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2004-04-24 Fifth Column

Portland Indymedia on Tillman: Dumb Jock Killed In Afghanistan

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Posted by Frank G 2004-04-24 6:56:46 AM|| || Front Page|| [4 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Just when you think the Left can't go any lower, they do.
And Pat graduated from college early with a high GPA, yet he's still a "dumb jock."
How disrespectful of the dead and of someone who died for their freedom to say this moronic crap.

Posted by Jen 2004-04-24 7:20:24 AM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com] 2004-04-24 7:20:24 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Besides stating the obvious that these people are disgusting moral relativists. They are wrong. Many know that they are evil. Possibly even the writer of the article here. I also am amazed how they point out what conditions are in countries that they live half a world a way from and really have no concept of what is going on, as if it is fact. BTW, I don't think the entire left is this bad, I think this is a small minority of them.

Posted by Ol_Dirty_American 2004-04-24 7:27:58 AM|| 2004-04-24 7:27:58 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 More gutless, heartless, and soul-less bigotry from the il-liberal left

Posted by ting tang walla walla bing bang 2004-04-24 7:38:40 AM|| 2004-04-24 7:38:40 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 He fought and died so the Afghans would have the chance to exercise the same right of free speech that these asshats use to condemn him. Isn't the irony beautiful?

God bless you and keep you, Pat.

Posted by Dar 2004-04-24 8:03:51 AM|| 2004-04-24 8:03:51 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Note that the most vicious terror-enablers and fifth columnists invariably base their assaults on Halliburtonish conspiracy theories.
I think we could win the war and spare thousands of American and Muslim lives by elminating everyone on a carefully selected list of the top 50 conspiracy mongers in the global media culture.
There, I said it.

Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2004-04-24 8:19:12 AM|| 2004-04-24 8:19:12 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 AC - I wish we could reject their citizenship (since they are traitors) and make them live as workers in Cuba...that worker's paradise they all love so dearly. As a deterrent to other traitors, we could video their latte withdrawls for the world to see.

As for Pat - he's a true American hero. My big fear is that some LLL reporter pointed him out to the enemy as a big propaganda hit. Isn't it sad that the thought even crosses my mind? There will be no way to know of course, and it's probably not true - but he's such a good guy, it's just hard for me to believe that he didn't survive. OTOH, each death in Iraq, is an equally devastaing blow to their families. Sigh.

Posted by anon 2004-04-24 8:44:12 AM|| 2004-04-24 8:44:12 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 I can't name names, but I have positive knowledge that at least a few high-level media professionals (HIGH. LEVEL.) are privately in favor of the kind of drastic action I suggested in my post above. Not all of these are conservatives, not by any means.
The threat of nihilist idiotarianism is not limited to Republicans, and there are forces at work within the Democratic Party and the academic culture whose nature and existence are not even suspected in the larger culture of the left.

Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2004-04-24 8:50:48 AM|| 2004-04-24 8:50:48 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 AC, could you please clarify what you are talking about ? Any anecdotes ?

Posted by Carl in N.H. 2004-04-24 9:22:12 AM|| 2004-04-24 9:22:12 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 AC - the problem is that you can't "eliminate" the conspiracy mongers without actually turning their conspiracy talk into reality.

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2004-04-24 9:29:10 AM|| 2004-04-24 9:29:10 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 Hey indymedia, don't look now, but because of our "2-dimensional western greed" as the sole motivation for overthrowing the taliban, women don't have to wear burkhas there anymore. Girls have retured to school. Remember that sickening video of the woman being publicly tortured and humiliated before finally being shot in the head in front of a packed soccer stadium? That was Taliban government approved activity, you shmucks! While you and your hippie wanna-be buddies had huge protests for the oppressed women, demanding that President Clinton do something about the horrible conditions that reduced women in countries like Afghanistan to a status slightly above dog feces, he himself was betraying and deceiving his own wife and daughter while seducing young female interns!

