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2003-01-17 Axis of Evil

US Forces Order of Battle at GlobalSecurity.org

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Posted by Steve 2003-01-17 10:35 am|| || Front Page|| [3 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 I hate to be a butthead, and I know you are only the messenger, but should GlobalSecurity be publishing this? I was in Army Intelligence (no oxymoron intended)some years back and find this lack of operations security disturbing.

Posted by white-collar redneck 2003-01-17 10:56:34|| 2003-01-17 10:56:34|| Front Page Top

#2 This is all sourced from public records and news media. Not very secret to begin with. Tactical security is far more important and that seems to be holding.
When you tell a guy "Hey, I'm going to hit you with this hammer" you usually show him the hammer.

Posted by Chuck 2003-01-17 10:59:41|| [www.simmins.org] 2003-01-17 10:59:41|| Front Page Top

#3 There is a great deal of good information on the site, but if you try to be quantitative with the data, its gets real fuzzy real fast.

Try and determine the position and disposition of the Carrier Battle Groups and youll quickly see what I mean. Much of the data is very interesting,, but it doesnt always track to AP and UPI reports of troop movements.(My god!, you dont think they are lying about troop movements do you, perish the thought! )

I do find the info interesting, I just try to remember that its not all together accurate, and thats legitmate and expected of a real wartime condition.

Posted by Frank Martin 2003-01-17 11:10:26|| [varifrank.blogspot.com] 2003-01-17 11:10:26|| Front Page Top

#4 I'm not too worried about the "compromises" in this case. I think it's become SOP over the past few wars to cover up leaks by making sure that all the conflicting information there is also gets published, preferably by somebody who pretends to be authoritative.

I think this is part of the psywar, not directed so much at Sammy and his gang, but at the Arabs, to show that we're serious. They're so scared of us going into Iraq and setting up a liberal democracy under a latter-day McArthur that they might end up sending in their own force to take Sammy out. Iraq as anything other than a Third World kleptocracy upsets their regional world view too much. The government Iraq will end up with if they have their way will probably resemble Egypt's or Lebanon's more than it does some regime that has a concept of individual liberty.

Posted by Fred 2003-01-17 11:50:47|| 2003-01-17 11:50:47|| Front Page Top

#5 I wonder if Saddam truly understands what a Carrier is. I'm sure he's seen them on CNN but until you've actually been on one, seen the flight operations, etc, its all too big to grasp. A couple of carriers are even harder to grasp.

Posted by Anonymous 2003-01-17 13:19:12|| 2003-01-17 13:19:12|| Front Page Top

#6 Its funny that you say that about carriers. I have some of my funniest conversations with european friends who dont understand just how big our military is and how small and generally inconsequential theirs is.

Usually the Euros start by saying how much we need their help militarily, then I try to go over the raw numbers ( 10 carrier battle groups, 10 Ohio/2 Seawolf class submarines, 15 assault carriers, a strategic world reaching air force, world circling reconnisance RPV's, ICBM's, and not the least 300,000 pissed off revenge seeking troops and so on) and they stop me and say that they had honestly had no idea that we had that much stuff.

The word from the afghanistan action was that many of our "allies" could not even work with our guys in the field due to the fact that they could not work at night in joint excercies due to a lack of equipment and training with night vision tools.

Posted by Frank Martin 2003-01-17 14:07:41|| [varifrank.blogspot.com] 2003-01-17 14:07:41|| Front Page Top

#7 Not to mention a lack of secure communications equipment. Not sure if that was resolved though.

Posted by Rw 2003-01-18 06:27:23|| 2003-01-18 06:27:23|| Front Page Top

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