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2004-07-08 Britain

Islamic cleric defends suicide bombing stance

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Posted by Mark Espinola 2004-07-08 01:40|| || Front Page|| [11133 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 I must say that the BBC, somewhat surprisingly, gave the cleric a right royal buttf*cking in an interview on Newsnight last night. Evil bast*rd.

Posted by Howard UK 2004-07-08 8:41:26 AM|| 2004-07-08 8:41:26 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Please someone in the media ask this Iman if he will sign the CAIR 'no terror' petition.

Posted by mhw 2004-07-08 8:49:58 AM|| 2004-07-08 8:49:58 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 Sure, he ought to do it. It doesn't mean anything, changes nothing. C'mon everybody. sign up! It's just CAIR playing PR. A sort of jailhouse conversion thingy.

Posted by .com 2004-07-08 8:52:40 AM|| [http://www.amble.com/images/adapting.jpg] 2004-07-08 8:52:40 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 Thanks for the tip, Howard. I went and watched the report. Was that really the BBC?

See it here. Transcript here.

Posted by growler 2004-07-08 1:43:42 PM|| 2004-07-08 1:43:42 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 Go Search BBC Radio 4's The Today Programme for interviews with Anjem Choudry of Al-Muhajiroun - much more savage & also hilarious.

Posted by Howard UK 2004-07-08 3:23:40 PM|| 2004-07-08 3:23:40 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/listenagain/zwednesday_20031126.shtml

Posted by Howard UK 2004-07-08 3:28:16 PM|| 2004-07-08 3:28:16 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 Challenged on his attitude towards suicide bombings, Mr Qaradawi did not disavow his comments on Palestinian tactics.

Another one for the hit list. Find them and kill them, wherever they are.

Posted by Zenster 2004-07-08 6:38:20 PM|| 2004-07-08 6:38:20 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 "Ken Livingstone would not give a platform to the BNP," [Peter Tatchell] said. "This man is even more extreme. He appears to endorse violence against women and gay people."

In other words, it stopped being okay if it could happen "at home".

Posted by Pappy 2004-07-08 8:19:57 PM|| 2004-07-08 8:19:57 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 Don't the little pint sized, brainwashed, jihadees ever ask prior to killing themselves;

"Imam/head mullah (whatever) will you not led us in blowing up that city bus with your own life for Allah?"

(Mullah) 'Oh' my little followers of jihad, I must always carry out the will of Allah, and watch you (dorks) from a safe distance."

Posted by Mark Espinola 2004-07-09 12:03:12 AM|| 2004-07-09 12:03:12 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 Dr. Qaradawi is 100% right. If terrifying murderers break into your home, you have the right under every humane law on the face of this earth to kill them. The zionist murderers and their families broke into Palestinian homes throughout the 1900's, killing many of the occupants and robbing their homes. Settler families are doing this even as I write. As such, the Palestinians are allowed, under every humane law, to kill these zionist murderers and their families so that the Palestinians may get back their homes and drive these murderers and their families away to their real homes in Europe or America. One can never make peace with a murderer, after all. As such, the martyrdom operations are 100% legal, moral and righteous as they are only for self-defence and therefore have the blessings of God. Long live Dr. Qaradawi.....

Posted by Salahuddin Qasim 2004-07-11 4:32:46 PM|| 2004-07-11 4:32:46 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 sad thing Sal is that you probably believe those lies. Drink the kool-aid deeply...

Posted by Frank G 2004-07-11 5:23:11 PM|| 2004-07-11 5:23:11 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 Yes, SQ, that's all very well, but what I really want to know is do you support the Janjaweed?

Posted by virginian 2004-07-11 5:44:21 PM|| 2004-07-11 5:44:21 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 Dear Mr. Frank G.,
My comments are not based on lies. Those poor, helpless Palestinian souls are slaughtered everday by the psychotic zionists who show no mercy. You may not see that on your T.V. in England because I am afraid much of your media is controlled by zionist-masonry but were you to watch T.V here in the middle-east you would certainly see who is killing who. We watch it everyday on the news here and are very saddened by the daily slaughter of the Palestinians. The only way those noble Palestinian souls can defend themselves and preserve their honor is through martyrdom. But One day God will reward them for their patience by driving away those zionist beasts. Mr. Frank G., I urge you to atleast once look at the other side of the story and see for yourself who is lying. Take care. Your friend-Salhuddin.

Posted by Salahuddin 2004-07-11 6:06:23 PM|| 2004-07-11 6:06:23 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 You may not see that on your T.V. in England because I am afraid much of your media is controlled by zionist-masonry...

My TV's usually operated with a remote control. You use Jewish bricks, huh, Frank G? How come you never mentioned that before?

Salahuddin - stick around Rantburg and you might learn something yourself. We see stuff from all sources here, so you can judge for yourself what's really going on...

Posted by Bulldog 2004-07-11 6:11:31 PM|| 2004-07-11 6:11:31 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 Salhuddin
We also know that same media claim the US kills 1,000 of muslims a day, All the politicians in the US are Jews, The US is run by Jews, pure fanatsy.
It's to bad you can't seperate the propaganda being used to keep you down by your government and the Mullahs from reality. The truth is you are a slave. step out of line and think something different than what you are fed you will be killed or tossed in prison. Wake up.

Posted by FlameBait93268 2004-07-11 6:14:15 PM|| 2004-07-11 6:14:15 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 Sal - As an engineer, I design masonry, and you don't know masonry

(/Lloyd Bentsen)

Posted by Frank G 2004-07-11 6:17:01 PM|| 2004-07-11 6:17:01 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 Bulldog, I never noticed the Star of David stamped in the sides....damn!

Posted by Frank G 2004-07-11 6:18:37 PM|| 2004-07-11 6:18:37 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 Frank G - so unobservant! Betcha never looked out the window and noticed you'd ended up in England, either! Too busy aiming those bricks...

Posted by Bulldog 2004-07-11 6:26:26 PM|| 2004-07-11 6:26:26 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 Imagine my surprise! Hope the trip back to san diego costs as little as the first leg

Posted by Frank G 2004-07-11 6:47:37 PM|| 2004-07-11 6:47:37 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 Dear (posted as Flamebait),
Please don't worry about our information. We are very well informed here. I have BBC., AlJazeera and Arabiya, so we get both sides of the story. Do you have Aljazeera and Arabiya in your home? So you don't think the governments of the U.S.A. and Great Britain are heavily influenced (perhaps coerced) by zionist-masonry? You don't think your media is in the hands of zionist-masonry? It is extremely dangerous for you that you do not recognize this. And this is not anything recent. It was your media that got the crusades started against us. Frankish Knights about a thousand years ago made pictures showing the Messiah, and an Arab striking him, showing blood on the face of Christ (God's blessings be on him) and they said "This is the Messiah, struck by Mahomet the prophet of the Muslims, who has wounded and killed him." This (and other such tricks appealing to emotions) made your people so angry that they flocked here in the thousands to kill us. Many people sold everything to finance their trip and came walking thousands of miles just to to "liberate" the holy-land. And thousands perished on the way. Can you believe that? But God raised Saladdin for us to help defeat them. Your zionist-masonic media is again trying hard to brainwash your fair people. They are now saying to you, "we must liberate those people from their tyrants." "Let us bring freedom to them," etc., etc. Saladin had a motto for the crusaders then. It was "Come to Death." You must realize that your most dangerous enemy is your government and your media. Take care. Your friens, Salahuddin.

Posted by Salahuddin 2004-07-11 8:00:35 PM|| 2004-07-11 8:00:35 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 Come to death? Hmmmm no wonder your tourism sucks

Posted by Frank G 2004-07-11 8:14:03 PM|| 2004-07-11 8:14:03 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 Dear Frank,
How are you doing? Please use decent vocabulary in your correspondence. "S _ _ _ k _ " is not polite. It sounds like this is the language of someone who dropped out of high school. Also it is said that a man can be judged by his words. An esteemed paper such as the Rantburg should not allow such dirty words to be used. Take care.

Posted by Salahuddin 2004-07-12 3:45:11 AM|| 2004-07-12 3:45:11 AM|| Front Page Top

#23 No my most "dangerous enemies" are persons who want to kill me for being a christan and a US citizen. I know I can't trust my goverment so I watch it like a hawk. I read international media and I do have a good BS detector.
This Shiek is a clown and is no moderate. I don't suffer clowning well. Wife beating and blaming the victim are just the tip of the iceburg. The UK should deport him fortwith.

Posted by FlameBait93268 2004-07-12 4:12:09 AM|| 2004-07-12 4:12:09 AM|| Front Page Top

#24 Dear (Flamebait),
Dr. Qaradawi has clearly stated that it is forbidden to kill an innocent person. (I am a U.S. citizen). The people who do that are crazy or brainwashed and we all know that here. That is not the issue. The issue is about killing the "Israelis" IN "Israel". You must know that the Israelis are occupiers. An occupier is someone who has forcefully taken your home from you. Imagine if some people broke into your warm little home, killed some of your family and drove you out into the street. How would you feel about these people? Would you kill them or make peace with them? Dr. Qaradawi is not scared to call a spade a spade. He speaks out against the zionist occupiers whereever he goes. He is the voice of those poor, oppressed Palestinians. You really don't know how horrible the zionists are. They are even worse than Nazis. And there is no "wife beating" in our religion. Women can be very lightly struck, and only as a last resort, without anger and only on certain parts of the body which do not hurt much. And this is only done as a LAST resort after all other means of dicourse to correct her MAJOR disobedience to her husband have failed. Major disobedience means something really bad that she has done to her husband. Please read what Dr. Qaradawi has written and you will be sure to find him, not only a moderate but a champion of the poor. Long live Dr. Qaradawi. Take care.

Posted by Salahuddin 2004-07-12 4:41:59 AM|| 2004-07-12 4:41:59 AM|| Front Page Top

#25 ... still amounts to woman-beating in my book.

Posted by Howard UK 2004-07-12 5:44:49 AM|| 2004-07-12 5:44:49 AM|| Front Page Top

#26 Dear Howard,
My wife doesn't think so in her book. She feels women need to be sometimes corrected by compassionate and loving husbands (with gentleness ofcourse). Even God corrects His creatures when they stray from the right path (through calamities etc...). Sorry you cannot understand.

Posted by Salahuddin 2004-07-12 5:57:51 AM|| 2004-07-12 5:57:51 AM|| Front Page Top

#27 And she gets to beat you when you need correcting?

Posted by Howard UK 2004-07-12 6:10:51 AM|| 2004-07-12 6:10:51 AM|| Front Page Top

#28 Major disobedience means something really bad that she has done to her husband.

Don't be vague, Salahuddin - please explain what you mean by 'major disobedience'. Can you? Or does it depend entirely upon what the husband chooses to define as 'major disobedience', i.e. in reality, wives can be beaten on the whim of the husband.

What, by the way, do you think of not being permitted by law to beat your own wife? As a US citizen, if you beat your wife in your own home, you could be sent to jail for a long while. I feel I should warn you that you wouldn't be a popular prisoner, either. Even jailbirds tend to despise men who beat up women. They certainly do so here in the UK. Watch yourself, Salahuddin! Don't reach for your belt until you've exhausted your other options (like not acting like a cave man)...

Posted by Bulldog 2004-07-12 6:22:56 AM|| 2004-07-12 6:22:56 AM|| Front Page Top

#29 You're a one sick f*ck, Salahuddin. You don't belong in the 21st century (and neither the 20th).

