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'Recreational Violence' in UK as well as in France
Read. Ponder.
Posted by: lotp || 11/13/2005 08:25 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [267 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I'm starting to think that maybe the solution to arsonists in these areas is to simply let the fires burn themslves out. And then if the rioters neighborhood burns to the ground tough
Posted by: Cheaderhead || 11/13/2005 10:21 Comments || Top||

#2  I think you've got a point, if they don't respec authority, withdraw it, including welfare, Fire Department, Police protection, Lights and Power.

Get the non-rioters out, fence off the area, make pillboxes with cleared fields of fire, and allow surrender at the checkpoints (One way only, out, and to jail)

Bet the "Insurrection" comes to a screeching halt.
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 11/13/2005 11:00 Comments || Top||

#3  'It may be tempting, like Nicolas Sarkozy, the French Interior Minister, to dismiss the attackers as "rabble" or "scum". But it does little to dow se the flames. Better, surely, to find out what started the fire in the first place.'

Wrong. First you put out the fire, then, when the ashes have cooled, you do make your inspection of the causes of the conflagration, or perform the post mortem.

Ask any police officer. If they see an armed man thrashing about trying to do others harm, you do not first try to determine what is his underlying psychological angst. You cool his jets, and *then* try to figure out what is going on. Common sense.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 11/13/2005 11:13 Comments || Top||

#4  Set those who are arrested and convicted of such behaviour into chain ganged clean-up crews, instead of sitting comfortably in prison. And make sure it's in the neighborhood they live in, so their mates can point and laugh. Shame is a powerful motivator, along with, "I worked my tail off to make it nice, don't you dare mess it up!" Then set them to making and planting nice window boxes for the neighborhood. It turns out there is a windowbox effect that's as powerful as the broken window effect. The latter deters crime, and the former sets off a current of pride in a neighborhood, which has powerful follow-on effects.

And then cut off or significantly reduce welfare payments to these able-bodied young men.
Posted by: trailing wife || 11/13/2005 11:31 Comments || Top||

#5  #4: Set those who are arrested and convicted of such behaviour into chain ganged clean-up crews, instead of sitting comfortably in prison. And make sure it's in the neighborhood they live in, so their mates can point and laugh.

Secondary benefit, the chain-ganged and laughed at "Youths" will rat on their free-but-guilty friends doing the laughing.
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 11/13/2005 11:38 Comments || Top||

#6  'It may be tempting, like Nicolas Sarkozy, the "French Interior Minister, to dismiss the attackers as "rabble" or "scum". But it does little to dowse the flames. Better, surely, to find out what started the fire in the first place."

What started it in the first place is that in their hearts the French believe they deserve it. The "disenfranchisized" youts are like cats with wounded mice; they prey on weakness. Guilt is crippling France.
Posted by: jules 2 || 11/13/2005 12:32 Comments || Top||

#7  'Recreational Violence' in UK as well as in France

Ain't nuthin' that a little "recreational shooting" couldn't cure.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 11/13/2005 13:08 Comments || Top||

#8  Cheaderhead---good point. Chiraq wants to throw someone else's money at the problem. Everyone is a victim. I heard the BBC's reporters spouting that meme that I cannot stand it anymore. We must get back to personal responsibility, i.e, the Rantburg Equation:
Actions--->Consequences. Do not rebuild the zones burned. If they want their enclave, give it to them sans water, sewer, electricity, fire service, etc. Put the monkey on the back of these so called Imams. Hey, you wanna be King Sh*t? Here is the chance of a lifetime. All the rights and responsibilities of office. Have a ball.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 11/13/2005 15:25 Comments || Top||

#9  I've mentioned this before, but here goes again:

When any festivities start, cordon off the area and bring in fire trucks with water cannons. Fill the tankers with a special UV dye and hose down the crowd. Video tape the proceedings to identify any front line instigators.

Use UV wands to sort out all of the tagged suspects as they attempt to exit the cordon and detain or prosecute them according to the video evidence. Britain is famous for being the land of public video cameras. I believe they already use the UV dye method in East Asia. This one should be a no-brainer.
Posted by: Zenster || 11/13/2005 15:55 Comments || Top||

Al-Qaeda calls Queen an ‘enemy of Islam’
Al-Qaeda has threatened the Queen by naming her as “one of the severest enemies of Islam” in a video message to justify the July bombings in London. The warning has been passed by MI5 to the Queen’s protection team after it obtained the unexpurgated version of a video issued by Al-Qaeda after the 7/7 attacks. Parts of it were broadcast on Al-Jazeera, the Arabic satellite channel. In the video, Ayman al-Zawahiri, second-in-command to Osama Bin Laden, targets the Queen as ultimately responsible for Britain’s “crusader laws” and denounces her as an enemy of Muslims.

A senior Whitehall official said: “MI5 is aware that there are some pieces of that video that have not been aired. They are aware of the bit of al- Zawahiri talking about the Queen and they have notified the relevant authorities.” The Sunday Times has obtained the full 27-minute video, which is circulating on secure jihadist websites in the Middle East used to recruit and inflame prospective terrorists. In Britain it has been posted by Muhammad al-Massari, the London-based Saudi extremist, on his website Tajdeed.

It also contains inflammatory material from Mohammad Sidique Khan, ringleader of the London bombings which killed 52 commuters. He is urging Muslims to take part in jihad and seek martyrdom. Khan, 30, incites British Muslims to ignore the moderate Islamic leaders who want integration with British society. “Our so-called scholars of today,” he said, “are content with their Toyotas and semi-detached houses” in their desire for integration. The message is believed to be the first of its kind in which a British suicide bomber calls on fellow UK Muslims to follow his example.

The attack by al-Zawahiri prompted intelligence officers to alert Buckingham Palace that the Queen had become a specific target of Al-Qaeda. Her security had already been upgraded after September 11, 2001. In the video al-Zawahiri not only labels the Queen as one of Islam’s “severest enemies” but also sends a warning shot to British Islamic leaders who “work for the pleasure of Elizabeth, the head of the Church of England”. He said those who followed her were saying: “We are British citizens, subject to Britain’s crusader laws, and we are proud of our submission . . . to Elizabeth, head of the Church of England.” In a possible reference to the role of the Muslim Council of Britain, which had issued instructions to mosques to inform on potential terrorists, he criticised “those who issue fatwas, according to the school of thought of the head of the Church of England”.

In the previously unseen footage, Khan, from Dewsbury in West Yorkshire, said: “It is very clear, brothers and sisters, that the path of jihad and the desire for martyrdom is embedded in the holy prophet and his beloved companions. By preparing ourselves for this kind of work, we are guaranteeing ourselves for paradise and gaining the pleasure of Allah. And by turning our back on this work, we are guaranteeing ourselves humiliation and the anger of Allah. Jihad is an obligation on every single one of us, men and women.”

Khan’s message was condemned by Sir Iqbal Sacranie, the Muslim Council’s secretary-general, as a “perverse interpretation of Islam”. “The victims of Sidique Khan were innocent people . . . It’s clearly inciteful. It’s trying to incite people to commit murder,” he said.
It looks like the Islamists, Ayman in particular, are confusing Liz' symbolic position with something of substance. I'd consider the Church of England to be one of the lesser challenges al-Qaeda is facing, since it's essentially a rudderless organization of no real import. Gone are the days when church membership and attendance were required. Equally gone are the days when Anglican churchmen constituted an intellectual force.

The Queen is actually pretty symbolic of the church: pretty old, mostly out of touch but inoffensive to most. She's really no Richard the Lionhearted, any more than the current Archdruid of Canterbury resembles Thomas Cranmer. The Lions of Islam™, of course, would consider the Queen a most desirable target, since she's unlikely to be packing heat. The Brits, on the other hand, despite the widespread rolling of the eyes at the royal family, might take her assassination personally. The Muslims might want to read up one what Edward I did to the Jews.
Posted by: lotp || 11/13/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [293 views] Top|| File under:

#1  From a post a few weeks ago... isn't there some direct decent from Mohammad in their bloodline from the Spainish side of the family.
Seems Allan might not want his decendent called an enemy.
Posted by: 3dc || 11/13/2005 0:38 Comments || Top||

#2  It's the corgi factor. Corgis are Enemies of Islam™. Ev'rybody knows that.
Posted by: Seafarious || 11/13/2005 0:42 Comments || Top||

#3  Al-Qaeda calls Queen an ‘enemy of Islam’

Fatwa Bottom Girls
You make the rockin'
world go 'round
Posted by: Freddy Mercury || 11/13/2005 1:43 Comments || Top||

#4  Most muslims know that the Queen is alleged to be a direct descent of Kind David of Bible times, thus the dislike for her..I guess its the Ishmael VS Jacob game still running
Posted by: Sundown || 11/13/2005 1:50 Comments || Top||

#5  Al-Qaeda has threatened the Queen by naming her as “one of the severest enemies of Islam” in a video message to justify the July bombings in London.

Any excuse will do.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 11/13/2005 4:44 Comments || Top||

#6  Whilst there is a lot of 'Royal bashing' here and a lot of people think the Monarchy is somewhat outdated or irrelevant (I think they're thinking of Chuck here - what a dolt), I can think of fewer things that would raise the temperature here than if the Queen was assasinated by the Jihadis.

It's thought the IRA had her in their sights at one time, but called it off as the backlash would have been horrific - for them. So they went for Lord Louis Mountbatten, last Viceroy of India (and WWII war hero) and blew him up whilst on his boat (they also killed an 82 year old woman, and two teenage kids - one a local boy helping out as crew).

If the Jihadis kill The Queen, they will have brought a whole world of hurt down on their heads.
Posted by: Tony (UK) || 11/13/2005 5:03 Comments || Top||

#7  Descendent from Muhammad from the Spanish side of its family?

First, the present Spanish dinasty, the Borbons, are from French not Spanish origins.

Second: Whenever Chistians advanced during the Reconquista they repopulated the regained regions with Christians of Northern Spain or of ptehr parts of Europe.

Third: After the Reconquista, Muslims were expelled from Spain. Because they were believed to be unsincere and plotting with the Turks those Muslims who had converted to Christianism were also expelled and only remained the "Old Christians" ie those who had no ancestors tained with Muhamadanism.

In case there is Muhammads blood in the Spanish monarchs it doesn't come from Spain but from the italian or greek princesses the Kings married through history.
Posted by: JFM || 11/13/2005 5:06 Comments || Top||

#8  Yeap,real good move there.Ya wnna piss off the Brits,well then go ahead and target the Queen Mum.I can picture the Brit military stompin hell out of anybody they think had a hand in it.And the US would be right thier with them.
Posted by: raptor || 11/13/2005 6:18 Comments || Top||

#9  I didn't know Al Qaeda and Lyndon LaRouche were allied!
Posted by: Eric Jablow || 11/13/2005 7:15 Comments || Top||

#10  I agree with Fred that Zawahiri is confusing substance with symbols. But in essence that is the Al Quaida way. The destruction of symbols is what 9/11 was all about. When one destroys symbols of power, especially symbols that have lost real value, then the response to those attack will be less than deadly. (In that view, 9/11 was a mistake.) And the destruction of kuffar religous symbols is of great value in the internalized islamist mind when one is promoting a suicide ideology. We may think we are the target of terrorism, but the real target is Islam.
Posted by: john || 11/13/2005 8:10 Comments || Top||

#11  A senior Whitehall official said: “MI5 is aware that there are some pieces of that video that have not been aired. They are aware of the bit of al- Zawahiri talking about the Queen and they have notified the relevant authorities.”

Why is it that the news media or government always seems to know what's best by deciding what to allow the public to hear. Let the folks hear it all and be able to decide for themselves, instead of being told how to see or understand what's going on here.
Posted by: Jan || 11/13/2005 8:53 Comments || Top||

#12  [MSM]
Oh look, how cute! One of the little sheeple people wants to decide for herself. Lol, how quaint! Peasant.

Sorry, Jan, I couldn't resist. ;-)
Posted by: .com || 11/13/2005 8:56 Comments || Top||

#13  You know, it might just be that the British govt didn't air the full video because they didn't want the bad guys to know THAT they had the full thing and HOW they got it - at least not until they had time to follow up on any info / leads it contained.

