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2007-10-13 Home Front: WoT

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Posted by Chuck Simmins 2007-10-13 13:12|| || Front Page|| [11134 views ] Top

#1 This soldier and soldiers like Spc. Hugo has far, far more honor, courage, integrity and especially mental fortitude in the respect to the principles that this nation stands for than those who run this site.

You who manage rantburg.com do not have the ability to do what our brave troops in the field need us to do back in America. Convince and expecially convert skeptics and critics to support them. This site would be a great place to accomplish that mission, but the people here are simply to weak for such a the crucial task here at home.

Posted by Pheagar the Imposter4243 2007-10-13 13:57|| 2007-10-13 13:57|| Front Page Top

#2 Instead you insult, ban, and that fails far better people on the battle front who need all the support they can get.

Posted by Pheagar the Imposter4243 2007-10-13 14:00|| 2007-10-13 14:00|| Front Page Top

#3 Victory turns skeptics. Were the people banned two days ago mere skeptics, you would have a case.

Admit it, you heard not one syllable of support for military troops in the field from the trolls who were banned. Instead you read what we have heard from them for years: we are Nazis, we hate dark skin people, and we are a hateful people. Did I mention we are Nazis? I believe I did because that is what I have been hearing from those people all this time, repeatedly, ad nauseum, ad infinitum.

You call that debate?

Right now, after years of experience with the two men who were banned, your tirade sounds suspiciously like the sanctimonious claptrap we have been hearing from the antiwar left all along.

Posted by badanov 2007-10-13 14:12|| http://www.freefirezone.org]">[http://www.freefirezone.org] 2007-10-13 14:12|| Front Page Top

#4 Does this Phaeger person have something to say other than insulting the mods of this website?

I call troll. right here, right now, I'm calling this guy out as a troll.

Posted by Mike N. 2007-10-13 14:17|| 2007-10-13 14:17|| Front Page Top

#5 I think you're right, Mike N. We tried to explain it to him. Screw him.

Posted by Abu Uluque6305 2007-10-13 14:41|| 2007-10-13 14:41|| Front Page Top

#6 Let's see...I've been mobilized once. Am going to volunteer for a second tour to Iraq. My only son is a Marine who will begin his 1st tour in Iraq in January.

Yeah...you're right, Pheagar. We Rantburgers are nothing but a bunch of Nazis who send the sons and daughters of others to do the heavy lift.

Posted by anymouse">anymouse 2007-10-13 14:42|| http://theworldsworstblog-really.blogspot.com/]">[http://theworldsworstblog-really.blogspot.com/] 2007-10-13 14:42|| Front Page Top

#7 Sniff, sniff. Yep, sanctimony.

Posted by twobyfour 2007-10-13 14:43|| http://www.twobyfour.info]">[http://www.twobyfour.info] 2007-10-13 14:43|| Front Page Top

#8 In defense of the mods ( and it's not like I'm gonna get a raise or a promotion out of this ) they stay out of things and react only when needed just like football referees ( I'm watchingf the Alabama 17 Mississippi 24 game as I write this ).

The superthread Ar15 and Mike Sylwester perpetuated a day or so ago was a classic case of a discussion thread gone bad due to deliberate hijacking.

Its size alone was a good indicator that things had gotten out of hand.

Ar15 did his best to antagonize Americans by comparing our current policies to that of Nazi German in the 1930s and 1940s never once mentioning the Holocaust and never once making his case in any congent sense. It was simply rhetoric formed with the deliberate intent to antagonize. It was never his intention to debate how better to change attitudes here in the US with regard to fighting for our nation and for freedom. His performance was shameful.

The mods reacted because, and if you read the entire superthread you would know this, things had gotten out of completely out of hand; what was taking place wasn't an exchange or a debate but two men with an agenda pressing their agenda as though their principles, conclusions and thought were above critique and criticism; an agenda that was so perfect and so humane that only insane Nazis and evil people could possibly oppose it.

On every other forum, left or right, Ar15 would not have gotten out so much as a single word before his remarks were deleted or his nym banned. The mods held back long enough to see if the result would be any different and then they saw they were not, and so they reacted, properly.

Posted by badanov 2007-10-13 14:56|| http://www.freefirezone.org]">[http://www.freefirezone.org] 2007-10-13 14:56|| Front Page Top

#9 Jeebus, 'mouse! Thank you, and may you and yours be kept safe in times of danger. Bad, good move using the "Ar15" spelling so the knucklehead doesn't even get any satisfaction from being able to search up mention of himself.

RIP Rachael Hugo. Your sacrifice will not be forgotten.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-10-13 15:03|| 2007-10-13 15:03|| Front Page Top

#10 Pheagar the Imposter4243, It's not your site, nor is it mine.

If you don't like it, don't come here. I don't let folks come in to my house uninvited, and Fred doesn't allow folks to take a dump on HIS site uninvited either.