Posted by Rafael 2004-07-12 6:28:52 AM|| 2004-07-12 6:28:52 AM|| Front Page Top

#30 Imam's and the Master Race Saudi's know best.

Imam lets muezzin beat his wife
An imam of a city mosque let his underling beat his wife black and blue right before him Tuesday night for her failure to meet his dowry demands and not giving nod to his intended second marriage.

Imam's wife gets death threats
The wife of the imam of Bangabandhu Sheikh Mujib Medical University (BSMMU) Hospital Jame Mosque, whom his associates assaulted and critically injured on Tuesday night, received repeated death threats from his (imam's) men and the hospital authorities released her without proper treatment, she alleged yesterday.
...
Meanwhile, Sabina's 10-year-old daughter Shammi said yesterday, "I am alone in our house. Some people came to the house and threatened me to leave it."

Rania al-Baz photo

She and her husband were arguing, as they often did. "The next thing I knew he was strangling me," al-Baz told NEWSWEEK. "Then he threw me against the wall and banged my head down on the floor. He told me to say the Shahadah [the Muslim prayer of last rites] because I was going to die.

Posted by ed 2004-07-12 6:37:47 AM|| 2004-07-12 6:37:47 AM|| Front Page Top

#31 Dr. Qaradawi is not scared to call a spade a spade.

Somehow, I doubt that. At least in the west, I'd be surprised if he didn't refer to them as implements employed by infidel hordesmen to prepare the stolen holy ground for construction of the artifice of the zionist masonry.

Can you tell me why so many Muslims believe the sort of paranoid conspiracy nonsense you're spouting here? If you think you see 'both sides' of the issues by watching the BBC, al Jazeera and Arabiya, you're sorely mistaken. The latter two are sick jokes - they pump out reassuring pan-Arabist victimhood propaganda that fools like you lap up (remember Comical Ali?), whilst the BBC has gone so anti-Western it's a shadow of its former self in terms of honesty and believability. Why don't you watch Fox occasionally? What's wrong with that 'side'?

Posted by Bulldog 2004-07-12 6:42:19 AM|| 2004-07-12 6:42:19 AM|| Front Page Top

#32 Hey, look. We just don't understand, OK?

Posted by Howard UK 2004-07-12 6:43:46 AM|| 2004-07-12 6:43:46 AM|| Front Page Top

#33 To me, the scariest part of all the nonsense that Salahuddin has said is the bit about being an American citizen.
For the life of me, I cannot think of one single thing that this man could, positively, contribute to the American culture.

Posted by Anonymous4617 2004-07-12 7:27:04 AM|| 2004-07-12 7:27:04 AM|| Front Page Top

#34 Where did Sal go?

Posted by Howard UK 2004-07-12 7:57:33 AM|| 2004-07-12 7:57:33 AM|| Front Page Top

#35 "To me, the scariest part of all the nonsense that Salahuddin has said is the bit about being an American citizen."

I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed that, or felt that way.

I find his comments profoundly depressing: if he is anywhere near typical of his kind, I fear they will someday do something so stupid, so vile, so heinous (like nuking an American city, on the pretext that they're somehow being "oppressed" by us and therefore have Allah's permission to kill), that our struggle will be instantly transformed from a war of reformation to a war of extermination.

If this "Salahuddin" clown really is an American citizen, he'd better get out now while he still can. Otherwise there's a Manzanar in his future.

Posted by Dave D. 2004-07-12 8:07:02 AM|| 2004-07-12 8:07:02 AM|| Front Page Top

#36 Dear Howard...Here I am...
I am afraid to say that your logic is exactly the kind used by paranoid, ignorant and fearful people. You try to frighten people (strategy of Tony Blair and George Bush-Read my part about the Franks and their media above). Do you know who are the only people who have actually "nuked" a city (Nagasaki, Hirohima)? Did you forget so quickly? You should judge a tree by its fruit! I, as a Muslim American, love my country. Muslims are the most peaceful people on earth-they won't harm an ant! In Islam you can never use force anyone to change his/her ideas. True change comes by choice-from the heart-(Please listen Bush and Blair). The good people of Great Britain and America must not be influenced by the zionist-masons and their friends (hint, hint) who try to instill fear in their populations about Muslims. I urge everyone to read about us and our religion Islam (Peace) and it's history and judge for themselves. Don't stay ignorant about Islam otherwise the zionist-masons will be able to portary us as warmongers through their media and get you to hate us. Through knowledge and discussion we can create understanding and bridge gaps. I am proud to be an American and feel I can help bridge the gap between Christians, Muslims and Jews throughout the world. Remember who our real enemy is:Zionist-freemasonry and their friends.

Posted by Salahuddin 2004-07-12 8:42:21 AM|| 2004-07-12 8:42:21 AM|| Front Page Top

#37 Salahuddin,

I live in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia and I can tell you that you are unbeliavable full of shit! You are hateful, violent and rotten to the core people. All you have to do here to observe your religion in action is to see how you treat minorities (Sri Lankas, Indians, Philipinos, etc). You treat these poor people worse than you treat your goats and camels. I wish the people you are trying to bullshit here could spend a week in this part of the world. You are not an American. Part of being an American is sharing some values and principles that you cannot possible comprehend. Principles like equality, compassion, respect for others regardles of race and creed, etc, etc.

Posted by Anonymous4617 2004-07-12 9:06:19 AM|| 2004-07-12 9:06:19 AM|| Front Page Top

#38 I said nothing about nuking anyone. Answer my question - if your wife thinks you need correction, can she beat you back?. I know Muslims are generally decent people - I live amongst them and grew up with them. I'm also sick of the minority who try desperately to exert cultural dominance once they achieve the 50% demographic in a neighbourhood.

Posted by Howard UK 2004-07-12 9:16:49 AM|| 2004-07-12 9:16:49 AM|| Front Page Top

#39 Muslims are the most peaceful people on earth-they won't harm an ant!

Pray tell us, Salahuddin, who it is who's beheading hostages in Iraq? Who it was in Fallujah who mutilated the corpses of westerners? Who it is who murders Israeli civilans any way possible on the streets of Tel Aviv and Jerusalem? Who it is who mutilates non-Muslims on Kashmir? Who was shooting non-Muslim Americans from the trunk of a car in the Washington area a couple of years ago? Who murders fellow Muslims trying to vote in Afghanistan? Who killed three thosand innocent Americans on Septembet 11th 2001?

I'm not a paranoid loon like yourself. I do not distrust or hate all Muslims, but I acknowledge that the world's greatest evil today comes from within Islam, through Islamic societies and culture. Attitudes like yours - denial, ignorance and contemptible arrogance - will not help your faith overcome its problems. You need to wake up and smell the coffee, Salahuddin.

And please, no more shit about zionist-mason conspiracies. There are sites dedicated to that sort of thing.

Posted by Bulldog 2004-07-12 9:23:21 AM|| 2004-07-12 9:23:21 AM|| Front Page Top

#40 Remember who our real enemy is:Zionist-freemasonry and their friends

You know what? I consider my greatest enemy today, to be a superstition called Islam, which is a belief system built on lies. It exists as an objecive truth only in the minds of believers (aka brainwashed fools), just like Zionist-freemasonry. I put it to you (and deep down, if you're honest, and if an original thought has ever entered your head, you'll agree with me) that both are pure fantasy.

Posted by Bulldog 2004-07-12 9:34:42 AM|| 2004-07-12 9:34:42 AM|| Front Page Top

#41 He's scarpered again... must be time to call Allan for advice.

Posted by Howard UK 2004-07-12 9:37:37 AM|| 2004-07-12 9:37:37 AM|| Front Page Top

#42 Yes Salahuddin,

Who went into the Oasis compound in Khobar and separated christians from muslims and proceeded to slaughter (do decapitation, throat cutting and throwing body parts out the windows ring a bell) the former? Who tied westerners to the rear bumper of a car and dragged their bodies through the streets of Yanbu and Khobar?

Posted by Anonymous4617 2004-07-12 9:37:38 AM|| 2004-07-12 9:37:38 AM|| Front Page Top

#43 "Remember who our real enemy is: Zionist-freemasonry and their friends."

Zionists didn't fly those planes into the World Trade Center towers and the Pentagon on 9/11. Freemasons didn't fly the planes, either.

MUSLIMS flew those planes. Muslims just like you: ignorant, primitive, hateful and murderous.

Posted by Dave D. 2004-07-12 10:08:35 AM|| 2004-07-12 10:08:35 AM|| Front Page Top

#44 Salahuddin,
I urge everyone to read about us and our religion Islam (Peace)
As a muslim you must know that 'Islam' does not mean 'Peace' but 'Submission'.

Muslims are the most peaceful people on earth-they won't harm an ant!
Lets ask the mothers and fathers and brothers of the civilians muslims deliberately targetted and murdered in Isreal shall we? How about the christans and animalists of Sudan, or even the black Muslims of western Sudan? What about the Christians of Indonesia? Buddist monks of Thiland?

You should judge a tree by its fruit!
What are the Islamic fruit? Enslavement of wives, honor-killing, Rape, Murder, etc.... to be fair there are some good fruit as well, the enslaved person can feel secure.

Yes all these are also present in the west but the Church and Jews does not condone or encourage them like your Imans do....

Posted by CrazyFool 2004-07-12 10:27:37 AM|| 2004-07-12 10:27:37 AM|| Front Page Top

#45 When I see all this hate e-mail againt me, I see how much hate there is against my peaceful religion. I feel sad that you look at certain bad apples and judge the whole tree by it. This is not fair. I acknowledge certain brainwashed people amongst us (who kill civilians) but they don't represent Islam. You can't kill innocent people in Islam. By the way there is no such thing as an "Israeli civilian." In case you don't know, every "Israeli" (the zionists have used Prophet Jacob's good name to name their vile country) is born a soldier to be trained to slaughter those poor Palestinian souls. Dear Howard, a man is responsible for his wife. She is a trust to him from God. Men are the caretakers for their wives. My wife could never think like you do. She loves me and respects me tooooo much like I do here. Try and understand.
I must go to work now. I am so saddened to see all this hate mail. Peace be on you.

Posted by Salahuddin 2004-07-12 11:45:45 AM|| 2004-07-12 11:45:45 AM|| Front Page Top

#46 Bees pee upon you. Your pablum sounds suspiciously like Gentle, another Islamo-troll. Your wife should be encouraged upon the next beating to find the cutlery and remove your dinky little superiority. At least you're honest about your hate for the Joooos. Too bad they kick arab ass every time you try to act upon it. Loser

Posted by Frank G 2004-07-12 11:55:25 AM|| 2004-07-12 11:55:25 AM|| Front Page Top

#47 You can't kill innocent people in Islam. By the way there is no such thing as an "Israeli civilian." In case you don't know, every "Israeli" (the zionists have used Prophet Jacob's good name to name their vile country) is born a soldier to be trained to slaughter those poor Palestinian souls.

Seems faily clear to me your 'peaceful religion' extends no peaceful sentiments to Israelis. You choose to condemn anyone who, through accident of birth, happens to be an Israeli. Or do you regard them as sub-human? The murder of Israelis, of whatever age, sex, or circumstance, is justified, is it? Would you be content if Christians regarded Muslims in the same way? Respect that kind of attitude even if it was hostile to you? Even if it meant you could be killed by your neighbours, and celebrated?

You think you talk peace? Think again. Doesn't it occur to Muslims to consider, for a moment, the obvious hypocrisy of pretending to be about 'peace' yet want nothing but violence in Israel?

