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North Korea taken off US terror list
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Good morning
Posted by: Fred || 10/11/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [10794 views] Top|| File under:

#1  the lack of comments is particularly telling.....

Back to the Gibson Girls, Fred
Posted by: Squinty Slalet5579 || 10/11/2008 18:31 Comments || Top||

#2  At least I actually remember Dorothy....
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 10/11/2008 19:05 Comments || Top||

#3  nice neck, member of the Assad family?
Posted by: Frank G || 10/11/2008 19:07 Comments || Top||

#4  No, that would be the Eberhard Faber family...
Posted by: Jush McGurque9135 || 10/11/2008 21:31 Comments || Top||

#5  #2 in the ascension?
Posted by: Frank G || 10/11/2008 22:03 Comments || Top||

North Korea taken off US terror list
Washington is to remove North Korea from its list of countries sponsoring terrorism, US officials have confirmed.
Thereby demonstrating the uselessness of the list. Oh, do carry on, the show is predictable but amusing ...
US State Department officials made the announcement after reaching an agreement with Pyongyang over nuclear verification measures. "Every element of verification that we sought has been included in this agreement," an official said.
That'll fool the rubes but it won't fool those who've been paying attention ...
The US listing has been a major factor in the deadlock over North Korea's nuclear disarmament.

The State Department spokesman also said that North Korea would resume its disablement of nuclear facilities.
Sure they will, until they need more food and oil ...
The move follows days of deliberations within the US administration after a visit to Pyongyang last week by US envoy Christopher Hill.

Analysts say the deal will be unpopular with some conservative Republicans.
It should be unpopular with all Americans, but the Dhimmicrats will crow and say that Bush was wrong and Clinton was right. And Obama, if he wins the election, will use this as a stepping stone to 'direct talks' 'without preconditions', and give the poofy-hair midget (assuming he's still alive) what he wants most: attention.
North Korea began disabling its Yongbyon nuclear reactor in August, but more recently it has made moves to reassemble the plant after Washington refused to remove it from the terror sponsors' list. In other provocative steps, it expelled UN inspectors and test-fired short-range missiles, heightening tensions with the US.

Correspondents say that Pyongyang wants to come off the US list in order to receive international aid and loans, and as a step towards its diplomatic rehabilitation.
Note that the correspondents don't mention what the Norks will do to rehabilitate themselves, since the subject never came up ...
Posted by: john frum || 10/11/2008 11:28 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [10809 views] Top|| File under:

#1  You've got to be sh*tting me.
Posted by: Classical_Liberal || 10/11/2008 11:42 Comments || Top||

#2  As areward for reneging on the nuke deal and barring inspectors from their facilities, no doubt..... words just fail me.
Posted by: Albert Spons8330 || 10/11/2008 12:11 Comments || Top||

#3  This actually doesn't bother me. The Norks are lunatics, but they're not sponsors of terrorism.
Posted by: Fred || 10/11/2008 12:30 Comments || Top||

#4  Thanks Condi you sellout to State, and you too Jorge.
Posted by: OldSpook || 10/11/2008 12:30 Comments || Top||

#5  Absolutely sad and ridiculous.
Posted by: Hellfish || 10/11/2008 12:45 Comments || Top||

#6  We shall dance deh MenUete
Posted by: .5MT || 10/11/2008 13:01 Comments || Top||

#7  One wonders what Bush's mental state is.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 10/11/2008 13:03 Comments || Top||

#8  So, the USA WILL cave to bluster and blackmail.
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 10/11/2008 13:20 Comments || Top||

#9  My guess is Bush is about ready to dance a jig because his watch is nearly over. Then he can turn the whole mess over to somebody else.
Posted by: Abu Uluque || 10/11/2008 13:22 Comments || Top||

#10  We discussed the NORKS and bailing out a murderous regime for years, ever since the start of Rantburg. To me, this shows the moral bankruptcy of the executive, especially State. This goes against everything the US stands for. If it was not for US aid, along with others, the NORK regime would be in the dustbin of history, and the world could come to the aid of the North Korean people. Now, we have succeeded in propping up a murderous, inhumane regime at the expense of the people.

Way to go, govt a$$holes. And thank you, Christopher Hill, for your great work in propping up a regime that goes against every principle we hold dear here in the US.

