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2020-06-04 -Lurid Crime Tales-
Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison is increasing charges against Derek Chauvin to 2nd degree murder
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Posted by Fred 2020-06-04 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11131 views ]  Top

#1 What’s the difference between 2nd degree murder and 3rd degree?

Fahrenheit vs Kelvin.

Not a lawyer, but near as I can tell, in Minnesota 1st degree murder is premeditated, 2nd degree is you did it on a whim, and 3rd degree is felony murder - someone died while you were busy being felonious.
Posted by SteveS 2020-06-04 01:12||   2020-06-04 01:12|| Front Page Top

#2 But if the overreach blow up in his face, Ellison will just throw an assistant or two under the bus.
Posted by M. Murcek 2020-06-04 06:35||   2020-06-04 06:35|| Front Page Top

#3 He's got a problem. Overcharge and the guy might be acquitted because you can't show what makes this murder one or two. Charge low to make sure you get a guilty verdict and you're going easy on Chauvin and the others.
The other problem is, according to NBC, this knee resraint has been taught by MPD. Used 200 times in the last five years and this is the first fatality.
What if the defense is...I was doing what I was told and trained to do and nobody else has been sanctioned over it. How was I supposed to know the drugs and heart issues would kill him? Never happened before? None of my trainers told me.
MPD looks really bad as do all the layers of government way back to the last republican mayor.
Posted by Richard Aubrey 2020-06-04 07:29||   2020-06-04 07:29|| Front Page Top

#4 I think moving Chauvin twice in one day to different lockups was an effort to "make the problem go away." Watch for more of the same going forward.
Posted by M. Murcek 2020-06-04 07:40||   2020-06-04 07:40|| Front Page Top

#5 yep. you can only act according to your training and the information you have at that time.

it will be thrown out, and hell the cops may even be due back wages.

at that time, here's hoping all the businesses will proactively defend themselves from the inevitable riots
Posted by Bob Grorong1136 2020-06-04 07:43||   2020-06-04 07:43|| Front Page Top

#6 Wait a minute. Isn't Palantir supposed to have cataloged all these rioters by now? Shouldn't they be maced coming out of their holes the day the innocent verdict is announced? Just askin...
Posted by M. Murcek 2020-06-04 08:12||   2020-06-04 08:12|| Front Page Top

#7 Legal Insurrection's take on Ellison's move.
Posted by Mercutio 2020-06-04 09:11||   2020-06-04 09:11|| Front Page Top

#8 "Chauvin didn't kill himself"?
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-06-04 09:20||   2020-06-04 09:20|| Front Page Top

#9 g(r)omgoru's not wrong. Cops are generally unsafe in prisons and a simple mistake with the paperwork could easily get him killed.
Posted by rjschwarz 2020-06-04 11:20||   2020-06-04 11:20|| Front Page Top

#10 Charges of 2nd degree won't stand thus more riots which is why Muzzie Antifa Ellison made the.
Posted by Woodrow 2020-06-04 12:35||   2020-06-04 12:35|| Front Page Top

#11 Think Chauvin's guards in the Minnesota jails will do a better job of keeping their prisoner alive than Epstein's guards in New York? You never know. He might have some interesting things to say.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2020-06-04 12:47||   2020-06-04 12:47|| Front Page Top

#12 BTW, whatever happened to Epstein's guards?
Posted by Abu Uluque 2020-06-04 12:49||   2020-06-04 12:49|| Front Page Top

#13 Slap on the wrist and they retire in comfort with the proceeds from their GoFundMe page?
Posted by Abu Uluque 2020-06-04 12:51||   2020-06-04 12:51|| Front Page Top

#14 But then, if Chauvin dies in jail, who would riot for him?
Posted by Abu Uluque 2020-06-04 12:54||   2020-06-04 12:54|| Front Page Top

#15 The knee restraint isn't supposed to be held for minutes on end. Chauvin and the other officers weren't following policy, and were at the least derelict in not keeping someone in their custody safe.
Posted by Rob Crawford 2020-06-04 15:33||   2020-06-04 15:33|| Front Page Top

#16 Gotta keep your prisoners alive so we can hear what they have to say. It might be interesting.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2020-06-04 15:48||   2020-06-04 15:48|| Front Page Top

#17 The press and the elected official in MN have made it impossible for Chauvin to get a fair trial anywhere in MN.

This will probably be requested by Chauvin's attorney in the next month or so.

Hard to see how this would be fairly denied.
Posted by lord garth 2020-06-04 19:50||   2020-06-04 19:50|| Front Page Top

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