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2005-07-13 Iraq-Jordan

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Posted by 11A5S 2005-07-13 09:02|| || Front Page|| [11134 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 What can you say of people who can't even play fair with their own children. Worse than animals.

Posted by Tkat 2005-07-13 09:14|| 2005-07-13 09:14|| Front Page Top

#2 Men do not do things like this, these animals are subhuman, thus not entitled to human rights. Where is the ACLU, where are People for the American Way, where is Amnesty Intl. where are all the people who berate us over everything in the world? Not a word against these people will you hear, BBC won't even call them terrorists, they prefer "fighters", as per their company policy. I'm sure the liberals all over the world will blame this on the soldiers giving out sweets, the muslims will deny that the bomber had any ties to islam, and Ted Kennedy will call for Rumsfelds resignation once again.

Posted by bigjim-ky 2005-07-13 09:21|| 2005-07-13 09:21|| Front Page Top

#3 Any captured foreign Jihadi, make that any captured Jihadi, once subjected to blow-torch interrogations, should be impaled along the roads of Iraq until every major roadway is lined with the impaled bodies of these pieces of human excrement. Until we go "Roman" on these assholes, we will continue to be subjected to these barbaric attacks.

Perhaps only after an ACLU or MOVEON.ORG pinic gathering is shredded by a homicide-bomber will these morons get it. Somehow, I doubt it but there's always hope ... uh, errr, ummm ... I mean hope that they "get it" not hope for a bombing of ACLU or MOVEON.ORG types ... I mean ... I would NEVER wish something like that on the Left ... really ... I mean it (smirking wickedly with my hand behind my back and fingers crossed).

Posted by Jick Thaimble2985 2005-07-13 09:33|| 2005-07-13 09:33|| Front Page Top

#4 But.... but... but....

Were any Korans desecrated? That is whats imporatant.

Posted by Mainstream Media 2005-07-13 09:47|| 2005-07-13 09:47|| Front Page Top

#5 One important element that is missing from the WOT is for us to impose meaning to such acts. Such fanatics should *not* be called "Moslem fanatics"; they should be called "Satan worshippers". Along with a psychological campaign to get out the meme that such acts are "acts of worship" to Satan, it would have a profound effect on such people. That is, every fanatic would have to face the question, "Is what I am doing for Allah, or is it for Satan?" This could have a devastating effect on their morale. And even if their Imam told them otherwise, imagine if this would only cast doubts as to whether the Imam is a servant of Allah, or a secret priest to Satan!

Posted by Anonymoose 2005-07-13 10:01|| 2005-07-13 10:01|| Front Page Top

#6 NYT headline.
Pentagon sweets kill Iraqi children.

Posted by gromgoru 2005-07-13 10:35|| 2005-07-13 10:35|| Front Page Top

#7 #1.
Hey Tkat, lions do it to other lions offspring, no problema.

Posted by gromgoru 2005-07-13 10:40|| 2005-07-13 10:40|| Front Page Top

#8 Anonymoose, if there were a denizen of Darkness and this entity devised a deception on a mass scale--a creed masquerading as religion, he would have called it "Submission".

Posted by Sobiesky 2005-07-13 10:41|| 2005-07-13 10:41|| Front Page Top

#9 Why don't we all email copies of this article to the MSM and all the democratic buffoons like Kennedy and Durbin and ask them to comment?

This is a classic example of how the news is being manipulated by the MSM. More stories like this would have a vastly different effect on the public opinion

Posted by SockPuppetofDoom2 2005-07-13 10:58|| 2005-07-13 10:58|| Front Page Top

#10 Such fanatics should *not* be called "Moslem fanatics"; they should be called "Satan worshippers".

Absolutely not. Do not let their supporters, cheerleaders and funders off that easily.

Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford 2005-07-13 11:19|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2005-07-13 11:19|| Front Page Top

#11 Any heartburn with Islam as a whole should be addressed separately. The important thing is to get the terrorists stopped ASAP. To sew the seeds of doubt, the paranoid conspiracy theory, could have a paralytic effect on violence-based organizations. They thrive on the "us and them" attitude. If you can convince them that their most fanatical might actually be followers of the *evil one*, and leading them on a path to hell, it could really rattle their chains. That is why I suggest a propaganda campaign: anyone who even talks of violence might be one of "the evil ones". How effective is a criminal organization that suspects that one of their own is a police undercover agent?

Posted by Anonymoose 2005-07-13 11:42|| 2005-07-13 11:42|| Front Page Top

#12 You don't get it.

The jihadis are killing because they're told it's their religious duty. The only way to stop them is to make sure they're not told that anymore.

