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2008-11-05 Home Front: Culture Wars

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Posted by mojo 2008-11-05 01:48|| || Front Page|| [1 views ] Top

#1 U.S.A
Founded 1776
Unfounded 2008
RIP

Posted by Iblis 2008-11-05 01:55|| 2008-11-05 01:55|| Front Page Top

#2 we can hope Obama will change into something else than what he was as a Senator

Posted by mhw 2008-11-05 02:16|| 2008-11-05 02:16|| Front Page Top

#3 I am wondering about Paraguay and Uruguay : anyone know how socialist they are now?

Posted by Shieldwolf 2008-11-05 02:39|| 2008-11-05 02:39|| Front Page Top

#4 I pin my hopes on Hillary becoming Senate majority leader and sabotaging the Chosen One at every step.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2008-11-05 03:18|| 2008-11-05 03:18|| Front Page Top

#5 Or France. It will be less bad than the Obama States of America and the food is better.

Posted by JFM">JFM 2008-11-05 03:53|| 2008-11-05 03:53|| Front Page Top

#6 if only the space program had continued to advance.

Posted by Betty 2008-11-05 05:04|| 2008-11-05 05:04|| Front Page Top

#7 Dig in. Check your ammo. I want all the squad leaders up here in twenty minutes. Get the arty FO on the com. We are going to hold.

Posted by Angleton9 2008-11-05 05:17|| 2008-11-05 05:17|| Front Page Top

#8 Actually, this may be weird to say, but this fits within my own End Times theory, re iran, iraq... anyway, what must happen happens, so there's no use in crying over spilt milk, just wait & see. It's not the End of The world (despite my bit above). Also, if I may be selfish, I just hope this will lessen a bit the idea than europeans are a breed apart. Given the same constraints (massification & crubmling down of the public education system, msm & entertainment complex as a political actor bent on shaping society, welfare-based clientelism, nurtured white guilt & ethnomasochism), well, you got the same results. You basically have the same problems as we euros do, with the same threats to face, and while your culture probably is healthier in its fundamentals, we're on the same boat. obama is a perfect storm, not a singular anomaly out of nothing, out of a pre-60's America.

Posted by anonymous5089 2008-11-05 05:28|| 2008-11-05 05:28|| Front Page Top

#9 Its democracy folks. The people have spoken. In a democracy we respect that, and we respect our president. We the people elected him.

Bush came to office as a peacetime leader with a functioning economy.

He's left embroiled in 2 wars that are being lost (though he claims they've been winning for 5 years or more) and an economy that is in tatters. And still he can't find those WMDs.

Its unsurprising that the people voted for something else.

Live with it. You lost. Obama won. He's the people's choice. This is the USA. Its how it works. The economy is wrecked and we're losing 2 wars. Things will get better because Mr Bush has ensured they can't get any worse.

Posted by QuitYerWhingingRednecks 2008-11-05 06:13|| 2008-11-05 06:13|| Front Page Top

#10 It's not a democracy, it was founded as a republic.

Posted by Xenophon 2008-11-05 06:20|| 2008-11-05 06:20|| Front Page Top

#11 And we are not losing two wars. The media will happily show you that Iraq is won now.

Posted by eLarson 2008-11-05 07:02|| 2008-11-05 07:02|| Front Page Top

#12 Its democracy folks. The people have spoken. In a democracy we respect that, and we respect our president. We the people elected him.

Indeed.

Bush came to office as a peacetime leader with a functioning economy.

On the ass end of the dotcom bubble bust and on the cusp of a massive terrorist attack being executed which required those two wars.

...t embroiled in 2 wars that are being lost (though he claims they've been winning for 5 years or more) and an economy that is in tatters. And still he can't find those WMDs.

Wars being prosecuted without the support of almost half the country with men and women in harm's way which almost half the country lies and undermines their own support for every step of the way. Thanks, lefty, for your help.

Oh, by the way. I support Barak Obama. I just don't support his policies. You will be hearing a lot of that over the next four years.

Its unsurprising that the people voted for something else.

Live with it. You lost. Obama won. He's the people's choice. This is the USA. Its how it works. The economy is wrecked and we're losing 2 wars. Things will get better because Mr Bush has ensured they can't get any worse

Very droll, and thankyouverymuch, I have to "live with it" just as the element in our society that voted a left wing government in place.

