ’Domino Effect’ Of ’Misrepresentation’)

"I think it’s been a very bad week for the Trump-bashers, the get-Trump crowd, and it was a very bad day for them, the parts that I saw in the courtroom there in Georgia," Wisenberg told Fox News host Laura Ingraham. "And I thought the argument by Harry MacDougal there that you had at the end was just very, very good, very strong, so I don’t see how she — even assuming that she isn’t kicked off the case, which I think she should be, the damage to her has really been severe and to her case."
Posted by: Besoeker || 03/02/2024 02:11 || Comments || Link || [38 views] Top|| File under:


#2  Question is, does the judge think so?
Posted by: ed in texas || 03/02/2024 7:59 Comments || Top||

#3  The judge made political donations to Willis. He has a conflict of interest too and should not be hearing this matter.
Posted by: M. Murcek || 03/02/2024 8:11 Comments || Top||

#4  ^ So here we go again with judicial misconduct. There oughtta be a law.
Posted by: Abu Uluque || 03/02/2024 12:11 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
20 new rules of politics Democrats have given us
[VDH in NYPost] The Left has created new rules for national politics. Here are 20 precedents they have established for America in the future:

1. When in control of the Senate, demand the end of the filibuster; when not, don’t.

2. Call for the end of the Electoral College — but only if it appears to recently favor the candidate of the opposition.

3. In an election year, change any state balloting laws deemed unhelpful through administrative fiat or court order to favor your political candidate.

4. Seek to flip electors from voting in accordance with the popular vote count in their states; indict as an insurrectionist any of the opposition who dare do the same.

5. Raid the home of any opposition ex-president who removed classified files; exempt any sitting president of your party who did the same.

6. Swarm the private homes of, and then bully and intimidate, any Supreme Court officials, politicians or citizens you oppose.

7. Appoint two special counsels: one to go after the current chief presidential opponent in an election year; the other to exempt and excuse the sitting president for the very crimes charged against his rival.

8. Lobby to remove any oppositional president through the 25th Amendment; smear anyone as ageist who suggests a cognitively challenged sitting resident of your party should be subject to similar invocations of the 25th Amendment.

9. Exempt thousands of arrested rioters from charges of 120 days of arson, looting, injuring 1,500 law enforcement officers, and assault — but only if they are radical supporters of your party.

10. Excuse any demonstrator or rioter for desecrating public monuments and cemeteries or shutting down bridges and freeways, or swarming and disrupting the Capitol Rotunda — but only if they agree with you and/or are pro-Hamas. Otherwise, ensure the charged face lengthy prison sentences.

11. Try to pack the Supreme Court — but only if justices you don’t like are in a majority.

12. Seek in an election year to remove a presidential opponent from state ballots for crimes for which he has never been charged, much less convicted of.

13. First target a presidential opponent, and then change, warp, or redefine laws to convict him. Weaponized prosecutors should always indict their political opponents in jurisdictions where they are guaranteed like-minded justices and jury pools.

14. Violate the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution (the prohibition of "excessive fines") by having sympathetic judges level multimillion-dollar fines to bankrupt the opposition candidate during a presidential campaign. The more there is no victim of a crime, the higher should be fines leveled for "damages."

15. Open the border by destroying all the protocols and executive orders of a predecessor president. Then welcome 8 million illegal aliens to "surge" into America on the premise that a new constituency might support agendas that American citizens do not. Then call the nonexistent border "secure," while blaming a predecessor president for having left it secure.

16. Have local prosecutors invent criminal acts of an opposition national presidential candidate in efforts to make it impossible for him to campaign for the presidency.

17. Use the FBI to hire out social media auditors to censor any news deemed problematic for the correct presidential candidate.

18. Hire a foreign national to concoct a smear dossier about one’s opposition political nominee. Ensure the FBI also uses and pays the foreign national to spread untruths among the media and administrative state.

19. On the eve of any major national or midterm election, ensure a president drains the Strategic Petroleum Reserve to lower gasoline prices.