Happens some times in war, the whole intel/secrets thing.
Posted by: lotp || 11/13/2005 9:26 Comments || Top||

#14  You're right. For years I trusted and listened to our MSM.
Only when my son entered into the military, did I find myself not being satisfied, wanting to learn everything about Iraq and Afghanistan and all countries that he may be involved. (I also do guilt well, I should have been doing this way before my son knowing that so many other young men and women have been risking their lives)
It's been a struggle, as I have 2 jobs and don't often have enough time to read it all, but make myself.
The game of catch up has been a real eye opener, and I'm angry for allowing myself to have been swayed as much as I was. I'm sure this is why some of the stupid decisions have/are being made today. I get angry when I see attempts made at continuing to keep folks in the dark and tell them how to think. This is a horrible crime.
Rantburg among other sites that I have found have been helping me to break away from the "herd", and I thank you for that.
Posted by: Jan || 11/13/2005 9:47 Comments || Top||

#15  Well put, Jan. Many of us here are converts to the reborn concept of actually defending freedom, either once part of the moonbats-in-training or indifferent. And I'd say all of us agree with your sentiments regarding the MSM - we were all once completely dependent upon them - and led into their agenda-think because of the lack of alternatives. The Internet and news / blog / interactive sites have saved us from the darkness. Saint Fred is one of my True American Heroes.

I'm sorry to hear you have to work so damned hard, but as an ex-80/hrs/week guy I can say it confirms you belong here - and are among friends.
Posted by: .com || 11/13/2005 10:10 Comments || Top||

#16  Just more proof that all lunatics converge on Lyndon LaRouche.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 11/13/2005 10:29 Comments || Top||

#17  Good for you Jan!

I had my own 'moment' as a result of 9/11 - I think it was the fact that the MSM were systematically editing out the jumpers from history. The Swine.

As a consequence of that, I found LGF and from there many more sites that have not tried to dress up the truth. Of those, RB has the right mix of analysis, local knowledge, smart people, cutting commentary and moments of outright hilarity (thinking of the Crossfire Gazette here) that ensure I'll be coming back for some time to come.

What this place needs is a virtual bar...

Posted by: Tony (UK) || 11/13/2005 10:47 Comments || Top||

#18  Tony, I don't think a virtual Bar will cut it. This place needs a REAL, PHYSICAL bar. And, since we are spread hither and you it will have to be a franchise.

How about it Fred? How about an RB franchise?

Instead of 27 screens of sports shows, we can have a keyboard at every table and all the open threads displayed on large monitors. Add some voice to text capability and mic the whole bar.

Posted by: AlanC || 11/13/2005 11:12 Comments || Top||

#19  Hey Jan, Welcome to the club!

I started my 'conversions' in the late 90's when I saw that the Democrats (and their MSM lackeys) were lying through their teeth and started to look at things outside of the media. It was an eye opener...

In any case - Welcome!
Posted by: CrazyFool || 11/13/2005 11:13 Comments || Top||

#20  Hard to understand this. Prince "All you need is love" Moonbat loves islam.
Posted by: anymouse || 11/13/2005 11:30 Comments || Top||

#21  But may well be ambivalent about Mumsy the Queen.

I mean, the guy has ISSUES, know what I mean?
Posted by: anon on this one || 11/13/2005 11:42 Comments || Top||

#22  My thoughts exactly, anymouse. God forbid they actually succeeded-wonder if Charles would offer an imam the opportunity to give the eulogy.
Posted by: jules 2 || 11/13/2005 12:15 Comments || Top||

#23  So Tony - visit the O'club
Posted by: 3dc || 11/13/2005 13:05 Comments || Top||

#24  mouse, Not hard to understand at all. If mom were gone, Prince "all you need is love" moonbat would be King "all you need is love" moonbat. They think he'd thank them. It's the muzzy way.
Posted by: Throgum Elmoluse7582 || 11/13/2005 13:07 Comments || Top||

#25  he's got the headwear down already, and a wife that needs a veil
Posted by: Frank G || 11/13/2005 13:49 Comments || Top||

#26  Yeap,real good move there.Ya wnna piss off the Brits,well then go ahead and target the Queen Mum.

Nitpick: The Queen Mother died a few years back.

However, her and Elizabeth lived through a time of dire trials for Britain. They did so with a far greater degree of dignity and sense of honor than the current crop of royals will probably ever be able to summon forth in their collective lifetimes (with, perhaps, the exception of Prince Edward).

While not much more than a figurehead, many Britons still hold the Queen in high regard and her murder would incite a no-holds-barred repayment in spades against the entire British Islamic community. Again, this sort of mass turning upon Muslims is presicely what al Qaeda desires. I can only wonder when those Muslims who wish to live in peace will figure this out and more vocally distance themselves from these cutthroat b@stards.

Hard to understand this. Prince "All you need is love" Moonbat loves islam.

While it is difficult to credit al Qaeda with an overly large degree of vision, this one reason stands tall above any other possibilities. Charles has inasmuch kissed Islam's posterior and could not be hoped to be anything more than a complete pushover should his mum take the dirt nap.

he's got ... a wife that needs a veil

Now that was just plain dirty, nasty, rotten and mean, Frank. It was also one of the most frickin' hilarious things I've read here all week, but we shan't go there, shall we?

Posted by: Zenster || 11/13/2005 14:19 Comments || Top||

#27  my bad.... :-)
Posted by: Frank G || 11/13/2005 14:23 Comments || Top||

#28  Any truth to the report that Prince Kotex really converted to Islam? Could the al Qadiacs believe it?

Posted by: SR-71 || 11/13/2005 14:30 Comments || Top||

#29  Admittedly, I lived in England 20 years ago, and my knowledge may be dated, but one thing you DIDN'T do was criticize the Queen. Her children were another matter, especially Charles, who is witless. I think the Muzzies may have made the gravest mistake they've EVER made if they do try to assassinate Queen Elizabeth II. Frankly, I admire and respect her - far more than I do any of her children. So do most of the English I know.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 11/13/2005 14:39 Comments || Top||

#30  Aiman has been talking to La Roche again.
Posted by: gromgoru || 11/13/2005 15:12 Comments || Top||

#31  No problem,Zen.I figured all of Britian's Queens were considered the Queen Mum,because,well because she's the Queen.
I don't remember exactlly how I found RB,I hadn't had a pc very long and was still exploring.I can tell you this,though,out of all the Blogs I've checked-out RB is the best I've yet to find.It has the right mix of of snark,humor,angst,and down right informative expertise around(with just the right amount of troll droppings for leavining).Another thing is,sites like LGF have so many commentators that individual voices get lost in the crowd.
Posted by: raptor || 11/13/2005 15:17 Comments || Top||

#32  I can tell you this,though,out of all the Blogs I've checked-out RB is the best I've yet to find.It has the right mix of of snark,humor,angst,and down right informative expertise around(with just the right amount of troll droppings for leavining).

Queen Mum or no, yer spot on there, raptor.
Posted by: Zenster || 11/13/2005 15:28 Comments || Top||

#33  If the Queen Mum were alive today, she would have something to say about Zawa. She was a class act, esp during the bombing of London in WW2.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 11/13/2005 15:31 Comments || Top||

#34  That the Queen Mother and Elizabeth endured the blitz in London when they could just as easily have retired to Balmoral for the duration has rightfully earned them the esteem they've enjoyed. How many from the current crop of Royals could be relied upon for such leadership?

Posted by: Zenster || 11/13/2005 15:41 Comments || Top||

#35  Andrew and Edward, I'd wager
Posted by: Frank G || 11/13/2005 15:56 Comments || Top||

#36  Frank, thank you for mentioning Andrew. I inadvertently neglected to mention him in my previous comments. If ever there was a living argument against primogeniture hierarchy, Prince Charles is it.
Posted by: Zenster || 11/13/2005 16:05 Comments || Top||

#37  God Allah save the queen.
Posted by: Captain America || 11/13/2005 18:12 Comments || Top||

#38  Fraaaannnk - naughty! (Camilla is apparently a luverly lady!)

I tried to post earlier on about the Queen Mum (1900 - 2002), but RB barfed it. Oh well. A superb woman who spent most of her life serving her country, as has her daughter, QEII.

Point is, Chuck is a pratt - noone respects him, Edward has had too much time 'treading the boards (luvvy)' and was largely responsible for the friggin' awful "it's a royal knockout" almost 20 years ago that helped to nosedive the approval ratings for the Monarchy. Andrew is a dude, who's actually fought in a war (Falklands - 1982), but is totally associated with 'Fergy' and (the much more foxy) Koo Stark, which effectively bars him from having a major role in public life.

I wouldn't be surprised if The Queen completely misses Chuck in terms of succession and goes straight to William, particularly if the rumours about Chuck being a closet-Islamic are true.

By the way, the British Royal Family can be utterly ruthless when necessary. They have to be, the Armed Forces swear an oath of allegiance to The Queen, not the state...
Posted by: Tony (UK) || 11/13/2005 18:46 Comments || Top||

#39  I figure Camilla is really a really ugly transvestite, and it's really a secret gay marriage. Once Liz kick off, Chuck takes the crown, outs himself and Camilla (as Cameron)and has the Bishop of Canturbury sanctify the marriage.

Of course I believe in little green men, the tooth fairy and honest democrats.

Posted by: anymouse || 11/13/2005 19:15 Comments || Top||

#40  #29: Admittedly, I lived in England 20 years ago, and my knowledge may be dated, but one thing you DIDN'T do was criticize the Queen. Her children were another matter, especially Charles, who is witless. I think the Muzzies may have made the gravest mistake they've EVER made if they do try to assassinate Queen Elizabeth II. Frankly, I admire and respect her - far more than I do any of her children. So do most of the English I know.
Posted by: Old Patriot||[

Whahahha, say it isn't so.
Posted by: Besoeker || 11/13/2005 19:16 Comments || Top||

#41  Can I be an Enemy of Islam, too? Maybe we could form a club.
Posted by: Jackal || 11/13/2005 19:51 Comments || Top||

#42  Koo Stark - Saw her in a porno or two. Not too bad but she didn't age real well.
Posted by: 3dc || 11/13/2005 20:28 Comments || Top||

#43  Foo do.
Posted by: Claith Thrineque3012 || 11/13/2005 20:31 Comments || Top||

Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia
Cop killed in Grozny
A police officer has been killed and two more wounded in a gunfight with militants in the Grozny district of Chechnya, a local police official said Sunday. In the course of the gunfight that occurred in the village of Raduzhnoye, near the Chechen capital Grozny, operatives killed two militants, including local Wahhabi leader Daud Kaimov, and apprehended two others. The police also seized two Kalashnikov assault rifles, grenades and self-made explosive devices, the official said.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 11/13/2005 06:40 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [271 views] Top|| File under:

Caucasus Corpse Count
A blast in the Sunzhenski district of Chechnya, which borders with Ingushetia, destroyed an armored personnel vehicle, killing two police officers and injuring five, a local police official said Sunday. According to the police report, a roadside bomb went off near the temporary police headquarters.

All injured police officers have been transported to a hospital in Vladikavkaz, the largest city in the republic of North Ossetia in southern Russia.

The police are conducting a search for suspected terrorists.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 11/13/2005 06:40 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [264 views] Top|| File under:

Arab fighter killed in Chechnya
An Arab mercenary has been eliminated in Chechnya, a Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) official said Sunday. "In the course of a joint special operation, FSB operatives and federal troops eliminated an Arab mercenary in Chechnya," the official said.

According to the official, federal forces surrounded a militant group in the village of Avtury in the Shali district of Chechnya. Militants suffered losses in the ensuing gunfight and started to retreat to a nearby forest, leaving the body of the Arab mercenary, whose name had not been revealed in the interests of investigation.

During the search of the body, operatives discovered extremist literature in Arabic, manuals on demolition techniques, a list of militant leaders' names and their possible whereabouts.

Federal soldiers also discovered a hidden militant base, containing military supplies, civilian clothes, ammunition, radios, medical, food and water supplies, at the site of the gunfight.

"The base was well prepared for winter and could accommodate up to 25 people," the official said.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 11/13/2005 06:39 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [299 views] Top|| File under:

#1  surprise meter reading zero. It's a global disease.
Posted by: anymouse || 11/13/2005 11:26 Comments || Top||

#2  This i pure russian propaganda
Posted by: anonymous || 11/13/2005 13:11 Comments || Top||

#3  This i pure russian propaganda

your source? No arabs in Chechnya? Jeez
Posted by: Frank G || 11/13/2005 13:47 Comments || Top||

#4  I hope we see the same thing happen to Islam that happened to the French following two world wars - their "best and brightest" were lost on the field of battle, and what was left was either those that couldn't fight, or those that wouldn't. It might slow down the massacre rate, if nothing else.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 11/13/2005 14:53 Comments || Top||

Down Under
Refugees torch Australian detention centre
Four detainees were being questioned over fires that Saturday gutted parts of the Baxter immigration detention centre in South Australia.