I support Barak Obama: I just don't support his policies.

Posted by badanov 2008-11-05 07:08|| http://www.freefirezone.org]">[http://www.freefirezone.org] 2008-11-05 07:08|| Front Page Top

#13 Its democracy folks. The people have spoken. In a democracy we respect that, and we respect our president. We the people elected him.

He bought this election in good part with massive financial and voter fraud, aided and abetted by the media. He muscled his way into the nomination by, among other things, physically preventing Clinton supporters from casting their votes in caucuses.

I for one won't forget that. *I* didn't elect him - the untraceable money from Europe and the Middle East and the Arab phone banks did.

Posted by lotp 2008-11-05 07:20|| 2008-11-05 07:20|| Front Page Top

#14 Damn. Hang on to your wallets.

Posted by Darrell 2008-11-05 07:22|| 2008-11-05 07:22|| Front Page Top

#15 I recall that the noted media aristocrat Whoopi Goldberg was concerned she might be enslaved after the election. Turns out she was right.

Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2008-11-05 07:29|| 2008-11-05 07:29|| Front Page Top

#16 Cheap farm labor ain't so cheap.

Posted by Besoeker 2008-11-05 07:33|| 2008-11-05 07:33|| Front Page Top

#17 Obama says different things in front of different groups. he has not actually done much of anything, other than win elections. He votes "present" whenever possible.

Our first look at WHO Obama really is will be his appointments. I expect a jar of acadamia nuts.

Posted by Minister of funny walks 2008-11-05 07:56|| 2008-11-05 07:56|| Front Page Top

#18 The "flee to Canada" thing was an emotional response when the lefties were whining after the Bush re-election, but for some people, moving to another country is now something to be seriously considered, because Congress has threatened to tax retirement savings. It is a version of the "wealth tax" idea. Since we are now being told by Congressman Rick Moran that Republicans have the "simplistic" idea that people should be allowed to keep their own money, it seems the wealth tax idea is now on the table.

The financial models for retirement are pretty sensitive to contingencies, such as an upturn in inflation, poor investment returns (very relevant now), insurance premium costs, taxes, etc. A perfect storm in these variables can make or break a secure retirement. Of course one could always get a job, but working in Macdonalds at age 75 is not very appealing. So my question is, anyone know a good tax haven country? I understand that Switzerland has a very high cost of living. And another question, what tax penalties are there for taking money out of the country?

Posted by Thor Grairt5784 2008-11-05 07:59|| 2008-11-05 07:59|| Front Page Top

#19 Nah, our leading indicator of how successful Obama will be is the number of illegal aliens we have.

Seriously consider that before you laugh it off. If life in Sinaloa looks pretty good by comparison, and they stay home or "voluntarily self-deport"....I'm sure it's not long before potential legal immigrants make the same calculation. The headaches of staying here legally ain't worth it if the situation (economic/civil liberties) doesn't reward the applicant.

Foreign investors probably won't like what they see going on here either in that case, and no amount of unicorns farting rainbows can change that.

Posted by Cornsilk Blondie 2008-11-05 08:05|| 2008-11-05 08:05|| Front Page Top

#20 QYWR, the video of the woman saying that Obama was going to pay her mortgage and put gas in her tank is a window into why Obama got elected.

Envy, the little soul-killer. In its ugliest rendition - that breed of envy that pretends to be concern for "economic justice".

Don't kid yourself that his election was based upon a whole lot more than envy plus Gramscian decay of the West.

Posted by no mo uro 2008-11-05 08:06|| 2008-11-05 08:06|| Front Page Top

#21 Look into Mexico Thor Grairt5784,
They have no income tax, you don't have to explain where the money comes from since they don't have an IRS, and cost of living is still quite low if you are prepared to walk more than 100ft. to the beach.
Last time I looked, the peso was 13.125 to a dollar, the girls are cute, the beer is cold, the weather is warm all year. What else could you ask for? Just get your shots before you leave.

Posted by bigjim-ky 2008-11-05 08:18|| 2008-11-05 08:18|| Front Page Top

#22 Bush came to office as a peacetime leader with a functioning economy.

