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2008-11-06 -Signs, Portents, and the Weather-

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Posted by anonymous5089 2008-11-06 08:44|| || Front Page|| [1 views ] Top

#1 I see it everyday here in Florida. It comes up from the sea right in front of me and later in the day it goes down in the west. Some times you can't see it because of the thing called clouds. Some times it is red and some times it is orangey and in the summer it is hot as hell but in the winter its not so bad. Some people here in Florida wear shorts to show reverence to the sun and some even wear dark glasses as a veil of modesty to the sun.

Posted by Jack is Back!">Jack is Back! 2008-11-06 09:54|| 2008-11-06 09:54|| Front Page Top

#2 How long do you have to stare at the sun before you start seeing visions?

Posted by SteveS 2008-11-06 11:04|| 2008-11-06 11:04|| Front Page Top

#3 On October 13th, 1917, in Fatima Portugal 70,000 people witnessed a miracle. No, not mass hallucination. The crowd was so big, people on one end of the mass of people had no idea what people on the other end were thinking or seeing.
Peasant people 20-50 miles away who were not familiar with what was happening saw the miracle of the sun and testified to it.
Blessed Mary had been appearing to 3 children giving them messages of warning and prophecy.
On an ugly rainy day 70,000 muddy people waited for a "sign" that was foretold by this vision to three young Catholic children, of a woman, Mary. As 70,000 people watched, the 3 children received a private revelation from the lady.
At the end of the revelation the lady pointed to the sky. The children repeated the gesture for all to see. Well, they got a sign.
All of a sudden the clouds "drew apart like curtains" to reveal the sun which appeared as a pale silver disc. The sun began to spin wildly in the sky for a couple minutes and then came to rest. Then the cycle repeated two more times. The third time the spinning ended with the sun crashing toward the earth. People fell to the ground expecting to die. Then the sun returned to its normal position. (Present day skeptics, who try to discount the miracles of Fatima by human rationalization still cannot account for the bizarre actions of the sun that day; historically documented. Nor can they explain how this event was prophesied correctly in advance.)
Everyone present at the miracle, who were wet and muddy, stood up and were clean and dry, another sign. Many crippled and afflicted people were healed. Skeptics, there to cover the story for the press or to disprove the event, witnessed the miracle, testified to it, and many were converted. The event was reported in newspapers around the world.

Posted by Carbon Monoxide">Carbon Monoxide 2008-11-06 12:13|| 2008-11-06 12:13|| Front Page Top

#4 Carbon Monoxyde, my understanding is that this was filmed and photographed too (by journalists, notably, who were present en masse, including from secular newspapers there to deride the gullible, and reported they saw that as well), and that there was a concerted effort by the Church to get hold of all copies - I wonder if the "disk" was more akin to an Ufo?

Anyway, back to filmed marian apparitions, there's been a couple over coptic churches in egypt that were photographed by journalists and published (in the 60's) or filmed and aired on egyptian teevees in the early 2000's. Pictures I've seen are rather weird, not at all what you'd expect (IE the BVM), but rather strange lights, cross-shaped or vaguely angel-shaped. Weird. Something definitively was going on, but what? Anyway, the whole BVM apparitions issue is very interesting, from godly manifestations to demonic and/or Ufo deception, mass hysteria or folk's Catholiscism.

Posted by anonymous5089 2008-11-06 12:49|| 2008-11-06 12:49|| Front Page Top

#5 The Catholic Church did try to get copies of the pictures in order to investigate the authenticity of the apparitions. You can see pictures of this on the web. The Church takes this stuff very seriously and tries very hard to debunk a miracle before it declares that anything supernatural happened. For example, in Medjugorje, many people have reported apparitions but the Church has not approved of them. What is more likely, that God made the sun dance or people saw a UFO? Im betting on God. As far as being demonic, why would a demon want people to repent and turn to God? Why would a demon exhort people to pray more? Why would a demon warn the world of two world wars? Why would a demon tell people that souls were falling into hell like snowflakes and we need to turn back to God?

Posted by Carbon Monoxide">Carbon Monoxide 2008-11-06 13:05|| 2008-11-06 13:05|| Front Page Top

#6 Oh, and only the children saw the BVM.

Posted by Carbon Monoxide">Carbon Monoxide 2008-11-06 13:06|| 2008-11-06 13:06|| Front Page Top

#7 So he saw a sun-dog.
Join the crowd.

Posted by bigjim-ky 2008-11-06 13:07|| 2008-11-06 13:07|| Front Page Top

#8 Carbon, care to listen to a recent C2C show about the 3rd secret? i have it somewhere in one of my filefactory folders, along with other stuff. It's here (public folder, so there's no midget pr0n, but my whole pics archive, and a few comics books scans - .cbr needed to read them, check that one with the wikipedia article, all th elinks to the freeware are over there).

Posted by anonymous5089 2008-11-06 13:47|| 2008-11-06 13:47|| Front Page Top

#9 A sundog is a relatively common atmospheric optical phenomenon associated with the reflection/refraction of sunlight by the numerous small ice crystals that make up cirrus or cirrostratus clouds. A sundog is, however, a stationary phenomenon, and would not explain the reported appearance of the "dancing sun". However, there are marked problems with the sundog theory because the meteorological conditions at the time of the Miracle of the Sun were not conducive to such an occurrence. Sundogs occur in the presence of cirrus clouds, which are made out of ice, not water droplets. A sundog could have occurred prior to the rainstorm but not trailing the rainstorm, which is when the phenomenon occurred. A sundog would have to have occurred, at very least, hours prior to the storm, since cirrus clouds can precede a rainstorm by a few hours. The short and brief rain experienced before the sun event, on the other hand, indicates cumulonimbus clouds.

Posted by Carbon Monoxide">Carbon Monoxide 2008-11-06 16:13|| 2008-11-06 16:13|| Front Page Top

#10 I hit "submit" too soon. Another problem with the sundog theory is that people in about a 40 mile radius witnessed the event from various angles. This is not possible with a sundog.

Posted by Carbon Monoxide">Carbon Monoxide 2008-11-06 16:14|| 2008-11-06 16:14|| Front Page Top

#11 I went out tonight and looked up. All the stars were out. I could even see Cary Grant.

Posted by Deacon Blues">Deacon Blues 2008-11-06 18:42|| 2008-11-06 18:42|| Front Page Top

#12 I can only think of four ways the sun could "dance":
1. The Earth made huge sudden unusual motions.
2. The Sun made huge sudden unusual motions.
3. It was an optical illusion or something other that the sun.
4. It was imagined.
1 and 2 are out because nobody more than 40 miles away saw it. I don't discount that God could have performed 3 or 4. But if it was 3, then God deceived them. If it was 4, then what was the point? To show that God can mess with the minds of crowds? And if so, why not just make them believers without the circus.

Posted by Cromoting the Eponymous1936 2008-11-06 19:42|| 2008-11-06 19:42|| Front Page Top

#13 I dunno.... certain music makes me wanna dance, but I'm white, so I do it, badly. If the Sun could dance, I bet Sol would be good at it

uh oh..."what is Love?" just played in an ad...brb

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2008-11-06 20:06|| 2008-11-06 20:06|| Front Page Top

#14 To show that God can mess with the minds of crowds? And if so, why not just make them believers without the circus.

Maybe it was just his way of saying 'PAY ATTENTION CLOSELY TO THIS.'

Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2008-11-06 20:14|| 2008-11-06 20:14|| Front Page Top

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