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2004-04-09 Iraq-Jordan

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Posted by CrazyFool 2004-04-09 6:12:56 PM|| || Front Page|| [1 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 "Russia has called on the sides in Iraq to show restraint and warned of "an impending humanitarian disaster" in Falluja."

No, Vlad, that would be Grozny you're thinking of. This is Fallujah.

Posted by Matt 2004-04-09 6:53:25 PM|| 2004-04-09 6:53:25 PM|| Front Page Top

#2 You are now fighting an entire nation, from south to north, from east to west,

I don't know about the northern part of Iraq. You know, where the Kurds are.

Russia has called on the sides in Iraq to show restraint and warned of "an impending humanitarian disaster" in Falluja.

This was the Russian version of a Saturday Night Live skit.

Posted by Rafael 2004-04-09 6:56:30 PM|| 2004-04-09 6:56:30 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 "This is genocide"

No you witless moron- genocide would be the West having it's fill of all the decades of ME bullshit and finally nuking it into smooth, smoking glass. Which is sounding like the better option by the hour.

Posted by Craig 2004-04-09 7:02:25 PM|| 2004-04-09 7:02:25 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 WTF is up with "peace talks"?

Posted by growler 2004-04-09 7:05:59 PM|| 2004-04-09 7:05:59 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 "This ain't Rock and Roll, This is Genocide"

opening line - David Bowie; Diamond Dogs (live)

smells like ~~teen spirit~~ plagiarism

Posted by Frank G 2004-04-09 7:14:24 PM|| 2004-04-09 7:14:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 From that Marine's letter that has been circulating around the Internet these last few days

Things have been busy here. You know I can't say much about it. However, I do know two things. One, POTUS has given us the green light to do whatever we needed to do to win this thing so we have that going for us. Two, and my opinion only, this battle is going to have far reaching effects on not only the war here in Iraq but in the overall war on terrorism.

Having no military background, I read this as meaning Bush has told them to take the gloves off, and go win this thing. To me, this is the last "fight" that has to happen, and it is occurring on our terms.

Any thoughts?

Posted by Sherry 2004-04-09 7:29:28 PM|| 2004-04-09 7:29:28 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 Sherry, this doesn't quite respond to your question, but Wretchard at Belmont Club says:

"The pitiful accounts of the battle of Fallujah should put paid to the silly press suggestions that the US military is "overwhelmed". The problem is that the terrifying combat efficiency of the Marines may in fact lead to the literal extermination of enemy forces. US authorities, with a longer term end game in mind, are balancing the political outcomes of letting the Marines continue, even in their restrained mode, and taking more US casualties from holding back. When the media learns the full extent of enemy casualties in Fallujah, Kut, Ramadi, Saddam city and elsewhere, the image of the US military will be switched from "hapless" to "bullying" in a millisecond."

I really like that phrase "terrifying combat efficiency of the Marines."

Posted by Matt 2004-04-09 8:05:29 PM|| 2004-04-09 8:05:29 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 I don't know; none of us do. I think you may be reading more into that remark than is warranted, Sherry.

I hope not, God knows; but so much of what we're hearing these days strikes me as symptomatic of leadership which has gone timid, and which has allowed itself to focus too much on nation building and not enough on destruction of the enemy.

We conduct ourselves according to the high standards of our western civilization, perhaps to impress the population with our decency and good intent; but in their frame of reference, they don't know how to interpret our behavior as anything other than some sort of weird timidity.

I really worry that we're being far too gentle over their, and as a direct result many more people will die--theirs as well as ours--than would be the case and went utterly medieval on these Fallujah gangsters.

Posted by Dave D. 2004-04-09 8:07:35 PM|| 2004-04-09 8:07:35 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 "No dumb, well meaning bastard, has ever won a war dying for his country; He lets the other dumb bastard die for his country!"
Ohh Patton...where are you!!!

Posted by smn 2004-04-09 8:27:32 PM|| 2004-04-09 8:27:32 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 >I really worry that we're being far too gentle

Yes, it's probably best to strike a balance between Cruelty And Clemency. Since there are reports that all Fallujan men of military age are been denied passage out of Fallajah, I'd say that a lesson in cruelty is being prepared.

Posted by Lux 2004-04-09 8:28:10 PM|| 2004-04-09 8:28:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 I sure hope that's the case. There's an awful lot of caterwauling about negotiations, though. Way too much for my taste.

Posted by Fred 2004-04-09 8:34:05 PM|| 2004-04-09 8:34:05 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 Sherry,
While I certainly hope that the military will be able to fight this on their terms, I am not optimistic that this is the last fight. I am encouraged that FOX just reported that 60,000 people evacuated Fallujah, and please, Please, PLEASE hope that we made sure to thorougly vet them. BTW- this is appx 1/4 of that city's population.

With Syria and Iran next door, I fear that we are in for many months of intermittent insurrection. We must have the will to bear it all out to the end!

Steve DenBeste of USS Clueless posted an unoffical white paper of our gov'ts intentions and policy wrt the ME and the WOT. God save us if we are not brave enough to see this finished.

