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2010-04-23 Home Front: WoT

The murder of rancher Bob Krentz - Be advised, this is UNCONFIRMED reporting.

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Posted by Besoeker 2010-04-23 11:49|| || Front Page|| [6 views ] Top

#1 The governor could change the entire equation by instituting a relatively low cost solution: a bounty.

It is simplicity itself. Offer citizens say, $50 a day and $20 a head to radio report in when they observe suspected illegals in the border area. The citizens are given half a dozen rotating radio frequencies that are monitored, and a five digit daily code identifier.

Then they go out into the desert and are assigned an observation point. When they call in, they use a simple format to describe what they see. And if the suspected illegals are detained, and shown to be illegal, then the observer gets credited an automatic amount to their account.

Even better, observers can work as a group, with some members providing support and others spotting, and they get paid as a group.

There would likely be some requirements, like observers having at least two people on an OP, that one or both be armed, and that they carry or have available to them suitable water, and be certified for desert survival.

But right now, with high unemployment, $50 a day and $20 a head sounds like very good money, especially if you get a high traffic area, but costs just a fraction of the amount a National Guardsman or a uniformed officer costs.

As needed, I could even imagine erecting some armored observation towers, somewhat like the military use in Iraq and Afghanistan, over ground that is more flat. They have a very good field of observation.

Posted by Anonymoose 2010-04-23 13:02|| 2010-04-23 13:02|| Front Page Top

#2 the faulty assumption here moose is that the Govt wants to do anything about this. a solved problem doesn't bring in Fed dollars or require ongoing legislation that keeps the lobbyist gravy train rolling. how would the local publicity whores get on the TV if the problem went away?

no an actual solution is the last thing those guys want.

Posted by abu do you love 2010-04-23 13:07|| 2010-04-23 13:07|| Front Page Top

#3 The Border Patrol is afraid of starting a small war between civilians here and the drug cartels in Mexico.

Maybe that should be allowed to happen. Declare open season on all varmints. Pay bounty. End of problem.

Posted by JohnQC 2010-04-23 13:16|| 2010-04-23 13:16|| Front Page Top

#4 Possibly supply TARP funds for ranchers to purchase Barrett 50 cals.

Posted by JohnQC 2010-04-23 13:18|| 2010-04-23 13:18|| Front Page Top

#5 It's obvious that neither party wants to touch this toxic mess, for the following reasons:

a) the status quo offers significant benefits to both Tweedledum and Tweedledee: 'dum wants cheap labor to drive wages down, and 'dee wants a lock on the fast-growing and soon-to-be-dominant (in the SW) latino vote;

b) neither 'dum nor 'dee has any clue how to deal with the core problem, which is that we have an open border with a failing state;

c) even if a) and b) were not true, neither 'dum nor 'dee has the will to fix what's broken. Any real solution will be socially difficult, extremely expensive, and will consume significant bandwidth, both in terms of law enforcement resources and federal funds, at a time when neither 'dum nor 'dee wants distractions from the economic, HC and Afghan war fronts.

Thus are great nations brought low.

Posted by lex 2010-04-23 13:34|| 2010-04-23 13:34|| Front Page Top

#6 Hm. How much for the actual head, Moose?

Posted by Woozle Ebbunter3968 2010-04-23 14:03|| 2010-04-23 14:03|| Front Page Top

#7 b) neither 'dum nor 'dee ~~has any clue~~ is interested in how to deal with the core problem, which is that we have an open border with a failing state;

Fixed it for you, lex dear. It can't be that they haven't a clue, because the answer is inherent in the statement of the problem. Closing the border would make dealing with the problems on our side relatively trivial. And really, something that could be handled at the state/local level if the feds would consent to get out of the way.

Anonymoose, your solution doesn't rely on a bad economy to work. Even in good times the locals would be happy to get a bit of a payment for doing something they'd mostly be happy to do anyway, if only they wouldn't get arrested for it.

Posted by trailing wife 2010-04-23 14:15|| 2010-04-23 14:15|| Front Page Top

#8 Dum and Dee need to be defenestrated.

Posted by OldSpook 2010-04-23 14:50|| 2010-04-23 14:50|| Front Page Top

#9 abu et. al: This is why I said governor, not government. Right now the AZ legislature is very feisty, and even in tight budget times would be more than happy to set up a system like this.

Since the Border Patrol will probably be ordered to go back to "catch and release", what the State would probably do is set up a Joe Arpaio style tent jail near the border, then hold them on trespassing charges, then boot them back into Mexico ourselves.

Posted by Anonymoose 2010-04-23 16:04|| 2010-04-23 16:04|| Front Page Top

#10 AZ gov is announcing right now that she is signing the bill (SB10) and directing AZ peace officers to be trained to properly enforce it. Live video at foxnews.com .

The restaurant where I just ate lunch showed huge crowds protesting. But she's gonna sign anyway.

"We must acknowledge the truth," she says.

Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2010-04-23 16:40|| 2010-04-23 16:40|| Front Page Top

#11 That's SB1070.

Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2010-04-23 16:44|| 2010-04-23 16:44|| Front Page Top

#12 This explains why John McCain suddenly became anti-Illegal-Immigration, when all along he was for it. He knows this WILL cost him re-election if it gets out.

Posted by Andy Angineling8252 2010-04-23 17:29|| 2010-04-23 17:29|| Front Page Top

#13 Don't buy Barrett's, buy McMillan's.

TAC-50's; MUCH more accurate, reliable, and the new 'special' recoil-absorbing ones kick like .308's (albeit slightly 'heavy' .308's). Plus, they are local (Phoenix, AZ). Call Ryan McMillan, they are his babies.

And God knows I think very highly of Ronnie Barrett.

Posted by Whiskey Mike 2010-04-23 17:37|| 2010-04-23 17:37|| Front Page Top

#14 Good information. We are talking a serious firearm and a sticker shock price ($6000-$7000 or so). Somehow I don't see TARP funds being provided by this administration. A good 0.308 might be sufficient for ranch protection. Still don't see TARP funds being made available. When you start talking long range rifles, one has trouble selling the weapon as being a self-defense weapon--unless of course you are being shot at with similar weapons.

Posted by JohnQC 2010-04-23 18:51|| 2010-04-23 18:51|| Front Page Top

#15 Rem 700 Sendero II in .300 RUM

Posted by M. Murcek 2010-04-23 21:19|| 2010-04-23 21:19|| Front Page Top

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