The first war with Iraq brought a cease-fire not a peace. Bill Clinton maintained continuous troop rotations through Kuwait and combat air patrols over Iraq for eight years because there was not peace. Osama had already declared war against the United States and while the Clinton Administration treated it like a law enforcement issue, the war was carried not only through installations overseas and against our embassy in Kenya and Tanzania [oh, how you forget], his agents were already well long in the way to a direct assault upon the US [oh, forget 9/11 too, that just spontaneously happen overnight]. We were at war, the main characters just played as though it didn't exist till it couldn't be ignored anymore.

If you were actually concerned about FACTS, the economy was already on the way down when Bush took office in January 2001 and the media as early as April were tagging him with the recession that was developing.

As already noted, we've won the one in Iraq. So take your drivel and sell it to the gullible.

And still he can't find those WMDs.

Read it bozo.

Posted by Procopius2k 2008-11-05 08:25|| 2008-11-05 08:25|| Front Page Top

#23 Shieldwolf,

You must be thinking like George W. I believe he bought 100,000 acres there a coupla years ago. If the Dummos start prosecuting him for "war crimes", look for him to be visiting there on an extended basis.

Posted by Woozle Elmeter 2700 2008-11-05 08:36|| 2008-11-05 08:36|| Front Page Top

#24 Also, if I may be selfish, I just hope this will lessen a bit the idea than europeans are a breed apart.... You basically have the same problems as we euros do

Yes - it took massive illegal campaign financing from Europeans and the Middle East but now we're brought down to the same level. No doubt that is a comfort to all on the continent.

Posted by lotp 2008-11-05 08:37|| 2008-11-05 08:37|| Front Page Top

#25 bigjim, thanks for that info. I didn't know about their tax policy. I wonder about the stability of the country though, what with drug lords running amok.

Posted by Thor Grairt5784 2008-11-05 08:47|| 2008-11-05 08:47|| Front Page Top

#26 After reading QuitYerWhingingRednecks' comments, I am now convince that the automated CommieBlocker is malfunctioning again on Rantburg. Would someone please fix it.

Posted by Hammerhead 2008-11-05 08:54|| 2008-11-05 08:54|| Front Page Top

#27 The social issues don't bother me.
The economic issues will have essentially the same treatment regardless of administration.
Socialized medicine was inevitable (cost increases are unsustainable), even though it is no panacea.
Gun control sucks, but the population doesn't have the guts for a revolution anyway.
Energy will continue to be mismanaged. Just differently mismanaged.

That leaves defense. Including the war with Islamofascism. I fear we just surrendered. It just may take a few years to realize it.

Posted by Glenmore 2008-11-05 08:57|| 2008-11-05 08:57|| Front Page Top

#28 No doubt that is a comfort to all on the continent.

Lotp, no confort for me, rest assured of that, this really disturbs me, because I see that election as the last bastion falling. I don't know where the USA will go from there, but what I see as the West has been sliding into a rising sea of socialism since the 20th century, and now the only land left aside has been engulfed by the waves. Believe me, I really think this is a sad day.

As for the confort to others in Europe, well, let them enjoy that, why not? I mean, I don't watch the french msm, but I figure they're extatic... the chattering class must be too, all the anti-americans (left & right) as well... the people in power must be a bit wary of having to cope with such an unknwon and unproven quantity, but they must see that as a good develoment (everything that weaksn the USa is good for France/the EU)...

Hey, at least, when those people and the msm-spoon fed french public will celebrating that over the coming weeks, they won't think about the 20-25% and growing of non-european in the french population, with aging and non-fertile white europeans crowded by younger africans (about 30-40% of birthes already), about how since 30 YEARS, the french state has to borrow 25% of its budget JUST to keep the machine flowing, how 17% or so of french people are the only productive part of the economy that is milked to subsidize the unproductive parts, how unemployment is actually around 19%, not 7-8%, how our social security system taxes 50% of even minimum-wages workers, to proovide substandard service, and a retirement ponzi scheme that simply CANNOT work much longer and will collapse in less than a decade,...

So, hell yeah, let them celebrate!

Posted by anonymous5089 2008-11-05 09:14|| 2008-11-05 09:14|| Front Page Top

#29 Per Stephen Den Best, Afghanistan and Israel are toast:

http://chizumatic.mee.nu/not_the_end_of_the_world

Posted by Adriane 2008-11-05 09:15|| 2008-11-05 09:15|| Front Page Top

#30 This will be Jimmuh II only worse.