A recent poster on LGF said it quite well- we have three options; Bear with the Islamists as-is (which means that we will eventually live in dhimmitude), change them, or KILL THEM! Position one is untenable, position two is commendable- and is what GWB is attempting, position three becomes more tempting as the horrors of the Muslim world come out into the light of day.

I have often stated that I have the utmost respect for those who respect me. IMHO the Islamists show nothing but disdain, to say the least, for any but the most reactionary of the Muslim world. In their view, we must either submit to their perversion of Islam or die. I will join the long history of liberty in our great country- give me liberty or give me death. I will fully support blasting these bastards to their 72 raisins until they quit screaming for my death.

Posted by Craig 2004-04-09 8:40:23 PM|| 2004-04-09 8:40:23 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 Thanks, guys, I always respect your words..........

Posted by Sherry 2004-04-09 8:43:52 PM|| 2004-04-09 8:43:52 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 "How can a superpower like the US put itself in a state of war with a small city like Falluja? This is genocide," he told AFP news agency on Friday, the first anniversary of the fall of Saddam Hussein.

How can we? Easy, just mutilate and burn our civilians, then sit back and watch the mosques come tumbling down.

Does anyone else find it ironic in the extreme that this accusation of "genocide" exactly coincides with the first anniversary of Saddam's being deposed? Were Hussein still in power, the real "genocide" would be continuing entirely unabated.

NOTE TO TERRORISTS: If this is how you define "genocide," keep a Thesaurus handy, because you're really going to need one.

Posted by Zenster 2004-04-09 8:55:10 PM|| 2004-04-09 8:55:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 I think those three options put forth by the LGF poster Craig cited are indeed our choices: put up with incessant 9/11-style attacks from the Islamoloonies, foster a sea-change in Islamic societies which will render them non-toxic, or just kill them all.

Right now they don't have sense enough to know that their very survival depends on whether we succeed with the de-toxification experiment we're conducting in Iraq. We've got to make this work; I don't want my grandchildren to have to decide between submitting to sharia and killing a half-billion Arabs in a nuclear holocaust.

We've got to make it work- yet the entire Democratic Party is trying their damndest to make it fail, just so they can win this presidential election.

Pray for us.

Posted by Dave D. 2004-04-09 8:57:43 PM|| 2004-04-09 8:57:43 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 You heard it here first:

When all this Falluja nonsense calms down, Al-Jizz and locals will start discovering "mass graves".

I almost envy the leaders of the islamofascists; the strategic PR moves for them are too easy.

Posted by Carl in NH 2004-04-09 9:23:53 PM|| 2004-04-09 9:23:53 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 We are at a key juncture in modern history. Reform of Islam, down to it's core will occur. It would be far better for it to change from within, and I support the far too few sane Islamic voices such as Irshad Manji. But, by damn, if they do not find a way to muzzle and quell the Islamists instead of being cowed by them, the West will be forced to silence the Islamists for them, and no one will be overjoyed with the aftermath.

Posted by Craig 2004-04-09 9:24:09 PM|| 2004-04-09 9:24:09 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 Dave D.

I don't know how old you are, but I don't plan on leaving my children, let alone grandchildren, the choice of submitting to sharia, though they may voluntarily convert anytime they want. I'd make the decision for them real soon. And I've got a daughter 20. Real Soon, y'all heah?

Posted by Mr. Davis 2004-04-09 9:24:52 PM|| 2004-04-09 9:24:52 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 Just an interesting tidbit of information that gets stored back in my mind.... I heard, only once today, from Brett on Fox... during the cease fire, the dead were being buried in a soccer field in the middle of town. Over 300 of them, and all fighters.

Now, if I'm a citizen of this town, I don't think I would be letting my kin be buried in a soccer field in the middle of town.

Thinkin'.... humm... are we running out of enemy?

Posted by Sherry 2004-04-09 10:24:08 PM|| 2004-04-09 10:24:08 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 Sherry - There might be a looming shortage of attacking forwards...

Posted by .com 2004-04-09 10:30:46 PM|| 2004-04-09 10:30:46 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 I really don't understand these IGC members criticizing the U.S. for finally taking out the garbage in Falujah. If enough of these baathists and islamofascists survive, the IGC can forget about having a free, prosperous Iraq. But action A/consequence B logic is pretty rare in that part of the world.

Posted by Kirk 2004-04-09 11:05:47 PM|| 2004-04-09 11:05:47 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 Kirk,

We're going to install a democracy. There will be at least one election. Some of them may be starting their campaigns a litle early.

Posted by Mr. Davis 2004-04-09 11:39:24 PM|| 2004-04-09 11:39:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#23 No telling what's being planned for Fallujah, but we better kill as many of the baddies as we can find now, because we're unlikely to be handed the chance again. Not even these holy-joe guys will volunteer to walk into the Marine meat-grinder again, I think. They'll switch to low-intensity again, wait out the handover, then work the new Gov't for all they can extort.

Posted by mojo 2004-04-10 12:11:21 AM|| 2004-04-10 12:11:21 AM|| Front Page Top

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