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2006-06-02 Iraq

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Posted by Dan Darling 2006-06-02 00:51|| || Front Page|| [11126 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 I suspect this is something he has to do given the blowback he's catchin. He knows the country goes to much deeper shit the minute the Coaltion leaves.

This so-called massacre is a ruse, a set-up by Zarq and the Iraqi insurgents. They know how to use the blowhorn MSM.

Posted by Captain America 2006-06-02 01:09|| 2006-06-02 01:09|| Front Page Top

#2 Seems they find 20 or 30 bodies every day in Iraq. Who are they? Once, they were almost exclusively Shia - whacked by the Zarqi types. But since the Shia took control after Allawi, the "police", in particular, and military have been used as death squads and the victims are as likely to be Sunnis, now.

The Shia parties, SCIRI et al, are running things, and will be for good - unless Iraq is partitioned. Sistani's either in collusion with Tehran, or he's an addled imbecile. These are his guys. Jaafari and Maliki - no difference. The farce of replacing Jaafari with Maliki and the absurd trumpeting of him as an "effective" leader and now progress would be forthcoming was high comedy.

The south is controlled by the Shia militias. It's a complete cock-up. Teheran's dream come true.

Elsewhere, through Jabr's term running the Interior Ministry "under" Jaafari, which controls the "police", we had, and still have, the death squads. He kept the externally-trained police, real policemen relatively speaking, out of the force, out of the way. And the deaths continue apace. Discovery of this fact changed nothing - now he gets to suborn the Finance Ministry for the Mullahs. Why is he still favored with a Ministry post? Because Maliki, Sistani, and the gang want it that way, approved of his subversion, and are in league.

For Maliki to make hay out of Haditha is farce, but it will help create the MSM-desired meme, the Iraqi My Lai meme they've salivated for these last 3 years. In the majority, in control, the big Shia dogs would love it if the US pulled out - as long as we continued to put $ on the line to rebuild this shithole - and provide them something to skim. They're the hand-selected govt of the Mullahs, what else could we expect?

This entire exercise has gone downhill since Allawi, PR aside. Considering the devastating first-hand info that Verlaine in Iraq posted this week, we've dropped the ball and seem content to play it out a bit longer before drawing down. It stinks of political schemes, both here and there, and completely forgets and mocks the good people who have made the ultimate sacrifice in this effort.

The noises about cleaning up Ramadi certainly must appeal to Maliki & Co - it'll be Sunnis who do most of the dying. Given where we are now, the senior military's reluctance to do it right, as Verlaine pointed out, I consider it to be more than a waste - US soldiers will die in some number, and one death for this political farce is too many.

Personally, I have become disgusted with the entire enterprise over the last 6 months or so. Before the Shia took over, I had hope. Since then, it has been dashed.

Partition. At least the Kurds are worthy of our effort. Fuck the Arabs. Fuck the politicians, here, there, and everywhere. Fuck the military leadership, US and UK, who apparently have become politicians in uniform. Fuck them all. I wouldn't trust the lot of them to do the right thing, much less for the right reasons. Those who have served and, particularly, those who have died, deserve so much more, so much better.

Posted by Sniting Chereck4226 2006-06-02 01:59|| 2006-06-02 01:59|| Front Page Top

#3 I'm sorry the post was so long and poorly constructed - it's late. :)

Posted by Sniting Chereck4226 2006-06-02 02:07|| 2006-06-02 02:07|| Front Page Top

#4 Sniting Chereck: Fuck the military leadership, US and UK, who apparently have become politicians in uniform. Fuck them all. I wouldn't trust the lot of them to do the right thing, much less for the right reasons.

Does your attitude encompass 100% of our military leadership, or would you grant that some small portion, at least 5%, still deserve our respect?

Also, what ranks should be fucked? Colonels and above? Majors and above? Please clarify.

Posted by Mike Sylwester 2006-06-02 03:23|| 2006-06-02 03:23|| Front Page Top

#5 Hmmm. It seems to me, Mike Sylwester, that Sniting Chereck4226 was quite explicit in identifying them as those "who apparently have become politicians in uniform."

Since it's obvious you disagree, please, do present your case, point by point, refuting the post. I thought SC hit some very valid points, though I don't agree so much with his total disappointment. I think you're a troll, and not a clever one at that, since your reading comprehension is so poor. Please clarify.

Posted by Ulart Thomotch5445 2006-06-02 04:49|| 2006-06-02 04:49|| Front Page Top

#6 All this leaves me very pissed off at Bush and his "advisors" both military and cvilian. The cut and run Dems and the seditious MSM will play this out for every bit it's worth. My NYT daily Email arrived and this was the lead story.

Just freeking wonderful. Iran has a full hand to play and GWB once again appears to not be able to find his ass with both hands let alone his cards. There are some major failures here Plenty are political, some of them are military, some are with intel. Those responsible need to go, now. It may be part of the reason Goss was cut lose too.

Stupid SOBs.

Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2006-06-02 04:51|| 2006-06-02 04:51|| Front Page Top

#7 Ulart Thomotch5445: Sniting Chereck4226 was quite explicit in identifying them as those "who apparently have become politicians in uniform."

Could you name some particular members of our country's military leaders "who apparently have become politicians in uniform" and therefore should be fucked?

Or else could you describe some characteristics of the military opinions and advice of such US military leaders who should be fucked? How should we know specifically which US military leaders should be fucked?