You'd be the first to condemn the "obscene" salaries that "dumb jock" athletes are paid, while other people in the world are living in poverty. However, when one of them shows the heart, and willingness to use it even at risk to his own life, to affect the changes you impotently whine for, you condemn him. How ironic it is that you villify someone who "dropped out" from a life of comfort, stardom and wealth to pursue higher ideals.

Actually it's not ironic at all. Simply put, you're jealous that here was visible case of someone making the real ultimate sacrifice for the ideals of liberty and freedom, revealing, in stark contrast, people like you, who do nothing but impotentaly whine for.

You call yourselves "Independant" media? Bull! You insult the word.

Posted by Dripping Sarcasm 2004-04-24 9:39:50 AM|| 2004-04-24 9:39:50 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 AC - times have changed since 911. Americans are waking up to realize that we have entered a new century and that the problems of the 20th Century are old problems and that the new problems require new thought.

I don't know how we should deal with these traitors amongst us. But I agree that they will need to be dealt with.

Posted by B 2004-04-24 9:40:49 AM|| 2004-04-24 9:40:49 AM|| Front Page Top

#12 Actually it's not ironic at all. Simply put, you're jealous that here was visible case of someone making the real ultimate sacrifice for the ideals of liberty and freedom, revealing, in stark contrast, people like you, who do nothing but impotentaly whine for.

right on!

Posted by B 2004-04-24 9:42:32 AM|| 2004-04-24 9:42:32 AM|| Front Page Top

#13 Aris, you're quite right, but real conspiracies do exist so this is nothing new.

The conspiracy mongers do not simply allege the existence of conspiracies, they attribute large-scale events to conspiracies that basically could not exist by virtue of their intricacy and scale.

There is a big difference between, say, the Israeli Gideon project (which was a real conspiracy in the literal sense of the term) and an allegation that a unified conspiracy of media, corporations and politicians has dominated American foreign policy for decades on end.

One significant difference is the allegation by the conspiracy mongers that the media are collectively controlled by the over-arching conspiracy.
Anyone who knows anything about the media industry will realize that this cannot be. Indeed, the existence of conspiracy theorists themselves is proof that no such control exists.

Carl,
Yes, an on-air reporter for one of the alphabet networks, a noted liberal, has told me that he believes that extremists in the media have moved well beyond the Constitutional limits of free speech in their incitement of Islamic revolution. At the same time, he recognizes that legal remedies do exist, but cannot be used in fact because of changes in public perception over the last half-century, the defacto legalization of all forms of expression.

The alternatives are changes in the law and Constitution that would undermine the First Amendment in the future, or some kind of technically unlawful action.

Within the Democratic Party, there are many who recognize that fringe elements have gained more power than their numbers would justify and, more importantly, that these elements are completely inimical to traditional party principles.
This is largely the Party's own fault, of course, with the institutionalization of "inclusiveness" having been carried to bizarre extremes.
There are definitely people who believe that cleaning up this mess in the only way to save the two-party system.
Another anecdote: the other day I was talking to one of my few remaining lefty friends. The subject was the public, seemingly ritualized mutilation of bodies by the Iraqi jihadis.
He seemed absolutely appalled and suggested that an inherent flaw in their culture was behind this.
I said, "That is more than I would say. Do you realize just what you are saying, by the way?"
"Yes" he answered, "I think we have to consider some possibilities that we haven't considered before."
"That it is a fatal mistake for progressives to oppose the war."

Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2004-04-24 10:04:38 AM|| 2004-04-24 10:04:38 AM|| Front Page Top

#14 Aris! While you're here, do you have a decent link to EU subsidy/capital improvement flows?

Posted by Shipman 2004-04-24 10:05:42 AM|| 2004-04-24 10:05:42 AM|| Front Page Top

#15 an inherent flaw in their culture

What I've noticed in the last month or so is that this topic is no longer off limits in polite conversation. I think this represents a huge change in national thought and dialogue. JMHO.

