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2003-06-20 Europe

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Posted by Dripping Sarcasm 2003-06-20 10:50 am|| || Front Page|| [7 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 hod interesting comment, in view of difference on 2nd amendment as an individual or collective right. Jews have responded to anti-semitism not by arming as INDIVIDUALS,but by forming a state.

Posted by liberalhawk 6/20/2003 1:29:10 PM|| 6/20/2003 1:29:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#2 hod, but the proper zionist (and i think, logical) answer is that if their states are nto protecting them, they should move to Israel (as indeed many French Jews are doing) not attempt to use personal weapons as a substitute for public order.

SM - i really didnt mean to get into 2nd amendment juriprudence here, i just found hods statement interesting from the Zionist point of view.

Posted by liberalhawk 6/20/2003 2:47:49 PM|| 6/20/2003 2:47:49 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 Jews are the European whipping boys for underlying sexual repression in European Culture. Read your Freud about projection and and paranoia.

Posted by Anonymous 2003-06-20 11:43:00|| [neoconcultureclub.blogspot.com] 2003-06-20 11:43:00|| Front Page Top

#4 Except where the unassimilated muslims live in hateful ghettos....helloooo Jacques!

Posted by Frank G 2003-06-20 11:59:28|| 2003-06-20 11:59:28|| Front Page Top

#5 Another reason to support the Second Amendment. If I were a European Jew, purchase #1 would be a good scatter-gun. ("Never again" works best if you are able to defend yourself.)

Posted by Hodadenon 2003-06-20 12:44:45|| 2003-06-20 12:44:45|| Front Page Top

#6 hod interesting comment, in view of difference on 2nd amendment as an individual or collective right. Jews have responded to anti-semitism not by arming as INDIVIDUALS,but by forming a state.

Posted by liberalhawk 2003-06-20 13:29:10|| 2003-06-20 13:29:10|| Front Page Top

#7 Timely article. There is an influx of Jews in Europe right now, with countries such as Germany and Poland seeing applications for citizenship dramatically increase recently. This is partly due to the troubles in the Middle East but also because people want to get into the EU hoping for better job prospects. These people are actually reclaiming their citizenship, as these are same people who left Europe after WW2 to build present-day Israel. With the EU expanding, more opportunities are available, and combined with a peaceful life, the decision to leave Israel is becoming easier to make.

Posted by RW 2003-06-20 14:35:46|| 2003-06-20 14:35:46|| Front Page Top

#8 Liberalhawk: No offense, I respect your intelligence immensely, but the "collective" interpretation of he 2nd Amendment is a load of garbage promoted by those with a real fear of an armed (re: independent) American populace. Read the written works of nearly ANY of our founding fathers: they are quite clear on the matter. I've always wondered: how did the left end up being so anti-gun? Noted socialist George Orwell certainly wasn't, neither was noted Marxist Trotsky.

Actually, I wouldn't be so certain about Israel being a good example of "collective" gun ownership. Just a hunch, but I bet if their gummit suddenly demanded that everyone turn in their gats, the result would be a new gummit.

Posted by Secret Master 2003-06-20 14:38:08|| [www.budgetwarrior.com] 2003-06-20 14:38:08|| Front Page Top

#9 True, LH, but the European Jews are NOT being protected by the IDF (OR by the states within which they reside) and should therefore be concerned about defending themselves.

Posted by Hodadenon 2003-06-20 14:38:22|| 2003-06-20 14:38:22|| Front Page Top

#10 hod, but the proper zionist (and i think, logical) answer is that if their states are nto protecting them, they should move to Israel (as indeed many French Jews are doing) not attempt to use personal weapons as a substitute for public order.

SM - i really didnt mean to get into 2nd amendment juriprudence here, i just found hods statement interesting from the Zionist point of view.

Posted by liberalhawk 2003-06-20 14:47:49|| 2003-06-20 14:47:49|| Front Page Top

#11 BTW RW - most Jewish migration to Germany in recent years is from former Soviet Union - certainly security and economy in Israel will impact how many want to go to Germany (or the US) vs Israel. Dont know of many Israelis going to Germany - main country they try to go is generally US - there could be more in Europe than im aware of though.

There is data showing a substantial increase in French jews going to live in Israel - a very rare western migration. Other big increase is from Argentina, not surprisingly. There continues to be migration from FSU, though that is slowing as the pool of potential migrants shrinks, and conditions worsen in Israel, and improve slightly in Russia. And there is still a flow of Ethiopians, IIUC.

Posted by liberalhawk 2003-06-20 15:54:25|| 2003-06-20 15:54:25|| Front Page Top

#12 Aside from rejecting the rancid payoff from the Saudi princeling, proffered with an emetic lecture, Giuliani booted Arafat from some Lincoln Center soiree. That, of course, was way back in 1993, when the bien pensants were still fellating the mangy terrorist. Whatever his personal shortcomings may be, he is a doughty defender of excellent principles.

Posted by af 2003-06-20 18:15:37|| 2003-06-20 18:15:37|| Front Page Top

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