A pox upon your houses.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 10/11/2008 13:52 Comments || Top||

#11  Re: #10: "What he said!"
Posted by: borgboy || 10/11/2008 13:59 Comments || Top||

#12  Re: #11, "what he said!"
Posted by: Muggsy Glink || 10/11/2008 14:23 Comments || Top||

#13  You nailed it AP! 100% agree!
Posted by: CrazyFool || 10/11/2008 14:34 Comments || Top||

#14  This actually doesn't bother me. The Norks are lunatics, but they're not sponsors of terrorism.

Care to elaborate, Fred? I've always been under the impression that the Norks, while not as directly involved in terrrorism support as the Iranians et al, provide important technical services in furtherance of terrorist groups' and sponsors' longer term plans.
Posted by: Ricky bin Ricardo (Abu Babaloo) || 10/11/2008 16:24 Comments || Top||

#15  Too bad that tourist season of 2008 is already ruined
Posted by: European Conservative || 10/11/2008 16:42 Comments || Top||

#16  Every stinkin' day I come a little closer to becoming a Libertarian.
Posted by: Darrell || 10/11/2008 16:48 Comments || Top||

#17  I posted a few days ago about how we were selling 1/2 our weapons stockpile in SKor to the SKors in return for them helping us move the other half to ships.

Why would our troops sit in South Korea with no ammo? Ergo we are leaving soon.
Posted by: 3dc || 10/11/2008 18:08 Comments || Top||

#18  May as well take Cuba off the list too. They haven't done anything near as bad as NKor for the last 30 years.
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 10/11/2008 20:26 Comments || Top||

#19  What AP said
Posted by: Red Dawg || 10/11/2008 21:44 Comments || Top||

#20  This actually doesn't bother me. The Norks are lunatics, but they're not sponsors of terrorism.

Didn't they supply the reactor the Israelli's blew to hell way out in the (Syrian?) desert?
You know the one that nobody knew about until the israeli planes made it go BOOM-BOOM.
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 10/11/2008 22:43 Comments || Top||

Taliban kidnap Swat naib nazim
Dozens of armed men abducted the naib nazim of Swat district late on Thursday night in Sangota area of Babuzi tehsil. Malik Siddique Ahmed, who belongs to the Pakistan Muslim League-Quaid, was abducted by around 70 gunmen who raided his hujra (guest house) around midnight, his family said. No one has accepted responsibility for the abduction so far.

Meanwhile, the Taliban blew up two girls' schools in Ali Grama and Sirsenai areas of Kabal tehsil on Friday, however, no casualties were reported. The Taliban also shot dead a person, identified as Hadayat Shah, in Salanda area of Charbagh tehsil. The killed person was the personal secretary to Member of the National Assembly Syed Alauddin.

Separately, security forces shelled suspected Taliban hideouts in Malam Jabba. Five members of the Taliban were killed in the attack, reports said.
Posted by: Fred || 10/11/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [10799 views] Top|| File under: TTP

#1  Okay... nobody posted so I have to ask...
What is a "naib nazim"?
Posted by: 3dc || 10/11/2008 20:44 Comments || Top||

#2  "a guy we know"
Posted by: Frank G || 10/11/2008 20:57 Comments || Top||

#3  Naib Nazim basically translates to deputy mayor.
Posted by: Jim || 10/11/2008 21:48 Comments || Top||

#4  I like mine better although it may be less accurate
Posted by: Frank G || 10/11/2008 22:06 Comments || Top||

Taliban blow up ANP leader's house in Dir
Unknown militants blew up a guesthouse owned by Awami National Party (ANP) Information Secretary Zahid Khan in the Haji Abad area of Lower Dir district late on Friday.

Local residents told Daily Times that between 10 and 15 armed men stormed the guesthouse around 2am on Friday, forced a guard out of the building and blew it up with explosives. No causalities were reported, as the guesthouse was empty at the time.

Later, Zahid Khan told Daily Times that the attack was the continuation of what happened with ANP leaders in Swat and Charsadda, adding that elements who wanted to destroy the party were behind the attack. The government has increased security in the area after the incident.