20. On the eve of any major national or midterm election, ensure a president promises to cancel billions of dollars in contracted federal student loans.
Posted by: Frank G || 03/02/2024 08:52 || Comments || Link || [28 views] Top|| File under: Tin Hat Dictators, Presidents for Life, & Kleptocrats

#1  Recruit and subsidize NGOs with promises of future engagement to do your dirty work for plausible denial.
Posted by: Skidmark || 03/02/2024 10:52 Comments || Top||


House Freedom Caucus Calls on Mitch McConnell to Immediately Step Down from Leadership
[VNN] Paul Ryan never liked Donald Trump. He still frequently attacks Trump and praises his detractors like angry warmonger Liz Cheney.

Dirty Paul Ryan repeatedly lied to the American public about funding President Donald Trump’s border wall.

Paul Ryan is now a board member at FOX Corp.

Paul Ryan announced in December 2017 that he was retiring after the midterm election in 2018. Then he stuck around and did as much as he could to fund never-Trumpers and ignore Trump supporters in the historic midterms that gave Nancy Pelosi the gavel again.

Paul Ryan also hampered House republican investigators when he blocked subpoenas of Democrats associated with the Trump-Russia collusion hoax.

Yesterday, Trump-basher and failed Republican Senate Leader Mitch McConnell announced he will step down as Senate Republican Leader — but not until AFTER the 2024 election!

That way, Mitch can do all he can to fund unpopular RINO candidates, fund the endless War in Ukraine, ignore the US border, lie to Republican voters, and help Joe Biden and Democrats to a successful 2024 election so they can continue to destroy the country and jail noisy Republican opponents.

But, there is some hope.

On Wednesday, following Mitch McConnell’s announcement, the House Freedom Caucus called for Senator Mitch McConnell to be replaced immediately instead of waiting until November.
Posted by: Besoeker || 03/02/2024 02:34 || Comments || Link || [33 views] Top|| File under:


'Do You Believe in Miracles?' Something Supernatural is Happening with President Trump. We are All Witnessing "The Trump Miracle."
[Gateway] "Do you believe in miracles?" Remember those words by sports broadcaster Al Michaels when the underdog US Hockey team won the Olympic Gold in the 1980 Winter Olympics. History has branded that game...

"The Miracle on Ice."

See, in real life miracles do happen. We live in a negative, cynical world. Few of us really believe in miracles...and even fewer believe a miracle is happening, even when it’s happening right in front of us. But miracles happen all the time.

You just have to be open to seeing and believing in miracles.

I believe a miracle, sent directly by God, is happening right in front of us, right now. You just have to open your eyes.

President Trump is that miracle.

He’s sometimes crude and rude. He offends so many. He angers so many. "The powers that be" want him stopped at any cost- even if they have to frame him by making up crimes that never happened.

He faces so many indictments and trials. He faces over 700 years in prison. He is being fined hundreds of millions of dollars and banned from conducting business. If he doesn’t spend the rest of his life in prison, he could end up losing his empire to bankruptcy.

He is painted as "Hitler" and "KKK" and a "white supremacist." We are told he is "a threat to democracy." If elected, his critics say, he will destroy America.

Virtually everyone in power is against him- from the DC Swamp, to the Deep State, to the Military Industrial Complex (that wants wars around the world), to his own government agencies (CIA, FBI, DOJ, NSA) who frame him and spy on him.
Posted by: Besoeker || 03/02/2024 01:53 || Comments || Link || [48 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Americans are rude and crude. (OK, except for the hipsters, limp wristers, box wine aunties and the Jawn Kerry type faux aristocrats) Trump is what most of us see (or mostly want to see) when we look in the mirror. People who tell it like it is, don't suffer idiocy or idiots and believe in ourselves and those like us to get things done.
Posted by: M. Murcek || 03/02/2024 7:19 Comments || Top||

#2  Trump is the messenger. The people are speaking truth to power.
Posted by: Xyz || 03/02/2024 7:30 Comments || Top||

#3  Deus Ex Machina.
Posted by: EMS Artifact || 03/02/2024 9:11 Comments || Top||

#4  each evening and during the day i aum people. well not the people alone but their guardian angels. trump is one. The speaker of the house is one. 2 navy seals are one. gen swartzkopf is one. etc,etc.
aum is not a change impetus. but an empowering impetus helping them to right-thinking.
Posted by: irish rage boy || 03/02/2024 10:24 Comments || Top||