My wife could never think like you do.

Newsflash, Salahuddin: she could. If you haven't noticed, we have lots of women in the west who've shed the constraints of other cultures, like yours. She's potentially as capable of free thought and value as you are. Given your repressive and misogynistic culture has given you more chances to expand your horizons than she's had, and yet you've singularly failed to learn anything from your time in America, I suspect she's likely to have more potential than you. I know many women, including quite a few genuinely moderate Muslims, who are clearly intellectually superior to you.

Posted by Bulldog 2004-07-12 12:00:22 PM|| 2004-07-12 12:00:22 PM|| Front Page Top

#48 In case you don't know, every "Israeli" is born a soldier to be trained to slaughter those poor Palestinian souls.

That explains the deliberate murder of that 8-month-old pregnant woman and her three (all under 12) daughters a few weeks ago. I'm sure Salahuddin was dancing in the streets about those 'soldiers', including the unborn fetus, being killed in cold blood. What was it, 2 shots for each child, and one for the pregnant woman and her unborn baby?

Good troll tho! (holds up a card) I give it an '8.5'!

Posted by CrazyFool 2004-07-12 12:06:40 PM|| 2004-07-12 12:06:40 PM|| Front Page Top

#49 "You can't kill innocent people in Islam."

No, you simply declare them "oppressors" or "infidels" first, and then kill them-- men, women, children, even babies.

"I am so saddened to see all this hate mail. Peace be on you."

Fuck you, you evil murderous monster. The sooner you end up in Hell, the better.

Posted by Dave D. 2004-07-12 12:22:54 PM|| 2004-07-12 12:22:54 PM|| Front Page Top

#50 Hey, I'll try my best - don't go dabbling with western women, it may blow your fuse when your food is thrown at you!

Posted by Howard UK 2004-07-12 1:53:44 PM|| 2004-07-12 1:53:44 PM|| Front Page Top

#51 Dear Frank G.,
Perhaps your filthy language and thoughts (I am sorry to say) result from a deep felt jealousy of Muslim men. You must be thinking, "Why are these Muslim women so loyal to their husbands? Why do they never display their beauty except to their husbands? Why do they always obey their husbands?" Then you must be thinking, "If our women can't be like theirs, let's make their women like ours. I can't bear to see those Muslim men so happy and satisfied." ***NEWSFLASH*** "Bulldog" : My wife doesn't want to think like you. She knows all about the "freedoms" you give to your women in the west-Let me point them out for you. (Western ladies, please take note as well so you may find out how cruel your Zionist-Masonic masters really are.)
#1. Less pay for women than men for the same job (and of course never more). #2. Forcing women to uncover their hair and forcing them to wear skirts on the job, for the sexual pleasure of their filthy male employers, off course. (Try wearing a frock, ladies and see if you can get a decent paying job.) #3. Forcing a woman to shake hands with men at the work place. #4. Forcing a woman to change her last (family) name to that of her male master. #5. Fear of walking alone on the streets-needing an escort at night if a woman wants to walk from one part of the college campus to another. #6. 100,000 REPORTED rapes in the U.S.A. last year alone. (An epidemic, I should say). #7. Rapes of women in the U.S. Air force (Now just coming out in the news despite the great effort by Zionist-freemason males to hide them). #8. Thrashing of women in college dormitories by males in the west. (I used to hear horrible, chilling sounds of women being beaten by men from my college dorm roomâ¦sickening). #9. No dowry for a woman when she gets married. Nothing for her, only a ring or two. #10. Forcing a woman to work and contribute her money for the household expenses. In other words a woman does not have the choice to just relax and have her husband buy her everything. In Islam, a Muslim woman can work if she wants, but she gets to keep all her money and her husband must still pay for all her expenses: clothing, food, transportation, housing, health etc. What a deal ladies! So no thanks, "bulldog", My wife doesn't want your "free-thought" or, to put it appropriately, slavery to men. *****NEWSFLASH***** "Bulldog" My wife doesn't want to go to the west. And who could blame her. She is so happy here in the Muslim world. She teaches second grade in the girls section and proudly wears her hijaab (head scarf) and a jilbaab (a loose dress) outside school. She knows her beauty is only for ME, her husband, and no one else on earth. And the beauty of it is, she chose her lifestyle-not because I told her to do it but because it is a commandment from God (in the Quran-our holy book). "Bulldog", you will never be able to get such obedience from women in your culture. But try to control your rage-I mean don't kill yourself from it.
Now "bulldog", lets talk about "Israel", which is actually the name of Prophet Jacob, a name the Zionists thieves use to call their den. The Zionists, or "Israelis" as they call themselves, have off course nothing to do with Prophet Jacob (Israel). That is just nonsense. They are 100% Europeans and have always been Europeans. They were pagan, sexually perverted, looting tribes from Eastern Europe who converted to Judaism hundreds of years ago. So, they thought, "How can we steal the rich, fertile land of the Palestinians and expand further from there? "Well", they said, "Let's tell the world we are "Israelis" and we must therefore return to our promised land "Israel". Off course, the British and the Americans Zionist-Masonic governments supported that move as there was a lot to gain-"Israel" could be a base and a bulwark for their own imperialist designs. The Zionists, as such, slaughtered and drove the Palestinians from their homes and occupied their lands. And they are still doing that today. You ask how Islam can be a religion of peace when it allows the killing of these "Israelis". To have peace there must be justice. Without justice there can be no peace. To restore justice, sometimes force needs to be used. Justice will only be served if the Palestinians are given back all their property, every inch of it. The "Israelis" will surely not hand over all the lands that they stole from the Palestinians peacefully and go back home to Europe and America-the thugs that they are. So we have no choice but to fight them and kill them or drive them out. When the Palestinians get back all their lands, every inch of them, only then will there be justice, hence peace or Islam. "Bulldog", you talk about the killing of "Israeli" women and children. First of all, Hamas and Islamic Jihad, which are two organizations fighting "Israel" never deliberately kill "Israeli" women and children. They always go for "Israeli" male soldiers (who wear civilian clothing when off duty-all "Israelis" are soldiers). Also they can only kill "Israelis" within the internationally recognized boundaries of "Israel", according to Islamic law. They are forbidden to take their struggle outside "Israel" and they strictly obey this. Now surely "Israeli" women and children are sometimes killed, but this is never done deliberately. As the President of the United States and his Defense Secretary have said, war has "collateral damage" and women and children are sometimes unnecessary "casualties of war."
To conclude, I want to be a staff writer for the Rantburg, the esteemed newspaper of Great Britain (the one free from Zionist-freemasonry and their friends). I feel I can make a positive contribution to your society with my extensive cross-cultural knowledge. Please look for my articles in your esteemed paper. (This includes "Bulldog", "Franky" and "Scooby Doo". You may read my articles too).

Posted by Salahuddin 2004-07-12 8:38:24 PM|| 2004-07-12 8:38:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#52 helllloooo Gentle!

Posted by Frank G 2004-07-12 8:43:03 PM|| 2004-07-12 8:43:03 PM|| Front Page Top

#53 Hi Salahuddin: Hi do I join the Zionist-Freemasons? I hear that they make a lot of money. I had some friends a few years ago, but they were just regular Freemasons. One drove trucks for a living and the other operated a bulldozer. They were great guys and all, but didn't seem to be getting much money for all the time they put into regular Freemasonry. And they weren't even close to manipulating world events. So I figure that if I join the Zionist Freemasons instead of the regular ones, I won't have to live in a trailer park anymore like so many poor oppressed Christian Americans (you know those Masons are all atheists and they hate us Christians). Maybe I can move into one of the big mansions on the other side of the railroad tracks, smoke cigars, and drink Jack Daniels instead of Old Grandad.

Posted by 11A5S 2004-07-12 8:59:20 PM|| 2004-07-12 8:59:20 PM|| Front Page Top

#54 Shit, my dad almost single-handedly rebuilt my hometown's masonic temple - should I be worried that my dad is part of an international conspiracy hell bent on wreaking genocide amongst muslim populations? God, the silver-haired sneak. Just wait til I tell the local police... hang on, they're freemasons as well... God this shit runs deep. Thanks, Sal.

Posted by Howard UK 2004-07-13 4:32:35 AM|| 2004-07-13 4:32:35 AM|| Front Page Top

#55 I hope Salahuddin is a fake troll. If he is not, the America we know and love is in trouble. I refuse to believe that such garbage live among us.

Posted by Anonymous4617 2004-07-13 5:04:30 AM|| 2004-07-13 5:04:30 AM|| Front Page Top

#56 #48

I'm going to stretch my neck out and give him a (*holds up card*) nine. Great Trollage.

- although he's probably Bulldog in disguise.

Posted by Howard UK 2004-07-13 5:35:20 AM|| 2004-07-13 5:35:20 AM|| Front Page Top

#57 Anonymous - Denial isn't just a river in Egypt. He's with you, he's ugly and he's stupid. Deal with it!

Salahuddin - you have a very bad case of verbal diarrhoea. That steaming pile of mental excrement could have been condensed down to a couple of essential points:

i) You think women only deserve the status of slave, and
ii) In the West, women are slaves.

You make no sense, and you are a hypocrite. In the West we strive to award women the same rights as men - it may not be perfectly so, but it's a million miles in advance of the second rate status you afford to your women. Your chauvanistic attitude towards women is one of the reasons why Muslim Middle Eastern society is such a miserable failure compared to the West - why you are so far behind us in terms of intellectual, industrial, technological and humanitarian achievement. You throw away half your population's ability simply because they're born the 'inferior' sex.

To conclude, I want to be a staff writer for the Rantburg, the esteemed newspaper of Great Britain

You are completely delusional.

Posted by Bulldog 2004-07-13 5:38:26 AM|| 2004-07-13 5:38:26 AM|| Front Page Top

#58 I come into contact with masons quite a lot. I figured out what their secret sign is - glasses. All and only men who wear glasses are masons. I was amazed.

Howard - I'd give 7 for effort, 1 for ability.

Posted by Bulldog 2004-07-13 6:00:26 AM|| 2004-07-13 6:00:26 AM|| Front Page Top

#59 - although he's probably Bulldog in disguise.

WTF?!!! I know I don't exactly treat my time as though it's precious, but - hey, if I was going to argue with myself, I hope I'd do it a bit more coherently... ;)

Posted by Bulldog 2004-07-13 6:02:19 AM|| 2004-07-13 6:02:19 AM|| Front Page Top

#60 Yup, my dad wears glasses. I think Sal's delusional but very much welcome nonetheless. He hasn't quite managed to persuade me that women are much more important than livestock in Mohamedan society.