Taliban have been attacking and destroying residential and commercial properties of ANP leaders in Swat and other areas of the North West Frontier Province where they operate. ANP chief Asfandyar Wali Khan survived an attempt on his life when a suicide attacker blew himself up at house on October 2, killing four people.
Posted by: Fred || 10/11/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [10794 views] Top|| File under: TTP

Taliban behead four elders in Bajaur
Taliban beheaded four elders from the Charmang tribe on Friday after they had attended a pro-government jirga in the insurgency-hit region of Bajaur, officials said on Friday. Assistant Political Agent Muhammad Jamil said the Taliban kidnapped the four -- Malik Dastan, Malik Jamaldar Khan, Malik Aman Gul and Malik Sana Gul -- when they were returning home after attending a jirga convened to plan action against the Taliban. "We found the bodies of elders at a dry canal near the Kotki area of Khar."
Posted by: Fred || 10/11/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [10796 views] Top|| File under: TTP

40 killed in attack on Orakzai jirga
Continues yesterday's story: Raises death count, wounded, adds detail...
At least 40 people were killed, while around 90 were wounded when a suicide bomber in an explosives-laden vehicle targeted an anti-Taliban jirga on Friday in Orakzai Agency. The attack occurred in the Khadezai area of Upper Orakzai Agency where a jirga of the Ali Khel tribe was in progress, witnesses and tribal elders told Daily Times.

A witness said at least 32 people died on the spot, while more than 40 were injured in the attack, which left an eight-foot deep crater in the ground.

A local tribesman Taj Mohammad, who was injured in the blast, said a double cabin pickup 'hit the participants of the jirga', held after Friday prayers. He said the jirga had earlier destroyed two Taliban hideouts and fined four Taliban Rs 200,000 each.

The tribesmen, backed by authorities, were trying to raise tribal militias in Orakzai to drive out Taliban and Al Qaeda from the area, when the bomber struck.

"We were busy in raising a lashkar to evict Taliban from the region when this attack took place," Qeemat Khan Orakzai, a jirga member told Reuters.

Kamran Zeb, a top government official in Orakzai, told Reuters "The lashkar had taken a decision to destroy militants' headquarters in the region. Shortly afterwards, this attack took place."

The blast occurred about 10 kilometeres from the Ghaluj tehsil, and hospital sources in Gahluj hospital said 25 dead bodies and 70 injured had been brought to the hospital. Locals said they faced shortage of blood and ambulances and the injured were being shifted to Hangu in vans.

Hangu District Nazim Haji Afzal was supervising the relief activities in the district.

Ealier, local tribesmen destroyed three Taliban hideouts, including the houses of two Taliban commanders in the Dabori area of the agency.

The jirga, which had started its anti-Taliban operation in Dabori was to continue it in Khadezai on Friday.

President Asif Ali Zardari and Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani condemned the suicide attack. Zardari said the terrorists were bent upon destroying peace, and such attacks would not deter the government's resolve to root out terrorism. Gilani said the government was determined to clamp down on terrorists with an iron hand.
Posted by: Fred || 10/11/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [10794 views] Top|| File under: TTP

Indian Mujaheddin's media cell did five recons
Four suspects of the Indian Mujahideen arrested in connection with terror e-mails did recces in July in the 10 days before the Ahmedabad blasts on July 26, Joint Commissioner (Crime), Mumbai, Rakesh Maria, told journalists here on Friday.

The media cell provided funds for laptops, desktops, and wireless routers. The money allegedly came from the key suspect Roshan Khan alias Riaz Bhatkal. Bhatkal had also allegedly given Rs.70,000 for training in hacking. The suspects had kept little margin of error in their operation.

Detailing the modus operandi of the e-mail senders, Mr. Maria said that two of the four persons would stand outside the cars, covering the number plates, while Peerbhoy sent the mails. They even carried an additional laptop as a backup while sending the e-mails.

Mr. Maria said Peerbhoy had joined an Arabic class in 2004 to understand the Koran better. He was not a regular as he worked as a software engineer at multinational Yahoo India, earning Rs. 19 lakh a year. He visited the U.S. twice on work.

At the Arabic class, he met Asif Shaikh, a scout. Through him Peerbhoy came to know Bhatkal and his group. His indoctrination started in 2006. In 2007, when it was felt that he was ready, he was sent for training in hacking to Hyderabad and in explosives to Bhatkal, in Karnataka.

