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California Group Says US “Rebellion” Will Exceed France Riots
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Posted by Steve 2005-11-08 15:00|| || Front Page|| [11138 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 Bonkers.
Posted by Darrell 2005-11-08 15:16||   2005-11-08 15:16|| Front Page Top

#2 One Question: Why isn't this ASSHOLE DEAD YET!!!!
Posted by ARMYGUY 2005-11-08 15:17||   2005-11-08 15:17|| Front Page Top

#3 Methinks it won't happen in his liftetime. Wishful thinking by a dipwad.
Posted by Youraveragesonbitch 2005-11-08 15:18||   2005-11-08 15:18|| Front Page Top

#4 Not in MY neighborhood, pal. It ain't healthy, if you get my drift.
Posted by mojo">mojo  2005-11-08 15:23||   2005-11-08 15:23|| Front Page Top

#5 This asshole needs to remember that unlike the French, we are armed and will use our weapons against a "rebellion".
So go ahead, make my day.
Posted by mmurray821 2005-11-08 15:24||   2005-11-08 15:24|| Front Page Top

#6 Please, please Ernesto buddy.... start something soon! I don't wanna miss this and I'm not getting any frigging YOUNGER!
Posted by Besoeker 2005-11-08 15:25||   2005-11-08 15:25|| Front Page Top

#7 there's a Wade Churchill in every fringe - all talk no walk. This fat fuck would be the one with the bullhorn, behind the lines, urging others to do what he is afraid of. Aztlan? You can't even run a third world country propoerly, dickwads
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2005-11-08 15:27||   2005-11-08 15:27|| Front Page Top

#8 Beats workin for a living don't it, muchacho?
Posted by tu3031 2005-11-08 15:41||   2005-11-08 15:41|| Front Page Top

#9 Gee, if when it I'll have so many decisions to make.

Priceline or Travelocity for the discount airline ticket to Mexifornia?

Take my extra ammo with me, or buy on the spot?

What, you think I should have to miss all the fun just because I live on the other side of the country? ;-p
Posted by Barbara Skolaut">Barbara Skolaut  2005-11-08 15:42|| http://ariellestjohndesigns.com]">[http://ariellestjohndesigns.com]  2005-11-08 15:42|| Front Page Top

#10 Ernesto Cienfuegos: Great name for an arsonist!
Posted by Jake-the-Peg 2005-11-08 15:43||   2005-11-08 15:43|| Front Page Top

#11 Besoeker, you are beginning to worry me. Your comment leads me to believe you have never been on the receiving end of hostile fire. If one has to defend oneself from hostile people that is all well and good but one should NEVER WISH for something Mr. Cienfuegos is alluding to. This isn't a game, real people will be maimed and killed. He strikes me as being loco y lleno a rebosar de palabreria.(full to overflowing of hot air)
Posted by Deacon Blues">Deacon Blues  2005-11-08 15:50||   2005-11-08 15:50|| Front Page Top

#12 BJ Clinton once again steps in it, giving credence to Savage's premise that "Liberalism is a mental disorder."
Posted by doc 2005-11-08 15:50||   2005-11-08 15:50|| Front Page Top

#13 Can any body help me. If he gets his way, what rivers would they have to cross to get work in Oregon, Colorado, Oklahoma, Nevada and Utah for work?
Posted by plainslow 2005-11-08 15:50||   2005-11-08 15:50|| Front Page Top

#14 when it happens I'll have so many decisions to make

PIMF :-(
Posted by Barbara Skolaut">Barbara Skolaut  2005-11-08 16:01|| http://ariellestjohndesigns.com]">[http://ariellestjohndesigns.com]  2005-11-08 16:01|| Front Page Top

#15 Deacon: My mother is worried about me too. I'm an overweight, 26 year old gay UCLA Vaginacology grad student and civil war medical corps reenactor. I vote independent, drive a VW, collect comic books. I hate violence, and airplane noise. I've just applied for my Class-III license. I help out around campus on week ends by feeding birds and picking up dead animals. I hope to one day become a bartender on Bourbon Street. What do you do and where do you live?
Posted by Besoeker 2005-11-08 16:07||   2005-11-08 16:07|| Front Page Top

