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--Tech & Moderator Notes
President Obama Shuts Down Disney Main Street
Imagine a Republican president visiting a major tourist attraction in the midst of a severe recession and shutting down that park's Main Street just so he could deliver an address to a closed audience. The mainstream media would have a field day with that, don't ya think? They would go on about the economic impact on the park, and about how the insensitive president is depriving children of their once-in-a-lifetime opportunity both to see Disneyland and to see the president up close. The MSM would connect the shutdown of the park's Main Street to the death of jobs on America's Main Streets. They might even find one of the president's former supporters who worked on a Main Street but has lost her job. The MSM would turn the event into a week of coverage and a campaign narrative that the president is out of touch, insensitive to kids, and a threat to Main Streets from Florida to Alaska.

But Obama is taking his magical presidency to the Magic Kingdom, forcing the park to shut down its Main Street and depriving the tourists who spent their hard-earned money to take their families there of visiting an unfettered amusement park, and the MSM isn't saying boo about it.

In a document distributed to cast members that was obtained by WESH 2 News, Disney outlines what the presidential visit will mean to park operations that day. Disney advises that Main Street, U.S.A., including shops like the Emporium, will be closed to guests from park opening through late afternoon.When park guests arrive, they will be directed through "alternate routes" to enjoy other areas of the park, Disney said. Main Street, U.S.A. will open later in the day, in time for the "Celebrate A Dream Come True Parade" at 3:30 p.m.Disney's hotel guests will be informed about the changes beginning Wednesday, the document said. Letters will be sent to each guest room and Disney's in-room television information system will be updated.

The president's remarks won't be open to the park's guests. The White House is handling the "invitations," meaning it will be a hand-picked crowd. So like Disneyland itself, the magical president will stack the event with a cast of his own choosing.
The pure, unbridled arrogance of this man just floors me. He is acting as an emperor and king and doesn't give a rats ass about the common man and how much he inconveniences them. We already had a king Obama. We overthrew him. Anybody but Obama in '12!
One small point: Bambi needed an invite from Disney to do this. Even he can't order them to provide him with the venue; someone had to propose it and the Disney executives had to go along with it. I suspect it was approved at the highest levels. Maybe Minnie herself knew about it, though I dunno about Goofy. Oh, I do know, Goofy was definitely for it.

The point is: Disney is going along with this, and given the mood of the country I have to wonder why.
Posted by: DarthVader || 01/18/2012 11:44 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Obama's people could very easily "suggest" that the invitation be issued. "Nice park you got here. Be a shame if anything happened to it."

The IRS, EPA, FDA, SEIU, et.al. could all have been inflicted on the park if they were not forthcoming with this in-kind campaign contribution.
Posted by: AlanC || 01/18/2012 12:48 Comments || Top||

#2  Maybe this is Zero's price for signing SOPA | PIPA...

He is acting as an emperor and king and doesn't give a rats ass about the common man and how much he inconveniences them.

And the media is treating him like an Emperor and GodKing. They are treating his Whitehouse more like Camelot every day and his cabinet more like the Knights of the round table.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 01/18/2012 13:00 Comments || Top||

#3  Let me get this straight.

He is going to promote tourism while totally gumming up a tourist site, and give a talk about real main street on a wholly fabricated main street.

I say go for it, a great way to ghost the Republicans, and look forward to the stories of how the real tourists saved for years and planned for months only to have Wally tell them the park is closed for a private soiree.
Posted by: swksvolFF || 01/18/2012 17:03 Comments || Top||

#4  Maybe this is Zero's price for signing SOPA | PIPA
Maybe, but over on Drudge today, Bambi has pizzed off the Hoolywierd 'moguls' ( the word from the article) as he came down on the side of anti-SOPA ( at least for now, i predict a waffle-ex in his future and an 'upon further review...' moment)

and Hollywierd is really pizzed as in tehy are threatening to withhold campaign $$.
for once i kind of agree with Waffles.
Posted by: USN, Ret. || 01/18/2012 20:44 Comments || Top||

#5  Oh, i forgot, is it just a coincidence that Bambi appears in the same place 'Its A Small World' and that murder-inciting theme music endlessly plays?????
Posted by: USN, Ret. || 01/18/2012 20:53 Comments || Top||

#6  He Be my Pharaoh, Fo bettah o' Fo Wurs!!