There will be major problems overseas including:
1) Russian recapture of "lost" republics.
2) Iranian surrogates attacking Israel
3) Iranian stooges taking over Iraq
4) China making some sort of strong move on Taiwan
5) Venezuela making a move on Columbia

Economically we will see:
1) massive inflation due to soaring energy costs
2) large tax increases
3) high unemployment
4) high interest rates
5) large restrictions on free trade will echo Smoot-Hawley
6) Massive federal deficit increases as more money is poured into the UN programs and welfare schemes (that gas has to be paid for), healthcare etc.

Rights will be curtailed:

1) Free speech will be attacked via a new "fairness" doctrine that will also by expanded to include the Net and Cable venues.
2) mass expansions of gun control beyond the re-imposition of Clinton "assault" rifle bans.
3) ultra-liberal judges will invent more "positive" rights.

Posted by AlanC 2008-11-05 09:20|| 2008-11-05 09:20|| Front Page Top

#31 I feared this. We're getting the government we deserve. I'm investing in canned food and shotgun shells.

Posted by Formerly Dan 2008-11-05 09:29|| 2008-11-05 09:29|| Front Page Top

#32 There will be major problems There already are major problems.
There already is an immense economic crisis unfolding. Its ultimate dimensions are unknown. Economists, financial wizards and the best and the brightest world and business leaders have proven themselves totally inadequate to comprehend, much less deal with, what is happening. The media has failed to do its basic job, which is to simply describe what is happening.
A massive tax increase will just guarantee economic collapse, more than would otherwise happen. High unemployment is inevitable -- business profits & activity have been supported by insane amounts of leverage, when this leaves, so will jobs. High interest rates are extremely likely once lenders (especially foreign ones like China) grasp the situation they are in. Spending vast amounts of national treasury to import oil from people who want to destroy us is no substitute for a rational national energy policy. We already have a massive federal deficit increase with all the bailouts & other scams currently in play.
It looks like Iran will go nuclear. It doesn't look like Israel will consent to annihilation by Iran without putting up one hell of a fight.

Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2008-11-05 09:48|| 2008-11-05 09:48|| Front Page Top

#33 I read SDB's predictions - the press will not be hard on him - they won't admit they were wrong.

the can't admit socialism is a failure......

Posted by anonymous2u 2008-11-05 10:25|| 2008-11-05 10:25|| Front Page Top

#34 Talk of leaving the nation is foolish. Either leave (I suggest Australia) or stay and help fix the country and convert people to your way of thinking, but don't whine or even joke about bolting. That's so Alec Baldwin.

Posted by rjschwarz 2008-11-05 10:55|| 2008-11-05 10:55|| Front Page Top

#35 SDB also said the press has lost its credibility. Whatever the press goes on to for the next 4 years, some of their companies will go out of business.

Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2008-11-05 14:39|| 2008-11-05 14:39|| Front Page Top

#36 Re: 34. Spot on! This country is worth fighting for, and we all survived the Clinton years, didn't we? I thought the belly-aching and spineless whiners who run away from every challenge were on the Left?!

Alec Baldwin ain't my role model.

Posted by Dar">Dar 2008-11-05 15:40|| 2008-11-05 15:40|| Front Page Top

#37 Some press maygo out of business, but not because they've lost credibility. The vast majority of Americans are oblivious to just how manipulated this election was.

Press may go out of business due to the Internet - or won't, if the Dems pass sufficiently protective fairness legislation.

Posted by lotp 2008-11-05 16:58|| 2008-11-05 16:58|| Front Page Top

#38 Dar, I'm no wimp and I'm in it for the country But Clinton was not elected through massive voter fraud and even more massive acceptance of illegal foreign funds. (His were lesser and came in a couple big chunks rather than hundreds of millions of dollars that cannot be traced.)

That makes a difference. The press did all they could to keep Obama's open solicitation of funds from Europeans from being a major campaign issue. They succeeded. And so now we have the precedent of brazen flauting of basic election laws being embraced by a good part of the electorate.

Along with that we saw Murtha, Jefferson and Stevens re-elected easily. How obvious can it be that a lot of voters are perfectly happy to have corruption in Congress so long as they think they will get a handout in exchange?

It depresses me deeply to see so little regard for our constitutional processes and for integrity.