#16 if the muslims and africans in France were as well integrated as hispanics are in the US, Paris would be quiet now. And France would be much stronger than it is.
Posted by liberalhawk 2005-11-08 16:09||   2005-11-08 16:09|| Front Page Top

#17 Besoeker, I'm a 53 year-old Engineer, Civil War Cavalry Reenactor, and military veteran.I live in the mountains of East Tennessee.
Posted by Deacon Blues">Deacon Blues  2005-11-08 16:15||   2005-11-08 16:15|| Front Page Top

#18 See ya on the drop zone Deacon.
Posted by Besoeker 2005-11-08 16:20||   2005-11-08 16:20|| Front Page Top

#19 WTF? Does not like airplane noise? Well, I can see it if you lived on the approach path of a jet airport, but we think of the sounds of in-line and radial aircraft engines to be soothing lullabies for our kids in Rural Alaska.
Posted by Alaska Paul">Alaska Paul  2005-11-08 16:23||   2005-11-08 16:23|| Front Page Top

#20 Without going into great detail let me be the first to say that this guys is what San Franciscan’s call a “hump.” While nothing is perfect, the assimilation of Mexican immigrants (especially legal ones) into the American family is preceding along briskly here in the West. Yes, it’s important to remember Michael Savage’s motto of “Boarders, Language, Culture” when it comes to our foreign affairs. At the same we should remember that this has nothing to do with race, religion, or the right of new immigrants to maintain any number of traditions, so long as they don’t radically conflict with our own. With most non-Islamic immigrant cultures this isn’t a big problem. For example, both of my wife’s parents immigrated to our country from Europe (Ireland and Italy, respectively). My business partner immigrated from England. I have one sister-in-law whose parents came here from the Philippines, another whose parents moved here from Mexico. It may surprise Mr. Cienfuegos to learn that no cars have yet been burned at one of our annual Christmas parties.

To summerize:

1) Americans are largely Christian. Mexicans are almost exclusively Christian. France’s Muslim “youths” despise Christianity.

2) Americans are largely capitalist. Mexicans are capitalism personified. France’s Muslim “youths” have never even considered starting a business that didn’t involve drugs, thievery, or gang rape.

3) Americans are largely hardworking. Mexicans are very hardworking. France’s Muslim “youths” seem to despise work.

4) Americans like their women, who get to vote, run corporations, and hold public office. Mexicans are a little more conservative but, in most places, woman can still do these things. France’s Muslim “youths” remind me of droogs from A Clockwork Orange. Women’s what, Abdul?

5) While opinions on what “tolerance” actually means may differ, Americans generally don’t care if you are gay. Mexicans are about the same. France’s Muslim “youths” despise homosexuals... which probably means that they are gay. Actually, I don’t want to think about that one very hard.

We like most of the same sports, we both speak Latin based languages, and we both use democratic federal governmental systems to run our countries (yes, I know Mexico’s is corrupt). Yes we sometimes fight with each other (much like older and younger brothers do), but it’s been almost 100 years since there has been any kind of real war. Like any neighbors we have problems, but with some effort they are solvable.

All of which somehow leads me to believe that Mr. Cienfuegos isn’t going to become the governor of the Mexican state of California del Norte anytime soon.
Posted by Secret Master 2005-11-08 16:33||   2005-11-08 16:33|| Front Page Top

#21 There's no doubt that Mexican men and women full of dignity, willpower and a capacity for work are doing the work that not even blacks others want to do in the United States.

Vicente Fox
Posted by Besoeker 2005-11-08 16:40||   2005-11-08 16:40|| Front Page Top

#22 That's cold, man.
Posted by Secret Master 2005-11-08 16:41||   2005-11-08 16:41|| Front Page Top

#23 if the muslims and africans in France were as well integrated as hispanics are in the US,..