Posted by Howard UK 2004-07-13 6:29:21 AM|| 2004-07-13 6:29:21 AM|| Front Page Top

#61 Dear "Balldog",
Sorry...I don't have much time for you today but you didn't mention the word (stolen by the Zionists) "Israel" in any of your replies? Did I finally convince you? Do you realize that zionist dung (sorry if you collect it in your stamp album) don't deserve any "peaceful sentiments" from Islam? Do you realize that they are indeed "sub-human" or do you still need to be supplied with further evidence? Well why don't you read my first explanation againâ¦Now dear "bulldog", lets talk about "Israel", which is actually the name of Prophet Jacob, a name the Zionists thieves use to call their den. The Zionists, or "Israelis" as they call themselves, have off course nothing to do with Prophet Jacob (Israel). That is just nonsense. They are 100% Europeans and have always been Europeans. They were pagan, sexually perverted, looting tribes from Eastern Europe who converted to Judaism hundreds of years ago. So, they thought, "How can we steal the rich, fertile land of the Palestinians and expand further from there? "Well", they said, "Let's tell the world we are "Israelis" and we must therefore return to our promised land "Israel". Off course, the British and the Americans Zionist-Masonic governments supported that move as there was a lot to gain-"Israel" could be a base and a bulwark for their own imperialist designs. The Zionists, as such, slaughtered and drove the Palestinians from their homes and occupied their lands. And they are still doing that today. You ask how Islam can be a religion of peace when it allows the killing of these "Israelis". To have peace there must be justice. Without justice there can be no peace. To restore justice, sometimes force needs to be used. Justice will only be served if the Palestinians are given back all their property, every inch of it. The "Israelis" will surely not hand over all the lands that they stole from the Palestinians peacefully and go back home to Europe and America-the thugs that they are. So we have no choice but to fight them and kill them or drive them out. When the Palestinians get back all their lands, every inch of them, only then will there be justice, hence peace or Islam. "Bulldog", you talk about the killing of "Israeli" women and children. First of all, Hamas and Islamic Jihad, which are two organizations fighting "Israel" never deliberately kill "Israeli" women and children. They always go for "Israeli" male soldiers (who wear civilian clothing when off duty-all "Israelis" are soldiers). Also they can only kill "Israelis" within the internationally recognized boundaries of "Israel", according to Islamic law. They are forbidden to take their struggle outside "Israel" and they strictly obey this. Now surely "Israeli" women and children are sometimes killed, but this is never done deliberately. As the President of the United States and his Defense Secretary have said, war has "collateral damage" and women and children are sometimes unnecessary "casualties of war."
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So, C3PO11A5S, you want to join the Zionist-Freemasons? Well, that should be easy for you. Firstly, you cannot be a Muslim (I think you qualify). Secondly, you must be able to eat dry dung (You probably can). Thirdly, you have to get brainwashed- P.S. you won't be needing that. Fourthly, you must be able to keep secrets (I think you can). Fifthly, you must be able to kill even a fellow Zionist-Freemason if he will reveal any secrets. (Can you?) Sixthly, you must say weird statements and perform weird rituals without question. Example you must be able to say, "grasshoppers, googly goo, silver twitch on the bean locks tiddly too derrick randall". (You should love that). Finally, you need a letter of consent from your grandmother. Now you may walk into any lodge in your country and after entering it ask to speak to the Grand Master (preferably 33rd degree). Say, "I want the real deal." Your application will be reviewed by a committee and you will be informed within a fortnight. For further information look in your local yellow pages. By the way, do let me know what happens, C3P011A5S. Everyone else, keep looking out for my articles soon to come in your esteemed paper, the Rantburg.

Posted by Salahuddin 2004-07-13 7:43:25 PM|| 2004-07-13 7:43:25 PM|| Front Page Top

#62 You're one sick MOFO, Salahuddin.

Posted by Bulldog 2004-07-13 7:50:35 PM|| 2004-07-13 7:50:35 PM|| Front Page Top

#63 We are very well informed here. I have BBC., AlJazeera and Arabiya, so we get both sides of the story.

I'm laughing so hard I can hardly breathe... somebody he'p me...

Posted by eLarson 2004-07-13 7:58:17 PM|| 2004-07-13 7:58:17 PM|| Front Page Top

#64 Dear "Bulldog"
Please..., that's not the Queen's English.

Posted by Salahuddin 2004-07-13 8:03:17 PM|| 2004-07-13 8:03:17 PM|| Front Page Top

#65 Salahuddin...Find an empty bus and practice until you meet your 72 old ladies ...in Hell!

Yo, by the way you shall be in good company with one of your heros, the Grand Mufti.

Posted by Mark Espinola 2004-07-13 8:04:53 PM|| [http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_mandate_grand_mufti.php] 2004-07-13 8:04:53 PM|| Front Page Top

#66 by the way, ~~Gentle~~ "Sal", I hate your fucking ignorant ass just for screwing up the page width, asshat. Our 'Zionist co-conspirators' aren't that stupid, but you are....must be the missing intelligence gene inherent in Islam

Posted by Frank G 2004-07-13 8:12:25 PM|| 2004-07-13 8:12:25 PM|| Front Page Top

#67 Mark,
Your parents and the priest of your church will not like your intolerance if they read what you have written nor will your kindergarten teacher. Shame on you. ("Yo"???)-What pre-school did you graduate from?

Posted by Salahuddin 2004-07-13 8:24:24 PM|| 2004-07-13 8:24:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#68 "Do you know who are the only people who have actually 'nuked' a city (Nagasaki, Hirohima)?"

Ooh, ooh, I know the answer to that one! Call on me, teacher!

Posted by Matt 2004-07-13 8:30:10 PM|| 2004-07-13 8:30:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#69 Salahuddin. In the link you shall discover more zionist-freemasons ..LOL

Posted by Mark Espinola 2004-07-13 8:31:29 PM|| [http://www.egy.com/community/99-03-01.shtml] 2004-07-13 8:31:29 PM|| Front Page Top

#70 Frank,
Please mind your language. There might be children reading these pages. And you shouldn't get so upset over an extension of the page width. It is such a minor problem. Please "drink the Kool-Aid deeply..." as you advised me. Take care.

Posted by Salahuddin 2004-07-13 8:38:52 PM|| 2004-07-13 8:38:52 PM|| Front Page Top

#71 of course Sal, I'm rhetorically arming myself, sharpening the blades, so to speak...enjoy your 72 raisins :-)

Posted by Frank G 2004-07-13 8:42:12 PM|| 2004-07-13 8:42:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#72

Yo, Sal picture this. This is you on your first trip to NY....now laugh don't be a lousy diaper headed terrorist!

I can see this guy in the hood ordering a pizza, and the pizza guy, says "hey yo, want will have pal?" Sal just stands there completely stupefied, asking "What is meaning of...yo.. Mr. pizza man?"

Next customer!!! ;)What fu***** boat did this mook get off of?? LOL

I'm going to have fun with this goofy schlemiel.:)

Posted by Mark Espinola 2004-07-13 8:43:34 PM|| [http://www.sodamnfunny.com/terrorist/terrorist.html?/terrorist/comic11.jpg] 2004-07-13 8:43:34 PM|| Front Page Top

#73 Mark,
The first sign of the end of a civilization is when its people start using bad language. Just listen to the way you sound. It's disgusting. I would never let you near my children (1000 miles). You can be wise but you don't have to be filthy. Do you actually think I would ever go to that filthy and immoral city full of perverts? I like to be surrounded by clean and pure people. So long...I must go the mosque to pray the morning prayer and be with my clean friends who use good language. I don't want to corrupt myself and my language by being with you people.

Posted by Salahuddin 2004-07-13 9:13:31 PM|| 2004-07-13 9:13:31 PM|| Front Page Top

#74 Sal don't like NY? Does that make him a Republican?

Posted by Bulldog 2004-07-13 9:18:43 PM|| 2004-07-13 9:18:43 PM|| Front Page Top

#75 Do you actually think I would ever go to that filthy and immoral city full of perverts?

Some of your Muslim friends did a few years ago.
But they weren't there long.

Posted by tu3031 2004-07-13 9:18:46 PM|| 2004-07-13 9:18:46 PM|| Front Page Top

#76 filthy, he he - nice riposte from a "bathing optional"....1000 miles, what are you? In the Atlantic? Or, more likely, a weak-ass troll with no children, no woman, no life, and last and foremost, no balls. C'mon Sal? Give me an IP?

Posted by Frank G 2004-07-13 9:20:16 PM|| 2004-07-13 9:20:16 PM|| Front Page Top

#77 Dear "Bulldog, Scooby Doo, Buckwheat, R2D2, Posthumus, Anonynous 4617, Crazy fool, 11A5S, Paaco, Howard the Duck, C3P0, Rikco, Mark Espinola, Chiico, eLarson, Olga and Vlaad, Vinent Van Guff, Rinaldo, Rafael, Frankenstein, Frankfurter, Frankincence and last but not least Frank -and anyone else I missed (sorry), "â¦.Welcome to an evening of enlightment. Your host is none other than Salahuddin-tickets are for FREE (my complementsâ¦) Please Note: Only the Queen's English will be used, off course. (Message for Ms. Elizabeth2: aren't you ashamed of your disloyal subjects who are destroying the mother tongue? ). And of course*****ONLY in THE RANTBURG-the esteemed paper of Great Britain******."
Today the unfortunate victim will beâ¦â¦â¦..yesâ¦â¦â¦.FRANK!!!! So hold on tightâ¦.
Dear Frank, you stated, " #66â¦Our 'Zionist co-conspirators' aren't that stupid, but you are....must be the missing intelligence gene inherent in Islam" So you believe that behavioral traits are genetic and inherited? (Is that too hard for you, Frank?) Well let's suppose that behavioral traits are inherited, as you say. Then, I will need to teach you some thing about your ancestors. (Aren't British Schools doing their job? They should pay me!) Let's talk about your ancestorsâ¦Guess whoâ¦.Got it! THE FRANKS!!!
Todays' lessons will be on 1. "Franks and marital jealousy" and 2. "Frankish medicine." (Take out your notebooks boysâ¦.) Lesson 1. The Franks and Marital Jealousy: The Franks are without any vestige of a sense of honour and jealousy. If one of them goes along the street with his wife and meets a friend, this man will take the woman's hand and lead her aside to talk, while the husband stands by waiting until she has finished her conversation. If she takes too long about it he leaves her with the other man and goes on his way. Here is an example of this from my personal experience: while I was in Nablus, I stayed with a man called Mu'izz, whose house served as an inn for Muslim travelers. Its windows overlooked the street. On the other side of the road lived a Frank who sold wine for the merchants; he would take a bottle of wine from one of them and publicize it, announcing that such-and-such a merchant had just opened a hogshead of it, and could be found at such-and-such a place by anyone wishing to buy some; "â¦and I will give him the first right to the wine in this bottle."
Now this man returned home one day and found a man in bed with his wife. "What are you doing here with my wife?" he demanded. "I was tired", replied the man and so I came in to rest." "And how do you come to be in my bed?" "I found the bed made up and lay down to sleep." "And this woman slept with you, I suppose?" "The bed", he replied, "is hers. How could I prevent her getting into her own bed?" "I swear if you do it again I shall take you to court!"---and this was his only reaction, the heart of his outburst of jealousy!
I heard a similar case from a bath attendant called Salim from Ma'arra who worked in one of my father's bath-houses. This is his tale: I earned my living in Ma'arra by opening a bath house. One day a Frankish knight came in. They do not follow our custom of wearing a cloth round their waist while they are at the baths, and this fellow put out his hand, snatched off my loin-cloth and threw it away. He saw at once that I had just recently shaved my pubic hair. "Salim!" he explained. I came toward him and he pointed to that part of me. "Salim! It's magnificient! You shall certainly do the same for me!" And he lay down flat on his back. His hair there was as long as his beard. I shaved him, and when he had felt the place with his hand and found it agreeably smooth he said, "Salim, you must certainly do the same for my Dama."
In their language Dama means lady, or wife. He sent his valet to fetch his wife, and when they arrived and the valet had brought her in, she lay down on her back, and he said to me: "Do to her what you did to me." So I shaved her pubic hair, while her husband stood by watching me. Then he thanked me and paid me for my services.
You will observe a strange contradiction in their character: they are without jealousy or a sense of honour and yet at the same time they have the courage that as a rule springs only from a sense of honour and a readiness to take offence.
Lesson 2 : Frankish medicine: The ruler of Munaitra (near Lebanon, which was in Frankish hands at that time) wrote to my uncle asking him to send a doctor to treat some of his followers who were ill. My uncle sent a Christian (Arab) called Thabit. After only ten days he returned and we said, "You cured them quickly!" This was his story: They took me to a knight who had an abscess in his leg, and a woman with consumption. I applied a poultice to the leg and the abscess opened and began to heal. I prescribed a cleansing and refreshing diet for the woman. Then there appeared a Frankish doctor, who said: "This man has no idea how to cure these people!' He turned to the knight and said: "Which would you prefer, to live with one leg or to die with two?" When the knight replied that he would prefer to live with one leg, he sent for a strong man and a sharp axe. They arrived and I stood by to watch. The doctor supported the leg on a block of wood and said to the man, "strike a mighty blow and cut cleanly!" And there before my eyes, the fellow struck the knight one blow, and then another, for the first had not finished the job. The marrow spurted out of the leg, and the patient died instantaneously. Then the doctor examined the woman and said, "She has a devil in her head who is in love with her. Cut her hair off!" This was done and she went back to eating her usual Frankish food, garlic and mustard, which made her illness worse. "The devil has got into her brain," pronounced the doctor. He took a razor and cut a cross on her head, and removed the brain so that the inside of the skull was laid bare. This he rubbed with salt; the woman died instantly. At this juncture I asked whether they had any further need of me, and as they had none I came away, having learnt things about medical methods that I never knew before.
Class over Frank and classmates. Students, your homework is to try and find out which of these traits of your great grandfathers are present in you. Keep looking for my articles in the esteemed paper of Great Britain, "The Rantburg."

