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2004-05-02 Arabia

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Posted by tipper 2004-05-02 11:27:08 AM|| || Front Page|| [8 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Is it now that Westerners are realizing that muslims, in this case Saudis, could not be fought using 20th century concepts? Westerners who have or are still living here and who have never bought into the Arab hospitality shit,have been warning other Westeners about what these people are all about for a while now. We have been called bigots, racists and you name it. For anybody who has ever lived or visited Saudi Arabia, all he/she needed to do to know the depth of sickness of this society, is to observe how minorities (philipinos, Sri Lankas, Hindus.. labor hand) are treated here.

Posted by Anonymous4617 2004-05-02 2:00:09 PM|| 2004-05-02 2:00:09 PM|| Front Page Top

#2 My BS Detector is flashing red...

Okay, let's undo some of the BS in this article:
There are no foreign-owned refineries in Saudi. This is the ARAMCO Yanbu refinery. Exxon-Mobile, at most, is a minor investor -- and I have doubts about them "owning" dick, in fact. Most likely, they have some sort of interest which involves providing the modern plant design and a guarantee that they would provide some percentage of the plant engineers. For this they would be paid - but at most, they are minor players. Pfeh - all "companies" in SA are, at minimum, 51% Saudi owned. Start from there and work your way down, folks.

Second, all ARAMCO facilities are protected by Aramco's own police - the Industrial Security Department. Period. Full Stop. The locals are not even allowed to come onto Aramco property without explicit approval and chaperones. This usually works to the advantage of ExPats since the local yokels are one step removed from goat-herding. If these jackoffs were, indeed, part of some security force, then they worked for IS. Period. Full Stop.

Third, indeed, there is, in Saudi, a very high sentiment in favor of OBL -- most Saudis are poor and see the Royals looting every petrodollar for their own ends. Those who are connected, and it requires connections to get a gig with Aramco, are not. If IS hired these little killers, then some heads will roll for certain. ExPats are very important to the operation of Aramco - to the $$$ that the Royals depend on. And the ROYALS control ARAMCO because ARAMCO makes the MONEY. Forget all the crap about Saudiazation -- any Royal with 2 neurons to rub together knows his countrymen are goat-herding loonies with zero sense and that the ExPats make shit happen while the Saudis are swilling tea and swapping spit. No infidel "journalist" in-Kingdom knows anything not cleared and issued to him by Saudi officials - and in this case, pre-cleared by IS, the only people who really know diddley-squat about what happened on Aramco property. Once they left Aramco's area of control, then it was cleared through Nayef's Security arm of the Interior Ministry.

Some of what is here may have happened as written. Know, however, that what you read here has been pre-filtered by at least 2 separate security operations - and they may have conflicting interests - Nayef is one of the loony Royals and is often in direct conflict with the official head of the Royals, the Clown Prince. And other Royals, such as Turki have their own separate agendas. This shit is byzantine. Believe me, this is not the skinny truth - it is what "they" decided to allow to be known. There could've been 20 bad guys, reduced to 4 cuz that's what they have to show at the end of the action.

In the end - they hate us but need us. But the Roayls love money far more than they hate ExPats.

I feel very sorry for these guys. They were simply regular people who happen to be petro-engineers trying to pay off a mortgage and / or put their kids through college - and foregoing many trappings of modernity, such as living in shitholes and paying through the nose for the privilege, things you take for granted, to do it. Most likely, the majority of these guys have been there, in-Kingdom, for a long time -- long before any of us even had a clue about Islamofascism -- and never dreamed they'd ever be anyone's targets. They probably even thought they had Saudi friends, though that's naive as I found out.

Don't forget: you are 100x better informed than they are in LalaLand, and at least 10x better informed than the guy working at the desk next to you.

Just a little perspective.

Posted by .com 2004-05-02 6:21:52 PM|| 2004-05-02 6:21:52 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 Thank you

Posted by tipper 2004-05-03 11:40:42 AM|| 2004-05-03 11:40:42 AM|| Front Page Top

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