That's relatively speaking. I had an ex-girlfriend that was a U.S. born Latina. She and a number of her latina buddies had just a little too much cultural baggage to suit me....
Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2005-11-08 16:53||   2005-11-08 16:53|| Front Page Top

#24 Plainslow,
What rivers? They are already here. A better question is what river would they have to cross to go back.
liberalhawk,
whoa, that would be very scary if the muslims were as entrenched as the hispanics. Important here to note illegals vs citizens, also muslims vs jihad type muslims. Here in Denver we have several scary neighborhoods populated by hispanics mostly illegals, and the amount of violence is very frightening. I sense what is happening in France will soon be here, before we know what's hit us. The amount of poverty seems high too, I'm sorry that I don't have the numbers.
While diversity is a good thing, saturation has shown it's ugly face with folks wanting services because of being so very poor.
Posted by Jan 2005-11-08 16:56||   2005-11-08 16:56|| Front Page Top

#25 Hopefully a few people will replay this fellows comments when the elections start rolling around and the immigration questions start burbling up.

It'd be a lot easier for the US to expell unhappy Mexicans than for France to airlift out the Muslims.
Posted by rjschwarz 2005-11-08 16:57||   2005-11-08 16:57|| Front Page Top

#26 "...impending social explosion that will make the French rebellion by Muslim and immigrant youths seem "tame" by comparison."

The response by US authorities and citizens defending their property and country will make the French response seem "tame" by comparison as well, mi amigo.

This gringo says: Los Estados Unitos es no Frauwncepussieland. ?Comprende, bandejo?
Posted by Hyper">Hyper  2005-11-08 16:57||   2005-11-08 16:57|| Front Page Top

#27 I think it is possible that we could have outbreaks in our ghettos. The actions in France will have emboldened them.

The best they can hope for is a replay of New Orleans. The mayor of Los Angeles may be a Nagin, but California isn't Louisianna, not by any stretch. So maybe the RFSP will run around for a day or two, claiming all of LA belongs to them. But spiral out of control for more than 2 days for lack of response, it won't. And it won't spread out of the cities, as our citizens are armed.

Now, as for Dearborn or places like that, well, they might get a few more days to thump their chests and have the media film the local leaders breaking into sobs on camera for the poor downtrodden, as those places are as equally corrupt as New Orleans or France. And care will ramp up a fundraising effort about how Muslims are singled out for abuse. However, when the feds step in, the party will over and the RFSP will have lost the respect and good will of their neighbors, who have to clean up their mess and we will be one step further away from tolerance and one step closer to tightening immigration controls than we were before.

Look at New Orleans. We aren't even sure we want to rebuild it. No pony promises will be the result here.
Posted by 2b 2005-11-08 17:06||   2005-11-08 17:06|| Front Page Top

#28 Nothing will happen here that good men like LTG Russ Honore and lots of others like him can't handle. No worries.
Posted by Besoeker 2005-11-08 17:11||   2005-11-08 17:11|| Front Page Top

#29 you know, to summarize my above post, you think at some point these folks would learn. When you attack Americans - we bite back - hard. It's always been that way ..since the our initial revolution, etc., etc. Pearl Harbor, 911 etc. Constant demands and whining from the ghettos resulted in welfare reform. Constant demands and whining from Muslims resulted in the patriot act. Sobbing in New Orleans will result in a sweeping of corrupt police and politicians.

Our press and some fringe elements may demand pony's for the RFSP - but the American people aren't willing to pony up.
Posted by 2b 2005-11-08 17:15||   2005-11-08 17:15|| Front Page Top

#30 One word: Opportunist.
Posted by Zenster 2005-11-08 17:19||   2005-11-08 17:19|| Front Page Top

#31 All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)


Believe me, it won't happen here. Our leadership, like it or not, is taking notes.
Posted by Besoeker 2005-11-08 17:19||   2005-11-08 17:19|| Front Page Top

#32 Off topic to Besoeker: I've liked all your posts, except your reply to cingold the other day (I'm catching up on the past few days). Some of us have been here several years and are fully acquainted with some of the more clever "trolls" that show up. You were off base. Zenster DOES have an agenda, which if understood, puts his posts in context. If not, he sounds can sound just like you (some friendly FYI). Personally speaking, rantburg was more fun in the old days when the trolls abounded--and we sure had some doozies. I'm glad Zenster is still here, and sometimes he has some good things to contribute when he's not contributing his other stuff.