Authorities said the fires, which broke out at 4:00am, were most likely deliberately lit and those found responsible would face charges.

'All Australians face frustration in their daily life,' Immigration Minister Amanda Vanstone said. 'Australians understand sometimes their aspirations don't come to fruition, but we don't expect people to turn to property damage as a way of handling that frustration.'

One man was taken to hospital, five were treated for smoke inhalation and 58 detainees were evacuated from the Port Agusta facility.

There are 250 detainees at Baxter, mostly Middle Eastern asylum seekers whose applications for refugee status have been rejected. Under Australia's controversial policy of mandatory detention, all those who arrive without a visa and claim asylum are locked up until their applications are processed.

Vanstone said detainees found to have lit fires could have their visas cancelled or refused. 'If someone with a visa or without a visa in Australia engages in criminal conduct that will be taken into account in terms of cancelling a visa or removing them,' she said.
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Man-to-man Offense: the Dutch Approach to Jihad
No words to add except that 'man' here means 'human'.
As Prof. Afshin Ellian arrived at Leiden University law school one day recently, two bodyguards hustled him through the entrance and past the electronically locked doors leading to his office. For the rest of the day, the men stood sentry outside those doors, scanning the hallways for any sign of the people who want him dead.

Ellian is one of a soaring number of Dutch academics, lawmakers and other public figures who have been forced to accept 24-hour protection or go into hiding after receiving death threats from Islamic extremists. In a country with a tradition of robust public debate and an anything-goes culture, the fear of assassination has rattled society and forced people such as Ellian to reassess whether it's worth it to express opinions that could endanger their lives. "The extremists are afraid that if Dutch society becomes a safe haven for an intellectual discussion of political Islam, it will be very dangerous for them," said Ellian, an Iranian-born professor of social cohesion who escaped to the Netherlands two decades ago from Afghanistan after receiving death threats from communists there. "This is normal behavior in the Middle East, but not in Europe. They think it's their obligation to kill people they consider to be enemies of Islam."

In other European countries and in the United States, Islamic extremists have generally sought to spread terror with indiscriminate attacks -- bombing trains and hijacking airliners. In the Netherlands, however, radicals have embraced a different strategy: singling out individuals for assassination. The fear in the Netherlands erupted one year ago when Theo van Gogh, a filmmaker and renowned social provocateur, was fatally shot and slashed around the throat while walking on a busy street in Amsterdam. His assailant, a Dutch man of Moroccan descent, pinned a five-page note to the body with a knife explaining that van Gogh -- as well as a number of Dutch politicians and other "unbelievers" -- deserved to die for insulting Islam.

Since then, the Dutch security services have reported uncovering several bombing and assassination attempts organized by Islamic extremists, fueling the public sense of alarm. In late October, police arrested seven young Muslims on suspicion of planning to murder unidentified lawmakers and blow up the headquarters of the Dutch General Intelligence and Security Service.

On Nov. 2, the nation marked the one-year anniversary of van Gogh's slaying. "We must not allow ourselves to be set against each other by people who inscribe their message in blood," Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende said at a memorial service. He quoted Franklin D. Roosevelt: "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself." But on that day, an unknown gunman opened fire on the office of Immigration Minister Rita Verdonk, who has threatened to expel radical Muslim clerics. Windows were shattered, but no one was injured.
Fight back, damn you! Stop playing with yourselves and punish them as soon as they step out of line.
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Posted by: anymouse || 11/13/2005 10:40 Comments || Top||

#2  There is a simple solution. When the Dutch find a poison-pen letter writer, they put him in a special jail with some trustworthy convicts.

He leaves shortly thereafter, in a box.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 11/13/2005 10:49 Comments || Top||

#3  I agre - You can't play defense forever - the Islamazoids only have to find one untended minute to kill you. Time to take the offense to the zoids and clear out their nests. Deport, arrest, or kill as many as necessary
Posted by: Frank G || 11/13/2005 12:50 Comments || Top||

#4  " 'There is something special going on in Holland that cannot simply be explained,' he said."

Oh, it can be explained. It may be because Holland is one place where sick European liberal political thought is most entrenched. The thought that all cultures are equal in value (except their own, because they're guilty whites). The notion that those espousing the murder of non-Muslims should not only be given a microphone, but should be granted center stage by natives in the effort to "even the playing field of history". The eye of consciousness closed on present-day acts of slave trade and genocides because critiquiing Muslims could only prove the Dutch are being racists.
Posted by: jules 2 || 11/13/2005 12:55 Comments || Top||

#5  This approach is to expensive. It is a typical TRANZI approach. The ruling elites are totally out of touch with the rest of the population and resort to this instead of attacking the problem. The catch and release that they are doing is futile.

If one of these islamofascists is successful he will get 12 years in jail max. That is a free pass.

The method needs to change. Go to attack do not just rely on a defensive posture.
Posted by: Sock Puppet O´ Doom || 11/13/2005 14:52 Comments || Top||

#6  Actually, in the case of the Dutch, I don't think it's so much about tranzi nonsense. My mother has been corresponding with the lady who hid her and several others during the war; afterward this lady and her family (of eventually nine children, I believe) took in every refugee who came down the pike, helping them establish themselves. She never questioned that any of them might not be deserving of her help, or that any others might not deserve Dutch help. I think that's why the Dutch are particularly bewildered now... after all, the Jews appreciated them, witness all the books, films, and listings of Righteous Gentiles at Yad Vashem.
Posted by: trailing wife || 11/13/2005 15:13 Comments || Top||

#7  And repeal your dumb-ass gun laws.
Posted by: raptor || 11/13/2005 15:21 Comments || Top||

#8  The Dutch are a principled and practical people. They got pretty slack on the cultural equivalence front. The pullback will be instructive.
Posted by: Classical_Liberal || 11/13/2005 17:07 Comments || Top||

#9  CL,

I hope you're right. It's got to start somewhere.
Posted by: mac || 11/13/2005 17:25 Comments || Top||

Lyon burns as intifada riots hit city centre
Riots spread to the centre of a French city for the first time last night as police clashed with youths in Lyon. Officers in the city's famous Place Bellecour moved in with tear gas to disperse rioters vandalising vehicles. Police said they had been attacked by groups brandishing bottles, stones and dustbins. The confrontation, which led to two arrests, happened shortly after the local prefect had announced a weekend curfew on minors.

Meanwhile, Paris was under siege yesterday as thousands of police guarded key tourist sites such as the Eiffel Tower and the Champs-Elysées and enforced emergency laws, including a ban on groups of people gathering.

The capital's prefect of police, Pierre Mutz, said the record deployment of some 3,000 officers was in response to a barrage of text messages and weblogs thought to have come from youths linked to the previous 16 nights of unrest in the city's suburbs. They called for 'the biggest riot ever seen'.

'The police and gendarmes have been ordered to be very firm,' said Mutz. 'It's time to say, "That's enough" to those who might be envisaging provoking riots in Paris.'

While arson attacks on buildings and cars were reported to have declined around Paris, violence in other cities - including Toulouse, Dunkirk, Amiens and Grenoble, remained intense.
Posted by: Steve White || 11/13/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [272 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Quite interesting offer from a Russian MP - Russian soccer fans to fight rioters in France:


Personally, I find another idea (of prewar General Bulak-Balachowicz of Poland) to quell all riots: give all detainees a string and a half-an-hour to hang themselves.
Posted by: Matt K. || 11/13/2005 0:36 Comments || Top||

#2  How do you brandish a dustbin?
Posted by: AzCat || 11/13/2005 1:46 Comments || Top||

#3  The Lyons of Islam strike again.
Posted by: Jackal || 11/13/2005 10:26 Comments || Top||

#4  It is time to address the legitimate grievances of the Paristinians.
Posted by: gromgoru || 11/13/2005 15:09 Comments || Top||

Gatherings banned in Paris to stem riots
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Sweden Searches for Accomplices to Suspected Terror Plot
Swedish security police and prosecutors are investigating whether a Swede arrested in Sarajevo last month on suspicion of plotting a terrorist attack had accomplices, Stockholm daily Dagens Nyheter reported yesterday. Mirsad Bektasevic, an 18-year-old Swedish citizen originally from Serbia-Montenegro, was arrested along with a Danish citizen of Turkish origin on October 20, suspected of planning an attack. “One of the reasons I have launched a preliminary investigation is that he is so young. It is not unreasonable to suspect that someone (in Sweden) has had influence over him,” chief international prosecutor for Stockholm Tomas Lindstrand told Dagens Nyheter.

Large quantities of explosives and weapons were found during a raid of the Swede’s Sarajevo apartment, as well as e-mail correspondence with several of seven people since arrested in Denmark, also on suspicion of plotting terrorist attacks. Recent news reports have also indicated that Bektasevic may be a so-called recruiter who used the Internet nom-de-guerre “Maximus” in his search for disaffected European youth willing to go to Iraq to join the insurgency. Lindstrand refused to comment on whether the Swede was in fact Maximus. He also declined to say if the investigation was focusing on any specific suspects in Sweden.

Bektasevic’s mother meanwhile told Dagens Nyheter that she was certain her son had been corrupted by “terrorists,” who convinced him to join a mosque in the southwestern Swedish city of Gothenburg. “He went there to pray. The ones who led him astray are terrorists,” she said.

Mosque board member Mohammed Mohsin however insisted that Bektasevic was not known there. “We do not know (him) and have not met him,” he told the paper, insisting that the mosque “has nothing to do with terrorism”.
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#1  "... several of seven..."???That is an odd statement.
Posted by: raptor || 11/13/2005 6:24 Comments || Top||

#2  "... several of seven..."???That is an odd statement.

Think they were trying to say "several of the seven people" or "some of the seven".
Posted by: Steve || 11/13/2005 10:41 Comments || Top||

Iraqi defense minister sez Syria allowing hard boyz to train
Iraq's defense minister slammed Damascus on Sunday for letting militants train on Syrian soil and warned that an escalation of violence in Iraq will spill over into neighboring countries.

Saadoun al-Dulaimi's visit to Jordan follows Wednesday's triple hotel suicide bombings in the Jordanian capital Amman by the al-Qaida in Iraq terror group, which killed 57 people.

"We have more than 450 detainees who came from different Arab and Muslim countries to train in Syria and enter with their booby-trapped vehicles into Iraq to bring destruction and killings," al-Dulaimi said after meeting Jordanian Prime Minister Adnan Badran.

"Let me tell the Syrians that if the Iraqi volcano explodes, no neighboring capital will be saved," al-Dulaimi told The Associated Press.

The Iraqi minister demanded more anti-terror support from Damascus, which is already facing intense pressure from the United States to lock down its borders and stop extremists allied with Jordanian-born militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the leader of al-Qaida in Iraq, from entering the country.

"Iraq is bordering several countries, Iran, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and Jordan, but why is it only the Syrian borders that I have complained more than once about?" al-Dulaimi said.

"We have a 620-kilometer border with this country and we have 620 problems with the Syrians," he said. "It seems our brothers in Syria won't like what we say in this critical period for the Syrians."

A United Nations investigation team recently accused top Syrian intelligence officials of involvement in the assassination of former Lebanese prime minister Rafik Hariri. Earlier this month, the U.N. Security Council passed a unanimous resolution demanding Syria cooperate fully in the ongoing U.N. investigation into Hariri's killing.

Iraqi and U.S. forces have been trying to crush Iraq's rampant insurgency for the past two years. But despite multiple U.S.-Iraqi operations targeting suspected militant bases, militants led by al-Zarqawi and Saddam Hussein loyalists continue to attack across the country.

Al-Qaida in Iraq's operation in Jordan - its deadliest inside a neighboring Mideast country - has also raised fears that al-Zarqawi's terror campaign has gained enough momentum to spread throughout the region.

Jordan's King Abdullah has said that the suicide bombers who targeted the Radisson SAS, Grand Hyatt and Days Inn hotels were likely to have been Iraqi and entered Jordan from either Syria or Iraq.

Al-Dulaimi also offered Iraq's condolences and support to Jordan to try and find those responsible for the hotel attacks, this kingdom's deadliest ever.

