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2006-05-29 Syria-Lebanon-Iran

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Posted by ryuge 2006-05-29 02:50|| || Front Page|| [11126 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Solution is expand Israel.

Posted by JFM">JFM 2006-05-29 04:50|| 2006-05-29 04:50|| Front Page Top

#2 By supplying the rockets to Hezbollah, Iran effectively and publicly declares conventional war on Israel an any response Israel makes is well with in international law and is fully justified.

Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2006-05-29 06:27|| 2006-05-29 06:27|| Front Page Top

#3 Oh, they'll stop just short of putting their names on the damned things and publicly claiming responsibility (until Israel is destroyed, of course). And the leftists and those who apologize for Islamofascism will insist they are innocent until proven guilty (and thereafter as well).

I wonder to what degree we will be able to apply norms of international law in any way during the next 20-30 years or so.

Posted by lotp 2006-05-29 06:51|| 2006-05-29 06:51|| Front Page Top

#4 IMO, eventually, all the Sykes-Picot follies will have to go.

Posted by gromgoru 2006-05-29 07:30|| 2006-05-29 07:30|| Front Page Top

#5 norms of international law

As ever, honored in the breach.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-05-29 07:51|| 2006-05-29 07:51|| Front Page Top

#6 Gosh, wasn't it just a couple of weeks ago that the Hez leadership was solemnly informing us that they weren't Tehran's lackeys?

Posted by mrp 2006-05-29 12:11|| 2006-05-29 12:11|| Front Page Top

#7 "Hezbollah Rockets Can Reach Tel Aviv"

And the IDF can reach Beirut.

But enough of the puppet. The IDF can also reach Damascus.

Posted by Barbara Skolaut"> Barbara Skolaut 2006-05-29 12:22|| http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/page/15bk1/Home_Page.html]">[http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/page/15bk1/Home_Page.html] 2006-05-29 12:22|| Front Page Top

#8 ISRAELI NUKES CAN REACH TEHRAN. dumbasses.

Posted by Scooter McGruder 2006-05-29 12:32|| 2006-05-29 12:32|| Front Page Top

#9 The rockets, carrying warheads of 600 kilograms (1325 lbs) have a range of 200 kilomters (125 miles)

Quite doubtful.
Something in this class is a true ballistic missile, most likely using liquid fuel.
The quoted range is greater than a SCUD-A

Hezbollah doesn't have the technical capability to handle such a thing.

Not to mention the fact that these types of missiles have a long vehicle train - the TEL vehicle, the command vehicle, the fuel storage tankers etc.
Something impossible to hide from the israeli air force.

Posted by john 2006-05-29 16:24|| 2006-05-29 16:24|| Front Page Top

#10 Hezbollah's Strategic Rocket Arsenal (Nov 2002)
Last month, the London Sunday Times reported that Iran has deployed Zelzal-2 "ballistic missiles" in Lebanon, capable of "carrying half a ton of chemical or conventional warheads as far as Tel Aviv."9 However, the paper's sensationalist reporting on Mideast military topics does not have a very accurate track record, particularly when it cites unnamed defense sources. The Zelzal-2, in any case, is not a missile, but a 610mm heavy artillery rocket with a 1323 lb (600 kg) payload and range of 130 miles (210 km). The rocket wouldn't quite be able to hit Tel Aviv unless launched from easily-detectable positions straddling the border, but would nevertheless pose an enormous threat to Israeli population centers.

In addition: However, it also includes several hundred 240-mm Fajr-3 rockets and 333-mm Fajr-5 rockets. The Fajr-3, with a range of 25 miles (40 km), and the Fajr-5, with a range of range of 45 miles (72 km), each carry a 200-lb warhead and can be launched from vehicles, making them relatively easy to move and conceal. The Fajr-5 would allow Hezbollah to hit targets south of Haifa, a range that covers about a third of Israel's population, around half of its industry, and its main oil refinery.

Posted by ed 2006-05-29 16:43|| 2006-05-29 16:43|| Front Page Top

#11 The Zelzal-2 is apparently a locally produced version of the Luna-M [NATO name FROG-7] missile with a launcher based on the MB LA-911 truck chassis.

Posted by john 2006-05-29 16:47|| 2006-05-29 16:47|| Front Page Top

#12 The 8.3 meter-long rocket has a range that is variously estimated at between 100km to 400km, though 200km is the most widely quoted estimate and 100km is the most likely estimate based on the performance of the Soviet missile.

Also

The FROG-7 is a short-range, road mobile, solid propellant unguided rocket designed for use on the battlefield. The name FROG comes from NATO, which designated it early on as the Free-Rocket-Over-Ground.

The FROG is an unguided missile, essentially a long-range artillery system. The angle and direction of the launch are the primary determinant of where the rocket will land. The accuracy of the launch depends upon the ability of the rocket to fly straight. As the early rocket systems were unstable, they possessed extremely poor accuracy and required nuclear warheads to compensate. The main drawback of the FROG is that its range is insufficient to effectively engage strategic targets, as conventional forces would most likely intercept the launchers before they could move within range.

Posted by john 2006-05-29 16:49|| 2006-05-29 16:49|| Front Page Top

#13 When has anyone in Gaza or Lebanon ever fired on Israel and come out ahead in the exchange? They would probably do better just exploding them where they sit.

Posted by Darrell 2006-05-29 18:33|| 2006-05-29 18:33|| Front Page Top

#14 One googled source on the FROG-7 gives a maximum speed of 1200m/s, ie 2600 mph.

If they fire something like that at Israel, they aren't going to have much time to react. They may have to assume the worst...

Posted by Tony (UK) 2006-05-29 18:49|| 2006-05-29 18:49|| Front Page Top

#15 Like any artillery system, it is vulnerable to counter battery fire.
Locating radar will point out the Frog-7 launch sites and Israeli MLRS and F-16s will take them out.

Posted by john 2006-05-29 18:56|| 2006-05-29 18:56|| Front Page Top

#16 Of course, worst case is htat it's actually a Fateh A-110, which is a guided version of the Zelzal. It has a GPS guidance package with a predicted CEP of 100 m.

If I remember my FM 100-2 series, the FROGs were supposed to be used in massed fires with chemical agents against operational targets. The persistent agents would be used in areas that the Soviets didn't plan on traversing later, while the less persistent agents would be used in areas that the Soviets did plan on fighting through. Accuracy for those tactics wasn't that important. You just needed to land in the same grid square to have an effect on target. It was classic Soviet industrial scale, get a bigger hammer style warfare.

Posted by 11A5S 2006-05-29 19:35|| 2006-05-29 19:35|| Front Page Top

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