Dat 00bama, He sucks.
Posted by: Bugs Glomoque3110 || 01/18/2012 23:14 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
Obama: More jobs in jobless benefits than Keystone
YJCMTSU
President Obama said that he will delay his vacation and keep Congress in session until the passage of his desired payroll tax cut and unemployment benefits extension -- two proposals that Obama said would create more jobs than the Keystone XL pipeline that his administration recently delayed.
no - spend the time ripping him a new asshole
"I would not ask anyone to do something I'm not willing to do myself," Obama said when asked if he would go on vacation while keeping Congress in Washington D.C. "We are going to stay here as long as it takes [to get unemployment extended and pass the payroll tax cut]."
"I will get in a few rounds of golf, however"
As Obama called for passage of those bills, he also responded to a recent Republican push to require him to approve the construction of the Keystone XL pipeline from Canada. "However many jobs might be generated by a Keystone pipeline," he said, "they're going to be a lot fewer than the jobs that are created by extending the payroll tax cut and extending unemployment insurance."
Posted by: Frank G || 01/18/2012 15:20 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I'm confused. Exactly how are job generated by paying someone not to work with money borrowed from the Chinese?
Posted by: DarthVader || 01/18/2012 15:40 Comments || Top||

#2  That's because you haven't mastered dialectical materialism, Darth.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 01/18/2012 15:47 Comments || Top||

#3  Those nasty Chinese are looking to cut down the magic money tree and slay the welfare unicorn.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 01/18/2012 15:51 Comments || Top||

#4  I think he means (but who can tell) that the extension of the payroll tax cut would create jobs. In ordinary times it likely would, but the short duration and small dollar amount has already been priced in by the investment and business communities.
Posted by: Steve White || 01/18/2012 15:58 Comments || Top||

#5  Temporary tax cuts have little effect on long term behavior and tend to get saved rather than spent.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 01/18/2012 16:02 Comments || Top||

#6  Dec 8, and a good reminder.
Posted by: swksvolFF || 01/18/2012 16:03 Comments || Top||

#7  'Make work' jobs are paid for by productive jobs.
Posted by: Glenmore || 01/18/2012 16:09 Comments || Top||

#8  two proposals that Obama said would create more jobs than the Keystone XL pipeline that his administration recently delayed stopped.

Canada said it's O.K. with them if we want to make the U.S. a national park. They will sell the oil to the Chicoms.

BO's statement indicates he has no concept of economics. That is why we are in deep $hit. The money has to come from the taxes of those working or it is borrowed from the Chicoms (in which case it eventually falls back on the taxpayers).
Posted by: JohnQC || 01/18/2012 18:00 Comments || Top||

#9  Remember when we all used to laugh about Bizarro World because someone else was living in it?
I miss those days...
Posted by: tu3031 || 01/18/2012 21:47 Comments || Top||


Foggy Bottom (Bambi) to reject Keystone
WASHINGTON -- The US State Department is expected to announce that it will not approve the controversial Keystone XL pipeline project, FOX News Channel reported, citing an industry source.

