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2023-06-08 Home Front: WoT

Dissent Cable Shows Biden ‘Allowed’ Afghanistan to Collapse: US Congressman

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Posted by trailing wife 2023-06-08 00:00|| || Front Page|| [10 views ] Top
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#1 I have a hard time with 'allowed'. That drooling imbecile banned all contractors some months before. I remember a statement at the time that the administration was effectively too high minded to tolerate such 'thugs'.

No doubt played well in Brooklyn. But it didn't account for the entirety of Afghan air maintenance. No maintenance, no fly it's that simple. No fly, no air support, no re-supply, no rotations or replacements.

That removes an intrinsic, foundational element of counterinsurgency warfare from the entire post WWII era. Especially in terrain like the Afghan theater. Done the way it was months in advance it allowed the ground forces to get an up close and personal view of what their future held.

Should we have ever been there? Was it ever winnable? Those are larger questions are do not detract from the air contractor issue at a crucial juncture. A partial mirror of what the socialist vermin did to the ARVN's.

For my part, it was essentially won in early '02. Although I would have argued for more widespread destruction dome more quickly as in make the rubble bounce and hard, so hard they feel it in ALL the adjoining countries.

Forget nation building, we don't care. Just remember, WE did this to you and you really, REALLY don't want us coming back. That might not have played well in Brooklyn.

Posted by Cesare 2023-06-08 07:18|| 2023-06-08 07:18|| Front Page Top

#2 Should we have ever been there? Was it ever winnable?

Yes, it definitely was, but NOT with 20+ years of Klingon-DoS political meddling, targeted arrests, and Paki coddling.

I can assure you, the DoD did not run the show or control the action. The disastrous final days provide proof and confirmation of that. Yes, clear evidence of who was left holding the bag, and it wasn't anyone from the US Embassy or the worthless foks back at Foggy Bottom or Langley.

Posted by Besoeker 2023-06-08 07:28|| 2023-06-08 07:28|| Front Page Top

#3 A Punitive Raid, what the Queen Victoria's soldiers called a "Butcher & Bolt", was practical and we 'won' that. Nation Building in a geographic locale full of squabbling tribes is pipedream -- if they can't do it on their own how can we 'force' it to happen?

Posted by magpie 2023-06-08 10:08|| 2023-06-08 10:08|| Front Page Top

#4 /\ Yes, pretty well acknowledged globally, but still an excellent MIC mechanism to extort money from hapless taxpayers.

"War is our business and business is good." Appears to remain so today.

Posted by Besoeker 2023-06-08 11:01|| 2023-06-08 11:01|| Front Page Top

#5 Bush got rolled, and bought the whole nation-building, stability, outpost of Freedom, pick-your-own-slogan, sales pitch. Never the brightest bulb in Bab's litter, he should have stopped with the crushing display of righteous American anger as Cesare so perfectly described above!

"...it was essentially won in early '02. Although I would have argued for more widespread destruction dome more quickly as in make the rubble bounce and hard, so hard they feel it in ALL the adjoining countries.

Forget nation building, we don't care. Just remember, WE did this to you and you really, REALLY don't want us coming back."

Posted by NoMoreBS 2023-06-08 11:53|| 2023-06-08 11:53|| Front Page Top

#6 An unknown percentage of Afghans would love to see us roll back in tomorrow. I don’t think that will ever happen. If we want to nation build, there’s alway Haiti.

Posted by Super Hose 2023-06-08 12:08|| 2023-06-08 12:08|| Front Page Top

#7 /\ Or California.

Posted by Besoeker 2023-06-08 12:17|| 2023-06-08 12:17|| Front Page Top

#8 Envy of the post war generation who watched what their parents did in Germany and Japan. They forgot the preparation involved making the rubble bounce in both cases. Note well, that both cultures had a long martial history of centuries are now probably the least likely to incite that activity.

Posted by Procopius2k 2023-06-08 16:50|| 2023-06-08 16:50|| Front Page Top

#9 ^ Patton, Eisenhower and McArthur never wasted a moment worring about how they would look in the newspapers, unless it was because they lost.

Posted by M. Murcek 2023-06-08 17:44|| 2023-06-08 17:44|| Front Page Top

#10 *cough*MacArthur*cough*

Posted by Procopius2k 2023-06-08 20:09|| 2023-06-08 20:09|| Front Page Top

#11 Patton was pretty vain as well. Bull Halsey or US Grant maybe.

Posted by Super Hose 2023-06-08 20:37|| 2023-06-08 20:37|| Front Page Top

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