Posted by lotp 2008-11-05 17:00|| 2008-11-05 17:00|| Front Page Top

#39 YYYEEEEEEEEEHHAAAAWWWWWWWW!!

Six-Gun Neo-Con riding into the Rantburg OK Corrall.

Gus a-blazzzen! Four Years??? Hail -- NO!

Hussein is in for a real surprise. We are going to ride that ole mule into the GROUND!!!

(firing up Photoshop)

Posted by six-gun neo-con 2008-11-05 20:39|| 2008-11-05 20:39|| Front Page Top

#40 Gus = Guns

(also firing up spill check)

Posted by six-gun neo-con 2008-11-05 20:40|| 2008-11-05 20:40|| Front Page Top

#41 I am from down here in TEXAS. You know, the place the voted SQUARLEY AGAINST Hussein. Well, when Hussein opens the border to Mexico and them Meskins start flooding in we are going to meet them at the border with free transportation. Cattle Trailors. And we are going to take them straight up to DC and dump them out on the White House lawn.

This is going to be the most fun turd throwing 4 years in American History! YYYEEEEEEEEHH
HHHHHAAAAAAWWWWWWW!!

Posted by six-gun neo-con 2008-11-05 21:13|| 2008-11-05 21:13|| Front Page Top

#42 "I pin my hopes on Hillary becoming Senate majority leader and sabotaging the Chosen One at every step."

You know she'll get her revenge - just as soon as Nobama had paid off her $10 million in campaign debt.

It might not be obvious, but I hope we can figure out what it is - strictly for entertainment purposes, of course.... :-D

Posted by Barbara Skolaut">Barbara Skolaut 2008-11-05 21:43|| http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/]">[http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/] 2008-11-05 21:43|| Front Page Top

#43 I guess people could start moving to the last 2 countries in North America that are run by conservatives: Canada and Mexico

Posted by Vanc 2008-11-05 21:49|| 2008-11-05 21:49|| Front Page Top

#44 FYI you dumbfuck Mao-bama fools, *I* did not lose. McCain did. He ran as a decidedly non-conservative, and ran one of the more inept campaigns in recent times - he gave nobody a reason to vote FOR him, he waffled, he bailed out the big banks, and never found a proper voice fro economics until Joe the Plumber said something -- he also did not call into question the funding fiasco and felonies committed by ACRON on behalf of the Obama campaign and all the illegal donations as well, the repeated lies and self-contradictions of Obama, and the repeated broken promises of Obama, not to mention the lack of experience under pressure, and the large number of questionable associates of Obama.

I could go on and on. McCain LOST. Not me, nor my principles - since McCain did not run as a conservative but as a "bipartisan".

Want evidence? Prop 8 passed. The Gay Marriage ban in Florida passed. Exit polls show the following breakdown in self identification: 34% conservative, 44% moderate, 22% liberal

All that happened is that the press hid the REAL obama, and the GOP did nto run a conservative, but a mushy Bush type.

Posted by OldSpook 2008-11-05 23:15|| 2008-11-05 23:15|| Front Page Top

#45 VARIOUS NET POSTERS > a COVERT MASSIVE SOCIALIST TAKEOVER OF THE US-WORLD HAS OCCURRED = IS OCCURRING, AND US VOTERS HELPED DO IT, AS PER AMERICA, AND WID THEIR EYES OPEN???

* America = Amerika, Fascist = Limited Communist, USSA = USR, Socialism-Govtism = PLanned/Govt-controled Capitalism, .........@???

* WORLD MIL FORUM [China] > OBAMA ELECTION > UNION OF AMERIKAN SOCIALIST REPUBLIKS [UASR]!?

* "SOCIALIST" ONE-PARTY RULE > what freedoms and rights, etc. will the US-World + ordinary people have come 2012 or 2016???

Posted by JosephMendiola 2008-11-05 23:40|| 2008-11-05 23:40|| Front Page Top

#46 POST-ELECTION OBAMA FAMILY PHOTO:

* BARACK + daughter in BLACK > FASCIST SOCIALISM
* MICHELLE + daughter in RED > COMMUNIST SOCIALISM.
* COLLECTIVE > OTTOMAN EMPIRE > read, Muslims.

But, I digress....

Posted by JosephMendiola 2008-11-05 23:44|| 2008-11-05 23:44|| Front Page Top

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