"We are partners in facing terrorism," he said.

"Amman's ordeal and Jordan's ordeal is the ordeal of all Iraqis," he said. The terrorists' aim "is to kill tolerance and destroy coexistence in Arab and Muslim cities."
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Izzy dead or izz'nt he?
BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - Conflicting claims emerged Saturday over the reported death of Saddam Hussein's chief lieutenant - believed by the United States to have played the key role in organizing the insurgency and the highest-ranking fugitive at large from the former regime.
Conflicting claims is always good...
Unanimity is plus good. Unanimity with his head on a stick is double-plus good.
A Baathist Web site reported his death on Saturday, but another Web site, also purporting to carry statements from the banned party, maintained Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri was still alive and apologized for the death report.
"Really. He ain't dead yet!"
A relative in Iraq said the family was unsure.
"I dunno. He looks pretty dead to me! His face is all blue and his tongue's hangin' out, and his eyes are rolled up in his head."
"In the pure land of Iraq, the soul of comrade Izzat Ibrahim returned to God on Friday at dawn," one statement said.
"Hi, God! I'm here! Saaaay! Those're some mighty nice horns You've got there!"
It described al-Douri as the "field commander of the heroic resistance" and was signed by the Baath party's "political media and publishing office."
"Here! Sign this!"
"You're sure he's dead?"
That statement appeared Saturday on a Web site believed run by Salah al-Mukhtar, who was Saddam's ambassador to India and head of the External Information Department. The death announcement appeared to confirm an e-mail announcing the death of al-Douri that circulated a day earlier. He was believed to be at least 62. But a later statement on a second Web site said "we apologize from our brothers and sisters for publishing a statement announcing the death of brother Izzat al-Douri, may God extend his life."
"He's not dead yet!"
"There! See? He's breathing!"
"He ain't breathing. That was a death rattle!"
"We have learned a while ago from the dear brother Salah al-Mukhtar that the announcement of death was baseless and that warrior Izzat al-Douri is fine."
"He's get-ting better!"
"Salah? He's starting to smell funny!"
Abdul-Rahman Mohammed Ibrahim, nephew and son-in-law of al-Douri, said he had no independent confirmation of the death, but some people close to Saddam outside the country were treating it as accurate.
We'd like ot see a picture of the corpse, if you don't mind.
I'll settle for his head. I'll provide the stick.
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#1  Get stable soon, Rusty. The suspense is killing me...
Posted by: Seafarious || 11/13/2005 0:53 Comments || Top||

#2  Generalissimo Franco is still dead.
Posted by: anymouse || 11/13/2005 11:27 Comments || Top||

#3  Izzy dead or izz'nt he?

Wazzy? Izzy?

Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 11/13/2005 13:07 Comments || Top||

Al-Qaida claims Iraq restaurant bomb
Al-Qaida in Iraq has said it carried out the bombing of a Baghdad restaurant that left at least 31 people dead. The explosion took place on Thursday morning in a restaurant popular with local police. Reports differ over whether one or two bombers blew themselves up in the attack. The restaurant attack was followed shortly afterwards by a car bomb in the city of Tikrit that left 10 army recruits dead.

According to an internet statement, which could not be verified, Iraq's al-Qaida said it had carried out the bombing of the Baghdad restaurant. "A lion from our martyrs' brigade embedded himself among the infidel police and security forces in the restaurant," said the statement on an Islamist site often used by the group. The statement said the attack was part of an al-Qaida campaign to avenge a raid by US and Iraqi forces on suspected rebel strongholds in Qaim.
That's kinda the essence of Islamic valor, isn't it? Somebody beats you up in one end of the country, so you dispatch some minions to the other end of the country to kill some guys having lunch by surprise.
Posted by: Fred || 11/13/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [274 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Would appear that Islamic valour is not strategic in a substantive manner, right?
Posted by: john || 11/13/2005 8:18 Comments || Top||

#2  Islamic Valor now thats an oxymoron if ever I've heard one.

Query - why would a suicide bomber have to wear a mask? (as in the pic) I would think they would want to be recognized so that they can get their 72 bearded virgins....
Posted by: CrazyFool || 11/13/2005 10:08 Comments || Top||

#3  Because he isn't a real bomber, just a wannabee who doesn't want to be arrested.
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 11/13/2005 11:04 Comments || Top||

Bomber's wife arrested in Jordan; 4th plotter
Police have arrested a woman suspected of having wanted to blow herself up in a series of suicide bombings in Jordan, King Abdullah has said. Police say the Iraqi woman is the wife of one of three Iraqi male suicide bombers who attacked three hotels in Amman on Wednesday, killing 57 people. Deputy Prime Minister Marwan Muasher said she was also the sister of a key aide to Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. Zarqawi's al-Qaeda in Iraq group has claimed responsibility for the attacks. The three Iraqi bombers, who died in the attacks, were identified as Ali Hussein Ali al-Shamari, from Anbar province, Rawad Jassem Mohammed Abed, 23, and Safaa Mohammed Ali, 23. The woman was identified as Sajida Mubarak Atrous al-Rishawi, 35, and she was married to al-Shamari.

Speaking at a press conference, Mr Muasher showed reporters photographs of a suicide bomb belt packed with ball bearings that she was said to have been wearing at the time of the attacks. He said she would make a statement on Jordanian television later in the day.
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#1  I like this -- it's time to get Assyrian on these mooks: arrest/kill their families, burn down their houses and salt their fields.
Posted by: regular joe || 11/13/2005 9:33 Comments || Top||

#2  Zarq's pucker factor probably up a notch, now.
Posted by: anymouse || 11/13/2005 11:24 Comments || Top||

#3  I am sure there will be outrage at the 'interogation' techniques.
Posted by: NYer4wot || 11/13/2005 11:38 Comments || Top||

#4  "...she would make a statement on Jordanian television later in the day..."
Abdullah seems to run a highly-effective police state -- very handy when your kingdom is packed with Paleos with a sprinkling of Iraqi and Syrian terrorists.
Posted by: Darrell || 11/13/2005 12:22 Comments || Top||

#5  "boomerette misfires"

Lol, Fred! Everyone knows you should clean and re-gap or replace yer plugs every 50-60,000 miles... Or you blow up, whichever occurs first.
Posted by: .com || 11/13/2005 14:07 Comments || Top||

#6  Jokes about woman's mechanical ability have no bearing on this. Woman have the same right to carry out mass murder as men and expressions like 'boomerette misfires' simply plays into the hands of the brutal western white male christians who are forcing woman into subservient roles as high paid professionals while the muslim world provides a welcoming to woman who want to better the world by destroying it.
Posted by: patricia Ireland || 11/13/2005 14:47 Comments || Top||

#7  Right about now, this nutjobette is probably wishing like he|| that her vest had worked properly the first time. From what I know of Middle East interrogation techniques, she'll probably be attended to by all 72 studs before making her departure.
Posted by: Zenster || 11/13/2005 14:50 Comments || Top||

#8  Cleanup on aisle #6!
Posted by: Zenster || 11/13/2005 14:51 Comments || Top||

#9  lol - I thought ir was beautiful satire - and no, I didn't write it
Posted by: Frank G || 11/13/2005 14:58 Comments || Top||

#10  brutal western white male christians who are forcing woman into subservient roles as high paid professionals

Ya mean like Swaggart, Bakker and Falwell?
Posted by: Zenster || 11/13/2005 15:02 Comments || Top||

#11  ...while the muslim world provides a welcoming to women who want to better the world by destroying themselves, it seems.
Posted by: SwissTex || 11/13/2005 15:13 Comments || Top||

#12  It seems that women boomers have a higher screw up rate than the men. I think I will use that in an argument with my feminist friend.

Maybe hubby rigged the vest so it wouldn't blow up. It was either a gift of love, or of spite. He wanted to be free of her in heaven. Didn't want her browbeating his virgins.
Posted by: Penguin || 11/13/2005 18:41 Comments || Top||

#13  Sajida darling, is yours the blue belt pack or the black one? Yours is the blue one Ali, my handsome husband. Remember, mine has the Sears Clapper light activation switch. Ahhh, yes my darling Sajida, and don't forget to clap hehehehehehe.
Posted by: Besoeker || 11/13/2005 18:57 Comments || Top||

#14  Penguin has it: Who wants the same ol' mono-brow b*tch haranguing you when you've got your raisins virgins all set up in paradise
Posted by: Frank G || 11/13/2005 20:17 Comments || Top||

Well, guess who is still around to spend the life insurance check.
Posted by: Grigum Thinter1318 || 11/13/2005 20:30 Comments || Top||

#16  Well, guess who is still around to spend the life insurance check.

Do vest bombers qualify for double indamnity?
Posted by: Zenster || 11/13/2005 20:47 Comments || Top||

Failed suicide bomber captured in Jordan
Security forces in Jordan have detained what authorities believe is a would-be fourth suicide bomber, a woman, King Abdullah II announced.

The woman's explosives apparently failed to detonate, he said on Sunday. She apparently wore an explosive belt, along with her husband, another bomber, to the Radisson in Amman.

But after her explosives failed to detonate, said Deputy Prime Minister Marwan Muasher, her husband asked her to leave before detonating his own.

Sixty-seven people were killed in the blasts at the Radisson, the Grand Hyatt and the Days Inn on Wednesday, and more than 90 were wounded.

Abdullah was speaking the day after he vowed to back a crackdown on al Qaeda after confirmed that four people from the terror group carried out the Amman hotel attacks -- three suicide bombers and the wife of one of the attackers.

But in an interview with CNN, the monarch stopped short of pledging unilateral action against the terror group al Qaeda in Iraq, which is led by Jordanian-born Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

"Obviously we are going to crack down and take the fight to Zarqawi, but this is part of our coalition ... against this ... threat," he said.

Al Qaeda in Iraq claimed responsibility for Wednesday's attack, which killed 57 people, plus the three bombers.

In an Internet statement, the terrorist group said three suicide bombers and the wife of one of the attackers were involved in the bombings.

While the statement cannot be independently confirmed, King Abdullah said "initial findings" indicate that they were all Iraqis.

The king expressed particular scorn for the husband and wife team.

"To see a wedding procession and to take your wife or your spouse with you into that wedding and blow yourself up -- these people are insane," he said.

The attack on the wedding party at the Radisson Hotel resulted in the heaviest loss of life, including 38 friends and family of the bride and groom.

The Web site posting from al Qaeda in Iraq said the husband and wife were responsible for the Days Inn blast.

King Abdullah said that while Zarqawi "has been targeting Jordan for quite awhile," Wednesday's attack -- the deadliest in Jordan's history -- showed a new strategy for the Jordanian-born terror leader.

"We have been very successful on a regular basis in being able to take his groups across because he has used Jordanians," the king said. "Now he has changed tactics.

"He is using foreigners. That means that our security forces have to change tactics, also."

He said it was possible the attackers slipped into Jordan from Iraq or Syria, accused by the United States of allowing terrorists to cross into Iraq. Security officials later said they believed the attackers crossed the Iraqi border.

King Abdullah said he has spoken to Syrian President Bashar al-Assad about securing the border to prevent terrorists "that have been creating instability here."

"He has assured me on many occasions that he will take this up and give it his utmost attention, and I hope that he will continue to do that," the king said.

When asked if Assad had followed up his words with actions, the monarch said, "Well, we still have had problems across our borders."

Jordanian authorities offered some insight Saturday into the ongoing investigation of Wednesday's bombings.

The bombers came across the Iraqi border three days before the Wednesday attacks and rented a house. A forensic examination of the house is under way to determine if it is commonly used a safe house for bombers, authorities said.

Authorities retrieved nothing useful from the security cameras in the hotels or from the wedding photographer at the Radisson.

As for the suicide belts, they were made outside of Jordan. But the detonators were connected to the belts shortly before the bombings, presumably in Jordan. The belts contained a "rapid detonation explosive," security officials said, and the detonators were fashioned from hand grenade detonators.

The explosives and detonators were of Yugoslavian origin, authorities said, and are readily available in Iraq.

The investigation suggests that al-Zarqawi was frustrated that Jordan had been able to thwart 15 plots since April 2004, so al Qaeda's Iraq leader shifted his focus to soft targets to demonstrate he was "still alive and kicking" in his native Jordan, officials said.

This same rationale prompted al-Zarqawi to recruit non-Jordanians in an effort to prevent Jordan's intelligence officials from uncovering plots against soft targets. Fourteen people have been arrested in connection with the bombings, all of them non-Jordanians.