Sources told Politico the announcement will be made Wednesday afternoon by the State Department, which has the final say in the pipeline's approval because it crosses international borders.
So Bambi can point to Hilde, and Hilde can utter some stoopid BS since she's not running for another office, and the pipeline dies. Then progressive environmentalists in the US will meddle sufficiently in Canadian politics to kill the proposed pipeline to their west coast, which will leave Canada no way to export the oil from the Alberta oil sands. This will cause operations there to shut down and put thousands of Canadians out of work. Since everyone knows that oil is ucky it's okay to shut down all these projects in the US and in Canada, since when oil and gas cost more it's the little people who pay, and they'll be grateful even as their moral and intellectual betters get along with their MacBook Airs and iPads. We can always buy oil from Venezuela, Brazil, Nigeria and Iran, after all.
The pipeline, which would run from Canada to Texas, was a major sticking point in the debate in Congress last month over the extension of the payroll tax holiday. The ultimate agreement on the extension included a provision forcing the Obama administration to make a quicker decision on whether to approve the pipeline. The administration had until Feb. 21 to make its decision.
Wonder why they made it early? That's so unlike Bambi...
Amid protests from environmental groups, President Barack Obama initially said he would not issue a final verdict on the project until after the 2012 elections.

Republicans argued the pipeline would create thousands of US jobs and correctly said Obama was delaying the decision for purely political reasons.
Posted by: Steve White || 01/18/2012 12:35 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  What the hell?!? Is it possible to do this in an election year without extreme blowback? Every single Obama campaign appearance should have anti-Keystone protests. And every single vulnerable Democrat needs to be put on the record on this issue ASAP. If we can force him to retract this decision or to make a fool of himself trying to defend it, this will be quite a start to a wild year ahead.
Posted by: ryuge || 01/18/2012 13:04 Comments || Top||

#2  I think the various Democratic senators and reps, especially those with a credible opponent in the fall, on the record is a great idea. Too bad we don't have a MSM that would do that.
Posted by: Steve White || 01/18/2012 13:06 Comments || Top||

#3  It will be interesting to see how this is incorporated into the "payroll tax" holiday extension. That way we get the pipeline and Obumble can tell the greens he didn't want to do it.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 01/18/2012 13:20 Comments || Top||

#4  I wonder if this will suddenly be reversed say... late August. Just in time for the poll bounce in the 2012 election maybe? 'Cuz I know the republicans will hammer him over this.
Posted by: DarthVader || 01/18/2012 13:47 Comments || Top||

#5  Or maybe he's holding back so he can offer it as some kind of "concession" to Trunks later.

And what's the big deal? No pipeline, no allowance increase.
Posted by: gorb || 01/18/2012 15:26 Comments || Top||

#6  I think gorb and Nimble have it. He offers the pipeline back as part of the extension of the payroll tax deal. Question is what he'll extract from the House along with what he wants on the payroll tax and unemployment benefits.
Posted by: Steve White || 01/18/2012 15:59 Comments || Top||

#7  DV, we had a similar play not long ago. Gary Johnson was running as a Trunk for governor of New Mexico and had declared that he'd sign Indian Gaming compacts with the tribes. Came August and seating Governor King, of two prior terms along with a short absence to do another back to back, who'd opposed the compacts suddenly found himself not in the comfortable margin he'd always previously enjoyed. He let it be know that he'd 'reconsider' his position. Too late. For the first time probably since FDR the tribes cast a significant Trunk vote putting Johnson into the governor's seat.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 01/18/2012 17:12 Comments || Top||

#8  We have a full blown flaming idiot for a Pres. He has no interest in jobs or the American people. He weighs the potential for votes from one group versus another group--it is all about him and his frigging re-election.
Posted by: JohnQC || 01/18/2012 17:12 Comments || Top||

#9  This is what impeachment was designed for.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 01/18/2012 19:52 Comments || Top||

#10  and this week industry analysts are predicting $4/gallon gas by Memorial day, $5/gallon by summer. Yes this pipeline would not be on line, but between this and the gulf drill moratorium, the Pubs should be pounding this drum non-phuquing stop. but they won't, spineless twats.
Posted by: USN, Ret. || 01/18/2012 20:51 Comments || Top||

#11  Where's the outrage?
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418 || 01/18/2012 21:10 Comments || Top||


Obama's jobs council report says 'drill'
President Obama's jobs council called Tuesday for an "all-in approach" to energy policy that includes expanded oil-and-gas drilling as well as expediting energy projects like pipelines.

