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2005-08-30 Fifth Column

Buchanan: Impeach Bush over Illegal Immigration

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Posted by Jackal 2005-08-30 00:00|| || Front Page|| [1 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Impeachment talk because you don't like a policy will get nothing accomplished, Pat. Yes W. is weak on the border but the political writing on the wall sez he's likely to make some changes in the near future. If he doesn't, he's a failure as a "security-minded" president no matter what happens overseas. If W. doesn't clamp the border now, it won't happen until after 2012, since there is every chance that a certain Rodham will be the next president.

Posted by Chris W.">Chris W. 2005-08-30 00:41|| 2005-08-30 00:41|| Front Page Top

#2 How about?: 10 year minimum sentence for producing false documentation for illegals; increased criminal sentencing and punitive fines for intentionally employing illegals; 20 yr minimum for intentionally transporting illegals either across international frontiers or within territorial US; mining border areas (frontiers between Peru and Chile and Ecuador and Peru, etc are heavily mined); destructive military response to tunnel base structures that penetrate US territory (37 known tunnels between US-Mexico; 1 tunnel between Canada-US); confiscation of all assets acquired by illegals; reverse show cause onus for citizenship status, imposed on illegals who have shown themselves to be productive members of US society; controlled temporary worker programs under Federal - not self-interested State interests - auspices; cutting the crap (legal solutions are subverted largely by American business; local law enforcement jumps hoops for large employers who want a steady supply of cheap labor).

US Congress legislators make law. Point the finger in their direction, unless the Executive obstructs justice.

Posted by Vlad the Muslim Impaler 2005-08-30 01:09|| 2005-08-30 01:09|| Front Page Top

#3 Buchanan. *snort* He's the opposite extreme - a sack of (insane) shit set aflame on America's doorstep. WorldNetDaily is the spineless ankle-biter enabler who rings the doorbell this time.

Drano smoothies for them both.

*flush*

Posted by .com 2005-08-30 07:04|| 2005-08-30 07:04|| Front Page Top

#4 .com,

Don't insult patriotic American shit by comparing it to the toxic waste that is Pat Buchanan. At least shit has a purpose to its existence, unlike morally self-castrated filth like Patsy the Pig.

Cancer was too merciful for Nazi-loving sewage like him.

Posted by Ernest Brown 2005-08-30 07:59|| saturninretrograde.blogspot.com]">[saturninretrograde.blogspot.com] 2005-08-30 07:59|| Front Page Top

#5 You got it, EB - sorry. The Drano smoothie's okay, though, methinks.

Posted by .com 2005-08-30 08:34|| 2005-08-30 08:34|| Front Page Top

#6 Buchanan: Loser, failed candidate, fired as talking head on cable....

how low can you go assho?

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2005-08-30 09:50|| 2005-08-30 09:50|| Front Page Top

#7 Buchanan both the worst president of the United States [served prior to Lincoln] and a failed late 20th Century presidencial candidate. Must be something with the name. Why is anyone listening to this has been? Next Aaron Burr comments on the Jefferson Administration. Away, begone.

Posted by Glavitle Slaque3075 2005-08-30 09:52|| 2005-08-30 09:52|| Front Page Top

#8 Best thing the Repubs did was to eject Buchanon from the party. Unfortunately his move towards the left might cause lefties to rethink their own madness before they have sunk into the mud to far to recover.

Posted by rjschwarz">rjschwarz 2005-08-30 11:19|| 2005-08-30 11:19|| Front Page Top

#9 What are these Bush Republicans afraid of? Dirty looks from the help at the country club?

Shut the hell up Pat. As usual you have no idea what you are talking about.

Posted by Secret Master 2005-08-30 11:37|| 2005-08-30 11:37|| Front Page Top

#10 For all the apologists out there please answer the fundamental questions that Buchanan is asking here. If the Chief Executive of the United States is sworn to uphold the US Constitution doesnât that mean enforcement of existing laws? Can anyone fairly say this administration is enforcing the current immigration laws? Are the people illegally crossing the borders effectively being apprehended and prosecuted? Is amnesty for illegals contrary to current immigration laws?

Posted by DepotGuy 2005-08-30 11:38|| 2005-08-30 11:38|| Front Page Top

#11 Somebody needs to put Pat in the penalty box for awhile.

Posted by MunkarKat 2005-08-30 11:38|| 2005-08-30 11:38|| Front Page Top

#12 Apologists? Really?

Simple question for you, DepotGuy:

Who controls funding for all Govt activity?

