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2003-04-12 Iraq
Iraqi officer reveals army chaos
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Posted by George 2003-04-12 07:49 am|| || Front Page|| [17 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 Okay. So he didn't get orders - none of them did, apparently.

Okay. They didn't want to fight for Saddam and die. Smarter than we thought.

So. WTF did WE have to do this? Aren't there enough MEN in Iraq to do this from the inside? I have no respect for any Iraqi males. Sorry, but at least some Germans had the cajones to go after Hitler.

I can't help but wonder if they will respect and honor freedom without having earned it?

Anyone have thoughts on this?
Posted by PD 2003-04-12 10:56:37||   2003-04-12 10:56:37|| Front Page Top

#2 There were iraqis who tried to whack Hussain... they're all in the cemetaries or multiple small plastic bags in the dump. The price was high and usually not just the men, but their extended families were tortured and put to death as examples. If Sammy could've been gotten easily the Mossad would've done it long ago
Posted by Frank G  2003-04-12 11:22:59||   2003-04-12 11:22:59|| Front Page Top

#3 Sadsack Hasbeen was a monster, and ruled Iraq through terror. It wasn't just those who might say, "I don't like Saddam" that were killed, but their families were brought in in front of them and slowly, methodically tortured until they died. While there were probably many brave men that would have loved to murder Hussein, there were few willing to risk their families and their extended families to years of torture. Of course, that kind of government has earned no loyalty from the common citizen, and the army and other groups melted away as soon as the threat to their families disappeared.

One of the reasons our military performs at the level it does is because they KNOW their families will be cared for if anything happens to them. It is done through the military, and through hundreds of veterans' groups everywhere. You can see the difference on the battlefield.
Posted by Old Patriot  2003-04-12 12:48:26||   2003-04-12 12:48:26|| Front Page Top

#4 I think you are being too harsh on the Iraqis. Obviously there were those trying to kill Sammy. He had several body doubles, and never stayed in the same palace for long.

Have you forgotten the two missile strikes we launched specifically to get him? We couldn't have done them without someone betraying him. For all we know, the source(s) were there at the time of the attack, and basically signed their own death warrant by letting us know where Sammy was supposed to be.
Posted by Baba Yaga 2003-04-12 15:50:29||   2003-04-12 15:50:29|| Front Page Top

#5 Also this, concerning insurrection against Hussein: He installed his Fedayeen within families' homes. This is the ultimate in intimidation down to the smallest societal unit, and it really affects a person's will to resist and reinforces the 'Saddam is everywhere' idea -- as much as or more than the damned murals and statues.
Posted by Shana  2003-04-12 18:16:46|| [www.shanas-hands.com]  2003-04-12 18:16:46|| Front Page Top

#6 I'd like to point out, Shana, that this was one of the final straws that broke the Revolutionary back in 1776 America. The British Army of the time had the same cute habit of quartering military personel in civilian homes.

Note that I'm NOT compairing the Brits to the Fedayeen, GOD no. But the "quartering" as it was called, was specifically mentioned by many people at the time as the item that made the Revolution "personal" for them. And intimidated them as they were often expected to play the part of servants to the quartered officers.

What the Brits did was annoying and offensive. What Saddam & his Fedayeen did goes beyond the pale.

Ed.
Posted by Ed Becerra 2003-04-13 04:00:28||   2003-04-13 04:00:28|| Front Page Top

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