"[W]e should allow more access to oil, natural gas and coal opportunities on federal lands," states the year-end report released Tuesday by the President's Council on Jobs and Competitiveness.
Did they say anything about off-shore drilling?
The report does not specifically mention the Keystone XL oil pipeline, but it endorses moving forward quickly with projects that "deliver electricity and fuel," including pipelines.
Any bets on how fast Obama rolls up his sleeves and starts ignoring this and heads to the links?
Posted by: DarthVader || 01/18/2012 10:40 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  DoE excuse all ready being prepared: Not enough time to do EIS. Obama will use that to not approve.
Posted by: Jack is Back! || 01/18/2012 11:42 Comments || Top||

#2  GOP candidates need to support this approach and to attack Obama early and often for his refusal to promote. They must make it a major campaign issue. I doubt they will.
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418 || 01/18/2012 12:27 Comments || Top||

#3  Fox sez Obama's gonna reject the XL pipeline request via his cutouts at Hillary's DOS. 20,000 jobs and energy source without Arab fingerprints shot down to placate his lefty base. *spit*
Posted by: Frank G || 01/18/2012 12:45 Comments || Top||

#4  Oh he is going to drill America, gonna drill it real good.
Posted by: swksvolFF || 01/18/2012 17:09 Comments || Top||

#5  OPEC is laughing all the way to the bank with our money. Meanwhile, the American people get hosed doubly via higher gas/oil prices. We pay more at the pump and we pay more for all products transported using gas/diesel. Everyone who has a job is working harder and harder for less and less.
Posted by: JohnQC || 01/18/2012 17:47 Comments || Top||

#6  As designed JohnQC... as Obama and his master's (Soros, etc...) designed it to work.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 01/18/2012 18:16 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Culture Wars
Chris Dodd: These anti-SOPA websites are abusing their power

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Oh, the hypocrisy! But what did you expect Chris Dodd to say? That anti-SOPA websites are doing all of us a service by standing up for free speech? Not likely. Still, it's unfailingly astonishing that politicians like Dodd are so capable of saying the things they say without the slightest trace of irony. Nate Nelson of UnitedLiberty.org brings us the story:

The MPAA selected Dodd as its new head lobbyist chairman and CEO last year. Now Dodd is taking aim at Wikipedia, Google, and other websites involved in today's protest against the SOPA/PIPA internet censorship legislation pending in Congress:

"It is an irresponsible response and a disservice to people who rely on them for information and use their services. It is also an abuse of power given the freedoms these companies enjoy in the marketplace today. It's a dangerous and troubling development when the platforms that serve as gateways to information intentionally skew the facts to incite their users in order to further their corporate interests."

Did you get that? The man whom the Center for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) once called one of the most corrupt members of Congress thinks the websites that are protesting SOPA/PIPA today are abusing their power. Speaking for the motion picture industry, he accuses these websites of "skewing the facts ... in order to further their corporate interests." I wonder what Dodd thinks his angle is here? Trust me, I know abuse of power? That Dodd is serving as the commander-in-chief of the Hollywood forces seeking to censor the Internet illustrates how important today's protest really is. We're fighting an uphill battle and need all the media attention and popular support we can muster. You can bet it's no accident that less than a year after the MPAA hired a former five-term senator as its chief executive we're seeing this heavy-handed anti-piracy legislation that the MPAA so desperately wants.


But wait -- maybe Chris Dodd has a highly compelling justification for SOPA that helps us to understand why he thinks websites willing to sacrifice a day of hits to stand against it are so power-abusive? Actually, he does. According to Dodd, we shouldn't care that the government wants to censor the Internet. After all, communist China does it.

