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2007-03-29 -Short Attention Span Theater-

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Posted by Thruting Snairt3164 2007-03-29 00:00|| || Front Page|| [6 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 "Partners" > [ANY] MAN/LOVER vs. HUSBAND? HHHHHMMMMMMM, despite this survey MARRIAGE in America is suppposedly in deep trouble???

Posted by JosephMendiola 2007-03-29 00:32|| 2007-03-29 00:32|| Front Page Top

#2 This is something new? A stray fact: One of the more humiliating aspects (as opposed to truly serious ones) of the Nazi Holocaust was that, for many of those taken to the concentration camps, stripping for the selection exam was the first time they were unclothed in front of another since they'd been old enough to bathe alone. And it was Queen Victoria who advised her daughters to close their eyes and think of England; one somehow doesn't suspect her of prancing around in front of her husband wearing nothing but the crown and a happy smile.

Posted by trailing wife 2007-03-29 09:10|| 2007-03-29 09:10|| Front Page Top

#3 Yeah but that mental image gave me my first good laugh of the day TW. Thanks!

Posted by ryuge 2007-03-29 11:12|| 2007-03-29 11:12|| Front Page Top

#4 This needs two things to be compelte:
First: the dancing fat naked chicks,
and second ( steel wool alert) The mental picture of Rosie NOT being in the shy group.....

Posted by USN, Ret. 2007-03-29 14:26|| 2007-03-29 14:26|| Front Page Top

#5 USN Ret, now ya' went and ruined the whole image for me (not, I can easily erase the image of that thing from my mind).

The wearing of clothing by humans is a comparatively recent evelopment as is the notion that nakedness is a sin. It dates back less than 6 thousand years and exists primarily in Judea-Christian cultures. You do not find a similar nakedness taboo in other cultures, particularly for children or adults of a certain age outside their own home or within a restricted social order.

Nakedness could be said to be more in line with a human beings' "more natural" sense of walking around in a comfortable environment. Clothing and coverings can be, I believe, conclusively shown to have been adaptations to early hominids' environmental conditions - if you're cold, and you can kill something that has fur, you claim its fur to help keep you warm, etc., etc.

Other "environmental" factors also entered the equation as hominids developed such as the desire to protect one's softer and mor vulnerable areas from such things as prickly thorns or rough branches snapping back whilst moving through the woods on a hunt, not to mention figuring out ways to protect ones' more sensitive areas from biting jaws, slashing claws, and simply the ever-present bugs and mosquitoes that abounded in our early evolutionary development (and still do BTW).

And then there's the whole deal of protecting one's vulnerable areas from ones' enemies when they're throwing rocks or more dangerous weapons.

Clothing developed from a need for protection. Anti-nudity morality developed from misguided religiosity. Nudity is recognized in many locations in the Bible and it is not generally condemned therein except where inappropriate.

I can almost guarantee you that Jesus Christ went nude at times, especially as a child, and almost certainly as a man when amongst his kinfolk men and apostles at baths and such.

Victorian principles so warped our perceptions of morality that we can hardly recognize who and what we are any more.

The clothed state is not man's natural state (and that comes from someone who has as much a moral and ethical adversity to going around nude as anyone else).

Note that I specifically left Islam out of the mix as I consider Islam to be a warped and twisted homogenization of religious ideologies and cult-like behavior, not a true culture.

Posted by FOTSGreg">FOTSGreg 2007-03-29 18:48|| www.fire-on-the-suns.com]">[www.fire-on-the-suns.com] 2007-03-29 18:48|| Front Page Top

#6 BTW, by the notation "less than 6 thousand years", I mean, in general, in our modern culture's thought patterns. I am fully aware that humans have been around for at least 200+ thousand years (along with Neanderthals till somewhere around 30-50 thousand years ago) and probably longer, and that recent findings in hominid evolution push our hominid ancestry back to beyond the 2-1/2 to 3 million year period commonly referenced in anthropology texts (probably at least doubling it).

Posted by FOTSGreg">FOTSGreg 2007-03-29 18:54|| www.fire-on-the-suns.com]">[www.fire-on-the-suns.com] 2007-03-29 18:54|| Front Page Top

#7 FOTS, before you tee off on the Victorian era, you need a little education as to why it happened.

The Victorian era, as any medical historian knows, was a response to widespread and devastating syphilis which explorers brought back from the Americas and really started rampaging through Europe in the late 1600's until, well, the Victorian era.

When seen in this light, Victorian morals were far from "warped" but were a sane and rational approach to creating a society where this awful ailment (at the time pretty much incurable) could be curtailed. It has even been suggested that Victorian morality may be Africa's inevitable and best respone to its own raging HIV epidemic.

The clothed state may not be the natural state, but neither are large urban areas with prostitutes and polymorous sex and horrible incurable STD's. The Victorians certainly seem to be overboard from our 2007 perspective, but given the times in which they lived, they made some good sense.

Posted by no mo uro 2007-03-29 22:15|| 2007-03-29 22:15|| Front Page Top

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