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2010-05-07 Home Front: WoT

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Posted by ryuge 2010-05-07 08:58|| || Front Page|| [1 views ] Top

#1 The simple rule (should) apply: In the US, you Mirandize. Outside of the US, you do not, unless they are a US citizen on US soil, such as a US embassy or ship, or belong to the US military.

(If they are military, the come under UCMJ Article 31, and given a branch "rights" document to sign, which in the Army is DA Form 3881.)

However, federal judges are omnivorous as far as any possible jurisdiction goes, and always leap at the chance to butt in, and have since Thomas Jefferson's time. They have long itched to have control over any prisoners of the US military, and to treat them as common criminals.

Posted by Anonymoose 2010-05-07 09:53|| 2010-05-07 09:53|| Front Page Top

#2 Agree with Moose. As I said yesterday, I want a firewall against taking away the rights of American citizens.

Shahzad is an American citizen. That he shouldn't have been granted citizenship is a mistake that can't be corrected now. He's an American. He gets Miranda, a lawyer and a fair trial.

Giving politicians the right to strip citizenship or do away with Miranda is contagious -- like eating a big dish of ice cream, they're not going to stop, and they're going to come back for more.

We need to maintain the firewall.

Posted by Steve White 2010-05-07 11:40|| 2010-05-07 11:40|| Front Page Top

#3 OK let me toss the grenade into the room here. First, we do not need to mirandize him. It is not a requirement to do this, hold hold. If we do not mirandize him, any information gained can not be used against him in court. So lets interrogate him and get the needed intell for the war. When we get what we need mirandize him and question him in relation to just his single act.

Posted by 49 Pan 2010-05-07 12:06|| 2010-05-07 12:06|| Front Page Top

#4 When we get what we need mirandize him and question him in relation to just his single act
Apply that logic to some scum like Gary Ridgeway and what is your response?
As despicable as terrorists are and what they stand for, to manipulate the system as suggested is only one step away from some dictatorship.
'Moose nails it. short, sweet.

Posted by USN, Ret. 2010-05-07 14:27|| 2010-05-07 14:27|| Front Page Top

#5 Dictatorship is a bit harsh there. There is no manipulation of the law here. The intent of the law is to protect the person from authorities extracting information to be used agaist him in court. Everuthing gained would not be admissable. But our OGA's could certainly use it in Afghan or Jordan to help them with their targeting of camps and terrorists.

Posted by 49 Pan 2010-05-07 14:39|| 2010-05-07 14:39|| Front Page Top

#6 With Moose and Steve. Tread lightly here. We have something uniquely precious. Don't take chances with it.

Posted by lex 2010-05-07 16:23|| 2010-05-07 16:23|| Front Page Top

#7 "Shahzad is an American citizen. That he shouldn't have been granted citizenship is a mistake that can't be corrected now."

Why not, Steve?

It isn't like he born here and has no place else to go. Why can't (after due process, of course) we revoke his naturalization? After he finishes his prison sentence (if he ever does), he should be stripped of his gift of citizenship and deported back to that land he apparently loves so much (and whose habit of murdering infidels he never gave up).

He's a sleeper, and a traitor.

Posted by Barbara Skolaut 2010-05-07 17:21|| 2010-05-07 17:21|| Front Page Top

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