Seriously. That is his justification. From an article in Variety magazine late last year:

Dodd, who assumed his post in March, notes that the idea of blocking sites is by no means unprecedented. Other supporters of the legislation note Internet providers already block criminal content like child pornography. Citing a more controversial practice, Dodd notes "When the Chinese told Google that they had to block sites or they couldn't do [business] in their country, they managed to figure out how to block sites."


While he was in the Senate, Dodd supported net neutrality, and we know from Dodd-Frank, too, that he's regulation-happy. His support for SOPA comes as no surprise -- but the hypocrisy of his criticism of SOPA-critical websites still appalls.

Incidentally, I do disagree with United Liberty's Nelson on one point. At this point, I think the momentum is actually on the side of the anti-SOPA folks. Granted, if players like Chris Dodd are involved, the pro-SOPA contingent might find an unfair way to push this through -- and Harry Reid remains committed to the passage of the Senate equivalent, PIPA -- but Darrell Issa has said SOPA won't make it out of committee until some kind of "consensus" is reached, Marco Rubio recently withdrew his support for PIPA and then, too, those "irresponsible" websites that blacked out today are awakening all kinds of awareness.
With Dodd at the helm, I am taking the position that anything the MPAA wants I am immediately opposed to it.
I didn't need Dodd at the helm to tell me that...
Darth: try to include the link to the origin article next time.
Posted by: DarthVader || 01/18/2012 16:04 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I can't think of Dodd as other than Teddy Kennedy's drunken gang rape partner.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 01/18/2012 18:07 Comments || Top||

#2  If anyone knows about abuse of power, it's Chris Dodd.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 01/18/2012 19:18 Comments || Top||

#3  A drunken fool besides Teds partner in Droit du seigneur.
Posted by: Water Modem || 01/18/2012 19:24 Comments || Top||

#4  You don't need to go away quietly, Chris - just GO AWAY.

Of course, you'd know about abuse of power....
Posted by: Barbara || 01/18/2012 19:33 Comments || Top||

#5  Chris Dodd and Barney Frank deserved a flogging in the public square (Barney might like that), stripping of their funds, pensions, and citizenships for the damage they did to our country
Posted by: Frank G || 01/18/2012 21:20 Comments || Top||

#6  In a just world, an asshole like this would be in jail, not pulling down six figures for peddling his corrupt ass to the highest bidder.
Posted by: tu3031 || 01/18/2012 21:37 Comments || Top||


-Election 2012
U.S. Republicans Take Aim at Romney in Fiery Debate
[An Nahar] A tightened field vying for the Republican nomination took aim at frontrunner Mitt Romney
...whose real first name is actually, no kidding, Willard, was governor of Massachussetts and is currently the front-runner for president on the Publican ticket. He is the son of the former governor of Michigan, George Romney, who himself ran for president after saving American Motors from failure, though not permanently. Romney's foot is in an ideological bucket because of Romneycare, a state-level experiment that should have been a warning against Obamacare if anyone had been paying attention. Romney's charisma is best defined as soporific, which is probably why he is leading the Publican field...
in a fiery
...a single two-syllable word carrying connotations of both incoherence and viciousness. A fiery delivery implies an audience of rubes and yokels, preferably forming up into a mob...
debate here just days before South Carolina's presidential primary.

Before a raucous audience late Monday, the four candidates lagging behind Romney in polls ahead of Saturday's key vote slammed the former Massachusetts governor and traded charges over a rash of nasty attack ads by outside groups.

Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, who is trailing in the battle to be the party's standard-bearer in the November election against President Barack Obama
Why can't I just eat my waffle?...
, came out swinging against Romney, scoring several hits with the crowd.

Gingrich said Romney should answer questions about his time as a venture capitalist with a company called Bain Capital, after Romney's rivals slammed him for buying out firms to leave them bankrupt and reap the rewards.

