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2015-09-01 Government

Army Creating Cyber Units With Soldiers, Civilians

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Posted by Besoeker 2015-09-01 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11129 views ] Top

#1 Trying to fit a round peg into a square hole. The mentality and profile of the cyber types does not fit the 18th Century military social order. Nor does it fit the institutional structure of routine reassignment, 'professional' development, and 'up or out' personal management of the place. You have to remember the Los Alamos crew were 'bright' civilians and while the senior management and administration team was in uniform, the workers were not. Think charter schools vs public school. Think Freikorps rather than line units.

Posted by Procopius2k 2015-09-01 10:29|| 2015-09-01 10:29|| Front Page Top

#2 Think higher salaries.

Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2015-09-01 14:40|| 2015-09-01 14:40|| Front Page Top

#3 They do that with the National Laboratories(Livermore, Los Alamos, Aragonne, et al). Civil Service couldn't pay enough to attract 'smart people' for DoD tech (and nuke) research in the post WWII period, so they set up the laboratories as contractors to the government. Then you get the other problem. They become 'welfare' for the gifted. You down size the military massively for whom their existence was an excuse and you keep all the laboratories.

Posted by Procopius2k 2015-09-01 15:09|| 2015-09-01 15:09|| Front Page Top

Posted by 2015-09-01 15:34|| 2015-09-01 15:34|| Front Page Top

#5 Then you get the other problem. They become 'welfare' for the gifted.

But first, they've delivered.

p.s. What's wrong for welfare for the gifted? IMO, beats the hell of investing most in the worst.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2015-09-01 15:38|| 2015-09-01 15:38|| Front Page Top

#6 Just like everything else the government sticks it fingers in. You get more of what you subsidize causing distortions in resource distribution. It's all fun(d) and games, till other people's money runs out.

Posted by Procopius2k 2015-09-01 16:09|| 2015-09-01 16:09|| Front Page Top

#7 What's wrong for welfare for the gifted? IMO, beats the hell of investing most in the worst.

I always kinda wondered that myself. See also...Military leaders warn U.S. is falling behind in cybersecurity

Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2015-09-01 16:15|| 2015-09-01 16:15|| Front Page Top

#8 1. The labs went off the rails to 'discover' new means of killing time and money when defense shrunk. So, when you do have an issue of cyber security, they aren't there in the force that's needed to address the issue. Misallocation of resources.

2. Get the damn lawyers out of the loop and go on the offensive.

Posted by Procopius2k 2015-09-01 17:21|| 2015-09-01 17:21|| Front Page Top

#9 I remember discussions in D.C. about CNA (Computer Network Attack) capabilities back in 2002. Anyone doing anything along those lines, or as P2K indicates, are we stuck on stupid by lawyers ?

Posted by Besoeker 2015-09-01 18:39|| 2015-09-01 18:39|| Front Page Top

#10 ...are we stuck on stupid by lawyers?

Yes.

Posted by Ebbart Glererong5900 2015-09-01 20:21|| 2015-09-01 20:21|| Front Page Top

#11 Why not a separate branch? These do not fit into any traditional military service, which are by nature combat oriented. It need to be more along the lines of the Coast Guard mixed with the NSA. No reason to put these thru boot camp or other traditional forms of military discipline.

Use the Army people who can operate in both cultures for the liaison and possib C&C function to coordinate physical and cyber operations and actions against his tiles.

Posted by OldSpook 2015-09-01 21:51|| 2015-09-01 21:51|| Front Page Top

#12 This problem is a real thing. Here is how we (the Government) is trying to solve it.

The National Guard is working now to bring in weekend warriors as the cyber leaders for the armed forces, because they have real paying jobs most of the time. And when the SHTF then they can be brought in to fix things.

I am not going to blow sunshine up your skirt and say this is a good thing, but it is better than a no-thing, which is what we have had for the last decade.

Posted by rammer 2015-09-01 23:10|| 2015-09-01 23:10|| Front Page Top

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