Mr. Maria said Peerbhoy's laptop, which is in police custody, had rough drafts of the e-mail.

The explosives' trail
Explosives used in the Ahmedabad, Surat and Hyderabad blasts travelled all the way from Karnataka to the blast sites. Syed Mohamed Noushad, one of the suspects arrested in connection with the terror attacks, could be the link to this part of the operations.

"All the people arrested from Mangalore were close to Riaz because he was in Mangalore," said Mr. Maria. Ten suspects were arrested from Mangalore on October 5.

A resident of Subhash Nagar, Noushad was close to Riaz Bhatkal from whom he got explosives. They were collected at railway stations in Mangalore and transported to Pune, Ahmedabad, Surat, and Hyderabad. A person, with an identification code, was designated to meet Noushad at pick-up points and take the explosives.

The four explosive-laden cars used in Ahmedabad and Surat were Compressed Natural Gas fuelled. The suspects added four more cylinders to them to increase the impact of the explosion, he said.
Posted by: Fred || 10/11/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [10794 views] Top|| File under: Indian Mujahideen

Turkey: Kurdish militants killed in new air raids, claims military
(AKI) - Turkish warplanes and artillery units killed a number of Kurdish separatists in a fresh wave of military action on Thursday.

Military spokesman Gen. Metin Gurak told Turkish media that the operation took place late Thursday against members of the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK). But he did not give any specific location or an estimate of how many terrorist suspects had been killed.

Turkey has pledged to destroy rebel strongholds following the killing of 17 Turkish soldiers in a raid near the Iraqi border last Friday. Turkey responded with several days of air strikes in Iraqi territory. A fresh attack on Wednesday killed five police officers and wounded 19 others on the outskirts of Diyarbakir in the southeast.

The Turkish Parliament on Wednesday approved a government request to extend for another year a mandate to launch military operations against suspected PKK militants in northern Iraq.

Gurak said members of the group were detected through surveillance and most of its members had been killed in the attack along the rugged Iraqi border.
Posted by: Fred || 10/11/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [10795 views] Top|| File under:

Baghdad car bomb kills 12
At least 12 people were killed and 26 others wounded yesterday when a car bomb struck a crowded market in the southern Baghdad neighbourhood of Dora, police said. Women and children were among the dead in the attack that also destroyed nearly a dozen shops in the Abu Dshir market, a police officer told AFP, adding that several bodies were burnt beyond recognition.

The bombing followed an earlier blast in the same primarily Sunni Baghdad district of Dora where a booby trapped bomb exploded near a minibus, an interior ministry official said on condition of anonymity. A civilian was killed and a dozen people were wounded in the attack which occured shortly after an American patrol had passed by, the official said.
Posted by: Fred || 10/11/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [10794 views] Top|| File under: Islamic State of Iraq

The Advisor October 2008
Very interesting and informative publication put out by the Multi-National Security Transition Command — Iraq Public Affairs Office.
Posted by: Abu do you love || 10/11/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [10794 views] Top|| File under:

Journalist in Kirkuk killed
KIRKUK / Aswat al-Iraq: Unidentified gunmen shot down a journalist in the city of Kirkuk on Friday evening, a security official said. “The gunmen opened fire at journalist Dayyar Abbas off the Kirkuk Association of Artists in central Kirkuk, leaving him severely wounded. He died on his way to the hospital,” Brig. Sarhad Qader, the Kirkuk districts’ police chief, told Aswat al-Iraq.

“Abbas was a correspondent for al-Ain news agency in Kirkuk,” said Qader, adding the incident is being investigated. Al-Ain is an independent Iraq media corporation.

Several months ago, unidentified gunmen had shot down Kurdish journalist Soran Mama Hama in front of his house in Kirkuk. Hama was in charge of the Kirkuk office of the of Lafin, an independent Kurdish-language political magazine.
Posted by: Steve White || 10/11/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [10797 views] Top|| File under:

Iraqi Christian families flee Mosul death threats
BAGHDAD - Some forty Christian families have fled the northern Iraqi city of Mosul on Friday, bringing the number of Christian families who fled the city over the past three days to 295, a press spokesman for a political party with links to the Iraqi Christian community in Nineveh province has said. "Due to death theats by insurgents some 295 Christian families fled the city to areas around the city," a spokesman for the Assyrian Democratic Movement told the Voices of Iraq (VOI) news agency.