Posted by Salahuddin 2004-07-14 4:20:55 PM|| 2004-07-14 4:20:55 PM|| Front Page Top

#78 Whatever you're on... could you send me some?

Posted by tu3031 2004-07-14 4:22:59 PM|| 2004-07-14 4:22:59 PM|| Front Page Top

#79 Fred, baby, this is IP time, lol!

Posted by .com 2004-07-14 4:25:32 PM|| 2004-07-14 4:25:32 PM|| Front Page Top

#80 I don't think Frank actually said behaviour is inherited. So your, um, stuff about the Franks is irrelevant, Sal m'boy.

Posted by Bulldog 2004-07-14 4:38:31 PM|| 2004-07-14 4:38:31 PM|| Front Page Top

#81 Why is every time I read something of Sal's....it's like there is circus music playing in the background?

Posted by Rex Mundi 2004-07-14 4:57:11 PM|| 2004-07-14 4:57:11 PM|| Front Page Top

#82 Wow. This dude's straight out of a Firesign Theater skit. He's definitely high on the Real Thing.

Posted by Dave D. 2004-07-14 5:05:04 PM|| 2004-07-14 5:05:04 PM|| Front Page Top

#83 A clean windshield, full tank of gas, and a shoeshine?

(I don' have that one... how 'bout this? Lol!)

Posted by .com 2004-07-14 5:11:50 PM|| 2004-07-14 5:11:50 PM|| Front Page Top

#84 Troll Hunt; a True Tale of Life in Rantburg
by Mike

The Army of Steve walked warily down the Rantburg street, their hat brims pulled way down low. There was no sound but the sound of their feet, but their machine guns were ready to go.

"See anything?" Steve asked.

"Nope," Steve replied. "When Bulldog called, he said it was a Gaza troll, a big one, with strips in its fur."

"Great," Steve muttered sarcastically. "Gaza trolls are like Serbian lop-ears, only bigger and meaner, and you remember how tough those Serbian lop-ears were to get rid of!"

"Yeah. On the other hand, Fred keeps us well-supplied with whiskey and lobsters, and real estate in Rantburg is surprisingly affordable."

"Careful there, buddy, you're starting to sound like the Chamber of Commerce again."

"Sorry, man--say, look over there!"

"Where?"

"Over by that fence."

"That looks like Murat."

"Th-th-that's not Murat!" Steve muttered nervously.

The troll reared up on its hind legs and roared defiantly: "I AM SALAHUDDIN! PREPARE TO HAVE YOUR BANDWIDTH DEVOURED!"

Steve flicked off the safety. "I'll lay down some suppression fire; you flank him and get him into the sink trap."

The troll began to charge. Steve squeezed the trigger . . . .

. . . to be continued . . .

Posted by Mike 2004-07-14 5:30:21 PM|| 2004-07-14 5:30:21 PM|| Front Page Top

#85 That be the one, dot-com. I remember that Rooster-rama skit, too.

Posted by Dave D. 2004-07-14 5:32:46 PM|| 2004-07-14 5:32:46 PM|| Front Page Top

#86 Frank, don't feel scared. You can post a reply, I promise.

Posted by Salahuddin 2004-07-14 5:51:57 PM|| 2004-07-14 5:51:57 PM|| Front Page Top

#87 Yo, Sal, lol... How's the flying carpet business doing these days? I heard Osama might be in need real soon.

Posted by Mark Espinola 2004-07-14 6:04:22 PM|| 2004-07-14 6:04:22 PM|| Front Page Top

#88 This is my last goodbye to the Rantburg. Frank, I am sorry to have offended you. I know behavioral traits are not inherited, so don't worry. Like your friend "Bulldog" said, that does not apply to you (Ha! Ha!). If I have offended anybody PERSONALLY, I ask for his/her forgiveness. I don't want all of you lining up against me on the Day of judgement in front of God. But all my statements in deep admiration of Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi, Hamas and Islamic Jihaad stand, off course. And my deep, deep hatred for the vile and despicable zionist dung beetles (and any friend of theirs) stand, off course. And "Israelis" need to be expelled or exterminated, off course (and I have given all the reasons for that). I will not be reading the Rantburg for your replies because I know you will say something bad about me. Some people will never change! But I hope one of you will!!! Take care.
Your friend in humanity...Salahuddin.

Posted by Salahuddin 2004-07-14 6:54:42 PM|| 2004-07-14 6:54:42 PM|| Front Page Top

#89 Salahuddin--

Gosh, you make your subhuman lobotomized death cult sound so wonderful. No wonder Antisemite loves it so much.

Posted by BMN 2004-07-14 7:06:39 PM|| 2004-07-14 7:06:39 PM|| Front Page Top

#90 Man-o-man. I drive out of DC, go to the gym, go running, and miss all the fun. I wanna play.

Posted by Dragon Fly 2004-07-14 7:07:44 PM|| 2004-07-14 7:07:44 PM|| Front Page Top

#91 LOL - wow Sal, that really hit home..er ...with someone, I guess? You are entertaining, but don't quit yer dayjob (assuming you have one?). Reply to eatmyass@muzzeintime.com ;-)

Posted by Frank G 2004-07-14 7:39:45 PM|| 2004-07-14 7:39:45 PM|| Front Page Top

#92 Sal, buddy, by the way, I forgot you existed 2 days after this thread started - 7/10/04. The fact that you feel the need to get back 4 days later must indicate my juvenile snide insults to your family, culture, hygiene habits, intellectual dearth, and person...hit home....I'd suggest therapy, asshat, you've got issues, which I apparently picked like a scab...

Posted by Frank G 2004-07-14 7:43:45 PM|| 2004-07-14 7:43:45 PM|| Front Page Top

#93 Is it safe? Or will we be comming back to this thread for years and years and years?

Posted by tu3031 2004-07-14 8:51:05 PM|| 2004-07-14 8:51:05 PM|| Front Page Top

#94
Helloooooooooooooooo you all for another "evening of enlightment" and only in "The Rantburg." (P.S. I've decided to return one more time.) By the way, I lived in the West for many years and I know how to deal with insults. The rule is: When someone insults you, and you are patient and control your language, it's 10 good deeds written for you and a 100 bad deeds written for the insulter. So don't worry...I'm going to have a nice balance come the day of judgment!!! Thank you all. You help me go to heaven and I help you go to hell.
I also welcome "Rex Mundi, Dragon Fly, BMN, tu3031, David D, Mike and Com 2004" to today's evening of enlightment. Today's lesson is entitled "ROGER THE FRANKS' FART AND ITS' SOCIAL AND PSYCHOLOGICAL IMPLICATIONS" (Why isn't the British Ministry of Education doing its' jobâ¦ugh?). Students, start taking your notes: In 1097, the Franks attacked Syria. This is how it all began: Baldwin, their King, a kinsman of Roger the Frank who had conquered Sicily, assembled a great army and sent word to Roger saying: "I have assembled a great army and now I am on my way to you, to use your bases for my conquest of the African coast. Thus you and I shall become neighbors." Roger called together his companions and consulted them about these proposals. "This will be a fine thing both for them and for us!" they declared, "for by this means these lands will be converted to the faith!" At this Roger raised one leg and farted loudlyâ¦"I swear this is of more use to me than your advice." Why you ask? "Because if this army comes here it will need quantities of provisions and fleets of ships to transport it to Africa, as well as reinforcements from my own troops. Then if the Franks succeed in conquering this territory they will take it over and will need provisioning from Sicily. This will cost me my annual profit of the harvest. If they fail they will return here and be an embarrassment to me here in my own domain. As well as this Tamim (The amir of Tunisia, Tamim ibn Mu'izz) will say that I have broken faith with him and violated our treaty, and friendly relations and communications between us and them will be disrupted. As far as we are concerned, Africa is always there. When we are strong enough we will take it.
He summoned Baldwin's messenger and said to him: "If you have decided to make war on the Muslims your best course will be to free Jerusalem from their rule and thereby win great honor. I am bound by certain promises and treaties of allegiance with the rulers of Africa." So the Franks made ready and set out to attack Syriaâ¦
Students your homework for today is to answer the following questions:
What are the social and psychological implications of Roger the Franks' fart? What does that tell you about the great Count? Do you find his personal hygiene disagreeable? What characteristics of Frankish society might have caused such behaviour? Would you consider it as a barbaric act? Do you feel the above account portrays a fairly accurate picture of Roger's political acumen? Please submit your answers before the next lesson. And please keep looking for my articles in "The Rantburg." (P.S. Please be present for all the classes as you may miss vital information).

Posted by Salahuddin 2004-07-15 3:31:22 PM|| 2004-07-15 3:31:22 PM|| Front Page Top

#95 Again, whatever you're on......SEND ME SOME!!!!!

Posted by tu3031 2004-07-15 3:35:15 PM|| 2004-07-15 3:35:15 PM|| Front Page Top

#96 Sala,
Im sorry but I am new to this post and must comment on earlier posts... My question to you is at what point does a young Isreali (Zionist) decide that he is a soldier? Does he have a choice? Could it possibly be that many of the "soldiers" that are being targeted by bombings, shootings, ect. have no intention of harming a Palistinian at any time in thier lives? I find it disturbing to find that after spending your time in this country you never grasped one of the most valuable lessons we have learned since the founding of our county and that is that "all men are created equal" and through that equality all have the right to "life and the pursuit of happiness". Yes, I agree that over the entire expanse of history your people have been wronged many times, however, that does not mean that you have a right to the genocide of the Jewish people. Should all African-Americans in our country rise up and kill off all whites in America because of past wrongs? Do the Scotts have the right to rise up against England because of past wrongs? Does America have the right to rise up against all muslims the world over because of the massacre of civilians carried out by a small sect of Islam? No, you prosecute those individuals that have wronged you and if those individuals are dead and gone, Im sorry, but you do not have a right to carry out your revenge upon thier children. I think that anyone here that has read what you have said has seen your comments to be seeded not in "peace" but rather in hate and vengence. In America we have learned (and are continuing to learn) to live with diversity in our thinking, religion and ethnicity. What you have said in your past posts has been in such bold contrast to this that I had to put in my 2 cents.