The multi-millionaire Romney was also called on to release his tax records, and said he may do so later in the year, without making a firm commitment.

Romney hit back against the attacks, led in a kind of pincer movement by Gingrich and former U.S. senator Rick Santorum, who lost the Iowa caucuses to Romney earlier this month by a razor-thin margin.

Romney defended his "record of success" in the private sector, arguing that his business and managerial acumen makes him the candidate best able to defeat Obama and revive the sluggish U.S. economy.

Romney and Gingrich traded accusations over negative ads run by multi-million-dollar outside groups, with Romney calling a film about Bain Capital made by Gingrich supporters "the biggest hoax since Big Foot."

Gingrich -- who blamed attacks by Romney supporters for his poor showing in Iowa -- mocked Romney's contention that he had no control over such groups, saying it "makes you wonder how much influence he'd have if he were president."

As in previous debates, Romney reserved his harshest criticism for Obama, accusing the president of trying to turn the United States into a "European social welfare state."

Gingrich meanwhile defended his characterization of Obama as "the food stamp president" when a debate moderator questioned whether it was belittling to poor Americans and minorities.

He also stirred up a rare standing ovation from the audience when he defended his idea of employing poor children as public school janitors.

"They'd learn to show up for work. They could do light janitorial duty... They'd be getting money, which is a good thing if you're poor. Only the elites despise earning money," he said.
Posted by: Fred || 01/18/2012 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Willard? Like the only Willard I ever heard of was this one. All I can think is OUCH!
Posted by: Water Modem || 01/18/2012 2:18 Comments || Top||

#2  ...his idea of employing poor children as public school janitors.

The Japanese are way ahead on that idea. Every kid participates [except the one holding the camera].
Posted by: Procopius2k || 01/18/2012 8:29 Comments || Top||

#3  Why is it that we're supposed to emulate the Far East in everything BUT actually expecting a work ethic from our children?
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain || 01/18/2012 9:03 Comments || Top||

#4  Gingrich said Romney should answer questions about his time as a venture capitalist with a company called Bain Capital, after Romney's rivals slammed him for buying out firms to leave them bankrupt and reap the rewards.

I heard this was "economic with the verity"*

*Not true.

Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 01/18/2012 11:16 Comments || Top||

#5  Duh! Ever heard of military schools or academies? Ya think those kids have maids or janitors or do the job themselves. And Mom and Dad are paying up to $50K per year for them to learn how to use Ajax and a broom.
Posted by: Jack is Back! || 01/18/2012 11:46 Comments || Top||

#6  Only the elites despise earning money
Should be any GOP candidates response to such stupid criticism of business activity. On the other hand, none speaks of stopping the looting of the economy and prosecuting the frauds and white collar criminals - that's where the beef is.
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418 || 01/18/2012 12:32 Comments || Top||

#7  Those public school janitors have unions, you know, and I think you can all guess how those unions are gonna respond to this proposal.
Posted by: Ebbang Uluque6305 || 01/18/2012 15:28 Comments || Top||

#8  In fact they had already a few months back, or a congress critter did, will try to remember who but that was exactly what was said, basically union busting.
Posted by: swksvolFF || 01/18/2012 16:09 Comments || Top||

#9  Nice video of the Japanes schoolroom clean-up. When I taught in Japan I supervised clean-up time for a junior high-school class that looked almost exactly like that (except for the kids being a few years older). I had absolutely no idea what I was supervising, but the students all knew the routine, and did it without prompting. The weirdest part was after each cleaning session, all teachers were supposed to give an inspirational and ecouraging speech to the students. So I would mumble some random stuff in English to my class for a few mintues, and the students would pretend to understand, and everyone was happy!
Posted by: Scooter McGruder || 01/18/2012 17:17 Comments || Top||

#10  When are the Pubs going to quit beating each other up and go after the real enemy? this frienldy fire is just what the Dems want.