The source said that the living conditions for the families were very poor, and many lacked basic health services.

Earlier a security source said that some 25 families fled Mosul on Wednesday followed by 50 families on Thursday for the fear of being targeted by armed groups. According to Khaled Abdel-Sattar, a spokesman for Iraqi security forces in the area, five Christians have been killed in the past few days.

Iraqi Christians are one of the oldest Christian communities in the world. Large parts of the Iraqi Christian community emigrated to Syria and Jordan following the US-led invasion. Christian groups have also recently protested the removal of article 50 of the provincial elections law, which passed through the Iraqi parliament last week. The article had guaranteed Christians certain rights of representation in local assemblies.
Posted by: Steve White || 10/11/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [10794 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Surprise metter?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/11/2008 7:24 Comments || Top||

#2  Before this is over we'll all be apologizing to Saddam.
Posted by: Besoeker || 10/11/2008 7:33 Comments || Top||

#3  [online poker has been pooplisted.]
Posted by: online poker || 10/11/2008 7:35 Comments || Top||

#4  The religion of peace strikes again!!!!
Posted by: Paul || 10/11/2008 9:12 Comments || Top||

Two Palestinians killed in blast in Gaza smuggling tunnel
Police and hospital officials say two Palestinians have been killed in an explosion in a smuggling tunnel under the Gaza-Egypt border.

Police said Saturday that two others are still missing. Officials say the blast went off Friday when a gas canister blew up.
Yep, sure
Hey, you have to watch those gas canisters. The valves can be leaky. Sometimes you knock the end off of one at which point you have a torpedo. And Mahmoud hasn't yet learned that you can't smoke around them. All sorts of possibilities ...
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/11/2008 07:28 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [10800 views] Top|| File under:

#1  So milk is transported in gas containers?
Posted by: Bob || 10/11/2008 21:47 Comments || Top||

PA forces uncover large explosives lab in Hebron
Palestinian general intelligence forces have uncovered a very large bomb-making laboratory in the center of the West Bank city of Hebron, the Palestinian news agency Ma'an reported Friday. In the lab, Palestinian authorities found a variety of explosives, Ma'an reported. The discovery of the explosives lab followed the arrest of members of several terror cells, apparently linked to Hamas.

The Palestinian police said that after conducting close surveillance on suspicious movements by several residents, 11 suspects had been arrested.

Ramadan Awad, the chief of the Palestinian Authority police in Hebron, said that a recent police raid revealed that the Hamas-linked terror cell was manufacturing and storing large amounts of explosive materials in a rented residence in the area.

Awad said more than 100 kg (220 lbs) of explosives were seized along with ammunition and homemade firearms. "The factory was preparing bombs which would have been used against us and against the will of the Palestinians," he told Reuters.

A Hamas official in Hebron said the targeted building had no links to the Islamic faction.
"No, no, certainly not!"
Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas has also deployed Palestinian security forces in other major West Bank cities like Nablus and Jenin as part of a law-and-order in the West Bank since he broke with Hamas over its seizure of the Gaza Strip last year and revived peacemaking with Israel.
Posted by: Fred || 10/11/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [10793 views] Top|| File under: Hamas

#1  Thransfer the explosives to Fatah bomb lab?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/11/2008 7:36 Comments || Top||

Jewish-Arab clashes hit Israeli town
Police clashed with Jewish protesters in Acre yesterday as Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni travelled to the northern Israeli city to appeal for calm after two days of clashes between Arab and Jews.
The danger you run when you rely on a policy of "all intifada all the time" is that the Hated Zionists™ have limits to their patience and are quite as capable as Arabs -- probably moreso -- in carrying out their own intifada. I'm not in favor of a base policy of mindless violence, which is why I spend lotsa time viewing the Paleostinians with contempt. On the other hand, I did a quick count many years ago to determine the number of cheeks I have available to turn. Most people have roughly the same number.
Police fired a water cannon at the crowd of about 200 people as some demonstrators hurled bottles and stones at security forces. Chanting "death to Arabs," the protesters were headed from a predominantly Jewish neighbourhood to the house of an Arab when police intervened.