Therein lies your first answer. Pass it on to Pat, will ya? He's confused about the Constitution.

Posted by .com 2005-08-30 11:54|| 2005-08-30 11:54|| Front Page Top

#13 Point well taken .com. But "lack of money" is the convienient excuse for "lack of political will". Indeed congress hasn't appropriated the adequate funding for this crisis. Impeachment is an outrageous suggestion by a proven grandstander. But if this is an issue of national security couldn't the President issue an Executive Order which includes federal funding?

Posted by DepotGuy 2005-08-30 13:07|| 2005-08-30 13:07|| Front Page Top

#14 Probably not. Funds are line itemed and unless the congressional budget made provision for this, it's almost certainly not the case that the Administration could move legally in the way you suggest.

Posted by Omerens Omaigum2983 2005-08-30 13:11|| 2005-08-30 13:11|| Front Page Top

#15 The administration sees this as a political issue used for leverage with Mexico and rapidly expanding hispanic voting blocs.

I often wonder what the administration deems the threat posed by the openness of the Mexican border.

Do they not take it seriously, is it a congressional failure, or is it really a non issue that is a larger perceived threat than a realistic one.

I don't pretend to know, but obviously there are political overtones and a rapidly expanding hispano base for the GOP no doubt must play into the decisions made.

I just wonder about the reality of the security threat.Is the openness of the Mexican border a real threat? Or do we see foreign agents coming a mile away as it were? By the time terrorists get into Mexico do we own them?

Anyone willing to take this question on? As I said this ain't my cup of tea.

An open Mexican border:security issue or red herring?

EP

Posted by ElvisHasLeftTheBuilding 2005-08-30 13:29|| 2005-08-30 13:29|| Front Page Top

#16 DepotGuy,

So what? Hitler was right about German Shepards being nice dogs and the injustice of the Versailles Treaty to Germany. It doesn't change the fact that he was a racist a-hole, although I owe him an apology for comparing him to a morally castrated hypocrite like Buchanan. Hitler, at least, was honest in his degraded anti-humanistic misanthophy.

Posted by Ernest Brown 2005-08-30 13:30|| saturninretrograde.blogspot.com]">[saturninretrograde.blogspot.com] 2005-08-30 13:30|| Front Page Top

#17 "misanthropy"

Posted by Ernest Brown 2005-08-30 13:31|| saturninretrograde.blogspot.com]">[saturninretrograde.blogspot.com] 2005-08-30 13:31|| Front Page Top

#18 We should monitor the border, and even at the lower funding levels we have now, we could do better to turn away illegals.

If anything law-abiding "Hispanic-Americans" agree with the Minutemen, which is all the more reason to hate sub-slime garbage like Patsy the Pig.

Posted by Ernest Brown 2005-08-30 13:37|| saturninretrograde.blogspot.com]">[saturninretrograde.blogspot.com] 2005-08-30 13:37|| Front Page Top

#19 Buchanon is right that we should take the border seriously. But demanding impeachment is the modern version of calling someone a Nazi. It shows you are simply screaching to hear yourself screach and screaching is annoying.

Posted by rjschwarz">rjschwarz 2005-08-30 14:30|| 2005-08-30 14:30|| Front Page Top

#20 Hitler ya say. No Stalin or Pol Pot references? Look, Buchanan is a dope who has made a career out of inflammatory rhetoric. That does not erase the fact that the immigration crisis has gotten worse under the Bush Administration. To suggest that the Presidents "Guest Worker" proposal is anything but amnesty is delusional.

Posted by DepotGuy 2005-08-30 14:54|| 2005-08-30 14:54|| Front Page Top

#21 DepotGuy,

Who is arguing with you about how bad illegal immigration is? Not me! They should crack down, and Bush is an idiot for not doing so.

Posted by Ernest Brown 2005-08-30 14:57|| saturninretrograde.blogspot.com]">[saturninretrograde.blogspot.com] 2005-08-30 14:57|| Front Page Top

#22 DepotGuy, I use the term Hitler specifically because it is commonly known that once you escallate to comparing someone to Hitler there is no debate, just arguement. Same thing with using the highly overused term impeachment.

Both screaming hitler and demanding impeachment have been strong traits of the left since Bush took power. Buchanan has joined them.

He might be right on the border, I believe I said that, but the best arguement in the world will not be heard if you use overly heated terms and turn off your audience.

Posted by rjschwarz">rjschwarz 2005-08-30 16:57|| 2005-08-30 16:57|| Front Page Top

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