Posted by Mike Sylwester 2006-06-02 07:25|| 2006-06-02 07:25|| Front Page Top

#8 Mikey's back!!! heh

Posted by lotp 2006-06-02 08:34|| 2006-06-02 08:34|| Front Page Top

#9 How shall I fuck off, O Lord?

Posted by mcsegeek1 2006-06-02 08:44|| 2006-06-02 08:44|| Front Page Top

#10 Mikey - Had you come here to actually learn or discuss, you could begin with Gen Chiarelli. He fits the bill.

But that's not why you're here.

Given your single-mindedly goofy posts, you've come to demonstrate you're still the same pointless insipid cunt that .com identified you to be long ago.

Congratulations, you've succeeded.

Posted by old timer 2006-06-02 08:52|| 2006-06-02 08:52|| Front Page Top

#11 That's an insult to cunts.

Posted by anon 2006-06-02 08:55|| 2006-06-02 08:55|| Front Page Top

#12 How's the paranoid gig going?

Posted by Jack Rubenstein 2006-06-02 09:00|| 2006-06-02 09:00|| Front Page Top

#13 MS bangs the UN drum in 5...4...3...

Posted by SR-71 2006-06-02 09:13|| 2006-06-02 09:13|| Front Page Top

#14 Note that Mikey still employs the same kiddie gambit of trying to set the agenda - "Address my strawman!". He was challenged to refute the post's substance. He bravely ran away.

Still the same asshole who was justly banned for his inability to actually debate anyone or contribute anything meaningful or germane.

Posted by Throluting Thravimble3768 2006-06-02 09:22|| 2006-06-02 09:22|| Front Page Top

#15 captain America is right.

Maliki could hardly do anything less than this and retain credibility at home. Hes our ally, not our puppet, and its time we had the maturity not to expect our allies to act like our puppets.

His first step was NOT ramadi, but to make a move on the militias in Basra. How serious that move is has yet to be seen, and much will depend on who he picks for Interior Minister on Sunday.

Posted by liberalhawk 2006-06-02 09:35|| 2006-06-02 09:35|| Front Page Top

#16 Mikey's gotta hard-on over more accusations of American war crimes. At least he's predictable.

Posted by Rob Crawford">Rob Crawford 2006-06-02 09:39|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2006-06-02 09:39|| Front Page Top

#17 LH, yep, Maliki is walking the political tight rope over there between looking down the road and dealing w/the extremists in his own backyard.

Welcome back Mike. I think it was apparent he is ranting and using some hyperbole to express a figurative point - though that's just me. Truth be told I like an honest disenting devil's advocate - but that's only if someone is here to actually do that effectively instead of nitpicking and doing the ole grab/twist/pull ala old Aris.

Posted by Broadhead6 2006-06-02 10:24|| 2006-06-02 10:24|| Front Page Top

#18 Spike returns - like the Herpes boil - erupting at times when he can tell us how superior the UN is and how bad everyone else is. Asshat. Your blue helmet buggery won't fly ...still.

Posted by Frank G 2006-06-02 11:09|| 2006-06-02 11:09|| Front Page Top

#19 Is Jihad BunDone in our future?

Posted by 6 2006-06-02 12:13|| 2006-06-02 12:13|| Front Page Top

#20 Well this certainly could be a turning point for US involvement. We are going to get hammered on this and now the jihadis are going to be able to make claim after claim about "atrocities" and the media will just lap it up.

I read Iraq the Model yesterday and he was claiming that Sunni harboyz are trying to enforce Sharia on multiple neighborhoods within Bagdhad. If you wear short pants, for example, you get shot in the legs. Course the F*ckin BBC won't cover that. Yes, I admit I am getting tired of this shit and am wondering more and more whether the lives of our brave men and women are worth risking trying to make something of this Arab shithole. I hope that I am wrong.

Posted by remoteman 2006-06-02 13:08|| 2006-06-02 13:08|| Front Page Top

#21 "~~Flea bitten range bums~~ folks like Mikey don't usually stop in ~~Lago~~ Rantburg. Life here's a little to quick for 'em."

Posted by mcsegeek1 2006-06-02 13:26|| 2006-06-02 13:26|| Front Page Top

#22 "...and much will depend on who he picks for Interior Minister on Sunday."

LH, Perhaps an understatment but spot on nontheless.

Posted by DepotGuy 2006-06-02 14:14|| 2006-06-02 14:14|| Front Page Top

#23 Sadly, the "rules" say the Interior must go to a Shia and Defense to a Sunni.

Wonderful qualifications specs. So f'n f'd.

Posted by Throluting Thravimble3768 2006-06-02 14:17|| 2006-06-02 14:17|| Front Page Top

#24 23,

I dont see what thats such a big deal. Im old enough to remember when a citywide ticket in NY had to include the 3 i's - Italy, Ireland, and Israel. When people kept track of the number of Catholics in US cabinet. And when there was one (but only one) "jewish seat" on SCOTUS.

It doesnt mean you cant get qualified people, and it doesnt mean youre not a democracy (of course Felix Frankfurter was heckuva lot better than Abe Fortas :) )

Posted by liberalhawk 2006-06-02 16:52|| 2006-06-02 16:52|| Front Page Top

#25
"Sniting Chereck4226"

.com? Is that you? Come on, don't be shy!

-M

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