There is NO contract anywhere that says he or the other mods have to put up with your shit. We are here through their courtesy and generosity.

Why is that such a hard concept to understand? Do you have any idea how dense you are? Step back and analyze it for yourself. One hallmark of an intelligent person, rather than one who pretends to be intelligent, is the ability to step back and see yourself as others see you. Call it self-awareness, call it whatever you want, but you don't have it. You need it. Maybe you were never taught. Parents used to teach basic manners, but it seems yours were found wanting.

Oh, and back on topic, God bless Rachael Hugo. Rest in Peace.

Posted by mcsegeek1 2007-10-13 15:06|| 2007-10-13 15:06|| Front Page Top

#11 Interesting, Badanov. I thought it was a mistake the first time, but Zen hadda explain it.

Rest easy, Spc. Hugo, in The Mansions of the Lord.

Posted by Bobby 2007-10-13 15:23|| 2007-10-13 15:23|| Front Page Top

#12 The Mansions Of The Lord as sung by the US Armed Forces Chorus, accompanied by the Marine Corps Chamber Orchestra, at end of President Ronald Reagan's funeral service 6/14/2004

Link

Posted by mrp 2007-10-13 17:02|| 2007-10-13 17:02|| Front Page Top

#13 For Spc. Rachael Hugo: we are not worthy of you. Thank you, ma'am, and God rest your soul in peace.

For 'mouse: thank you, pal. Here's one citizen who really appreciates your service, and that of your son.

For Chuck Simmins: thanks for bringing Spc. Hugo to our attention, Chuck. Your blog is outstanding.

For all re Pheagar: yeah, he's an insulting little progressive (is there any other kind?), but I won't ban him just yet. The Burg needs the occasional chew toy.

For Pheagar: you can insult us and be a troll if you wish. Or you can be a substantive debater, even if you disagree with everyone here. Choice is yours.

Posted by Steve White">Steve White 2007-10-13 17:24|| 2007-10-13 17:24|| Front Page Top

#14 This soldier and soldiers like Spc. Hugo has far, far more honor, courage, integrity and especially mental fortitude in the respect to the principles that this nation stands for than those who run this site.

... the people here are simply to weak for such a the crucial task here at home.

Fred is a military intelligence veteran who served as a civilian in the intel world after retirement. He has served long and steadily -- and founded Rantburg right after 9/11 precisely to provide info and rally support for the Long War.

Pappy was badly wounded in Gulf 1, ending his military service (involuntarily). Tell me again about those people on the battlefield who are better than he is.

I am the wife, daughter, cousin, niece and more of veterans, most of whom served full careers and some of whom were awarded honors like the Silver Star for battlefield valor. My family and I have fought the long fight against all sorts of totalitarianisms for generations. I set aside a business career to support the Army in the Fall of 2001. I have family, friends and colleagues whose lives have been or today are at risk on the ground in both Iraq and Afghanistan and elsewhere as well.

I have buried some I knew who returned in flag covered caskets.

Quit while you're ahead, Pheagar. You either don't have a clue or you are deliberately ignoring info that's been on this site for a long time.

Posted by lotp 2007-10-13 17:24|| 2007-10-13 17:24|| Front Page Top

#15 And lest I fail to acknowledge other contributions by the mods, Dave D. has crafted ... useful ... widgets. One Steve is a USAF vet. The other Steve and Seafarious serve as well, through the efforts they put into this site.

I haven't even gotten yet to the contributions of our regular commenters, some of whom are in uniform and recently returned from the box. Others are too old to serve but proudly supported the decision of their sons and daughters to serve. Yet others at this site have contributed in indirect ways, through their professional efforts and more.

Meanwhile, Pheager, you sit in a comfortable part of the upper midWest and amuse yourself by posting snide-ities that I doubt you even believe. And each time I watch as another flag draped coffin is lowered into the ground with great respect and love, I will remind myself that that soldier chose to serve -- even on your behalf, unworthy tho you are.

Posted by lotp 2007-10-13 17:55|| 2007-10-13 17:55|| Front Page Top

#16 Dittoes Steve White,

RIP Spc. Rachael L. Hugo, God Bless Her Family in their grief.. their loss must be overwhelming.. we honor her for she joins our Nations best those who gave all.

Posted by Red Dawg">Red Dawg 2007-10-13 18:22|| 2007-10-13 18:22|| Front Page Top

#17 [Mike Sylwester has been pooplisted.]

Posted by Mike Sylwester 2007-10-13 18:34|| 2007-10-13 18:34|| Front Page Top

#18 There are a lot of vets here on the 'burg. I served as well and I think I can tell on behalf of many of us vets...

Unless you have sacrificed and have been changed by what you have done for this country, you don't know shit about true heroes and what happens over there. So instead of whining about your pathetic loss of access to a privately held and funded site, how about you honor those that served and try to support them as much as possible without being a political partisan bitch.