Keep posting. Loved your response on this thread!
Posted by ex-lib 2005-11-08 17:20||   2005-11-08 17:20|| Front Page Top

#33 You know, it just occured to me that most of hispanics I know are either military veterans or the children of military veterans. I don't think any of them are into "La Voz de Aztlan" or anything like that, and if Aztlan popped into existance tomorrow I suspect they'd be much better suited to _run_ it than a professional perennial politican like Cienfuegos.
Posted by Phil 2005-11-08 17:20||   2005-11-08 17:20|| Front Page Top

#34 Thanks for the reassurance Bes. I like things when they are under control. NOLA is looking good.
Posted by Shipman 2005-11-08 17:22||   2005-11-08 17:22|| Front Page Top

#35 Ex-lib: Thanks, but time for this ole troll to crawl back under the bridge and get some shut eye.
Posted by Besoeker 2005-11-08 17:25||   2005-11-08 17:25|| Front Page Top

#36 Don't forget, kids, most Mexicans who move here (legals and illegals) are looking to access the American Dream: education, entrepeneurship, upward mobility, malls, suburbs, and so on. (The la Raza types are loud, but numerically insignificant.) They don't want to trash the place, they want to buy in.

The French muslims are mostly born in France, and are, for numerous reasons detailed here, basically closed out of the "French dream."

Different populations, different circumstances--it's like comparing appleas and crabpples.
Posted by Mike 2005-11-08 17:29||   2005-11-08 17:29|| Front Page Top

#37 Since that guy's name translates to "100 Fires", methinks he will have a talk with "Son of the Devil", the Secy of Homeland Security, Chertoff.

POPCORN pleeez
Posted by BigEd 2005-11-08 17:39||   2005-11-08 17:39|| Front Page Top

#38 2b, I'm not sure where you were going on the comments about New Orleans, but the motto on the Louisiana state flag has been changed to "Shoot to Kill."
Posted by Matt 2005-11-08 17:46||   2005-11-08 17:46|| Front Page Top

#39 Mike,
While I agree that some Mexicans move here for the american dream, the ones that I encounter are here for the free services. Free medical and school to name a few. Draining our community, having to spend millions for interpreting services rather than real hands on programs. (Referendum C passed here which is terrible in my view.)
As far as the French "muslims", from sites I've read it seems they have more loyalties to their homelands than to France.
Posted by Jan 2005-11-08 18:03||   2005-11-08 18:03|| Front Page Top

#40 Ernesto Cienfuegos still thinks that Mexicans living in California yearn for he old country. I know a lot of expats and other thatn the family that is there they do not hope that Mexico annexes California or to become it's own country. That's becuase as Americans we have a lot more rights than Mexico or the Aztlan group would grant to everyone. These guys are popular at college but most drift away after they graduate. It's an anti-establishment phase that is getting smaller every year. Basically he is a Berkley type that never grew up.
Posted by Cyber Sarge">Cyber Sarge  2005-11-08 18:07||   2005-11-08 18:07|| Front Page Top

#41 
I need a good rotation of my ammo I have stocked...
Please Ernesto start here in SoCal. Between the commies, Moooslums and you idiots it is a very target rich environment!
Posted by Long Hair Republican">Long Hair Republican  2005-11-08 18:39||   2005-11-08 18:39|| Front Page Top

#42 The US is not France. Dominique de Villepin (who is a man) is not the Governator.
Posted by DMFD 2005-11-08 18:52||   2005-11-08 18:52|| Front Page Top

#43 The lead democrat trying for the Governor position was a member of one of these idiot groups in college MeCHA and I think it helped kill his chances.
Posted by rjschwarz 2005-11-08 19:17||   2005-11-08 19:17|| Front Page Top