The incident took place just hours after Livni, who is trying to form a new government and replace outgoing Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, travelled to Acre, where she issued what she said was "a message of reconciliation and cooperation to calm tempers within the population."

Police deployed an additional 500 officers to help the 200-strong local force after violence broke out on Wednesday night as Jews observed Yom Kippur, or Day of Atonement. "We have also raised our level of alert throughout the country so that similar incidents do not occur again in Acre, or elsewhere," police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld told AFP.

Israeli President Shimon Peres also appealed for calm. "Jews and Arabs must stop immediately this violence which will not benefit anyone," he said in a statement.
"And hollering 'Death to the Great Beelzebub' just sounds dumb."
Two protesters and a police officer have been lightly wounded. Twelve people -- Arabs and Jews -- have been arrested since the first clashes broke out, Rosenfeld said. About 100 cars and 40 stores were damaged by Arab demonstrators, he said.

Rosenfeld said the initial unrest erupted when an Arab motorist drove into a neighbourhood where Arabs and Jews live, playing his car stereo loudly. A group of Jewish youths assaulted the driver, accusing him of deliberately making noise and disrupting the sanctity of Yom Kippur, when most Jews in Israel observe a religious ban on driving. "Rumours then spread out, namely from mosques, claiming that the motorist had been killed, prompting several hundred Arabs to take to the streets," Rosenfeld said.

Clashes started again on Thursday, when rioters from both sides hurled rocks at each other and the police used tear gas to disperse them, media reported. Football matches planned for the weekend were cancelled as was an annual theatre festival that was to be held next week and which usually draws thousands of visitors to the Mediterranean coastal city, media reported.
Posted by: Fred || 10/11/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [10797 views] Top|| File under:

#1  They are bringing us down to their level.
Posted by: Penguin || 10/11/2008 0:52 Comments || Top||

#2  Yet, any violence by the joooooooooos will be seen by the "international community" (read : the western Enlightened Elites and their mass-media indoctrination tools) as much more damning than the basest acts from the paleos. And, the joooooooish Enlightened Elites themselves will stomp down hard on it. No prisoner exchanges for any coming jailed israeli domestic Freedom Fighter.
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 10/11/2008 2:51 Comments || Top||

#3  Sounds like the situation in another country I know, anon5089.
Posted by: lotp || 10/11/2008 5:32 Comments || Top||

#4  Sounds like a global pattern all around the western world.
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 10/11/2008 6:03 Comments || Top||

#5  So, the Israelis can muster a quick and harsh response to a Jewish riot, but is strangely absent (or solicitous) in the face of a palestinian one?

The points of establishing governments, police forces, armies, and courts of Law, is to prevent the root causes of these riots. If one side is allowed to steal, destroy, maim and murder in violation of law, without response, while the victims, when they respond in kind, meet with the kind of response that the first group deserved, then those "forces of righteousness" cease to be legitimate. THAT is the essence of the Declaration of Independence.

I have been coming to a realization that the Declaration of Independence is, at core, a Jihadist document in the core sense of the term.

Hear me out for a moment. Jihad is God directed and God authorized armed conflict. "Thou Shalt not Murder" is suspended. Permission is granted to act militarily and violently to restore the situation to a God-approved state.

Of course, the problem is "which God?" However, the Declaration defines the God who authorizes Jihad, and sets the parameters: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

Thus, do I approve of this riot that was intended to kill an arab? No.

Do I approve of a future riot that would assault those government officials who refuse to carry out their duties impartially and efficiently, with an aim to force them to do their damn jobs to secure their citizen's safety and happiness?

You betcha!

Right action. Wrong target.
Posted by: Ptah || 10/11/2008 6:42 Comments || Top||

#6  arg. I forgot my key point in the preceeding comment.

Given that our rights come from God and unalienable, any violation or usurpation of them is not to be tolerated. We establish governments to ensure that responses to those violations and usurpations are justly administered, and do not, as a side effect, violate the rights of the uninvolved. Deliberate Failure to act is to effectively act through proxies: that is the essence of the Declaration's claim that British inaction against (and thus encouragement of) Indian incursions was effectively action against the colonies.

