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2021-04-12 -Obits-

Lee Hart dies at 85: The betrayed wife stood by her husband Gary Hart as his 1987 presidential campaign collapsed when his affair with model Donna Rice was exposed and they remained together until the end

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Posted by Skidmark 2021-04-12 00:57|| || Front Page|| [6 views ] Top

#1 Back when there were still real liberals in the party and had a traditional concept of conscience. Talk about ancient history.

Posted by Procopius2k 2021-04-12 07:41|| 2021-04-12 07:41|| Front Page Top

#2 He didn't have an affair with Donna Rice. That story was just the least worst alternative to having to explain the phone call from his senate office to a very specific location in Grenada immediately after his committee was briefed about the immanent invasion shortly after midnight.

At that point the 82nd and Rangers were in the air, it being surmised by the Reagan administration correctly that they couldn't trust senators and their staff with classified information. After said phone call a Soviet style anti aircraft quad 12.7 was moved.

For the first time in 18 months.

In the middle of the night.

Thus pouring fire into the first C 141 and causing the remainder to wave off and come back in at 400'. Oh, the first sticks of Rangers were also stranded in place until the aircraft coordinated and came back around.

Gary Hart? That's only the tip of a very brown iceberg.

Posted by Cesare 2021-04-12 09:33|| 2021-04-12 09:33|| Front Page Top

#3 ^Supporting evidence?

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2021-04-12 09:52|| 2021-04-12 09:52|| Front Page Top

#4 Urgent Fury: U.S. Special Operations Forces in Grenada, 1983

Posted by Skidmark 2021-04-12 12:16|| 2021-04-12 12:16|| Front Page Top

#5 A Czechoslovakian made Quad 12.7 mm M53 anti-aircraft machine gun seized by US military personnel during Operation URGENT FURY

Posted by Skidmark 2021-04-12 12:36|| 2021-04-12 12:36|| Front Page Top

#6 ^To Gary Hart's involvement.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2021-04-12 12:44|| 2021-04-12 12:44|| Front Page Top

#7 Operation Urgent Fury and Its Critics

Posted by Skidmark 2021-04-12 13:16|| 2021-04-12 13:16|| Front Page Top

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Posted by g(r)omgoru 2021-04-12 13:38|| 2021-04-12 13:38|| Front Page Top

#9 #7 The piece refers to the study commissioned by the group that was led by Hart, the Senate's "military reform" caucus. They asked Michael Lind to prepare the report that Dan Bolger* analyzed and critiqued superbly in this paper.

FYI "military reform" was Hart's #1 issue during his career. It was touted in the early 1980s by what was called the "neoliberal" wing of the Democratic Party. That movement, the precursor to Clinton and Tony Blair's "Third Way" politics of the 1990s, produced a new generation of Democratic politicians who rejected the old union-based leadership-- Ivy League educated young centrists such as Senators Bill Bradley, Al Gore, Paul Tsongas and centrist governors such as Birch Bayh, Mike Dukakis and Bill Clinton.

* Dan Bolger is today a superb teacher and professor of Soviet and Russian History at NC State. Delighted to find this superb analysis by a young ex-paratrooper and U Chicago grad student who went on have a distinguished career as a scholar and teacher.

Thank you, Skidmark!

Posted by Sliper Bumble4716 2021-04-12 13:51|| 2021-04-12 13:51|| Front Page Top

#10 #7,9 The piece refers to the study commissioned by the group that was led by Hart

See, it wasn't hard to say so.

p.s. "Hart disapproved afterward" =/= "Hart warned the enemy"

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2021-04-12 13:55|| 2021-04-12 13:55|| Front Page Top

#11 Fine, your point's made. It's an intriguing theory. Agree that I'd like to see more evidence.

Posted by Menhadden Ulorong5947 2021-04-12 14:37|| 2021-04-12 14:37|| Front Page Top

#12 Nowdays Politicians don't need to warning their allies - they have the press to do it for them. Leak it from an 'anonymous source'...

Posted by CrazyFool 2021-04-12 15:07|| 2021-04-12 15:07|| Front Page Top

#13 Though no specific sources were given for the report, Lind remarked that he had garnered much of his information from paying close attention at various officers’ clubs. Sounds like ease dropping, or espionage.
There were issues, some big. Comms was terrible, the 82d had their combat CEOI locked in the safe so they went with the training one. Services had issues communicating as well. With that we must remember the US military was less than 10 years out of Viet-Nam. We had not invaded in a combined Arms effort in a long time. The military was going through a transformation, Blackhawks were relatively new and we had stableator issues causing a two aircraft crash. All things considered, it was very successful. It could have been worse. We learned a lot from this event, lessons that carried into the Gulf War.

Posted by 49 Pan 2021-04-12 15:42|| 2021-04-12 15:42|| Front Page Top

#14 Well g(r)omgoru, I sincerely doubt I can tell you anything that will suffice. It certainly would not for me from some guy in internet discussion.

As generically as I can put it, I heard from 4 discreet individual sources that that this was the case. This was post invasion and prior to the senator's unhappy boating trip. 1-3 specifically mentioned the post briefing, post midnight call to Grenada. They also mentioned he was being offered a way out, just as long as out really meant out.

The 4th had knowledge through a boyfriend of the way out, kinetic aspect of the deal but was uninterested in the which of the why of it all.

To my knowledge and the way they all stated it none were involved, and professionally would not have had any reason. But from my acquaintance it was credible that 1-3 would know about this kind of thing at the time. 4 was a complete outlier, somebody I grew up with who was unaware of the Grenada aspect and although fragmented the rest of her story dove tailed with the first 3.

What I cannot do is put you there in the moment or provide longer relationships with any of these people that might remotely provide credibility to what they said. Large parts of what they said, including specific verbiage came very much to pass, in very much the way they had said it would.

Posted by Cesare 2021-04-12 16:58|| 2021-04-12 16:58|| Front Page Top

#15 Spy vs Spy inside baseball aside, Swillary stuck by her man too, and she's still PO'ed about what a waste of time that was.

Posted by M. Murcek 2021-04-12 17:20|| 2021-04-12 17:20|| Front Page Top

#16 #14 It's a lot easier, for me, to believe that a pol (they're all oversexed anyway) had an affair, and the missus forgave him, than outright cooperation with the enemy.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2021-04-12 17:36|| 2021-04-12 17:36|| Front Page Top

#17 With that we must remember the US military was less than 10 years out of Viet-Nam.

Hell, 7^2, you'll believe that IDF is some sort of supermen army - but, I could tell you stories that would make your hair go white (unless it's that already - we are a bunch of old duffers here. Except for our lady, of course.)

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2021-04-12 17:41|| 2021-04-12 17:41|| Front Page Top

#18 Hillary Clinton is a very-multi multimillionaire or billionaire, and has worked as a senator, secretary of state, and presidential candidate while her husband, the former president, arranged speaking engagements and meetings for both of them... not to mention overly lucrative work for their more moderately talented daughter. Ms Clinton has been amply recompensed for standing by her man.

Posted by trailing wife 2021-04-12 17:42|| 2021-04-12 17:42|| Front Page Top

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