Posted by Jaman 2004-07-15 5:03:07 PM|| 2004-07-15 5:03:07 PM|| Front Page Top

#97 Salahuddin-

God created "Zionists and Masons". If you destroy them, you destroy God's creation. Better get a darned good apology ready for Allah; he tends to be heavyhanded with sentencing.

Palestinians have suffered. So have Jews, for much longer, and with many more dead loved ones. If your need to hate is so strong that you need scapegoats to take on your suffering for you, there's nothing any of us can do to help, nor will we. We will see the demise of you, and of Islam if it doesn't change its Neandrathal expressions. When Islam accepts its own role in the suffering of Palestinians, then possibly our conversation can continue.

As far as justifying beating your wife, this is a sign to me that you aren't human at all. You actually believe you're God guiding an inferior critter. I think in psychology it's called a God complex.

Your religion isn't leaving peace on earth-it's leaving a scar or misery, regret, arrogance, and doom. You get a twinkle in your eye when you think about death; we get it when we think about life.

Posted by jules 187 2004-07-15 5:39:21 PM|| 2004-07-15 5:39:21 PM|| Front Page Top

#98 Salhuddin? Let's do more drive 'em into the sea talk!

Posted by Shamu 2004-07-15 5:42:45 PM|| 2004-07-15 5:42:45 PM|| Front Page Top

#99 I had a teacher like that. He's institutionalized now....:-)

Posted by Frank G 2004-07-15 5:55:22 PM|| 2004-07-15 5:55:22 PM|| Front Page Top

#100 Dear Jaman,
I'm surprised. You sound like a gentler soul who uses the Queens' English (with some run-ons and modifying danglers). I never thought people like you existed there. Where are my foul-mouthed friends? Where are you, "bulldog", "C3PO", "Frank!!!!????" But I must be careful-"every rose has its thorn". And the next thing I know, out you come with the expletives. Jaman, I used to think like you too but the "West" never taught me what I have learnt here in the middle-east. And who talked about genocide against the "jewish" people? You made that up, my friend in humanity! I think I used the word "zionist dung" (If I'm not mistaken) who call themselves "Israelis", "Jews", "the Chosen People", "Semites" and all those holy sounding names and who live in their nuclear, chemical and biologically mechanized den of theives called "Israel." Off course they have nothing to do with those names or with Prophet Abraham, Prophet Isaac, Prophet Jacob, Prophet Moses and Prophet Jesus (Peace be on them all). Those names are really meant to camouflage who they really are: perverted, murderous, materialistic, fascist, savage, neo-pagan, fanatic, evolutionist, eugenic, racist, sexist, anti-religious, tyrannical, anti-Christ, "Masonic", Satanic, Baphometic, sodomic dung . Compared to them, Adolph Hitler would appear like Mr. Rogers ("in Mr. Rogers neighborhood T.V. show"), and that's most certainly an understatement. Read carefully about their origins and reason for existence and how they are using my beautiful country, America, and its resources to further their evil goals. But we Americans will soon uncover them, God willing. You must remember that Jews have always lived with us in peace in Palestine until the dung from Europe forced their way there. Calling themselves "Jews" and "Israelis" they started stealing our land. They say they have returned now after 2000 years. They are liars. They and their forefathers have always lived in Europe. They have no Semitic genes-NOT ONE! And the Palestinians have been living in Palsetine 7000 years-continuously, from then until now, long before even Prophet Abraham (peace be upon him). It is our land. Remember again, we hate them because they have stolen our land and thrown us out. They can believe all the dung they want-just don't steal our land. Go back home to Eastern Europe and believe your dung there. So we are in a state of war with them. You know what that means? You don't "prosecute" the enemy while you are fighting them. You can't bring lawyers with you. Not practical. You say "Could it possibly be that many of the "soldiers" that are being targeted by bombings, shootings, ect. have no intention of harming a Palistinian at any time in their lives?" Are you joking with me? You should be on David Letterman. Whoever heard of a soldier who doesn't want to harm? You say we are rising up against them for "past wrongs?" Do you have a television in your house or "Fox" news? Have you seen what a bulldozer demolishing a house with a family inside it looks like? They bulldozed an American Jewish lady to death who had come all the way from America to stand in the way of an Israeli bulldozer bulldozing a Palestinian house. Did you see her getting buried alive on T.V.? (I forgot you have FOX news-get a TV today, please). We have our land deeds in our hands, Mister. Where's the justice? Islam will stand up for the oppressed, the weak, the poor and the downtrodden. It will fight if it has to. They are using U.S. made F-16's, U.S. made Abrams tanks, U.S. made Apache helicopters against our seven year olds armed with slingshots and the dung are still scared like crazy from our brave little darlings. Don't you have a T.V? How dare they use our American made arms against our babies or any babies. Are you really an American or just a poor excuse for one? You say you "Carry out your revenge upon their children". That is a straight lie from a 101 text book. The women and children are among the dung-What can you do? War has "collateral damage," "unintended casualties of war." I didn't make these statements up. These are the words of the President of the U.S.A. and his Defense Secretary. How did those RAF pilots drop their bombs in World War II? They had revenge in their hearts against German women and children? They had revenge against the Nazis. This is why it's not a good idea to steal other peoples land. It results in war. Remember Hitler-Poland, France, Czechoslovakia. (Could have been Englandâ¦You would have been a Nazi today.) And remember that's just an analogy for you. The Palestinian case is much, much worse. Sorry, this issue makes me emotional-because unlike you, I have seen both sides of the story.
GOD BLESS AMERICA- MY HOME SWEET HOME and donât you forget that-EVER-A Proud American-(By the way, Long Live Hamas, Islamic Jihad and off course Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi.) Students-you have homework for tomorrow.

Posted by Salahuddin 2004-07-15 9:07:31 PM|| 2004-07-15 9:07:31 PM|| Front Page Top

#101 ~~Kafir~~ Slalhuddin:

I was just thinking. Perhaps you would enjoy joining us in some of our more contemporary threads. You contribution is priceless. OMYGOD I just spit up Diet Coke through my nose.

Posted by Dragon Fly 2004-07-15 9:39:57 PM|| 2004-07-15 9:39:57 PM|| Front Page Top

#102 Islams answer to Jethro Tull's: "Living In The Past"...oh wait, that was redundant?

Posted by Frank G 2004-07-15 10:20:51 PM|| 2004-07-15 10:20:51 PM|| Front Page Top

#103 Damn! I'm in "Groundhog Day"!

Posted by tu3031 2004-07-15 10:39:51 PM|| 2004-07-15 10:39:51 PM|| Front Page Top

#104 like Herpes, Islamotrolls never really go away, do they...for them, Sinktrap is bliss

Posted by Frank G 2004-07-15 10:42:43 PM|| 2004-07-15 10:42:43 PM|| Front Page Top

#105 Hey, Salahuddin - still going with your 4th century interior monologue? Any more time on RB and the wife will be missing a beating! Go on - give her a good slap from the RB'ers as well.

Posted by Howard UK 2004-07-16 8:03:29 AM|| 2004-07-16 8:03:29 AM|| Front Page Top

#106 My FINAL (maybe) letter to the Rantburg is unfortunately addressed to your parents. "Bulldog" and the "gang"-you must fill this letter out and then hand it to your parents.
Instructions for filling out this letter: Type your fathers' family name in your mothers' family name blank (Sorry-but we must work within the culture). Now, for your father, it's easy-just select "Mr," but for your mother, you must choose from "Miss", "Mrs," or "Ms." Sorry again, but we must work within the constraints of the English language. We will use "Franks' parents as an example.

Dear Mr. Frank and Miss/Mrs./Ms. Frank.,
How are you doing? This is your child's Frankish history teacher. Frank is a friendly and well behaved child but his overall result is slightly discouraging. He has trouble expressing himself and instructions have to be repeated for his benefit. He usually talks in spurts of six to seven words. He is at times very shy and withdrawn. I suggest you buy him the "Ms.Elizabeth2 vocabulary builder series." Please also invest in the Prince Edward "Grammar in Action" series (available now in the Barnes and Noble bookstores). Also note that your child has some problems with the third conditional, especially when used in talking about unreal past events and situations (impossible conditions-"If I had/hadn't + p.p."). Please encourage your son to watch more T.V. especially the Arabic news channels "Aljazeera", "Arabiya", and "AL-Manar" T.V. It seems the "BBC" is not helping him with his language fluency. I also encourage him to watch the "Discovery" channel" and "Spacetoons " . Frank is a shy child and needs to go out into the garden to play with other children. He needs to build his confidence. I especially recommend him playing with Crazy fool, Shamu, Jaman, Dragon Fly and Jules- (but please note: Jules is a very naughty little girl with a sharp tongue. She has apparently picked up some long words from her bad boyfriends. Just look at what she said about my wife and I: "We will see the demise of you, and of Islam if it doesn't change its Neandrathal expressions. When Islam accepts its own role in the suffering of Palestinians, then possibly our conversation can continue. As far as justifying beating your wife, this is a sign to me that you aren't human at all. You actually believe you're God guiding an inferior critter."---"Demise", "Neandrathal" (spelling mistake), "Not human", "darned", "inferior critter", "God complex???????". Shame on her. Please call up her parents and have them tell her that she mustn't talk like that. And call up the parents of her boyfriends. I strongly believe those rough boys are making her the goalkeeper and pulling her hair very hard. And I have a hunch that her father has never bought her a single "Barbie" doll-only footballs and Tonka trucks and that he makes her cut her hair with the boysâ¦imagine the psychological impact of all that on her femininity! No wonder she is talking like that. And please, do not let your son play with "Bulldog", especially when he's eating his daily meals. Please also buy him a skateboard if he has a walkway along his garden. Remind him to push with one foot and then stand on the skateboard with two feet. (He must not hold the skateboard with his hands). That should keep him occupied. Moreover, kindly encourage him not to feel guilty about his Frankish past. Remind him that behavioral traits are not inherited and a few orientalized Franks who lived with us for some time were actually quite decent people (although they were the exception). Your child sometimes uses bad words in the six or seven that he utters and this practice must be discontinued. In addition, please encourage him to participate in extra-curricular activities. Let him learn to play the guitar. Have him play:

Sunday morning up is the Lark,
Think I'll take a walk in the park,
Hey, Hey, Heyâ¦It's a beautiful day,
It's a Laa, Laa, Laa..a beautiful Sunnnnnday,
It's a Maa, Maa, Maa, a beautiful Dayyyyy,
Sunday morning up is the Lark,
Think I'll take a walk in the park,
Hey, Hey, Heyâ¦It's a beautiful day.

However, Do NOT let him join the Jerry Fallwell Christian-Zionist ministries or his local Rotary chapter as this will further confuse him and may damage him for life. I want to add that it was a pleasure to have Frank in my class. With patience, proper guidance, dedication and hard work, he can grow up to be a strong, healthy, confident, young man, fluent in the Queens' English.