#44 CS is on it - they have appeal in colleges but only the hard-core stay involved after. Mexicans are hard working, I just want them to enter legally (or work temporarily - legally). My ex-wife was half-mexican and her extended family in Tijuana and Ensenada were delightful people - doctors, teachers, professionals. I hope some day that the Mexican gov't gets reformed, tehy make it easier for Mexicans to stay home to earn living wages, until then, Cienfuegos? chupame
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2005-11-08 19:44||   2005-11-08 19:44|| Front Page Top

#45 I always figured that the wording was chosen rather carefully:

"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

Before they send in the Marines and the Rangers to restore order (under a media blackout), maybe broadcast a piece about MSG Roy Benavidez, to make sure the banditos know in whose memory they are being "netralized".

http://www.psywarrior.com/benavidez.html

Posted by Lone Ranger 2005-11-08 19:45||   2005-11-08 19:45|| Front Page Top

#46 De Oppresso Liber Ranger man.
Posted by Besoeker 2005-11-08 19:59||   2005-11-08 19:59|| Front Page Top

#47 By any chance, would Ernesto Cienfuegos happen to be this guy? Could it be him?
Posted by Floating Stone 2005-11-08 20:39||   2005-11-08 20:39|| Front Page Top

#48 Free medical and school to name a few.

It's not free - someone has to pay for it. Guess who that is?

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2005-11-08 21:30||   2005-11-08 21:30|| Front Page Top

#49 Right, Quimosabe!

It's become much easier to identify the "domestic enemies" these days when they announce their intentions in the MSM.

A number of my friends have applied for and received CC Weapons Permits in other states and and packing at all times here in California. It's not really legal, but WTF, it's easier to beg forgiveness after the fact especially with an armed dead cholo at your feet.
Posted by usmc6743 2005-11-08 21:53||   2005-11-08 21:53|| Front Page Top

#50 --While diversity is a good thing, saturation has shown it's ugly face with folks wanting services because of being so very poor.--

American poor or Mexican poor.

Not the same thing.
Posted by anonymous2u 2005-11-08 22:07||   2005-11-08 22:07|| Front Page Top

#51 It drives me nuts how the American poor get shafted with medical care, while the illegals get free medical with emergency medicaid. For the middle class it's even worse with monthly insurance premiums, caps on illness and co-pays for visits and drugs, and some plans only pay 80% of the hospital bill. Sometimes I wonder if the hospital encourages the illegals because they are funded so well by the government.
The Mexicans need to come in legally; and the ones here illegally shouldn't be granted citizenship after being here trompling all over laws that they broke. It isn't fair to the ones that came here legally.
Here in Denver, the city has started talking about "residents" rather than "citizens". This is part of our sanctuary policy that Denver seems to have adopted. These illegals often aren't living in the best of circumstances, very similar to the poor muslims in France. Dare I compare?
I know it isn't PC these days to harbor these feelings, most hispanic people are very loving and family oriented. Stepping back to see the whole picture here though of how this issue is tearing our country apart is what we need to look at. We need to at least all play by the same rules.
I have several friends that are getting eaten alive with medical bills. What's up with our not transporting the illegals back?
The OTM's are of grave concern here. I feel it's only a matter of time before they get more organized and we'll have rioting like France here in our backyard.

BAR yep and that's us.

Sorry for drifting off topic a bit here.
Posted by Jan 2005-11-08 22:54||   2005-11-08 22:54|| Front Page Top

#52 Jan: Our country and society can only absorb so much of the medical costs, there is definately a limit. The cost of Federal mandates that tell hospitals to treat patients regardess are simply passed on to those who have insurance and can pay. The non-payers have no qualms about taking advantage of the free health care. The Mexicans work damn hard until their bodies wear out at around age 45-50. Most don't just retire and go back home, they stay here and continue to take advantage of the health care system...just like I would if I were they. Consequently, we now have both worker immigrants and retirees to care for. The system is in overload and severly aggrevated by another ill the Feds have done little about calle legal tort. Doc's are leaving the profession in record numbers. Few people can affort to pay $150,000 to half a million each year in tort insurance. The numbers just are not there. I won't even go into perscription meds. Medical care in this country is in a crisis.
Posted by Besoeker 2005-11-09 00:05||   2005-11-09 00:05|| Front Page Top

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