these guys are terminally stupid.
Posted by: USN, Ret. || 01/18/2012 20:46 Comments || Top||


Romney says US should not negotiate with Taliban
[Dawn] US Republican presidential front-runner Mitt Romney
...whose real first name is actually, no kidding, Willard, was governor of Massachussetts and is currently the front-runner for president on the Publican ticket. He is the son of the former governor of Michigan, George Romney, who himself ran for president after saving American Motors from failure, though not permanently. Romney's foot is in an ideological bucket because of Romneycare, a state-level experiment that should have been a warning against Obamacare if anyone had been paying attention. Romney's charisma is best defined as soporific, which is probably why he is leading the Publican field...
said on Monday the United States should not negotiate with the Taliban and he criticised the B.O. regime for efforts to broker secret talks with the Afghan bad boys.

Romney, who has won the first two Republican contests in the race to pick a nominee to face Democratic President Barack Obama
I've now been in 57 states -- I think one left to go...
in November, strongly rejected any sort of talks with the Taliban.

"The right course for America is not to negotiate with the Taliban while the Taliban are killing our soldiers," Romney said during a debate of the five Republican presidential hopefuls ahead of Saturday's South Carolina primary. "The right course is to recognise that they are the enemy of the United States."

Romney said Obama had put the United States in a position of "extraordinary weakness" because he had made a decision based on a political calendar on when to pull US troops out of Afghanistan and because he has even publicly announced the date when the United States would completely withdraw from the country.

"We don't negotiate from a position of weakness as we are pulling our troops out," Romney said. "We should not negotiate with the Taliban. We should defeat the Taliban."

Senior US officials told Rooters last month that the United States had been involved in 10 months of secret dialogue with the Taliban. Officials had said the talks had reached a critical juncture and a Taliban prisoner transfer was possible from the Guantanamo Bay military prison into Afghan government custody.

US officials had said a transfer of prisoners could be one confidence-building measure critical to making progress on a peace deal between the Taliban and the government of Afghanistan's Caped President Hamid Maybe I'll join the Taliban Karzai.
... A former Baltimore restaurateur, now 12th and current President of Afghanistan, displacing the legitimate president Rabbani in December 2004. He was installed as the dominant political figure after the removal of the Taliban regime in late 2001 in a vain attempt to put a Pashtun face on the successor state to the Taliban. After the 2004 presidential election, he was declared president regardless of what the actual vote count was. He won a second, even more dubious, five-year-term after the 2009 presidential election. His grip on reality has been slipping steadily since around 2007, probably from heavy drug use...
But Romney said those negotiations sent the wrong message to the people of Afghanistan.

"Think what it says to the people of Afghanistan...if they see us, their ally, turning and negotiating with the very people they are going to have to protect their nation from."

If Romney wins the Republican nomination, he will face Obama on Election Day Nov 6. Obama's record on foreign policy and national security is likely to be one of his strengths, however, because he can point to the killing last year of al Qaeda leader the late Osama bin Laden
... he's rotten though not quite forgotten...
as one of his victories.
Posted by: Fred || 01/18/2012 00:00 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  of course Romney is know to say whatever he thinks you want to hear and we have no idea at all where his moral core may lie, and that is the rub whenever Romney gets one right. Is he really right on this one, or just following the latest polling on the issue.
Posted by: abu do you love || 01/18/2012 0:29 Comments || Top||

#2  Romney says US should not negotiate with Taliban

There's a difference between 'should' and 'will' as any contracting agent will tell you.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 01/18/2012 7:31 Comments || Top||

#3  Romney's been pretty consistent on international matters. Not surprising - I've been told that Mormons serve in the military, intel services (esp. covert on the ground agents) and law enforcement (FBI, state BIs) way more than their % of the overall population.