Posted by B 2004-04-24 10:11:11 AM|| 2004-04-24 10:11:11 AM|| Front Page Top

#16 I don't know how we should deal with these traitors amongst us. But I agree that they will need to be dealt with.

A while back I posited that some targeted killing was going to be required to deal with the 5th columnists and traitors in our midst.

Of course a few of the "regulars" here were predictably outraged. Maybe I should have suggested selective elimination instead.

Given that the enemies of our society and its constitutional freedoms are using those same freedoms to destroy us, we are going to have to resort to extra-constitutional measures to kill...er eliminate them.

It will take the establishment and funding of an organization seperate from the government, whose charter is to indentify, fix in place and kill those elements that are toxic and traitorous.

-AR

Posted by Analog Roam 2004-04-24 10:36:36 AM|| 2004-04-24 10:36:36 AM|| Front Page Top

#17 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]

Posted by Antiwar TROLL 2004-04-24 11:10:02 AM|| 2004-04-24 11:10:02 AM|| Front Page Top

#18 twat huh? OOOOOooooo that hurt. Your sick fantasies are exposed. Why do you even bother coming here? Nobody wants what your selling, whore

Posted by Frank G 2004-04-24 11:15:43 AM|| 2004-04-24 11:15:43 AM|| Front Page Top

#19 Ah, Little (Ideological) Orphan Anti has weighted in with another pronouncement.
Of course they are worse from your perspective, Anti; worse for Saddamites and their supporters and business partners.

Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2004-04-24 11:17:26 AM|| 2004-04-24 11:17:26 AM|| Front Page Top

#20 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]

Posted by Antiwar TROLL 2004-04-24 11:18:03 AM|| 2004-04-24 11:18:03 AM|| Front Page Top

#21 Conditions ARE worse in Iraq

Really?

How many women have fallen victim to the state-run rape squads?

How many children are being held political prisoners?

Antiwar, your sick fantasies are the ones in which the presence of state-run rape squads are better than their absence.

Posted by Robert Crawford 2004-04-24 11:21:08 AM|| [http://www.kloognome.com/] 2004-04-24 11:21:08 AM|| Front Page Top

#22 Come to think of it, conditions were much worse in Berlin in, say, 1946 than they had been under the Hitler regime just 7 years earlier. All the Red Army's fault no doubt. Those evil Bolsheviks bombarded areas where there were civilians and looted all sorts of collective and private property that was not theirs. They were especially ruthless in rooting out German resistance fighters (SS, etc.), whose country it was after all, and whose leader, just like Saddam, had won some elections.

Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2004-04-24 11:29:59 AM|| 2004-04-24 11:29:59 AM|| Front Page Top

#23 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]

Posted by Antiwar TROLL 2004-04-24 11:30:21 AM|| 2004-04-24 11:30:21 AM|| Front Page Top

#24 please,,, I beg you,,,ignore her or she will never go away.

Posted by B 2004-04-24 11:37:39 AM|| 2004-04-24 11:37:39 AM|| Front Page Top

#25 "I can think of no better place to live than somewhere where I am unemployed,homeless(from US air attack)all my family have been killed by a bomb(cluster bomb for example)"

Well, I'll admit that President Kerry was a bit harsh in ordering the MOAB saturation attack against Berkeley, but the Progressive People's Army there had, after all, accused him of being worse than Bush by betraying the Palestinian people and the Franco/Iraqi/Afghan resistance...

Oh, wait. Sorry, I was in clairovyant mode and had moved a year ahead of myself.

Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2004-04-24 11:44:52 AM|| 2004-04-24 11:44:52 AM|| Front Page Top

#26 Hey Antiwar is here allready, the PMS-express is earlie today.

