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2004-02-25 
Kerry Denounces/Defends Fence. Pick One
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Posted by Steve 2004-02-25 11:00:54 AM|| || Front Page|| [5 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 Ah and the peaceniks gather around his Lordship with wide open eyes, while his wife continues donating money to protest the U.S. invasion of Iraq, demand open U.S. borders, provide the legal defense of suspected terrorists and promote the spread of Islamist ideology in the U.S.
Meanwhile in a hole in the Middle East the Imamas leap for joy for their saviour from the Infidel Devil Bush.

Yes Kerry-Fonda in 2004........what this country needs
Posted by dataman1 2004-2-25 12:11:36 PM||   2004-2-25 12:11:36 PM|| Front Page Top

#2 "Steve Rabinowitz, a Democratic strategist in Washington, said he sees no contradiction.
"Kerry’s position is no different from Bush’s," he said. "The word ’barrier’ was not even in the lexicon back in October when we only talked about fences and walls. He was obviously talking about obstacles to peace, not physical fences. I don’t see anything contradictory at all between then and now." "

Does that guy think we're all morons or what? Only a lawyer would say something that ridiculous... this guy must have been one.
Posted by Damn_Proud_American  2004-2-25 12:23:02 PM|| [http://brighterfuture.blogspot.com]  2004-2-25 12:23:02 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 On the fence about a fence - did Dr. Suess write this chapter?
Posted by Super Hose  2004-2-25 12:37:03 PM||   2004-2-25 12:37:03 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 DPA -- Nah, that guy's right. The word "barrier" was added to the English language in November of last year. All previous usages have been struck by the ALA and NEA.
Posted by Robert Crawford  2004-2-25 1:27:10 PM|| [http://www.kloognome.com]  2004-2-25 1:27:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 Barrier has been in the language for a long time meaning both a literal obstacle and a metaphorical one. Yasser Arafat is a barrier to peace, and ive seen him as one since summer 2000. And i cant seem to recall a use of the word barrier to refer to the security fence in or before October 2003. So Rabinowitz may well be right. Of course that fails to answer WHAT Kerry war referring to as an obstacle in that speech - probably not Arafat, since it was before an arab audience. But he could have been referring to certain possible routes for the fence - whose route the Israeli govt has modified and is now looking at modifying further.

Kerry has yet to "sell" me on this set of issues, but if you think youve got a smoking gun here you're fooling yourselves.
Posted by liberalhawk 2004-2-25 2:25:55 PM||   2004-2-25 2:25:55 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 by the way, MickeyKaus, who highlights the above Kerry statement, says that even if the explanation of what Kerry says is correct then its still pandering to his audience (IE why not tell the arabs the fence is legitimate and tell the Jews the route is a barrier to peace?)

But Kaus also points out some other things - the recent Bush - Kerry dust up over military service and national security stands is distracting the media from the Edwards campaign, just before super Tuesday. The Bush support for the anti gay marriage amendment has the same effect. Could it be that the White House is afraid of Edwards, and WANTS to run againt Kerry???
Posted by liberalhawk 2004-2-25 2:41:08 PM||   2004-2-25 2:41:08 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 I think a Kerry vs. Kerry debate would make for great fun. I'm sure Karl Rove has got some funny ads along that line already.
Posted by eLarson 2004-2-25 3:38:04 PM||   2004-2-25 3:38:04 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 Well, the gay marriage amendment speech did suck all of the air out of the room, a la Clinton, so Kaus' suggestion has some merit. But my first thought was that Dubya is trying to cover his southern flank against an attack by Edwards either from the first or the second slot on the Democratic ticket. Very tough for Dubya to win without a solid South. But it's now very tough for Edwards to damage Bush in the South without coming out four-square in favor of the amendment.

Another explanation for the timing would be that Dubya had to do this at some point; and would rather take his lumps early in the compaign rather than late.
Posted by Matt 2004-2-25 3:46:56 PM||   2004-2-25 3:46:56 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 As a southerner from North Carolina, I'd say Edwards is nothing but a low-life ambulance chasing pretty boy. He's scum. I wouldn't piss on his head if his face was on fire.
Posted by AllahHateMe 2004-2-25 4:43:45 PM||   2004-2-25 4:43:45 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 As a southerner from North Carolina, I'd say Edwards is nothing but a low-life ambulance chasing pretty boy. He's scum. I wouldn't piss on his head if his face was on fire.

As another southerner from NC I second your opinion. Problem is he fooled us once and so could he the rest of the USA. See him as another Clinton - good talker with a pretty face but bad for the nation.
Posted by AF Lady 2004-2-25 5:02:50 PM||   2004-2-25 5:02:50 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 As a southerner from North Carolina, I'd say Edwards is nothing but a low-life ambulance chasing pretty boy. He's scum. I wouldn't piss on his head if his face was on fire.
I'd rather have 33% Breck Boy than JFK II. I don't recall Breckboy loving up to the Senator from SCUBA. I'm not worried tho because chainney will do the right thing. :)
Posted by Shipman 2004-2-25 5:30:01 PM||   2004-2-25 5:30:01 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 The latest press release from the Kerry camp, campaign speech #1025:

“It isn’t so much what is said, as it is what goes around comes around. There are many ways to give the impression that there are several different methods, or methodologies, if you will, to the thinking that there isn’t much there.

As I have stated many times, and at least once, is that there OUGHT to be some form of review, rather than all out speculation that he-said, she-said ideology comes close to the target.

There is no way anybody can contradict me, when they know full well that the record states, undeniably and unambiguously, there have not been, nor have there ever been circumstances in which certain issues come to light, regardless of the fallout to those who pretend not to have any dog in this race.”

Kerry himself was not available for comment concerning his remarks.
Posted by Hyper 2004-2-25 7:02:42 PM||   2004-2-25 7:02:42 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 Steve Rabinowitz obviously didn't read Indy Media last August.
"EI, August 1- Israel's Separation Barrier, dubbed the 'Apartheid Wall' or 'Berlin Wall' by Palestinians, has increasingly attracted international media attention, largely due to the hard-to-ignore scale of the project." (God bless Google.)
Posted by GK 2004-2-25 9:31:42 PM||   2004-2-25 9:31:42 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 Yes, the Tin Man will need a lot of oil pretty soon. Let's hope the old lady will buy it for him.
Posted by tu3031 2004-2-25 9:35:38 PM||   2004-2-25 9:35:38 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 Ketchup doesn't work too well on tin - kinda corrosive.
Posted by Old Patriot  2004-2-26 12:25:35 AM|| [http://users.codenet.net/mweather/default.htm]  2004-2-26 12:25:35 AM|| Front Page Top

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