#5  Let not count our chickens early. We are no where near the finish line. Each law suit has their own "Christmas Miracle" bomb to drop at the last minute. And they will. The polls are doing nothing but giving the Dems planning numbers on how many votes they will need to harvest to win. When he wins, gets the electors and is sitting, again, in the white house, then and only then can we enjoy the victory.
Posted by: 49 Pan || 03/02/2024 10:47 Comments || Top||

#6  /\ Much wisdom found at #5.
Posted by: Besoeker || 03/02/2024 10:50 Comments || Top||

#7  1980s American Olympic hockey team was the last.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 03/02/2024 11:07 Comments || Top||

#8  LOL Trump and his antisemitic supporters will never win. He won't even appear on the ballot in many states, already IL banned him. So sorry Jew-haters, you lose again. LOL
Posted by: Fat Bob Untervehr8471 || 03/02/2024 11:11 Comments || Top||

#9  ^^Do you even live in this reality?
Posted by: Silentbrick || 03/02/2024 11:26 Comments || Top||

#10  That's our anti-semitic tool of many nyms, Woozle
Posted by: Frank G || 03/02/2024 12:01 Comments || Top||

#11  Americans are rude and crude. (OK, except for the hipsters, limp wristers, box wine aunties and the Jawn Kerry type faux aristocrats)

I think you give those people in the parentheses way to much credit.
Posted by: Abu Uluque || 03/02/2024 12:22 Comments || Top||

#12  I should have explicitly stated, the parenthetical ones are obnoxious. And also wrong.
Posted by: M. Murcek || 03/02/2024 12:29 Comments || Top||

#13  Each of us needs to try & stop the fake ballots for the senile pervert Pres Joe.
They found many in Muskegon here in Michigan.
Posted by: Spats B. Hayes8168 || 03/02/2024 13:38 Comments || Top||

#14  Trump tells you what you want to hear
Then when he is elected he does what the corporate donors want
Did he build a wall? No interest
You got poison shots from Operation Warp Speed and gold drapes and Javanka

Why do you think it will be different this time? Fool me once, shame on you
Fool me twice, shame on me

He had to ape Julian Assange complete with crooked fist, and get the Dims to wage lawfare in order to erase the J6 betrayal and pretend he is against the establishment
He is the establishment

The dims love trump. The media loves trump. The corporations and globalists love trump, he does what they want. He is their salesman

Only RFK jr is anti-corruption and that is why you do not see him in the news.
Posted by: Anon1 || 03/02/2024 18:56 Comments || Top||

#15  2016 trump: “drain the swamp”, “lock her up”
What did he do? Hired all the neocons from John Bolton on
He hired Nikki Haley the raytheon/boeing candidate and sent her to the UN

He organised the j6 protest, an obvious honeypot
Then instead of pardoning the confused mom and pop protesters rotting in jail, he pardoned some rapper because Kardashian

So, why do you think he will do what you want in office this time? He conned you once already
Posted by: Anon1 || 03/02/2024 19:00 Comments || Top||

#16  Trump wins 2024

What do you think he will do?

You won’t get anything you want.
Posted by: Anon1 || 03/02/2024 19:19 Comments || Top||

#17  I'm still angry at the GOP for not passing voter ID laws and restricting mail in voter laws across all 50 states and forcing Democrats to publicly oppose because they say blacks can't get ID. Most blacks haven't heard the claims (at least the man in the street interviews suggest so) and it might be eye opening for them. Also its required to clean up our system.

Hopefully more has happened than I know, but it seems like in their effort to not side with Trump they are letting our system be corrupted more and more.

Makes you wonder how many Rhinos are actually Democrats that ran as Republicans because all they had to do was say the conservative talking points until election day then do whatever they wanted afterwards.
Posted by: Ruprecht || 03/02/2024 22:53 Comments || Top||