Jordan police have yet to make the bombers' identities public, but may do so Sunday.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 11/13/2005 06:20 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [277 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "To see a wedding procession and to take your wife or your spouse with you into that wedding and blow yourself up -- these people are insane,"
Or maybe he just had an unhappy marriage and seeing the wedding in the target hotel made him choose to 'save' them.
Posted by: Glenmore || 11/13/2005 9:55 Comments || Top||

#2  I think there was a little more planning than that .....
Posted by: lotp || 11/13/2005 9:58 Comments || Top||

#3  I suspect Zark boy of having a bone to pick with this particular Pal set of clans.
Posted by: 3dc || 11/13/2005 13:16 Comments || Top||

#4  First of all, the whole husband/wife thing is a bit strange. Then her belt malfunctioned and then somehow she managed not to get blown up along with everyone else and then she just walks off?

I'd be a bit leery of a set-up if I were the investigators. While it may be a lucky break - it seems just a little too pat.
Posted by: 2b || 11/13/2005 16:54 Comments || Top||

#5  Columbo: "I have just one more question, miss...ya say your belt didn't work....."
Posted by: Frank G || 11/13/2005 16:58 Comments || Top||

#6  She apparently wore an explosive belt ...

Semtex, the ultimate in high reliablility chastity belts.
Posted by: Zenster || 11/13/2005 19:21 Comments || Top||

Jordanian troops arrested in connection with Amman bombings
A NATIONWIDE hunt for the accomplices of suicide bombers who blew up three hotels in Amman, killing 57 people, has led to the arrest of at least 10 members of the Jordanian armed forces, triggering worries that Al-Qaeda has infiltrated the Arab army most closely allied to the West.

As hotel workers mopped blood stains at the five-star hotels targeted by the bombers — believed to have been sent by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the leader of Al-Qaeda in Iraq — Jordanian security forces said they had arrested 120 people, mainly Iraqis and Jordanians.

Security sources said they believed the bombers were Iraqi, but that they had received help from Jordanian soldiers who had been seduced by radical preachers secretly aligned with Zarqawi.

“It is true that Amman is swarming with Iraqis and Iraqis don’t need a visa to enter Jordan,” a Jordanian security source said. “But we suspect a triple suicide attack of such magnitude had to have been assisted by inside information.”

Amman is home to about 500,000 Iraqis, ranging from refugees from the regime of Saddam Hussein who never went back to wealthy businessmen who find it a safer place to work than Baghdad.

Iraqis working for Zarqawi, a Jordanian national who has a $25m American bounty on his head, are well financed and find it easy to fit in.

The Jordanians’ fear that Al-Qaeda might have infiltrated the armed forces was raised for the first time in August, when a missile was fired from the shore at an American warship in the Red Sea port of Aqaba.

“They are inside,” a security source said. “It remains to be seen how many they are and how dangerous.”

Al-Qaeda in Iraq appeared unusually anxious to justify the attacks, issuing on Friday the third statement since the bombs exploded at the Grand Hyatt, Radisson SAS and Days Inn hotels.

Earlier statements justified the attacks by saying the hotels were “sewers” for Israeli spies and westerners. The latest praised the bombers as “Iraqis . . . (who) vowed to die and chose the shortest route to receive the blessings of God”.

It said there were four bombers, including a wife who “chose to accompany her husband to martyrdom”. Yesterday, however, Jordanian sources insisted there had been three male suicide bombers and no women.

The Al-Qaeda messages appeared to be an appeal for Arab sympathy. Iraqis are seen in the Middle East as heroic resisters of the American “occupation forces”.

As a Jordanian national, Zarqawi would well know the pulse of Jordan. He was a petty thief jailed for 15 years, but released by King Abdullah in a traditional amnesty given when the king ascended the throne.

If it was Zarqawi’s idea to try to elicit sympathy for his attacks, it appeared to have failed. Thousands of Jordanians have denounced him as a “traitor”.

Analysts could not remember an incident that had caused such anger and revulsion to be voiced across the Middle East, largely because one of the bombers blew himself up at a wedding reception of 300 guests.

Abdel Bari Atwan, editor of Al Quds Al Arabi, the independent Arabic newspaper, called Zarqawi’s attacks in Amman a “fatal blow to his popularity”.

Bruce Willis, the American film star, has offered $1m to any civilian who turns in Zarqawi or Bin Laden.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 11/13/2005 06:16 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [254 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "Bruce Willis, the American film star, has offered $1m to any civilian who turns in Zarqawi or Bin Laden."

Yippee Kayay, Muja F***er!
Posted by: doc || 11/13/2005 7:56 Comments || Top||

#2  MESSAGE REPEAT:Kill one or two of the Wahabi-Salafi bankers: the BIG BOYS, and one or two BIG MULLAHS, and three quarters of this craziness will stop. No money for fertilizer bombs.............
Posted by: Whinesh Omelet6007 || 11/13/2005 9:56 Comments || Top||

#3  Does anyone else see the irony of "outrage" at the Amman bombing, and the lack of "outrage" of similar bombings that kill innocent moslems in Iraq?
Posted by: anymouse || 11/13/2005 10:37 Comments || Top||

#4  Depends on who's Ox gets gored.
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 11/13/2005 11:07 Comments || Top||

#5  I'm amazed at how they seem to be able to infiltrate us, but we can't seem to infiltrate them? Or are we?
Posted by: plainslow || 11/13/2005 12:45 Comments || Top||

#6  MESSAGE REPEAT:Kill one or two of the Wahabi-Salafi bankers: the BIG BOYS, and one or two BIG MULLAHS, and three quarters of this craziness will stop. No money for fertilizer bombs.............

[airport announcer] Paging all hunter-killer teams to the white courtesy phone ... [/aa]
Posted by: Zenster || 11/13/2005 16:32 Comments || Top||

#7  triggering worries that Al-Qaeda has infiltrated the Arab army most closely allied to the West.

Duhhhh, they've "infiltrated" our Army of One. We'd be smart to simply assume they are there, and act accordingly.
Posted by: Besoeker || 11/13/2005 19:37 Comments || Top||

Israelis kill two Paleo terrs
GAZA CITY - Two Palestinians were killed and another wounded by gunfire from Israeli soldiers in separate incidents in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank Saturday, a Palestinian security official said on Sunday.

The body of Bilal Al-Shahr, 19, was found in the southern Gaza Strip near the security fence that separates it with Israel. Israeli gunfire also injured another Palestinian, said the official.

An Israeli army spokeswoman earlier told AFP that soldiers had fired at two Palestinians. “Two Palestinians were identified as they were crawling towards the security fence in the southern Gaza Strip. They were cutting part of the fence and apparently they were placing an explosive device on the ground,” she said. “The forces opened fire at the two hitting them,” the Israeli army spokeswoman added.
Posted by: Steve White || 11/13/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [264 views] Top|| File under:

#1  “Two Palestinians were identified as they were crawling towards the security fence in the southern Gaza Strip. They were cutting part of the fence and apparently they were placing an explosive device on the ground,”

Pro'bly trying to avenge the massacre of Palestinians in Amman.
Posted by: gromgoru || 11/13/2005 15:07 Comments || Top||

'Jordan closer CIA ally than Mossad'
Jordan's General Intelligence Directorate, or GID, has surpassed Israel's Mossad as the US's most effective allied counter-terrorism agency in the Middle East, The Los Angeles Times reported over the weekend. According to unnamed former CIA officials, the US provides secret financial assistance to subsidize the GID's budget, and the two intelligence agencies conduct sophisticated joint operations and routinely share information. The GID has emerged as a hub for "extraordinary renditions," the controversial, covert transfer of suspected extremists from US custody to foreign intelligence agencies, the report said.

"Jordan is at the top of our list of foreign partners," Michael Scheuer, who resigned from the CIA last year, ending a 22-year career that included four years heading a unit tracking al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden, was quoted as saying
Maybe so. I'm not real believing of Scheuer's opinions and the "unnamed sources" don't really ring my corroborator.
You can RTWT at the link.
Posted by: lotp || 11/13/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [308 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Jordan is a great player
Posted by: Ulomble Snalet5412 || 11/13/2005 14:56 Comments || Top||

#2  That's because the MOSSAD has learned from past experience it can't trust the CIA to keep the price of beer secret, much less anything else. You don't "share information" with people that give it to your enemies the next day.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 11/13/2005 15:20 Comments || Top||

#3  The question is if some parts of the CIA are allies of the United States.
Posted by: JFM || 11/13/2005 15:53 Comments || Top||

#4  I understand all the comments above. Story passed as received. ;-)
Posted by: lotp || 11/13/2005 15:56 Comments || Top||

#5  Jordan has the best intel in some areas important to US interests. It not suprising that we have a strong relationship with them. Otherwise known as not a BFD.
Posted by: Sock Puppet O´ Doom || 11/13/2005 19:40 Comments || Top||

#6  Scheuer has been trotting himself out there quite a bit lately, and, IMHO, is stoking an agenda. A 22 year "vet" needs to keep all his options open, doncha know?

Posted by: Asymmetrical Triangulation || 11/13/2005 20:32 Comments || Top||

#7  no Saudi retirement plan, huh?
Posted by: Frank G || 11/13/2005 21:31 Comments || Top||

We Will Take Fight to Zarqawi: Abdallah
Jordan’s King Abdallah yesterday vowed to “take the fight” to Al-Qaeda’s strongman in Iraq Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi whose group has claimed suicide bombings that killed 57 people in the Jordanian capital. “We are going to crack down and take the fight to Zarqawi,” the king said in an interview with CNN television, without elaborating.
That would seem to imply the dispatch of hard-eyed young fellows to kill him and his immediate minions, wouldn't it?
“We have been very successful in taking down his operations in the past... (when) he used Jordanians. Now he has changed tactics, he is using foreigners. That means that our security services have to change tactics too,” he said.
"We'll see what color the non-Jordanian blood is."
“This is not a battle between a Jordanian-born, Jordan or different countries. This is an ideological struggle between extremist Muslims that have this perverse view of Islam against the rest of us moderate Muslims,” he said. Asked if there was a connection between the attacks and Jordan’s links with the United States, the king said: “This is a strike against the people of Jordan not the policies of Jordan.” In a separate interview with the state-run Petra news agency, he said: “We will develop our strategy to fight against terrorism and we will be firm with the terrorists. We will not tolerate those who encourage terrorism, preach violence and anathema. There is no place for them among us.”
Let's hope the Jordanian attention span is longer than the Dutch and British. We won't even mention the Spaniards.
Posted by: Fred || 11/13/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [274 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Get a few Russian advisers - they will tell you how they dealt with Maskhadov's and Basayev's families in Chechnya (make a Google search about ZACHISTKA).

As for Al-Zarqawis - they live, and very well, in Zarqa, in Northern Jordan. Within a last few months they became the richest in the town.


PS. In Romania there is a school of impaling - this can help as well.
Posted by: Matt K. || 11/13/2005 0:26 Comments || Top||

#2  Get a few Russian advisers - they will tell you how they dealt with Maskhadov's and Basayev's families in Chechnya (make a Google search about ZACHISTKA).

And it hasn't brought them any stability in the area. Do you actually bother _reading_ the news from the Caucasus that gets posted here?
Posted by: Phil || 11/13/2005 1:23 Comments || Top||

#3  Only a week or so back there was general praise and rejoicing among Jordanians for the terror attacks of Zarqawi on Iraqi civilians and Americans. A little bite to the hand in your own backyard from the dog you have been feeding makes quite a difference.
Posted by: Hupeasing Jatch2629 || 11/13/2005 3:05 Comments || Top||

#4  Start by targetting his family.
Posted by: raptor || 11/13/2005 6:30 Comments || Top||

#5  Seems if Z-man's family are "rich", maybe the taxman should pay a visit.
Posted by: anymouse || 11/13/2005 9:37 Comments || Top||

#6  Taxman? how about demolition man? :)
Posted by: Shep UK || 11/13/2005 11:09 Comments || Top||

#7  Or perhaps ...Seems if Z-man's family are "rich", maybe the (t)axman should pay a visit...?
Posted by: Phert Threting4467 || 11/13/2005 11:42 Comments || Top||

#8  a) Zarq has been trying to bring down Abdallah's government for years. This isn't new - and the Jordanian security service has been keeping tabs on Zarq's family as well. See today's post about them vs. Mossad. (Scheuer's claims may be overstated on this one as they are on other issues, but he's not the only person from whom I've heard that the Jordanian intelligence service has its act together.)

b) The King has been very very helpful wrt Iraq. Logistics supplies through his country, intel info by his native Arabic speakers, hosting a lot of the reconstruction busines ....

c) He also has the largest contingent of Palestinians in the world - which means moving against them, and against Zarq's family openly, is a difficult move unless they are stupid enough to give him an occasion for doing so that the masses can accept.