Posted by chinditz 2004-04-24 11:49:17 AM|| [http://srv.fotopages.com/?o=867551&t=2] 2004-04-24 11:49:17 AM|| Front Page Top

#27 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]

Posted by Antiwar TROLL 2004-04-24 11:54:03 AM|| 2004-04-24 11:54:03 AM|| Front Page Top

#28 Ignore the troll! Anti adds nothing and does not carry a reasonable argument. Idiotarian. Bye bye

Posted by Remote Man 2004-04-24 12:07:10 PM|| 2004-04-24 12:07:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#29 Since conformist fruitbats generally believe in such ~~bullshit~~ advanced spiritual concepts as precognition, Auntie will surely have no objection if I share some more News from the Future:

Washington July 7,2007 (NeuReuters) The Kerry Administration continued to win bi-partisan support for its policy of defraying war costs through the sale of television rights to the public executions of fifth columnists and jihadi agents. CBS has bid 1.2 billion dollars for the Chomsky/Zinn double hanging next week and, ironically, Turner Broadcasting reportedly had the winning bid on Ted Turner a week later.
"This policy allows us to provide some much needed relief to the American taxpayers while performing a vital public service," declared Homeland Defense Secretary George Foreman.
Republican Senator Bruce Willis added, "It's good to see our friends on the other side of the aisle finally living up to their promise to provide good, clean, educational television programming for the American people.

Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2004-04-24 12:16:53 PM|| 2004-04-24 12:16:53 PM|| Front Page Top

#30 hi antiwar do you hiaku im learn from recent convert to moohamidism that a joke antiwar here an easy one with no em dash

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Posted by HalfEmpty 2004-04-24 12:54:37 PM|| 2004-04-24 12:54:37 PM|| Front Page Top

#31 The only thing I wish is that those who believe like the Portland Indymedia ALL get to look in the eyes of the Islamo-fascist...the eyes of pure hatred...the eyes of one who will send to the Hell they belong.

Posted by Anonymous 2004-04-24 1:01:11 PM|| 2004-04-24 1:01:11 PM|| Front Page Top

#32 *sigh* Slightly off-topic, but here's a blanket opinion on the "professional" Left:

The Cold War's not over. Not while they're still alive -- Soviet agents, many of them.

Posted by Edward Yee 2004-04-24 1:01:28 PM|| [http://edwardyee.fanworks.net] 2004-04-24 1:01:28 PM|| Front Page Top

#33 Americans are waking up to realize that we have entered a new century and that the problems of the 20th Century are old problems and that the new problems require new thought.

Excluding leftists, of course. They're still stuck in the past.

Chinditz is your real name Evert Visser? Because I checked your fotopages and yours and Evert's are the same.Why do you use two names if it's true?

Two words: who cares?

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2004-04-24 1:30:06 PM|| 2004-04-24 1:30:06 PM|| Front Page Top

#34 Bomb-a-rame: Amen.

Posted by chinditz 2004-04-24 1:57:56 PM|| [http://srv.fotopages.com/?o=867551&t=2] 2004-04-24 1:57:56 PM|| Front Page Top

#35 "Yeah Robert Iraq is a lot better now.I can think of no better place to live than somewhere where I am unemployed,homeless(from US air attack)all my family have been killed by a bomb(cluster bomb for example)(LOTS AND LOTS OF SARCASM)"
And they said that irony was dead after 9/11!
This inane babbling is so ironic on this thread it's almost funny!
Here's Antiwar, who clearly believes every lie the Left peddles to her, including the fact that Pat Tillman was a "dumb jock."
(And why was he dumb? Because he walked away from a lucrative career and celebrity to die for his country and America is Evil!)
I know we try and set her straight every time she posts, but it's all to no avail: Antiwar persists in keeping the "idiot" in idiotarian.
Iraqis unemployed because of the American liberation? Only Saddam and his Baathists were done out of jobs (and now Bremer's putting them back to work.)
Iraqis homeless because of OIF and the use of "cluster bombs?"
Even more doubtful--if we do use "cluster bombs" (and the Left is also convinced they're full of depleted uranium,too!), we did so carefully and I've not heard of countless hordes of Iraqi homeless, but then Antiwar has "eyes" in Iraq, huh?
Any problems of homelessness and unemployment in Iraq were invariably down to Saddam Hussein and not the USA!
AW is one of those hopeless nihilist Lefties that Atomic Conspiracy was referring to when he said that the "hard core" ones might have to be "disposed of" in the near future.
If there is a bipartisan group plotting to do this, I wish they would hurry up and get on with it!
Her posts and NMM's, grounded in their fundamental "America sucks," tin foil hat conspiracy claptrap make me retch!