Science & Technology
Moral Outrage Is Self-Serving, Say Psychologists
[Reason] When people publicly rage about perceived injustices that don't affect them personally, we tend to assume this expression is rooted in altruism—a "disinterested and selfless concern for the well-being of others."
There is no altruism. In fact George Price - the man who invented evolutionary game theory (EGT) - suicided upon proving its nonexistence.
But new research suggests that professing such third-party concern—what social scientists refer to as "moral outrage"—is often a function of self-interest, wielded to assuage feelings of personal culpability for societal harms or reinforce (to the self and others) one's own status as a Very Good Person.
in evolutionary biology terms "an advertisement of quality"
Outrage expressed "on behalf of the victim of [a perceived] moral violation" is often thought of as "a prosocial emotion" rooted in "a desire to restore justice by fighting on behalf of the victimized," explain Bowdoin psychology professor Zachary Rothschild and University of Southern Mississippi psychology professor Lucas A. Keefer in the latest edition of Motivation and Emotion. Yet this conventional construction—moral outrage as the purview of the especially righteous—is "called into question" by research on guilt, they say.

Feelings of guilt are a direct threat to one's sense that they are a moral person and, accordingly, research on guilt ?nds that this emotion elicits strategies aimed at alleviating guilt that do not always involve undoing one's actions. Furthermore, research shows that individuals respond to reminders of their group's moral culpability with feelings of outrage at third-party harm-doing. These findings suggest that feelings of moral outrage, long thought to be grounded solely in concerns with maintaining justice, may sometimes reflect efforts to maintain a moral identity.

To test this guilt-to-outrage-to-moral-reaffirmation premise, Rothschild and Keefer conducted five separate studies assessing the relationships between anger, empathy, identity, individual and collective guilt, self perception, and the expression of moral outrage.

For each study, a new group of respondents (solicited through Amazon's Mechanical Turk program) were presented with a fabricated news article about either labor exploitation in developing countries or climate change. For studies using the climate-change article, half of participants read that the biggest driver of man-made climate change was American consumers, while the others read that Chinese consumers were most to blame. With the labor exploitation article, participants in one study were primed to think about small ways in which they might be contributing to child labor, labor trafficking, and poor working conditions in "sweatshops"; in another, they learned about poor conditions in factories making Apple products and the company's failure to stop this. After exposure to their respective articles, study participants were given a series of short surveys and exercises to assess their levels of things like personal guilt, collective guilt, anger at third parties ("multinational corporations," "international oil companies") involved in the environmental destruction/labor exploitation, desire to see someone punished, and belief in personal moral standing, as well as baseline beliefs about the topics in question and positive or negative affect. Here's the gist of Rothschild and Keefer's findings:

  • Triggering feelings of personal culpability for a problem increases moral outrage at a third-party target. For instance, respondents who read that Americans are the biggest consumer drivers of climate change "reported significantly higher levels of outrage at the environmental destruction" caused by "multinational oil corporations" than did the respondents who read that Chinese consumers were most to blame.

  • The more guilt over one's own potential complicity, the more desire "to punish a third-party through increased moral outrage at that target." For instance, participants in study one read about sweatshop labor exploitation, rated their own identification with common consumer practices that allegedly contribute, then rated their level of anger at "international corporations" who perpetuate the exploitative system and desire to punish these entities. The results showed that increased guilt "predicted increased punitiveness toward a third-party harm-doer due to increased moral outrage at the target."

  • Having the opportunity to express outrage at a third-party decreased guilt in people threatened through "ingroup immorality." Study participants who read that Americans were the biggest drivers of man-made climate change showed significantly higher guilt scores than those who read the blame-China article when they weren't given an opportunity to express anger at or assign blame to a third-party. However, having this opportunity to rage against hypothetical corporations led respondents who read the blame-America story to express significantly lower levels of guilt than the China group. Respondents who read that Chinese consumers were to blame had similar guilt levels regardless of whether they had the opportunity to express moral outrage.

  • "The opportunity to express moral outrage at corporate harm-doers" inflated participants perception of personal morality. Asked to rate their own moral character after reading the article blaming Americans for climate change, respondents saw themselves as having "significantly lower personal moral character" than those who read the blame-China article—that is, when they weren't given an out in the form of third-party blame. Respondents in the America-shaming group wound up with similar levels of moral pride as the China control group when they were first asked to rate the level of blame deserved by various corporate actors and their personal level of anger at these groups. In both this and a similar study using the labor-exploitation article, "the opportunity to express moral outrage at corporate harm-doing (vs. not) led to significantly higher personal moral character ratings," the authors found.