Zarq was, of course, that stupid: not only booming in ways that killed a bunch of Jordanians, but doing it with people from outside the country, too.

Now that Jordanian intel service can be unleashed again and will get some help from locals because they are hunting "others".
Posted by: lotp || 11/13/2005 11:49 Comments || Top||

#9  I heard the King on the radio today. He's very articulate and made Tim Russert look like a bitter fool. Russert came across as a paid spokesperson for the terrorist cause. His questions were downright rude and crude (in the sense of non-nuanced, not nasty) ...but in reality, they really weren't questions at all, but proclaimations of his opinions. And coincidentally the standard DNC talking points of the day.

The King on the other hand came across very, very well.

Hmmm....maybe it was Aaron Brown. I'm not really sure which one it was...nor do I care.
Posted by: 2b || 11/13/2005 17:09 Comments || Top||

#10  "The King on the other hand came across very, very well."

He always does. But for good PR, no one in Jordan can hold a candle to Queen Rania. Yowza!
Posted by: xbalanke || 11/13/2005 17:50 Comments || Top||

#11  He's very articulate and made Tim Russert look like a bitter fool.

Russert was out of his league the moment he opened yis YAP! The blow-me-up Muzzies will drive Ab into the western camp even further. He's no one to mess with.
Posted by: Besoeker || 11/13/2005 18:45 Comments || Top||

Al-Qaida behind hotel blasts
Jordan says an investigation into the deadly bombings against three Amman hotels has concluded that al-Qaida in Iraq was behind the attacks. "The investigation has arrived at the conclusion that al-Qaida was behind the attacks and specifically Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi's group," Deputy Prime Minister Marwan al-Muasher told a news conference on Saturday, adding that all three attackers were "non-Jordanian males".

The statement contradicts al-Qaida in Iraq which said four Iraqis - including a husband and a wife - carried out Wednesday's attacks against the Grand Hyatt, Radisson and Day's Inn hotels that killed 57 people, including the bombers. There was "no indication of a woman among the bodies of the perpetrators", Muasher said.
Posted by: Fred || 11/13/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [271 views] Top|| File under:

Southeast Asia
More JI weapons aches recovered in East Java
Indonesian police saud they've uncovered two weapons caches in East Java on information provided by a former associate of Islamic militant Azahari Husin.

Azahari, one of Asia's most wanted men and a member of the Al-Qaeda linked Jemaah Islamiyah extremist network, was killed during a shootout with police on Wednesday.

The Media Indonesia daily says police recovered an M-16 automatic rifle, several other rifles and a number of explosives in two covered holes.

Anti-bomb squads have been searching a pine forest accompanied by one of Azahari's former associates who told them weapons were stored in 12 different locations in the area.

Police say they are closing in on terror ringleader Noordin Mohamad Top who narrowly escaped capture in a separate raid.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 11/13/2005 06:33 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [268 views] Top|| File under:

Death toll from Philippines gunfight rises to 23
Fighting between Philippine soldiers and suspected members of an al Qaeda-linked militant group on the southern island of Jolo has escalated, an army general said on Sunday as the death toll rose to 23.

The fighting erupted on Friday when Marine soldiers hunting a one-armed, horse-riding commander of the Abu Sayyaf group, ran into a large group of fighters in Indanan town near the rebel headquarters.

"The offensive is ongoing," Brigadier-General Alexander Aleo, the army commander on the island, told reporters.

"There is no room for terrorists on Jolo island. We will get them sooner or later because many Muslim residents are helping and providing us information about the terrorists."

Aleo said four soldiers had died and 19 been wounded since fighting began on Friday. Some of the wounded had been airlifted to an army hospital in the southern port city of Zamboanga.

On Saturday, the military had put the death toll at three troopers killed and about a dozen wounded.

Aleo said that at least 19 suspected militants had also been killed when troops hammered rebel positions with howitzers and mortar fire, but no bodies had been recovered.

Aleo said two battalions of soldiers were battling about 100 Muslim rebels led by Radullan Sahiron, the Abu Sayyaf chief on Jolo, the target of a government manhunt since early this year.

About 25 soldiers and 120 rebels were killed in a two-month army offensive last February.

Abu Sayyaf, the smallest of four Muslim rebel groups in the southern Philippines, is suspected of having links with al Qaeda and regional militant network Jemaah Islamiah. It has been blamed for a wave of bombings in the south and Manila since 2002.

The group claimed responsibility for the worst terror attack in the mainly Roman Catholic country -- the 2004 bombing of a ferry near Manila that killed more than 100 people.

Troops renewed their search for Sahiron after police had to admit that a man they had arrested turned out to be a lookalike of the rebel leader.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 11/13/2005 06:31 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [268 views] Top|| File under:

20 slain in Philipines terror battle

AS many as 20 people are believed killed as fighting between soldiers and members of an al-Qaeda linked Muslim militant group went into its third day in the southern Philippines today.
Heavy rains were hampering the military's pursuit of members of the Abu Sayyaf on the outskirts of the town of Indanan in the southern island of Jolo, said Brigadier General Alexander Aleo, who heads an anti-terrorism task force on the island.

Aleo said the total number of soldiers killed had risen to four, with 21 others wounded.

Intelligence reports and radio intercepts revealed that 16 Abu Sayyaf members had been killed, although soldiers had only recovered three bodies, Aleo said.

The Abu Sayyaf, a feared Muslim outlaw group, has also received extra support from additional armed guerrillas as the troops advanced, Aleo said.

Fighting broke out on Friday when Abu Sayyaf members attacked a military patrol in Indanan.

Aleo said his soldiers discovered that the rebels had been forcing residents in outlying areas to leave their homes, for an as yet unknown reason. Troops had been sent to help the forced evacuees.

The Abu Sayyaf is a group of Muslim militants who have staged various kidnapping and bombing attacks against Christians and foreigners in this largely Roman Catholic nation.

It has been linked by both Washington and Manila to the al-Qaeda network.
Posted by: Anguger Ulinetch4745 || 11/13/2005 03:32 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [257 views] Top|| File under:

US shows new evidence of Iranian nuclear program
New evidence suggests Iran has made significant progress in its pursuit of nuclear weapons and that should strengthen the case for increasing international pressure on Tehran to end the program, U.S. and European officials say.

The data, which in recent months was shared with the International Atomic Energy Agency and key countries, is "not definitive (but) it is strongly suggestive that Iran has made significant advancement toward weaponisation," one U.S. official told Reuters.

Another U.S. official said that "no one is portraying this as definitive (but) it's one more piece of a strong circumstantial case that they are pursing a nuclear weapon."

The officials, who asked not to be named because of the sensitivity of the issue, gave no details of the documents.

Nuclear experts have been saying for months that the fact that U.S. claims about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction capabilities proved largely false is fueling doubts about intelligence on Iran.

The New York Times reported on its Web site on Saturday that in mid-July, senior American intelligence officials called the leaders of the IAEA to the top of a skyscraper overlooking the Danube in the Austrian capital Vienna and unveiled the contents of what they said was a stolen Iranian laptop computer.

The Americans showed data from more than 1,000 pages of Iranian computer simulations and accounts of experiments, saying they showed a long effort to design a nuclear warhead, the newspaper reported, quoting European and American participants in the meeting.

The newspaper said the U.S. officials argued the data was "the strongest evidence yet that, despite Iran's insistence that its nuclear program is peaceful, the country is trying to develop a compact warhead to fit atop its Shahab missile, which can reach Israel and other countries in the Middle East."

Iran, which kept a uranium enrichment program secret for 18 years until 2003, is facing referral to the U.N. Security Council for possible sanctions after failing to convince the international community its nuclear ambitions are entirely peaceful.

The New York Times said Iranian officials denied any knowledge of the warhead plans.

"We are sure that there are no such documents in Iran," the paper quoted Ali Larijani, Iran's chief nuclear negotiator, as saying in an interview in Tehran. "I have no idea what they have or what they claim to have. We just hear the claims."

A U.S. official and a European official told Reuters that technical experts, including at the IAEA, who got the briefing were quite concerned at what the data shows.

But The New York Times said that apart from Britain, France and Germany -- which have joined Washington in demanding that Iran halt suspicious nuclear activities -- other countries remain skeptical.

Shahin Gobadi, a spokesman for an Iranian opposition group which first disclosed Tehran's secret activities in 2002 and has since revealed other details of the nuclear program, said his group was not the source of the stolen laptop.

But Gobadi said in a telephone interview and an e-mail from Paris that his group, the National Council of Resistance of Iran, had also acquired evidence Iran "is working on nuclear warheads."

The nuclear warhead project is being carried out by Shahid Karimi Industrial Group in the Hemmat Complex, northeast of Tehran, said Gobadi, whose group is on the U.S. State Department list of terrorist organizations.

Nuclear warheads and missiles are also being developed at the Parchin military site, 20 miles (30 km) southeast of Tehran, he said.

By reverse-engineering a cruise missile it obtained from Ukraine, Iran has "mastered the technology to produce (nuclear-capable) cruise missiles and is making great progress toward this end," Gobadi said.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 11/13/2005 06:48 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [265 views] Top|| File under:

#1  All of this is just noise. The UN, Euro's, American MSM & Lefties will accept nothing less than NYC under a mushroom cloud delivered by The Iranian president himself before realizing Iran has nuclear ambitions.
The only one's that can be depended on in this to do the right thing are the Israeli's.
Posted by: JerseyMike || 11/13/2005 8:23 Comments || Top||

#2  The officials, who asked not to be named because of the sensitivity of the issue, gave no details of the documents.

Another non-indentified source making vague allegations with no evidence to support their claims.
Posted by: DepotGuy || 11/13/2005 10:50 Comments || Top||

#3  Anything else new? Nutty Iranis?
Yawn. Hoo-boy. Just get them!
Posted by: OnlySaneAnonymouseLeft || 11/13/2005 11:58 Comments || Top||

#4  Can we take 'em down yet?
Posted by: Captain America || 11/13/2005 18:04 Comments || Top||

#5  Shahid Karimi Industrial Group

Contractors are always to blame.
Posted by: Besoeker || 11/13/2005 18:36 Comments || Top||

#6  Yes, speculation at a time when such is to be expected. Israel certainly knew how to do the "right thing" when they built their illegal arsenal of nuclear weapons (still denying it are they not?). They knew how to get them built before anyone suspected a thing! Of course, there was probably more willingness to not notice with Israel than with Iran. And certainly no motivation in the West to speculate in the press about it.
Posted by: willtotruth || 11/13/2005 18:43 Comments || Top||

#7  urgetoprattle has a point... it is very a-skeered of Israel.
Posted by: .com || 11/13/2005 18:51 Comments || Top||

#8  Simple fact: There are mosques in Israel. How many synagogues are their in Iran, Saudi Arabia or the Palestinian Terrortories?

[/feeding session]
Posted by: Zenster || 11/13/2005 18:52 Comments || Top||

#9  The New York Times reported on its Web site on Saturday that in mid-July, senior American intelligence officials called the leaders of the IAEA to the top of a skyscraper overlooking the Danube in the Austrian capital Vienna and unveiled the contents of what they said was a stolen Iranian laptop computer.

Someone has been watching far too many B movies.
Posted by: Besoeker || 11/13/2005 19:33 Comments || Top||

India fences off Bangladesh to keep out Muslim terror
INDIA is accelerating the construction of a 2,500-mile fence to seal its border with Bangladesh amid growing fears that its Muslim neighbour could become “a new Afghanistan”.
Posted by: john || 11/13/2005 19:51 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [457 views] Top|| File under:

#1  2500 miles? But Moose sez it's impossible for us to build 1500 miles on teh mexican border? Guess they figure a fence has value above its' cost?
Posted by: Frank G || 11/13/2005 20:12 Comments || Top||

#2  India is also fencing the 1,800 mile border with Pakistan.
Posted by: john || 11/13/2005 20:15 Comments || Top||

#3  I'm not sure about the extent of the minelaying though.
A lot of the border minefields were cleared. Some were meant to be permanent.