Kind Regards
Salahuddin Qasim
Franks' Frankish History Teacher.

"Frank, take this note and give it to your parents. And don't worry. They love you and nobody can love you like them."â¦..ONLY IN THE RANTBURGâ¦..

Posted by Salahuddin 2004-07-16 10:16:09 AM|| 2004-07-16 10:16:09 AM|| Front Page Top

#107 I like it - idiot

Posted by Frank G 2004-07-16 10:26:00 AM|| 2004-07-16 10:26:00 AM|| Front Page Top

#108 What the hell did you do to this guy, Frank? The poor miserable sod's developed a full-blown obsession about you.

Posted by Dave D. 2004-07-16 10:40:37 AM|| 2004-07-16 10:40:37 AM|| Front Page Top

#109 Jules is a very naughty little girl with a sharp tongue.

I've been bad. Dang, I was kinda hoping that Frank, Mark E or .com would be the ones to give me a spanking, and I end up with this God-pretender.

BTW-My hair is to mid back and I have a special affection garters, corset, and other feminine accoutrements.

Posted by jules 187 2004-07-16 11:01:28 AM|| 2004-07-16 11:01:28 AM|| Front Page Top

#110 mmmmmmmm now there's a visual :-)~

Posted by Frank G 2004-07-16 11:11:31 AM|| 2004-07-16 11:11:31 AM|| Front Page Top

#111 Sal,
I added a link to Jerry Falwell's ministry for all of us who probably have no idea who he is. (I must confess his name was firmiliar but I wasn't sure until I took a look myself) Correct me if Im wrong but isnt Falwell a part of the "wings of eagles" program which provides airfare for Jews outside of Israel to return to thier homeland? (at least thats what comes to mind)***the plot thickens***

I must comment on the skateboard joke "Remind him to push with one foot and then stand on the skateboard with two feet." I must confess to enjoying that particular part of your rantings.

In my earlier post I was atempting to argue against your statement that all Israeli males being born "soldiers". You misunderstood me and replied, "Whoever heard of a soldier who doesn't want to harm?". Let me state that not all Israeli's (zionists--whatever) are soldiers, militants, or a part of this secret society jargon that you picked up from books similar to "The Da Vinci Code". I wonder if you have ever met an Israeli or if you are basing your beliefs solely upon the beliefs of an outside third party. Let me tell you that thinking for yourself really is a good (and neccesary) exercise and is the key to you becoming a productive member of your society rather than a mindless drone. (I apologize for any offense, it was not my intention to offend)

Posted by Jaman 2004-07-16 12:09:57 PM|| [www.falwell.com] 2004-07-16 12:09:57 PM|| Front Page Top

#112 Rotary charter? My parents were a part of both the Rotary group and the Kiwanis group back home. Never was there any talk in regards to the oppression of the palestinian people. Also, just as a judge of character, they would not have been involved with any organization bent on the destruction of others. (they just didnt have the time to spend scheming and ploting)

This all sounds just like when (a small group of)black people in America say that "The White Man" is trying to keep them down. I always found this somewhat confusing being a white male in America so I tried to come up with a list of all the things that I was doing that could be keeping them down. The only thing that I could find was that I held a job to support myself that a black person could have if I wasnt there. What I got from that is that the idealism at the root of that statement was simply a victim mentality, there to remove all responsibility off of the shoulders of the individual for his/her actions and places it upon another part of society. (now that I have opened up that box let me close it by saying I have the utmost respect for anyone in society, any ethnicity, who works hard to make a way for themselves. Similar mentalities exist within every race here in America. I was only using a similar example) When the Palestinian people are able to get past the mindset that there is some sect of society (Jews, Israeli's, Zionists, Free-Masons, Jerry Falwell) working against them they will be able to then take responsibility for thier own situation and progress as a society and a people. Right now they are at a social standstill.

Posted by Jaman 2004-07-16 12:35:09 PM|| 2004-07-16 12:35:09 PM|| Front Page Top

#113 (One more time folks...a gift from me!!!)
Dear Jaman,
"Mindless Drone?" "Victim mentality?" "Social Standstill?" And I thought you were a gentler soul from the other side. Alas!!! Didn't I predict the expletives would start appearing? Jaman, you asked me, "I wonder if you have ever met an Israeli?" Now how in the world do you expect me to do that, Jaman? You know I'm not a "mad scientist". But perhaps you have a time machine that can transport me back 4000 years? Can you send it here by DHL (next day service please- about $38)? I'll try it out, I promise. And incase it works, I'll meet an Israeli in Jericho on Friday the 13th 3,723 B.C. and then come back to tell you how he was. Now, Jaman, I am sure you realize that by the time a person reaches puberty, he can think for himself and can be held accountable. (I really didn't think I was going to have to explain this to you butâ¦.) Lets say an "Israeli" (as you call them) reaches puberty at 20 (to be on the safe side.) Do you think he'll be able to realize that he cannot be an "Israeli" but is actually part of the dung from Eastern Europe that came to Palestine and stole our land? I mean tell me how long do I have to wait before I can throw him out of my property? Please ask your doctor because I think you Europeans reach puberty a little later than us. You Mindless Drone!!!! Didn't God give you a brain? What kind of people am I dealing with hereâ¦..(Sorry Jaman-I apologize). You say, "My parents were a part of both the Rotary group and the Kiwanis group back home. Never was there any talk in regards to the oppression of the palestinian people. Also, just as a judge of character, they would not have been involved with any organization bent on the destruction of others. (they just didnt have the time to spend scheming and ploting)." ("Ploting"-You're writing for the Rantburg, Jaman. Didn't you check your spelling?). By the way, were your dad and mom part of the lunch crew at the Rotary cafeteria? Mr.and (Miss, Mrs., Ms.,) Jaman? Yes, I think I bought a turkey sandwich from them. (I had gone to the Rotary to sell some of my underwear after J.C. Penny's 7 day refund period expired). I had asked your dad if he was part of a conspiracy. He told me the whole tale as I am a Muslim . (but he told me to never tell you as you would disown him)!!! I am just going to tell you what he told me of their initiation ceremony because I trust you will not disown your dad but try to correct him and bring him back on the right path. "â¦ the ceremony begins. There is an uneven series of knocks at the door. "Your Worshipful," a disciple announces, "a pagan wishes to enter." The Grand Master strikes the table with one blow with his axe. Immediately the oversized door swings open and slams against the inner wall. Two guards escort the initiate to the center of the room where he faces the twelve Masons with his back to the grand master's throne. The Pagan, as he is called, is wearing a plain black hood and a blindfold. His identity is known to Grand Master Licio Gelli, but to no one else. He is asked one question by each of the disciples, but the Pagan does not answer, instead, one of the guards speaks for him. Once all the ritual questions about purpose and belief and reason for wanting to become a member of Propaganda Due are answered, the Pagan is turned to face the Grand Master, who asks, "Pagan, are you prepared to die in order to preserve the secrets of Propaganda Due?" The initiate now answers for himself: "I am." "Do you have the necessary quality of contempt for danger?" "I do." "Do you have the necessary quality of courage?" "I am courageous...". "And Pagan, are you prepared to fight and perhaps face shame, even death, so that we who may become your Brothers may destroy this Government and form a Presidency?" "I am." Then the blindfold is removed. It takes a moment for the initiate's vision to clear, because this is the first time since entering the compound that he has been allowed to see light. The blindfold serves a purpose other than security. It also represents power: "Without membership one is blind; with the help of the order, however, the way is clear." After listening to the story, your dad made me the turkey sandwich. I ate it and then used the Rotary toilet. I messed it up and scribbled "zionist dung" on the wall. I sold my underwear on my way out for $25.00. Then I went back home.

Posted by Salahuddin 2004-07-16 8:08:29 PM|| 2004-07-16 8:08:29 PM|| Front Page Top

#114 (One more time folks...a gift from me!!!)
Dear Jaman,
"Mindless Drone?" "Victim mentality?" "Social Standstill?" And I thought you were a gentler soul from the other side. Alas!!! Didn't I predict the expletives would start appearing? Jaman, you asked me, "I wonder if you have ever met an Israeli?" Now how in the world do you expect me to do that, Jaman? You know I'm not a "mad scientist". But perhaps you have a time machine that can transport me back 4000 years? Can you send it here by DHL (next day service please- about $38)? I'll try it out, I promise. And incase it works, I'll meet an Israeli in Jericho on Friday the 13th 3,723 B.C. and then come back to tell you how he was. Now, Jaman, I am sure you realize that by the time a person reaches puberty, he can think for himself and can be held accountable. (I really didn't think I was going to have to explain this to you butâ¦.) Lets say an "Israeli" (as you call them) reaches puberty at 20 (to be on the safe side.) Do you think he'll be able to realize that he cannot be an "Israeli" but is actually part of the dung from Eastern Europe that came to Palestine and stole our land? I mean tell me how long do I have to wait before I can throw him out of my property? Please ask your doctor because I think you Europeans reach puberty a little later than us. You Mindless Drone!!!! Didn't God give you a brain? What kind of people am I dealing with hereâ¦..(Sorry Jaman-I apologize). You say, "My parents were a part of both the Rotary group and the Kiwanis group back home. Never was there any talk in regards to the oppression of the palestinian people. Also, just as a judge of character, they would not have been involved with any organization bent on the destruction of others. (they just didnt have the time to spend scheming and ploting)." ("Ploting"-You're writing for the Rantburg, Jaman. Didn't you check your spelling?). By the way, were your dad and mom part of the lunch crew at the Rotary cafeteria? Mr.and (Miss, Mrs., Ms.,) Jaman? Yes, I think I bought a turkey sandwich from them. (I had gone to the Rotary to sell some of my underwear after J.C. Penny's 7 day refund period expired). I had asked your dad if he was part of a conspiracy. He told me the whole tale as I am a Muslim . (but he told me to never tell you as you would disown him)!!! I am just going to tell you what he told me of their initiation ceremony because I trust you will not disown your dad but try to correct him and bring him back on the right path. "â¦ the ceremony begins. There is an uneven series of knocks at the door. "Your Worshipful," a disciple announces, "a pagan wishes to enter." The Grand Master strikes the table with one blow with his axe. Immediately the oversized door swings open and slams against the inner wall. Two guards escort the initiate to the center of the room where he faces the twelve Masons with his back to the grand master's throne. The Pagan, as he is called, is wearing a plain black hood and a blindfold. His identity is known to Grand Master Licio Gelli, but to no one else. He is asked one question by each of the disciples, but the Pagan does not answer, instead, one of the guards speaks for him. Once all the ritual questions about purpose and belief and reason for wanting to become a member of Propaganda Due are answered, the Pagan is turned to face the Grand Master, who asks, "Pagan, are you prepared to die in order to preserve the secrets of Propaganda Due?" The initiate now answers for himself: "I am." "Do you have the necessary quality of contempt for danger?" "I do." "Do you have the necessary quality of courage?" "I am courageous...". "And Pagan, are you prepared to fight and perhaps face shame, even death, so that we who may become your Brothers may destroy this Government and form a Presidency?" "I am." Then the blindfold is removed. It takes a moment for the initiate's vision to clear, because this is the first time since entering the compound that he has been allowed to see light. The blindfold serves a purpose other than security. It also represents power: "Without membership one is blind; with the help of the order, however, the way is clear." After listening to the story, your dad made me the turkey sandwich. I ate it and then used the Rotary toilet. I messed it up and scribbled "zionist dung" on the wall. I sold my underwear on my way out for $25.00. Then I went back home.