If you can convince them that their most fanatical might actually be followers of the *evil one*, and leading them on a path to hell, it could really rattle their chains. That is why I suggest a propaganda campaign: anyone who even talks of violence might be one of "the evil ones"

Your ignorance is showing. Mohammed is revered as the "perfect man" in Islam, and his life was as bloodstained as any other 4th century warlord. They won't buy that calls to violence are evil, because a lot of those calls to violence are in Mohammed's own words.

Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford 2005-07-13 12:06|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2005-07-13 12:06|| Front Page Top

#13 RC, Right. However, it may work to separate jihadis from the rest.

There are essentially 2 ways how to deal with 'explosive' nature of Islam, that at some point would be on the table because there would be no choice, it would be a matter of survival.

1. Eliminate Islam with most of its adherents (this one is rather unpalatable)
2. Replace Islam with something benign.

I would prefer #2, but how to get there, that is a nut that no one cracked yet.

Posted by Sobiesky 2005-07-13 12:30|| 2005-07-13 12:30|| Front Page Top

#14 However, it may work to separate jihadis from the rest.

Still won't work. We can call their works Satanic, but they won't listen to us.

Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford 2005-07-13 13:46|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2005-07-13 13:46|| Front Page Top

#15 RC, I s'posse you've tried and thus you're an ultimate authority on this. ;-)

There is, a small shift, though, perceptible in Iraq. The regular Iraqis do not see jihadis as satanists, but certainly do see them as criminals.

Posted by Sobiesky 2005-07-13 14:08|| 2005-07-13 14:08|| Front Page Top

#16 RC, I would agree that someone literate in Islam might reach that conclusion, but the vast majority of these villains are as utterly ignorant of their own religion as they are of anything else. That is no praise for Islam, just that they are dirt dog ignorant. And as such, they are very susceptible to base level psychological manipulation. They are terribly superstitious and stupidly credulous, which is why they are such tools in the first place. But their philosophy is also extremely fragile. They can be "turned" with a short conversation, which disrupts their indoctrination (one of the reasons many suicide recruits are kept isolated until used). By exposing them to a psychological 'broadcast' campaign *early*, before they have become mental serfs to some violent psycho in a madrassa, will prevent them from being as easily taken up in the first place. All over Pakistan, there should be a discreet but ubiquitous propaganda barrage that there are "Satanists posing as madrassa teachers", who purpose it is to send Moslems to their death and damnation, not as martyrs, but as lost souls chewed in the burning mouth of the evil one. And the only way to tell them apart from *real* teachers is that they try to tell you to do things that your "heart" tells you are wrong. Acts of hatred and violence against the innocent, acts of murder and sodomy "that are condemned in the Holy Koran". Such false Imams are demons in disguise who use black magic to speak from the Koran without being instantly destroyed for their blasphemy. Many seem like the holiest of men, and other demons will swear that they are true believers. But an innocent, who has neither been corrupted by demons nor received teachings from the Holy Koran, might see through their deception before he can pervert their spirit, etc. I know it is silly to an educated person, but we are dealing with some real ignoramuses, here.

Posted by Anonymoose 2005-07-13 14:10|| 2005-07-13 14:10|| Front Page Top

#17 I'd offer that for the average Shi'a Iraqi it's bound to be a mix of Sunni jihadis killing Shi'a sheep plus a sensible desire to want an end to wanton killing near his home.

To a Sunni, it's a jumble of shameful loss of status, hate, fear, insanity, dementia, barbarism, and satisfaction that it's the hated Shi'a who are doing most of the dying. It probably doesn't hurt that a bunch of foreigners are willing to do the dirty work.

Posted by .com 2005-07-13 14:19|| 2005-07-13 14:19|| Front Page Top

#18 was that the pot candy they were giving out now

I like the idea of a psychological campaign. They are so uneducated it just might work.

Posted by Jan 2005-07-13 14:24|| 2005-07-13 14:24|| Front Page Top

#19 Consider what the qu'uran teaches about non-Muzzies. You are to be avoided, never befriended, never trusted. What makes anyone think we can run a psych campaign on them? Think about it. They are going to listen to their imams and their lifelong indoctrination.

I spent almost 4 years straight as "friend" to a small circle of Saudis - in the most "liberal" and pro-Western environment in the Magic Kingdom: ARAMCO - and they never changed in any way other than to be more outspoken and critical over time. These were their best, college educated, track record of getting along with the expats (the total freakazoid zealots were weeded out or transferred out of Dhahran), all of them had spent at least 1 year-long work assignment in the US or UK, all semi-capable of actually performing a job, the future non-Royal Saudi stars. The ONLY time there was a moderation was immediately after 9/11, which lasted about 2 or 3 months. In that period they were more sympathetic... then the identities of 14 of the boomers were confirmed to be Saudi. If you recall there was some official Saudi blather about stolen passports and other lame shit. When that evaporated, things reverted - Muzzy First. Smiling outside, despising inside.