Posted by Jen 2004-04-24 2:22:40 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com] 2004-04-24 2:22:40 PM|| Front Page Top

#36 That's it. I'm completely pissed now. I try to be civil, but with shit for brains like Antiwar there's no point in trying. Antiwar, go shove a shovel up your twat and shut the fuck up. You never have anything clever to say, or any sound reasoning for the crap that spews from your mouth. At least Murat and NMM give something of a hint of some kind of brain working there, you just rattle your mouth off with the same bullshit over and over. Everyone here has tried to be reasonable with you, but you are getting to be a bore. I've never seen someone as predictable as you. Trying to be nice and see things from all sides, I tagged myseld as Lil Dhimmi. Taking a page from you in going from anonymous to Antiwar, I now pronounce pronounce myself Proud Lil Kuffar. Go put on a Burqua and bow to Mecca you bitch!

Posted by Artist Formerly Known As Lil Dhimmi 2004-04-24 3:04:17 PM|| 2004-04-24 3:04:17 PM|| Front Page Top

#37 Just read the link. Pisses me off. Perhaps they should go live in North Korea or China.

Antiwar - you are an idiot. N'uff said. I suggest that we completely ignore you. Why dont you go live in Iran or Saudi-arabia.

AC - your 'clairvoyance mode' almost makes me want to vote for Kerry if he will MOAB Berkeley :^). Homeland defence secretary George Foreman??? LOL

Posted by Anonymous4493 2004-04-24 5:15:13 PM|| 2004-04-24 5:15:13 PM|| Front Page Top

#38 AC and Carl, the forces of economics take care of evil liars when alternative information sources exist. Talk radio, Fox News and now the net have provided plenty of alternatives to what used to be a media cartel. If they hadn't have, another alternative would have sprung up, because there is always a market for truth. How is Air America doing?

Posted by Super Hose 2004-04-24 5:56:59 PM|| 2004-04-24 5:56:59 PM|| Front Page Top

#39 SH - about Air Amerikkka - we don't know. Their paid listenership's check's haven't cleared, so all six of them are withholding their reviews

Posted by Frank G 2004-04-24 6:06:23 PM|| 2004-04-24 6:06:23 PM|| Front Page Top

#40 Whatever became of that wave of Indymedia failures?

Posted by Korora 2004-04-24 6:39:26 PM|| [http://basementburrow.blogspot.com] 2004-04-24 6:39:26 PM|| Front Page Top

#41 #36, come on PLK, don't hold back, tell us how you really feel about AW. I just hope she's paying attention.

Posted by GK 2004-04-24 10:59:47 PM|| 2004-04-24 10:59:47 PM|| Front Page Top

#42 if I need to clarify AW can bite my RECTUM

Posted by Frank G 2004-04-24 11:06:19 PM|| 2004-04-24 11:06:19 PM|| Front Page Top

#43 You know something? It struck me that, if Antiwar is right about Bush (the Oil Friend conspiracy) and Cheney (the Halliburton conspiracy), then the theories assume that Bush has a sense of loyal frienship so intense, it deserves being written up in an epic similar to the Epic of Gilgamesh. And Cheney is an even rarer bird: a former CEO who remains fanatically loyal to the employees at his former company. I'll have to write an article about it!

Posted by Ptah 2004-04-24 11:09:11 PM|| [http://www.crusaderwarcollege.org] 2004-04-24 11:09:11 PM|| Front Page Top

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