India's deadly defence: the 1,800 mile long minefield

Indian army and security forces have embarked on an unprecedented project to lay hundreds of thousands of anti-personnel mines along the entire length of its 1,800-mile border with Pakistan.

The minefields will be up to three miles deep in places. Along with accompanying Indian defensive installations this will create the longest, fully-fortified border in the world, running from the Indian Ocean to the Himalayas. It will dwarf the western front of the first world war and the Maginot Line of the second and amount to south Asia's equivalent of the Berlin Wall.
Posted by: john || 11/13/2005 20:19 Comments || Top||

#4  Damn. Makes me wish I had a "Fences-R-US" franchise for India.
Posted by: Brett || 11/13/2005 20:19 Comments || Top||

#5  The section of fence in Jammu and Kashmir uses sensors imported from the US and Israel.
Posted by: john || 11/13/2005 20:22 Comments || Top||

#6  The Dems are always looking for an excuse to raise taxes. If they promised to use the money exclusively for building a fence along our entire southern border, they could put a tax increase to a vote and most Americans would vote yes.

Except for liberals, of course.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 11/13/2005 21:18 Comments || Top||

#7  and Anonymoose
Posted by: Frank G || 11/13/2005 21:28 Comments || Top||

#8  Frank G: Get real. Not all fences are the same. Between India and Pakistan is probably little more than concertina wire, improved over time. The fence proposed for the US-Mexican border is a 15-foot-tall steel wall, which even you might agree is a tad more challenging to both erect and pay for.

Meh, what's five to seven billion dollars, right?

Posted by: Anonymoose || 11/13/2005 22:00 Comments || Top||

#9  no more expensive than the consequences
Posted by: Frank G || 11/13/2005 22:03 Comments || Top||

#10  My point was that the resources should be used to most effect, not just an expensive blanket solution that those of ill-will would attempt to thwart.

I *agree* that a fence is good--for certain parts of the border, about 15-20% of it. By putting a fence there, and there first, the great majority of illegal aliens will be kept out. Reducing 2M/year to 200k a year would be all the difference in the world. Makes great sense and would work like a charm. Plus the added benefit that it could be put up in one-fifth the time, and one-fifth the cost, as a whole fence.

Remember that we also need large detention facilities *right now*, for those Mexicans and especially non-Mexicans who get caught. We will need those facilities for at least five years, even if we begin wall construction today. And those facilities cost a hell of a lot of money, too. The lack of those facilities is the lame excuse the feds use right now for "catch and release".

Then, you also use other means. For example, you try to improve the system for temporary work permits. That would help separate "the wheat from the chaff" among the immigrants. The good ones come through the front door, and you know that the ones trying to sneak through the back door are the bad ones.

You also pay Mexican citizens to report non-Mexicans trying to sneak across the border, thus closing the potential terrorist hole.

More solutions make for a better overall result.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 11/13/2005 22:29 Comments || Top||

Terror Networks & Islam
Americans Want Tough Interrogations
Poll: Americans Back Tough Interrogations

By a nearly 2-to-1 margin, Americans support U.S. interrogators doing "whatever it takes" to get information from terrorist suspects who might be planning attacks against U.S. interests.

An NBC/Wall Street Journal poll shows 55 percent of those surveyed support the current policy that allows tough interrogation tactics - while just 30 percent say that techniques now being employed by U.S. intelligence go too far.

"They don't want to know what the specifics are," NBC's Andrea Mitchell said Sunday while discussing the previously unreported survey. "They agree with whatever it takes."

The finding would be a boost for Vice President Dick Cheney, whose been under fire from the press for opposing Sen. John McCain's proposal to reign in U.S. interrogators.

One technique, waterboarding - which has been decried as "torture" by critics - was used on 9/11 operations chief Khalid Sheik Mohammed.

The tactic yielded "rich and important information about terrorist operations" - according to the New York Times.
Posted by: Captain America || 11/13/2005 18:01 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [263 views] Top|| File under:

#1  dya hear that President McCain?
Posted by: Frank G || 11/13/2005 18:12 Comments || Top||

#2  A 2:1 margin? Ouch. For the hand-wringers, that's gotta hurt.
Posted by: Dave D. || 11/13/2005 18:32 Comments || Top||

#3  "whatever it takes"
"They don't want to know what the specifics are"

This suggests a new sort of policy:

Do "ask", don't tell. Melike.
Posted by: .com || 11/13/2005 18:34 Comments || Top||

#4  One technique, waterboarding - which has been decried as "torture" by critics - was used on 9/11 operations chief Khalid Sheik Mohammed.

Heavens to mergatroid! Do you mean to say that a handful of psychotic mass murderers who forever changed the world's political landscape on 9-11 are now experiencing some extreme discomfort as a result of their having plotted this and many other atrocities?

Will wonders never cease.

Personally, I don't much like the idea of government sponsored torture. I like the idea of a nuclear terrorist attack upon our nation (something all of these psychos have wet dreams about) even less. When weighing one against the other, guess which side of the equation wins out?

By declaring their willingness to participate in atrocities that far exceed the limits of most human imagination, these sh!theads place themselves outside the boundaries of deserving anything remotely approaching humane treatment. Go ahead and plot your wretched rivers of bloodletting. Just remember that, somewhere, there's a car battery with your name on it.
Posted by: Zenster || 11/13/2005 18:35 Comments || Top||

#5  Pardon me. I have a conceptual problem here.

The United States maintains the capability to erase off the face of the earth most any country in this world. Now Russia and China are a bit large, but certainly a big hurt on either. That's a hell of lot of killing and destruction. Yet, no one is seriously talking about giving up, outlawing the ability.

On the other hand, we have people whining and crying over tearing someone's finger nails out.

Is it just me, or is there something fundamentally wrong with being concerned with a handful of people compared to millions?

Either both situations are unacceptable or someone is missing a screw [and I don't mean the one for the thumbs].
Posted by: Angatch Omump4656 || 11/13/2005 18:44 Comments || Top||

#6  The American people see through what is going on. I suspect they would favor abrogation of the Geneva convention also.It has never protected and American soldier except in German and Italian prison camps. And it is not at all clear that it was the convention that protected them.
Posted by: Fleatle Thromonter6140 || 11/13/2005 18:46 Comments || Top||

#7  Is it just me, or is there something fundamentally wrong with being concerned with a handful of people compared to millions?

It's just you. While far from a perfect analogy, the difference is the difference between having a gun in your drawer at home and taking that gun out and shooting someone with it. For the world's leading target (i.e., the United States) having broad capabilities is a matter of survival, actually using those capabilities should be done reluctantly.
Posted by: AzCat || 11/13/2005 20:02 Comments || Top||

#8  do ask, not tell. heheh.

In all honesty, I against true physical torture with very few exceptions. I'm not talking a little discomfort or red ink. I'm talking the rack, the hook, and places car batteries should not go.

And I think most other rantburgers - if asked the right questions - would admit that as well.

Once again, the handwringers work against their own cause. By dumbing down the meaning of terror to mean not wearing gloves when touching a Koran or not providing the proper plumpness to pillows, then we all just get immune to what true torture really implies.

Why is it that screams of torure always seem the loudest from the Humane Rights Groups Against Americans and Jews(TM) Yet they are sadly silent as most of the world's security services utilize the practice of torture just for kicks.

Nobody - except wierd cruel people - like the idea of torture. But the handwringer's demand that nothing but saying "pretty please" can be done to obtain information from stone, cold mass murderers - has actually made it so that the real discussion about when to use torture and how much - has little meaning.
Posted by: 2b || 11/13/2005 20:12 Comments || Top||

#9  By and large, the people making the most hay about our so-called torture of terrorists fit into the classification of RFSP. Having said that, it is my considered opinion that we should not make torture a policy, but rather make a policy to use what ever effectice means possible to extract the maximum useful intelligence from these terrorists when we catch them. After that goal has been achieved, then the terrorists should be placed before a military tribunal, sentence pronounced upon them, and executed. Prison breaks, like those recently in Bagram, should not be happening.

We need to remember our objectives: Get the intel to prevent other 9-11s and dispose of the trash. This is not sadism, this is war. The terrorists give no quarter, and neigher should we.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 11/13/2005 20:22 Comments || Top||

#10  Sorry for the typos. Got to cool down. *deep breath*
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 11/13/2005 20:23 Comments || Top||

#11  2b Few people enjoy torturing people ands I am not one of them. However, if we just caught a big fish in the WOT and he wasn't being cooperative, I wouldn't complain if we coaxed him along. Contrary to the propaganda, you will tell all under torture. Ask the many veterans who were broken by North Vietnam, it's only a matter of time and pain. And yes they broke them all including John McCain. No shame there, just a fact of life. Hopefuylly he (and the other idiots) will stop playing attention whore.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 11/13/2005 20:27 Comments || Top||

#12  2b, get serious. The level of torture I will sanction is proportional to the lives to be saved as a result of gaining the informaiton.

If we're talking a six year old kid who's stolen twinkies from Safeway, I doubt I'd sanction a threat other than to tell his parents.

If we're talking the terrorist who knows the location of the nuke in NY that will go off in 6 hours, there's nothing you can't do, except kill him.

Now where we are in between is the relevant question.
Posted by: Unogum Elmavirong8971 || 11/13/2005 20:28 Comments || Top||

#13  excellent point, CS. Thanks.
Posted by: 2b || 11/13/2005 20:31 Comments || Top||

#14  UE...I don't think we disagree. The problem is that we aren't being real in our discussions re: torture because we are too bogged down in red ink, so to speak. There are times when it is appropriate but we don't want to blur the lines between when it would be moderately helpful - but not humane. My point is that we can't even have a serious discussion due to the all the shrieking going on in the background.

Hey...can I claim a human rights violation for having to endure the torture of idiocy from the left?
Posted by: 2b || 11/13/2005 20:36 Comments || Top||

Quake orphans ‘adopted’ for jihad
CHILDREN orphaned by the Kashmir earthquake are being “adopted” by terrorist groups that hope to train them to fight in the jihad, or holy war, writes Dean Nelson.

Pakistan’s leading human rights organisation, the Ansar Burney Welfare Trust, said jihadi groups fighting the Indian government were taking orphans off the streets and putting them in training camps.

The organisation said it also had evidence that sympathetic government officials were passing children on to the jihadis to be looked after.

The popularity of the Islamic militants has risen sharply since the earthquake struck on October 8, killing more than 87,000 people.

The militants were among the first to arrive with aid at some of the worst affected villages. Their organisation and ability to commandeer lifting equipment and tents have generated significant new support. But according to human rights campaigners they are using their new popularity to smuggle weapons and recruit the young and vulnerable.

“We have heard from very reliable sources and seen with our own eyes that orphaned and lost children are being taken by jihadi organisations in northern Pakistan to be trained,” said Fahad Burney, of the trust.

Jamaat-ud Dawa, one of the largest jihadi groups in Pakistan, has called openly for orphans to be handed over for an “Islamic education”.

Pakistan moved quickly following the quake to ban adoptions after aid agencies warned of child trafficking.

Another hazard facing children is pneumonia, which is taking its toll among the 750,000 survivors living in tent camps. Action Against Hunger said it was now seeing one or two cases every day, and was aware of some children dying from the illness.
Posted by: john || 11/13/2005 15:05 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [341 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The popularity of the Islamic militants has risen sharply since the earthquake struck on October 8, killing more than 87,000 people.

The jihadi propagandist who told me this seemed very credible.
Posted by: ryuge || 11/13/2005 15:29 Comments || Top||

#2  Quake orphans ‘adopted’ for jihad

[brutal @sshole]

If that's the only alternative, they're better off dead.

Posted by: Zenster || 11/13/2005 15:46 Comments || Top||

#3  The problem with children raised to be killers is that they are usually worthless. Remember the fearsome secret police in Romania that were orphans, brought up with a "the state is mother, the state is father" attitude? When Romania fell, they just crawled off.

The bottom line is that kids like that know what they are doing is twisted. It ain't natural, and they know that nobody gives a damn about them. This neither breeds loyalty or effectiveness.

Certainly, they will parrot back what they are taught, but that means little. By the time they are old enough to be used, they won't want to be used. Their lives are for shit, and they know it. Their dreams are just to be normal somehow.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 11/13/2005 17:04 Comments || Top||

#4  I sure hope you're right, moose.
Posted by: Zenster || 11/13/2005 17:19 Comments || Top||

#5  Otherwise they become mercenaries in the literal sense of the word?

