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2003-12-04 -Short Attention Span Theater-

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Posted by SamIII 2003-12-04 8:09:34 AM|| || Front Page|| [1 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 "good for Palestine as well"...well said!

Posted by B 2003-12-4 8:15:34 AM|| 2003-12-4 8:15:34 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Guys, the next application of this will NOT be against the PA. I'm thinking they'll try to apply it to someone or some organization in the US.

Posted by Robert Crawford 2003-12-4 8:22:47 AM|| [http://www.kloognome.com] 2003-12-4 8:22:47 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 RC, Unfortunately you are probably correct. Look for this to be brought out after the next school shooting (as long as its by a conservative) - they will attempt to apply this to 'Talk Radio' or one of the other alledged 'hate-mongering' press.

Do you think this will be applied to Palistine by the UN - who cant bring itself to condem a deliberate act of murder against inncent civilians?

Now that would definately set off my suprise meter!

Posted by CrazyFool 2003-12-4 8:32:36 AM|| 2003-12-4 8:32:36 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 In this particular case, it wasn't as abstract as all that. These thugs were broadcasting specific incitements to the genocide, including specific names of those to be killed. I don't doubt some nitwit will try to overgeneralize, but it will be a real stretch from what happened here.

Posted by VAMark 2003-12-4 12:30:14 PM|| 2003-12-4 12:30:14 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 "words aren't genocide." Factually correct but beside the point. There have always been specific limits to free speech. Even a staunch constitutionalist like Hugo Black agreed that you couldn't cry "fire" in a crowded theater. If you do and someone dies, you've committed manslaughter. If you're a member of the KKK and scream "kill the n*ggers and the Jews", you've incited to riot, and if someone dies, you can be held accountable. If you blatently advocate killing tens of thousands of people, you've incited to genocide. If people die, you should be hung from the nearest tree.

Of course, this ruling will never be applied to the palestinians, only the israelis who fight back in self defense.

Posted by Slumming 2003-12-4 12:45:47 PM|| 2003-12-4 12:45:47 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 I think this decision is at odds with current US law. Under Brandenburg v. Ohioa 1969 Supreme Court case and Collin v. Smith a seventh circuit panel decision, you have a right to spew hatred against a group. But directing people to commit specific acts of violence is not protected speech.
Saying that Hitler should have finished all the Jews is not something the state may forbid or proscribe. But putting up posters with the name and addresses of named individuals accompanied with instructions about killing is no part of free expression.

Posted by Anonymous 2003-12-4 2:21:49 PM|| 2003-12-4 2:21:49 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 Still a narrow line that can in fact be crossed. "Hitler should have killed all the jews" expresses a personal opinion and is protected, no matter whether you agree or not. "There's a jew named Nauman living down at 23 Chestnut St. Go get cans of gasoline and a rope and burn him out and lynch him", isn't protected. A direct verbal threat of bodily harm against someone is considered assault, even if you never lay a finger on the person.

Posted by Slumming 2003-12-4 3:34:32 PM|| 2003-12-4 3:34:32 PM|| Front Page Top

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