Posted by DarthVader">DarthVader 2007-10-13 19:13|| 2007-10-13 19:13|| Front Page Top

#19 Every person you ban or black list (and use profanity against) will vote Dhimmicratic against you. You insure the defeat of our troops. They will banish you and our troops. Ask a true bravo like Spc. Rachael Hugo and they will tell you enemy soldiers of allah who will not communicate unless to demand total capitulation need to be taken out. All others who in the very least attempt to communicate (walk softly), you must have as much power to convince them to be a fellow warrior (carry a big stick).

Comanche - Texas

Posted by Pheagar the Imposter4243 2007-10-13 20:04|| 2007-10-13 20:04|| Front Page Top

#20 you can vote Dhimmicrat all you want - it won't be "against" us, it'll be your own stupid self-destructing of that which you claim to hold dear. Fuckwit

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2007-10-13 20:28|| 2007-10-13 20:28|| Front Page Top

#21 Yesterday saw a post regarding banning people at a site that is not a private home, but a world wide site. I stood up for free speech. I stated my stand for the values our troops have fought for. I quoted scripture from the God of the founding fathers of this nation.

In response I was banned until I signed in again today. I was cursed. Not at un-American sites such as Daily Kos. Not at Huffington Post. But at Rantburg. A place that is supposed to stand up for the principles of this nation. Without firing a shot, you at home, are no longer a bastion of the principles our fathers stood for. This generation has lost its sense of those values in the heat of this war. The Father of our fathers is no longer with you.

Posted by Pheagar the Imposter4243 2007-10-13 20:41|| 2007-10-13 20:41|| Front Page Top

#22 [Aris Katsaris has been pooplisted.]

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2007-10-13 20:46|| 2007-10-13 20:46|| Front Page Top

#23 What part of "this site belongs to Fred and you are here as a guest, not by right" do you not understand, Ph etc.?

Posted by lotp 2007-10-13 20:48|| 2007-10-13 20:48|| Front Page Top

#24 Pooplisting you is up to the mods, but as long as you're here, get off your high horse.

You also don't seem to understand that this site is a private home. Fred owns it. We're his guests. Behave nicely, or you'll get thrown you out, too.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2007-10-13 20:51|| 2007-10-13 20:51|| Front Page Top

#25 This generation? We've got everything from teenagers (the Millenium Generation or the 9/11 Generation, your choice) to great-grandparents (Korean War vets and WWII survivors). Which particular generation do you object to, Pheagar the Imposter4243 dear? When declaring they have lost God's favour, one must clarify who they might be, lest God be confused and smite the wrong one.

Posted by trailing wife 2007-10-13 20:54|| 2007-10-13 20:54|| Front Page Top

#26 Good lord! Get over yourself, Pheagar the Imposter424, will ya?

This is Fred's site, his private space that he provides for discussion, paid from his own pocket. He's got his rules, which are rather heavily on the benevolent side.

Take it or leave it.

Posted by twobyfour 2007-10-13 21:01|| http://www.twobyfour.info]">[http://www.twobyfour.info] 2007-10-13 21:01|| Front Page Top

#27 This posting has been used as an excuse for a diatribe by a couple of posters. The post is about Spc. Rachel L. Hugo. She is a hero. She and her family gave all for something in which they believed. The future of the country suffers by having lost Spc. Hugo.

Posted by JohnQC 2007-10-13 21:04|| 2007-10-13 21:04|| Front Page Top

#28 [Aris Katsaris has been pooplisted.]

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2007-10-13 21:18|| 2007-10-13 21:18|| Front Page Top

#29 Let's not bait the pooplisted, either. Let's forget them and get on with life at the site.

I agree this hijacking is akin to the desecration of a memorial and anything not related directly to honoring Spc Hugo should be sinktrapped, including this comment.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2007-10-13 21:22|| 2007-10-13 21:22|| Front Page Top

#30 Some popel just don't realize who they are trying to hoodwink here. Me, Pappy and a few others been there done that and dont need the damn T-Shirt.

Stopy trying to pull a thread off topic, and go back to honoring the Specialst that this is SUPPOSED to be about. She looks like most of the ones I know and have trained - good kids, doing hard work and doing it honorably and well.

Posted by OldSpook 2007-10-13 21:25|| 2007-10-13 21:25|| Front Page Top

#31 My apologies.

Rest in peace, Spc. Hugo. May your memory bring comfort to those who loved you.

Posted by trailing wife 2007-10-13 22:08|| 2007-10-13 22:08|| Front Page Top

#32 A great tribute to Spc. Rachael Hugo, a great soldier and a great lady. It grieves me to see one so young and so inspired to service fall before their time. On the other hand, it is reassuring to see that we have such great dedicated young people in this present day. We are truly blessed as a nation.

Chuck Simmons---many thanks for finding and posting this for us.

mrp---thanks for the link to the moving music.

Posted by Alaska Paul">Alaska Paul 2007-10-13 23:26|| 2007-10-13 23:26|| Front Page Top

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