You're fooling yourselves to think that some simple clever trick will overcome a lifetime of intolerant indoctrination. Not. Gonna. Happen.

Posted by .com 2005-07-13 14:40|| 2005-07-13 14:40|| Front Page Top

#20 I guess to dabble in wishful thinking sigh....

Posted by Jan 2005-07-13 14:54|| 2005-07-13 14:54|| Front Page Top

#21 This kind of psyop won't overcome years of indoctrination as Muslims, but that's not the goal. It may be enough to reduce the number pulled into the radical fringe willing to do suicide operations on civilians. I would guess none of your old colleagues ever got that far gone, .com. We can live with their bad attitude, it's the extreme cases that have to be dealt with or prevented when possible.

Posted by VAMark 2005-07-13 15:39|| 2005-07-13 15:39|| Front Page Top

#22 Sobiesky:
There is, a small shift, though, perceptible in Iraq. The regular Iraqis do not see jihadis as satanists, but certainly do see them as criminals.

Yep. And I'm thrilled to hear it.

Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford 2005-07-13 18:43|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2005-07-13 18:43|| Front Page Top

#23 VAMark:
It may be enough to reduce the number pulled into the radical fringe willing to do suicide operations on civilians.

*sigh*

There is no such thing as a civilian under Muslim law.

http://memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD93205

There is the ummah, the Dar al Islam. Then there are the kaffir, the Dar al Harb -- the world of war.

What does that tell you?

Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford 2005-07-13 18:46|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2005-07-13 18:46|| Front Page Top

#24 I always try to understand them.

Why do these people hate cars? Oh its probably the oil thing.

Now lets all have one big group hug with lots of flowers.

Posted by flash91 2005-07-13 19:48|| 2005-07-13 19:48|| Front Page Top

#25 Anonymoose: When this whole 9/11 thing began, and the US attacked Afghanistan and Iraq, I had doubts about the entire Allah/God thing. I prayed about it, for months. I finally got an answer: "I am the Lord thy God - These are not My Children". It's not propaganda. Jesus said, "You will know them by their fruits". Look at the fruits of Islam: fornication with boys and animals; the wife isn't a partner and helpmate, but a slave; there is no LOVE in the message, only hate; Mohammed is the "last prophet" - as if God is going to hamstring Himself that way; the Koran contradicts all but the First Commandment; Jesus is seen as a major prophet, but His words are ignored by Islam, and a thousand other contradictions. Islam, especially Wahabbi Islam, is worship of Satan at his most extreme.

When the AntiChrist arrives upon this earth, he will be a Muslim.

Posted by Old Patriot">Old Patriot 2005-07-13 21:13|| http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]">[http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/] 2005-07-13 21:13|| Front Page Top

#26 Agreed, O.P.! Hear, hear!

Posted by BA">BA 2005-07-13 21:43|| 2005-07-13 21:43|| Front Page Top

#27 Remember that statement by Colonel Kurtz?
Methinks we may have the same evil here.

"I've seen horrors... horrors that you've seen. But you have no right to call me a murderer. You have a right to kill me. You have a right to do that... but you have no right to judge me. It's impossible for words to describe what is necessary to those who do not know what horror means. Horror. Horror has a face... and you must make a friend of horror. Horror and moral terror are your friends. If they are not then they are enemies to be feared. They are truly enemies. I remember when I was with Special Forces. Seems a thousand centuries ago. We went into a camp to inoculate the children. We left the camp after we had inoculated the children for Polio, and this old man came running after us and he was crying. He couldn't see. We went back there and they had come and hacked off every inoculated arm. There they were in a pile. A pile of little arms. And I remember... I... I... I cried. I wept like some grandmother. I wanted to tear my teeth out. I didn't know what I wanted to do. And I want to remember it. I never want to forget it. I never want to forget. And then I realized... like I was shot... like I was shot with a diamond... a diamond bullet right through my forehead. And I thought: My God... the genius of that. The genius. The will to do that. Perfect, genuine, complete, crystalline, pure. And then I realized they were stronger than we. Because they could stand that these were not monsters. These were men... trained cadres. These men who fought with their hearts, who had families, who had children, who were filled with love... but they had the strength... the strength... to do that. If I had ten divisions of those men our troubles here would be over very quickly. You have to have men who are moral... and at the same time who are able to utilize their primordial instincts to kill without feeling... without passion... without judgment... without judgment. Because it's judgment that defeats us."

Posted by tipper 2005-07-13 22:52|| 2005-07-13 22:52|| Front Page Top

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