And no, I don't know re: Romania.
Posted by: Edward Yee || 11/13/2005 18:17 Comments || Top||

#6  Edward, the Romanian "orphanages" were nothing short of state sponsored concentration camps for infants and children unfortunate enough to lose their parents or be abandoned by them. Ceausescu was a miniature Stalin whose inhumanity knew no compass. Would that he could have died half as slowly as so many of those innocent young inmates did.
Posted by: Zenster || 11/13/2005 18:45 Comments || Top||

#7  One especially cruel aspect of the Romanian orphanages is that they followed a discredited theory that occasional injections of blood would improve their vigor. It didn't; they reused their syringes, and so 2,300 Romanian orphans developed AIDS.

Don't be so blithe about the danger represented by child soldiers, moose. many of the worst of the killers in Sierra Leone were children. They were brutalized and brainwashed, and they were deadly to the civilians they came across.

I would prefer that our soldiers not be forced to fight children.
Posted by: Eric Jablow || 11/13/2005 19:51 Comments || Top||

#8  Thanks, Zenster, but I meant this: Remember the fearsome secret police in Romania that were orphans, brought up with a "the state is mother, the state is father" attitude?

And Eric Jablow has it right; let's never forget shooters' ability to get lucky... and let's never forget that a child with an AK-47 means good PR for the other side.
Posted by: Edward Yee || 11/13/2005 20:04 Comments || Top||

#9  I guess that is the end of that entire region.
Posted by: newc || 11/13/2005 20:45 Comments || Top||

#10  Sounds like the Ultimate slavery to me. The fact that Islam is so accepting of this without any sort of outcry just shows how sick that religion - and I mean mainstream Islam - really is.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 11/13/2005 22:55 Comments || Top||

#11  PR, Edward? I'm not concerned with PR. I just don't want to see dead or brutalized children, and I don't want our soldiers to face the guilt after they have to fight children. And, the way they trained the children in Sierra Leone was extremely horrific.
Posted by: Eric Jablow || 11/13/2005 23:06 Comments || Top||

#12  What you will get if the quake orphans are adopted by jihadi outfits is one massive group of people with reactive attachment disorder. That is, in the atmosphere without normal nuturing, like some of those ex-Soviet Bloc orphanages, you will make a whole crop of people that will be incapable of empathy, like normal people. They will be always broken people, incapable of changing, and are virtually condemned to death.

The only way out of this hellhole that we find ourselves in, w/r/t Pak and Kashmir is to cut out the Jihadi financing, and that gets back to the Saudis. It always comes back to Saudi and Iran, because that is where the money comes from for this insanity.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 11/13/2005 23:12 Comments || Top||

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12 die as Islamacists attack cinemas, video stores
HEAVY fighting apparently sparked by an Islamic militia's moves to close cinemas and video stores in the lawless Somali capital has killed at least 12 people and wounded more than 21.

Clashes between gunmen loyal to Mogadishu's Islamic courts and local militia defending the densely populated Yaqshid district began yesterday and flared again today.

"The Islamic courts' militia are trying to close all entertainment centres of the district," one local resident Ahmed Dhuhulow said.

Three people died yesterday and another nine today in clashes that caused inhabitants to flee the area and shops to close, witnesses said. Heavy firing could be heard from all over Mogadishu, home to one million of Somalia's 10 million people and scene of frequent street battles during 14 years of anarchy.

"We have not opened the schools this morning, because of the shooting and heavy bullets which are falling down," said school teacher Abdullahi Hassan. At least two civilians hit by stray bullets, as well as militiamen, were among the 12 dead, witnesses said. The wounded included a child hit by a bullet in the chest.

Leaders of Mogadishu's influential Islamic courts oppose Western and Indian films which they say promote immorality in the mainly Muslim nation.
Posted by: lotp || 11/13/2005 13:37 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [332 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Gunfight at the Blockbuster corral. Sounds like a theme for a new muslim movie.
Posted by: anymouse || 11/13/2005 13:44 Comments || Top||

#2  Minutemen, right Michael.
Posted by: plainslow || 11/13/2005 14:31 Comments || Top||

#3  And to think, it all began when a single Imam rented a copy of "Gigli".
Posted by: Anonymoose || 11/13/2005 15:01 Comments || Top||

#4  I thought the iman that rented Gigli was condemed to an asylum for the mentally insane?
Posted by: anymouse || 11/13/2005 17:38 Comments || Top||

#5  "gobble gobble, infidel!"
Posted by: Frank G || 11/13/2005 17:57 Comments || Top||

#6  Leaders of Mogadishu's influential Islamic courts oppose Western and Indian films which they say promote immorality in the mainly Muslim nation.

Whereas there is nothing in the least immoral about killing innocent adults and children in their quest for "morality."
Posted by: Zenster || 11/13/2005 18:06 Comments || Top||

#7  Is it just more ammunition they need?
Posted by: Besoeker || 11/13/2005 18:30 Comments || Top||

And the brainless liberals of Hollywood call these morons freedom fighters.
Posted by: RG || 11/13/2005 23:37 Comments || Top||

Pharmaceutical executive financed the New Delhi bombings
A pharmaceutical sales executive who is believed to be the "financier, conspirator and spokesperson" behind last month's New Delhi bombings is in police custody, authorities said Sunday.

Tariq Dar was arrested Thursday in Srinagar, Indian-controlled Kashmir, Police Commissioner K.K. Paul said.

He was believed to be helped by four other people in connection with the October 29 blasts at two crowded marketplaces. A third explosive device was left on a bus and detonated after it was removed by the bus driver.

In all, the bombings killed nearly 60 people and injured more than 200. Paul said the blasts were the work of Lashkar-e-Taiba, a group which has carried out previous attacks.

Dar was brought to New Delhi on Friday and has been remanded into police custody for 14 days, Paul said.

Police said $12,000 was deposited into Dar's bank account a few days before the blasts, coming from the Middle East. Dar also visited New Delhi between October 4 and 6, Paul said.

The rapid detonation explosive RDX was used in all three of the blasts, police said.

Lashkar-e-Taiba has denied any responsibility for the bombs, according to news reports.

A spokesman for the Pakistani-based militant group, Lashkar-e-Tayyaba, on Tuesday called the accusations "completely baseless and false," The Associated Press reported.

A little-known Kashmiri group, Islamic Inquilab Mahaz -- which took credit for the blasts -- has ties to Lashkar, officials said.

But in a phone call to a news agency in India-controlled Kashmir, the spokesman said his group does not target civilians, AP reported.

"Lashkar does not believe in carrying out attacks against civilians, especially women and children," Abu Huzaifa told the Kashmir News Service. "We reiterate that Lashkar had no hand in the Delhi attacks."

Two other militant groups also denied involvement in the attacks.

The denials came a day after India's prime minister told Pakistan's president there are indications of foreign links to the New Delhi bombings and reminded him of his country's pledge to fight terrorism.

"We continue to be disturbed and dismayed at indications of the external linkages of terrorist groups with bombings," Manmohan Singh said during the conversation with Pervez Musharraf, according to a press release from his office.

The release also said Singh told Musharraf that "India expects Pakistan to act against terrorism directed at India."

The Pakistani leader had called Singh to express his condolences for the attacks.

At a news conference in Islamabad, Musharraf called the New Delhi bombings a "most dastardly terrorist attack."

"I would like to give the total and unequivocal support from Pakistan in any investigation the Indians would like to carry out," he said.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 11/13/2005 11:29 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [293 views] Top|| File under:

#1  But in a phone call to a news agency in India-controlled Kashmir, the spokesman said his group does not target civilians, AP reported.

And the media gives publicity to this blatant lie.

Posted by: john || 11/13/2005 14:10 Comments || Top||

#2  At a news conference in Islamabad, Musharraf called the New Delhi bombings a "most dastardly terrorist attack."

Taking a leaf from Yesser's (kill & condemn) book.

Posted by: gromgoru || 11/13/2005 15:00 Comments || Top||

Key Delhi blast suspect arrested
Police in the Indian capital Delhi say they have arrested the suspected co-ordinator and financier of last month's deadly bomb blasts in the city. Delhi police chief KK Paul named the man as Tariq Ahmed Dar, and said police were hunting for four accomplices. He said Mr Dar was arrested in Indian-administered Kashmir and belonged to the outlawed Lashkar-e-Taiba militant group. More than 60 people were killed and 210 injured in the 29 October blasts.

A press release issued by the Delhi police said Mr Dar, 33, was the "main co-ordinator, financier and conspirator in these blasts". The release said Mr Dar was a science graduate and worked for a leading Indian company and a magazine in Indian administered Kashmir before joining a militant group. Earlier this month, the army had detained a man in Indian-administered Kashmir in connection with the blasts. But the police said they had not found any evidence against the man after questioning him for two days.

The three blasts in the capital came within minutes of each other when many people were out shopping ahead of the Hindu festival of Diwali and the Muslim Eid celebration. Two of the explosions ripped through the crowded Sarojini Nagar and Paharganj markets. A third exploded on a bus but killed no-one. A previously little-known group called Inqilabi has said it carried out the attacks. Police have not verified the claim. India has suggested "foreign" links, which analysts interpret as Pakistani militants. Islamabad says it has no such evidence.
Posted by: lotp || 11/13/2005 06:55 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [266 views] Top|| File under:

FC personnel and Bugtis exchange fire, take up positions
KANDH KOT: An exchange of fire took place between Frontier Constabulary men and the Bugti tribe in an area between Sui and Dera Bugti on Saturday, creating panic in the area. However no loss of life or property was reported. FC men and Bugti tribesmen are said to have taken up positions in their trenches and security forces have started aerial surveillance of the area. People from the area have started migrating to Kandh Kot.
Posted by: Fred || 11/13/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [258 views] Top|| File under:

Tribal Chief Killed in South Waziristan
Malik Allah Khan, chief of Ahmedzai tribe, was killed in an ambush in Wana market while he was returning home. He died on the spot. Tribal sources said Malik Allah Khan, alias Allahgai, who was an active member of the pro-government Amn (Peace) Committee that backed military operations last year against tribal and foreign militants in Wana, was fired at as he walked home after disembarking from a passenger wagon at his village Oucha Khwara, near Kaloosha, in Azam Warsak area. Armed men, in a car, had chased the wagon before shooting Malik Allah Khan dead before escaping.

Malik Allah Khan, who was returning home from Wana when he was killed, was the 74th pro-government tribal elder to be murdered in South Waziristan. It is widely believed that the militants are behind these killings but no arrests have been made and nobody has been specifically blamed for the attacks.
I mentioned the other night that terrorist activity is down overall in Pakland — no percentage to give, but we have to look longer to find reports of corpses. That doesn't apply to Waziristan, where truculent gunnies are the norm and the ways of the Taliban are the local culture. That's the Bad Guyz' haven and shelter, and we can pretty much guess that they'll be bumping off anyone who's a threat to them first, then anyone who doesn't agree with them. Because the background noise of mindless violence is so loud, we can expect to have a hard time following events which are probably going to prove significant in the coming year or two.
Posted by: Fred || 11/13/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [275 views] Top|| File under:

#1  [Khan] was fired at as he walked home after disembarking from a passenger wagon at his village Oucha Khwara

"Oucha Khwara, our name says it all!"
Posted by: Zenster || 11/13/2005 21:16 Comments || Top||

Taleban Attacks Kill 3
Taleban insurgents killed at least three policemen and wounded eight in separate attacks in Afghanistan, officials said yesterday. The overnight raids were the latest in a series of attacks by Taleban fighters and happened in areas close to the border with Pakistan. Two policemen were killed in an ambush the southern province of Helmand while a senior officer was killed when guerrillas attacked a police headquarters in the southeastern province of Khost, officials said. The police headquarters was partially destroyed in the battle, they said.

Four policemen were wounded in the attack in Khost while four others guarding an Indian firm, involved in a road construction project, were wounded in another Taleban raid in the eastern province of Kunar. No Indian workers were hurt and there was no word on whether the attackers suffered any casualties.

Taleban fighters were also suspected of killing a deputy provincial governor of Nimroz province on Thursday. He was ambushed while traveling from his southern province to attend a conference in Kabul on national reconciliation, a security official said.
Posted by: Fred || 11/13/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [291 views] Top|| File under:

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