Posted by Salahuddin 2004-07-16 8:09:04 PM|| 2004-07-16 8:09:04 PM|| Front Page Top

#115 Sorry management dept., the second sending was a mistake. I apologize.

Posted by Salahuddin 2004-07-16 8:27:32 PM|| 2004-07-16 8:27:32 PM|| Front Page Top

#116 "Hey!", Where is everybody? Must be Saturday night in Great Britain when everyone is drunk and stoned! I must go to pray now. Its morning here. Bye!

Posted by Salahuddin 2004-07-16 9:00:55 PM|| 2004-07-16 9:00:55 PM|| Front Page Top

#117 another excuse to plant your flat forehead on the carpet and stick your ass in the air...not that there's anything wrong with that, but really! weekly prostate checks?

Posted by Frank G 2004-07-16 9:07:47 PM|| 2004-07-16 9:07:47 PM|| Front Page Top

#118 Yo..yes you---> Sal, cool it with the same old worn out to the max, running Saudi line of crapola.

How many weeks training did you receive in Afghanistan anyway?

Milk your goat.

Posted by Mark Espinola 2004-07-16 9:09:31 PM|| 2004-07-16 9:09:31 PM|| Front Page Top

#119 Holy mackerel.

Wondered what all the racket was, and here it's poor, mad Salahuddin stumbling around in a week-old Rantburg thread, acting out elaborate fantasies involving Pagans and Grand Masters, hinting at dark conspiracies involving the "Jerry Fallwell Christian-Zionist ministries" and the local Rotary chapter, and crying out plaintively, "Where is everybody?" when no one answers him.

Poor, mad fool. No wonder Arab society is in the shitter.

Posted by Dave D. 2004-07-16 9:32:18 PM|| 2004-07-16 9:32:18 PM|| Front Page Top

#120 I've got your history of the Franks right here, buddy, LOL. It involves a lot of Arab ass-kicking, but then again, don't most people's histories? Who have they vanquished? Other Arabs. Losers

Posted by Frank G 2004-07-16 9:38:32 PM|| 2004-07-16 9:38:32 PM|| Front Page Top

#121 Wish I'd checked in on this thread earlier.

Sal, I'll put it to you this way: I spotted so many holes in your arguments after your first few posts that I stopped reading them after a while. If you were a book, I'd have thrown you across the room and complained vigorously about the poor plotting and weak characters. And I survived reading the novelization of Stargate twice, for craying out loud. Don't ask me why I read it the second time; must have been late at night.

Anyway, since you're all doing the time-warp thing, I suppose it's only appropriate that I show up at some point. You say a lot of things that contradict one another - but that's not because we don't "understand Islam," I'll tell you that right now. It's because you're either not arguing very effectively, or because Islam doesn't understand what it's trying to say. Let me know if you want to risk Fred's bandwidth on a week-old debate, for though time travel is fun, we in the West generally prefer the future.

Posted by The Doctor 2004-07-16 10:02:55 PM|| 2004-07-16 10:02:55 PM|| Front Page Top

#122 I only revisit this thread to bitch-slap Sal like a Burka-less cheating wife. I don't even bother to read his nonsense anymore, it's just fun to beat the bejesus out of him with my shoe bottom :-)

Posted by Frank G 2004-07-16 10:11:00 PM|| 2004-07-16 10:11:00 PM|| Front Page Top

#123 Hello! How are you? Please don't get angry. "Uh!" Frank...Are you teaching me about your own history? How dare you! By the way Frank, where did the Franks vanish? Try and think. Who exterminated them? And what is their legacy? Well, you have the city of Frankfurt, you have the frankfurter (hotdog as we say-fast food for about $1.00) and off course Frankenstein (your parents probably named you after him). And off course the expression, "Why don't you be Frank with me." But please don't get depressed although I don't understand how you could live with a name like that. Just change it, man. And don't get upset. It's all in good taste. And Espinola-are you obsessed with just one topic (if you notice)? Must have something to do with the racism there against you. Remember, Frank and David will always be suspicious of you. Don't ever trust them. David I don't have time for you now. Come back tomorrowâ¦.Only in the Rantburgâ¦the esteemed paper of Great Britain.

Posted by Salahuddin 2004-07-16 11:02:44 PM|| 2004-07-16 11:02:44 PM|| Front Page Top

#124 Hello! How are you? Please don't get angry. "Uh!" Frank...Are you teaching me about your own history? How dare you! By the way Frank, where did the Franks vanish? Try and think. Who exterminated them? And what is their legacy? Well, you have the city of Frankfurt, you have the frankfurter (hotdog as we say-fast food for about $1.00) and off course Frankenstein (your parents probably named you after him). And off course the expression, "Why don't you be Frank with me." But please don't get depressed although I don't understand how you could live with a name like that. Just change it, man. And don't get upset. It's all in good taste. And Espinola-are you obsessed with just one topic (if you notice)? Must have something to do with the racism there against you. Remember, Frank and David will always be suspicious of you. Don't ever trust them. David I don't have time for you now. Come back tomorrowâ¦.Only in the Rantburgâ¦the esteemed paper of Great Britain.

Posted by Salahuddin 2004-07-16 11:02:59 PM|| 2004-07-16 11:02:59 PM|| Front Page Top

#125 nice double post dumbshit. Confirms so many low expectations

Posted by Frank G 2004-07-16 11:11:26 PM|| 2004-07-16 11:11:26 PM|| Front Page Top

#126 Frank - You've got a pet!

Posted by .com 2004-07-16 11:15:43 PM|| 2004-07-16 11:15:43 PM|| Front Page Top

#127 and it likes a beating

Posted by Frank G 2004-07-16 11:16:43 PM|| 2004-07-16 11:16:43 PM|| Front Page Top

#128 not 'zactly what I wanted when I queried for a "exotic" partner who isn't very sharp and likes submission .....gotta be clearer on the googling I guess :-)

Posted by Frank G 2004-07-16 11:18:58 PM|| 2004-07-16 11:18:58 PM|| Front Page Top

#129 ROFLMAO!!! Purrfekt! Accuracy does matter, I guess, lol!

Posted by .com 2004-07-16 11:22:37 PM|| 2004-07-16 11:22:37 PM|| Front Page Top

#130 The cheap high school that you graduated from shows. (a "exotic")...I can't believe it!

Posted by Salahuddin 2004-07-16 11:22:44 PM|| 2004-07-16 11:22:44 PM|| Front Page Top

#131 insolent bitch! you'll pay for questioning a typo! (he likes that - kinda like "the Gimp" in Pulp Fiction)

Posted by Frank G 2004-07-16 11:25:36 PM|| 2004-07-16 11:25:36 PM|| Front Page Top

#132 ready? Assume the position! Abu spank!

Posted by Frank G 2004-07-16 11:26:30 PM|| 2004-07-16 11:26:30 PM|| Front Page Top

#133 respond and it shows you like the punishment...heh heh

Posted by Frank G 2004-07-16 11:30:40 PM|| 2004-07-16 11:30:40 PM|| Front Page Top

#134 LMAO!!! A thread for The Ages!

Posted by .com 2004-07-16 11:32:01 PM|| 2004-07-16 11:32:01 PM|| Front Page Top

#135 The Management at the Rantburg will now issue its verdict for the international community:
The winner of this "thread" is Salahuddin Qasim.
Our writers have embarrassed us. We based our judgment on the fact that only Salahudddin was able to maintain civil and well-reasoned discourse throughout the "thread". All the others (even Jamon who was our only hope and dropped out after Salahuddin's stinging reply), could not control their language, attacking Salahuddin's character, just like any tabloid. We noticed many contestants dropping out early. There were only a few souls that remained. One contestant (Frank) even admitted he came back to the thread just for personal reasons and not for the good of our publication. Furthermore, the reason this Frank doesn't use our queens' English is simply because he can't. Not putting an "an" before a vowel cannot be dismissed by sayingâ¦"oh, that was a typo." Frank, we say you are a "typo" and you have embarrassed all of us here. Salahuddin, well done for this sweet victory and we apologize for our bumbling fools. Take care and please understand. It's not them but their parents who are to blame.
THIS IS THE END OF THIS THREADâ¦management of the Rantburg.

Posted by The Management at the Rantburg 2004-07-17 5:33:31 AM|| 2004-07-17 5:33:31 AM|| Front Page Top

#136 LOL Salahuddin - you're nuttier'n squirrel shit.

Posted by Anonymous5771 2004-07-17 7:33:42 AM|| 2004-07-17 7:33:42 AM|| Front Page Top

#137 ..But on a serious note: impersonating "The Management at the Rantburg" [sic] will most likely get you banned.

Posted by Anonymous5771 2004-07-17 7:38:47 AM|| 2004-07-17 7:38:47 AM|| Front Page Top

#138 Fred wouldn't do that, would he? Our little friend Salahuddin is WAYYYYY too entertaining-- and way too enlightening as to the pathologies within the Arab world and within Islam.

Posted by Dave D. 2004-07-17 8:03:55 AM|| 2004-07-17 8:03:55 AM|| Front Page Top

#139 you came back, Sal. I knew you wanted it. Can't get enough, can you, bitch? :-)

Posted by Frank G 2004-07-17 3:47:59 PM|| 2004-07-17 3:47:59 PM|| Front Page Top

#140 Oh, man, the end of the thread with the loser declaring himself the winner, and he never responded to my challenge . . . what do I have to do to get into an argument, slap someone in the face with a glove? Oh, well; at 140 comments it may be just as well. Let's hope he pops back in the future . . .

Posted by The Doctor 2004-07-17 10:51:37 PM|| 2004-07-17 10:51:37 PM|| Front Page Top

#141 Wow, take a break from the computer for a weekend and Sal has a kidney stone. "(even Jamon who was our only hope and dropped out after Salahuddin's stinging reply)"
This is great stuff. I bookmarked this page.

Posted by Jaman 2004-07-19 10:13:10 AM|| 2004-07-19 10:13:10 AM|| Front Page Top

#142 Me too. Who wouldn't?!

Posted by Bulldog 2004-07-19 10:15:35 AM|| 2004-07-19 10:15:35 AM|| Front Page Top

#143 Please God, no more.

Posted by Howard UK 2004-07-19 10:16:56 AM|| 2004-07-19 10:16:56 AM|| Front Page Top

#144 "and next week on an all new Rantburg, find out the true identity of Salahuddin.......is he Murat off his meds? Antiwar's mysoginistic small-penised boyfriend? Or, the muslim muck4doo wannabe? Stay tuned."

Posted by Jarhead 2004-07-19 10:31:05 AM|| 2004-07-19 10:31:05 AM|| Front Page Top

#145 Salahuddin's so delusional he's actually funny: "Rantburg- the esteemed paper of Great Britain" etc.

He also seems unaware that Rantburg consists of anything other than this ancient thread.

Posted by Dave D. 2004-07-19 11:00:15 AM|| 2004-07-19 11:00:15 AM|| Front Page Top

#146 Dave, I think we all want it to stay that way...

Posted by Bulldog 2004-07-23 6:56:43 PM|| 2004-07-23 6:56:43 PM|| Front Page Top

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Posted by Salahuddin 2004-07-12 8:42:21 AM|| 2004-07-12 8:42:21 AM|| Front Page Top

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Posted by Salahuddin 2004-07-12 11:45:45 AM|| 2004-07-12 11:45:45 AM|| Front Page Top

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