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2005-08-26 Iraq-Jordan

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Posted by Jackal 2005-08-26 00:33|| || Front Page|| [11132 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Iraq on brink of meltdown [Part 23]

Isn't this a monthly declaration since the liberation two years ago? Not counting the number of times that operation was bogged down facing Saddam's elite troops.

Posted by Ulase Snimble3984 2005-08-26 07:46|| 2005-08-26 07:46|| Front Page Top

#2 Does anyone remember even after we finished our Constitution (Hey! Did the whole country ever vote on ours?) we had to make a few amendments? We even unmade one.

So what do you suppose are the motives of the one guy who says, "Vote no", which would certainly lead to more stress, more killing, and more bad press? I suppose ol' Sammy himself couldn't have expressed it better.

Let the Iraqis vote. Until then, interview Cindy Sheehan and Joe Wilson again, and everyone in Aruba.

Posted by Bobby 2005-08-26 07:58|| 2005-08-26 07:58|| Front Page Top

#3 It would be amusing to put the Constitution to a vote and have the ex-Baathists say 'vote no' while the Islamists say 'if you vote we will kill you'.

Posted by mhw 2005-08-26 07:59|| 2005-08-26 07:59|| Front Page Top

#4 And, a little closer to home, we have our own "Sunnis"... Not only do we have SCOTUS, the 9th Circuit, and other judicial appointments on a mission to remake the country per their agenda, we have the so-called Progressives - who want to rewrite our Constitution. There is entertainment aplenty.

Posted by .com 2005-08-26 08:26|| 2005-08-26 08:26|| Front Page Top

#5 if they can't get along enough too form a gov then just pull out and let them kill each other off. I don't see how 90% of these ppl wipe their own asses

Posted by Thraing Hupoluper1864 2005-08-26 08:52|| 2005-08-26 08:52|| Front Page Top

#6 "Telegraph on the Brink of Hyperbole!"

Posted by Tibor 2005-08-26 08:55|| http://incompetenttibor.blogspot.com]">[http://incompetenttibor.blogspot.com] 2005-08-26 08:55|| Front Page Top

#7 Quagmire!

Posted by Snease Pheath5636 2005-08-26 08:56|| 2005-08-26 08:56|| Front Page Top

#8 Articles of Confederation came before Constitution, so even we didn't get it right the first time.

Posted by Mark E. 2005-08-26 09:15|| 2005-08-26 09:15|| Front Page Top

#9 Yeah, yeah, yeah, wishfull thinking by Blairs political opponents, as usual. We hear the same shit , day after day from MSM and the Washington Post over here.

Posted by bigjim-ky 2005-08-26 10:01|| 2005-08-26 10:01|| Front Page Top

#10 I love it, the MSM is screaming about missed deadlines and civil war. The negotiation is still going on, they ARE moving forward. At least no one is storming out and the process being dissolved. They will get it right, just have patience.

Posted by mmurray821 2005-08-26 10:14|| 2005-08-26 10:14|| Front Page Top

#11 The Iraqis didn't have these problems when Saddam was in charge: any dissenters wound up dead, sometimes in horrible ways. Regardless of how the debate turns out, we have given them the right to debate.

Posted by Matt 2005-08-26 10:29|| 2005-08-26 10:29|| Front Page Top

#12 Is a meltdown worse then a quagmire? How about a brutal Afghan winter? Or was it a brutal Iraqi summer? Is it worse then them? Or worse then all of them combined?

Posted by tu3031 2005-08-26 11:19|| 2005-08-26 11:19|| Front Page Top

#13 By the way, how's that European constitution coming? You reach a consensus yet?

Posted by Steve">Steve 2005-08-26 11:25|| 2005-08-26 11:25|| Front Page Top

#14 th1864: if they can't get along enough too form a gov then just pull out and let them kill each other off. I don't see how 90% of these ppl wipe their own asses

I don't either, but I know this: Allan says do it with your left hand! lululululululu

Posted by BA 2005-08-26 11:36|| 2005-08-26 11:36|| Front Page Top

#15 possible outcomes

1. grand bargain is made, they all agree - main Sunnis support constitution and encourage their folks to vote - big victory
2. Bargain fails - Shiites and Kurds pass constitution it goes to referendum. Sunnis vote, but enough support the constution (which looks fairly moderate) that it passes anyway.
3. Bargain fails - Shiites and Kurd pass constitution, it goes to referendum. Its defeated, (due to losing in 3 or more provinces). New elections are held (which sunnis participate in) and a new govt is formed, process starts over again.
4. Bargain fails - to save time, Shiites and Kurds agree with Sunnis to go to new elections immediatly
5. Dawa and Kurds reach agreeement with Sunnis, SCIRI says no, and starts insurgency in the south.

The MSM queasiness is that 1 wont take place, and the assumption that that means everything goes to hell. First, its not yet clear that 1 is impossible (the Iraqis have come up with last minute compromises before - though the Sunnis have huge incentives not to compromise, since a new election almost certainly leaves them in a stronger position) More importantly, 2 - 5 DONT necessarily mean collapse. It means we're back to the long haul.

Posted by liberalhawk 2005-08-26 11:44|| 2005-08-26 11:44|| Front Page Top

#16 MSM queasines is that #1 DOES take place.

Posted by Rex Mundi 2005-08-26 11:49|| 2005-08-26 11:49|| Front Page Top

#17 The MSM is all Gloom and Doomâ¢ all the time. Hell Fire! When we made our Constitution back a few centuries ago, some big issues were tabled for later discussion. The the issues came up again and we had one monster civil war, lost hundreds of thousands of our citizens to war and disease, trashed millions of dollers of infrastructure, and disrupted the lives of millions. Yep. One Tom Wallager Quagmire, all right.

But we kept going. And we are still in a battle over our Constitution and what it means. Who said that creating a country's Constitution is easy? The MSM writers have no sense of history because it is dark where they park their heads.

Posted by Alaska Paul">Alaska Paul 2005-08-26 12:23|| 2005-08-26 12:23|| Front Page Top

#18 Lemme correct, it is a QUACKMIRE.

Posted by Sobiesky 2005-08-26 12:32|| 2005-08-26 12:32|| Front Page Top

#19 Regardless of how the debate turns out, we have given them the right to debate.

Some kinda damn radical are 'ya?

Posted by Shipman 2005-08-26 17:47|| 2005-08-26 17:47|| Front Page Top

#20 "The MSM is all Gloom and Doomâ¢ all the time."

I wish I could remember who first called the MSM "anxiety pimps".

Posted by Xbalanke 2005-08-26 18:04|| 2005-08-26 18:04|| Front Page Top

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