The American people of that day were very religious, and thus had bought into the "divine right of kings" swill that was being propagated to maintain the system. The intent of such swill was to convince them that God did not give them permission to rebel against the King, who was appointed by Divine mandate. By the appeal to the Creator, Jefferson and the signers were arguing that God gave them permission to rebel against a corrupt and vicious government, but only with the aim of establishing a new one that would honor God-granted unalienable rights.

One third was not convinced, and remained loyal to the King.

One third decided not to decide so sat the war out.

One third bought into the argument, and acted accordingly.

That was enough.
Posted by: Ptah || 10/11/2008 6:52 Comments || Top||

#7  Everything Ptah said, except that jihad has certain and particularly defined parameters of Islam, and the conceptualization of "God" from their perspective, which is akin to Baal. The first Americans were operating from a sold Judeo-Christian foundation and worldview. So the fundamentals actually are different, but I find it interesting that Ptah upholds those very Judeo-Christian principles in resistance to Baal and jihad.
Posted by: ex-lib || 10/11/2008 11:20 Comments || Top||

#8  "Reconciliation and cooperation" eh?

That's worked so well with Arabs in the past, hasn't it?

Force is all they understand. If Arabs start trouble, shoot them down in the street. Expel the survivors and all relatives to Gaza after government seizure of all assets. They'll get the message.

More important, Israeli government, is that YOU get the message. That message is that THE ARABS HATE YOU AND WANT ALL OF YOU DEAD OR ENSLAVED. Your Jewish population is going to have to work together to just stay alive. Turning on them to protect Arabs is absolutely insane. It won't take much of that to dishearten your friends, embolden your enemies, and seriously diminish your already damaged chance of long-term survival.
Posted by: Jolutch Mussolini7800 || 10/11/2008 11:22 Comments || Top||

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Rajapaksa asks LTTE cadres to surrender
Sri Lankan President Mahinda Rajapaksa has said the current phase of war would mark the end of the LTTE's battle for a separate State and counselled the Tiger cadre to surrender. Meanwhile, the troops claimed further advances into the last strongholds of the LTTE-held territory in the north.

In an interview to Al Jazeera television channel, Mr. Rajapaksa claimed, "LTTE cadres are willing to surrender to the security forces and many have done so."

He argued that successive governments had tried in vain to persuade the LTTE to negotiate a political solution, and that under the circumstances, the government could not offer anything more to the terrorist group.

Mr. Rajapaksa said he believed in a political solution and was confident that this would be best addressed after defeating the terrorists militarily.

Meanwhile, the Air Force bombed several "identified" LTTE locations in the Kilinochchi district. Air Force spokesperson Janaka Nanayakkara said jets launched four strikes targeting three "vital encampments of LTTE". He said all three targets were effectively engaged.

In a statement posted on its website, the LTTE alleged that two civilians including a schoolteacher were killed and seven wounded in an air strike. The military claimed that battlefield reports indicated 29 deaths to the LTTE cadre on the Jaffna, Kilinochchi, Vavuniya and Mullathivu fronts.
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47 rebels, three soldiers killed in Lanka clashes
(PTI) At least 47 LTTE cadres and three soldiers were killed in fierce clashes in Sri Lanka's restive northern region, where fighter jets pounded key rebel bases in a series of raids today.

Fighter jets launched four strikes targeting three vital encampments of the LTTE in the rebel stronghold of Kilinochchi, the Air Force said.

The first raid targeted an LTTE communications centre located three kms northeast of Paranthan, Air Force spokesperson Wing Commander Janaka Nanayakkara said. Another two air raids were carried out to target an LTTE leader's hideout located two kms northeast of Kilinochchi, he said. The fourth air strike targeted a den of LTTE suicide bombers, also known as Black Tigers, located 1.5 kms west of Paranthan. Nanayakkara said all three targets were effectively engaged.

In ground clashes, troops operating in Akkarayankulam area in Kilinochchi attacked three LTTE bunkers, killing 14 rebels, officials said.

Another two Tamil Tigers were killed when troops attacked a group of rebels elsewhere in the region, the Defence Ministry said.

Four rebels were gunned down by security forces operating in the west of Mankulam area in Kilinochchi after detecting the guerrillas in Pannikkulama, it said.

Troops killed three LTTE cadres in Vannerikulam area, the Defence Ministry said, adding three soldiers also injured in the mortar fire.
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House Cleaning in Damascus over International Tribunal ?
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