  • Guilt-induced moral outrage was lessened when people could assert their goodness through alternative means, "even in an unrelated context." Study five used the labor exploitation article, asked all participants questions to assess their level of "collective guilt" (i.e., "feelings of guilt for the harm caused by one's own group") about the situation, then gave them an article about horrific conditions at Apple product factories. After that, a control group was given a neutral exercise, while others were asked to briefly describe what made them a good and decent person; both exercises were followed by an assessment of empathy and moral outrage. The researchers found that for those with high collective-guilt levels, having the chance to assert their moral goodness first led to less moral outrage at corporations. But when the high-collective-guilt folks were given the neutral exercise and couldn't assert they were good people, they wound up with more moral outrage at third parties. Meanwhile, for those low in collective guilt, affirming their own moral goodness first led to marginally more moral outrage at corporations.

These findings held true even accounting for things such as respondents political ideology, general affect, and background feelings about the issues.

Ultimately, the results of Rothschild and Keefer's five studies were "consistent with recent research showing that outgroup-directed moral outrage can be elicited in response to perceived threats to the ingroup's moral status," write the authors. The findings also suggest that "outrage driven by moral identity concerns serves to compensate for the threat of personal or collective immorality" and the cognitive dissonance that it might elicit, and expose a "link between guilt and self-serving expressions of outrage that reflect a kind of 'moral hypocrisy,' or at least a non-moral form of anger with a moral facade."

Posted by: Grom the Reflective || 03/02/2024 00:00 || Comments || Link || [47 views] Top|| File under:

#1  See how they feel about this

University of Florida fires all DEI employees in compliance with state law
Posted by: Skidmark || 03/02/2024 0:10 Comments || Top||

#2  Psychologists are self-serving say moral people

Sounds like some nihilists (liberals) are preparing to sway public opinion.
Posted by: AlmostAnonymous5839 || 03/02/2024 0:56 Comments || Top||

#3  They pretend to be decent people by being outraged about shit no one cares about to make themselves feel better as in truth they are evil, horrible people.
Posted by: DarthVader || 03/02/2024 1:25 Comments || Top||

#4  ^Exactamo
Posted by: Grom the Reflective || 03/02/2024 1:59 Comments || Top||

#5  These professors should be glad I did not participate in this study. I love my gas stove, gas hot water heater, gas furnace, gas cars.. My moral outrage is against those trying to take them away.
Posted by: Airandee || 03/02/2024 6:04 Comments || Top||

#6  "Don't get mad - get even..."
Posted by: M. Murcek || 03/02/2024 7:20 Comments || Top||

#7  Anytime someone gets involved in other's lives, it's from feeling superior. You wouldn't do it if you felt inferior.
Posted by: ed in texas || 03/02/2024 8:04 Comments || Top||

#8  Children run down their siblings to feel better about themselves. Some never grow out of it.
Posted by: Bobby || 03/02/2024 8:04 Comments || Top||

#9  #s 7,8 nailed it.
Posted by: M. Murcek || 03/02/2024 8:10 Comments || Top||

#10  well, yeah.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 03/02/2024 12:44 Comments || Top||

#11  see if this one works.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 03/02/2024 15:30 Comments || Top||

#12  Unabomber ted k nailed it in his manifesto. A true ruined genius.

Moral outrage rewards a person for expressing their aggressive hostility which would otherwise be censured
Same, cry-bullying

It is about being praised for and enjoying the expression of hostile aggression

It is self-indulgent, a sweet moral treat. BLM burning down buildings and getting bailed out, not arrested, praised as crusaders against racism

It is the most vile of human psychology, the scum at the bottom of the barrel, the dishonest thief of praise for evil acts
Posted by: Anon1 || 03/02/2024 19:55 Comments || Top||

#13  In australia they are now coming for our gas stoves also
Posted by: Anon1 || 03/02/2024 19:56 Comments || Top||

#14  Another confirmation during Conspiracy Theorists Month.

So no shit, back in the day there I was getting my first hours on highway driving. Thought, "How cool would it be if vehicles could talk to each other, coordinate, and call out warnings.

Five minutes into the first online game lobby, had a straight decision that would have been a really, reallly bad idea.
Posted by: swksvolFF || 03/02/2024 21:34 Comments || Top||



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