Brigham Young Univ. has an archives program called Saints at War that documents Mormon military service. There's a story in Mormon literature about the Striplings, the theme of which is that elders in one tribe kept their sacred vow not ever to fight the other tribe, which broke their similar vow and launched a war. A small cohort of the younger generation (the Striplings), not having made that vow, took on the much larger agressor army and beat the pants off of them, suffering not a single casualty. The moral being, if you're squared away in your morality national defense is an honorable and even righteous activity. Mormons tend not to preach passive resistance or "better Red than Dead" - they can be quite vigorous in the other direction.

Huntsman was an anomaly in that his father's business interests made him much more interested in doing deals with China than in national security. Romney's much more representative of the Mormon community in that way.

Huntsman tried to buy/lobby his way into managing the Salt Lake City Olympics. Utah leadership chose Romney instead, based on his experience and skills, and he did a very good job of it. The Huntsmans have never forgiven him for that and in general are far more transnational in their personal goals and fortune. Which is why Huntsman made a run for the candidacy - it was to draw away potential Romney supporters, not because he was really all that serious. If he had been, his multibillionaire dad would have funded the campaign all-out.
Posted by: lotp || 01/18/2012 10:31 Comments || Top||

#4  I found this interview interesting:

Brian Lamb: : By the way, why did your father not give you any of his inheritance?

Governor Mitt Romney: Well, he didn’t have as much as I think some people anticipated. And I did get a check from my dad when he passed away. I shouldn’t say a check, but I did inherit some funds from my dad. But I turned and gave that away to charity. In this case I gave it to a school which Brigham Young University established in his honor, the George W. Romney School of Public Management. And as an institute of public management, it helps young people learn about government and about serving in public service. And that’s where his inheritance ended up.

Posted by: JohnQC || 01/18/2012 17:53 Comments || Top||

#5  A point about negotiating with Taliban.

Start from the point of view of negotiating their *surrender*.

This points out that the Taliban are not a nation, nor even really an organization, just a muddled group of primitives who banded together to rule over the chaos that was Afghanistan after the Russians left.

They could not surrender, because they have no real leader, nor will the vast majority follow any leader in any direction. Barbarians in a league of convenience.

It also means that they cannot negotiate a peace, or even a cease fire.

Add to that what passes for government in Afghanistan right now is little better than the Taliban, organizationally. The US could have given them a far better form of government, one that could have improved over time into a real government, like Iraq, for better or worse, but we chose not to.

Years ago, Pakistan under Perv even offered to construct a "soft wall" between Pakistan and Afghanistan, and Karzai rejected it outright, likely because he is dependent on the support of the Pushtun whose tribes cross over the border frequently.

This means that all we can do is kill some of the Taliban that cross over the border, and drone zap some of their what passes for leaders, in Pakistan. Which achieves bupkus.

Our best hope is that Perv returns to rule over another military coup, and uses the military to smite the Taliban for good, or at least enough so that their survivors are effectively neutered.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 01/18/2012 18:23 Comments || Top||

#6  FYI TOPIX > NATO: TALIBAN CHIEF [Mullah Omar] HAS LOST [all] CONTROL OF INSURGENTS, as based on MO's seeming lack of criticism agz Taliban on latest attacks which targeted andor killed local Civilians as well as Security troops instead of the US-NATO as demanded or ordered by MO.

IMO, iff NATO is correct, IMO unless a truly major or decisive victory is won by the US-NATO agz the Taliban the US-NATO may have to delay their scheduled Afghan pullout. OMAR LOSING CONTROL OF THE TALIBAN FACTIONS + ALIGNED IS ACTUALLY BAD NEWS FOR THE US-NATO + KABUL + ISLAMABAD.

versus

* SAME > MULLAH OMAR: US PUSH FOR TALKS HERALDS TALIBAN VICTORY/SIGNALS [US-NATO] DEFEAT.

* SAME > TALIBAN DECLARE VICTORY, AS FIGHTING GOES ON.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 01/18/2012 23:46 Comments || Top||



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