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2004-05-20 Iraq-Jordan

"Sgt Samuel Provance" Blames Intel Officers at Abu Ghraib

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Posted by Mike Sylwester 2004-05-20 8:50:21 AM|| || Front Page|| [3 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 So the network administrator claims that he talked about abuse with someone that may be involved? Good enough for me lets run with it! Wow the threshhold of 'facts' has really become blurred in the media. When I was a Sgt in the military I RARELY had discussions with the commanding general on how my superiors were performing. Seems that this Sgt was well 'connected' indeed! BTW I also have some 'land' in Florida that I want unload sell to you.

Posted by Cyber Sarge 2004-05-20 9:02:34 AM|| 2004-05-20 9:02:34 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Yeah Sarge, not too many MGen's I know interview field grade officers let alone a Sergeant. Maybe he meant a member of his staff or something. However, I am concerned that there could be a kernel of truth here. If intel was involved they need to come clean, everyone in the chain up to the Battalion commander needs to be properly looked at & that's as far as I'd go. These guys were wrong in their deeds but we cannot afford to scapegoat any youngsters - I've seen that happen a few times in my career and it's repugnant.

Posted by Jarhead 2004-05-20 9:15:04 AM|| 2004-05-20 9:15:04 AM|| Front Page Top

#3
Good enough for me lets run with it! Wow the threshhold of 'facts' has really become blurred in the media.

This accusation supplements much previous reporting.
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Posted by Mike Sylwester 2004-05-20 9:28:27 AM|| 2004-05-20 9:28:27 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 Also, the source has publicly identified himself and speaks on the record.

Posted by Mike Sylwester 2004-05-20 9:53:04 AM|| 2004-05-20 9:53:04 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 No doubt that things happened in Abul Grab-Ass prison. I don't think Sgt. Samuel Provance added a single fact into that arena. I still think it's a BIG stretch that one General was critical of another in the presence of enlisted or even other officers. This just isnât done in the military at least not in todayâs professional military. They teach you NOT to do this in NCO and Officer Schools because it breaks down discipline. Maybe he heard something from someone who heard something but it sounds like rumors and innuendo from someone who wants his name in the paper. Notice that Sgt Provance was NOT the one that turned in the bad guys. That should tell you something.

Posted by Cyber Sarge (VRWC CA Chapter) 2004-05-20 11:00:05 AM|| 2004-05-20 11:00:05 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 Might as well admit some in intel can be weird wannabe "men-in-black" cowboys, who consider themselves "elite" and above the law. The 205th MIB should go ahead and comment, because even if they're not, it sure looks like they're covering ass. Besides, what if intel said to "soften" the prisoners, then the trailer trash brigade went too far-- doing what they do (or would like to do, but can't) on their regular jobs in US prisons? Provance says intel was "in control setting conditions for interrogations, and having MPs wake the detainees every hour, and limiting their food," but he doesn't say they ordered nude foot-in-the-butt pyramids, etc. And I'm sure intel didn't order England and her boyfriend to have candlelight "sex" in front of the prisoners, and then film it, right?

Anyway, I bet everyone's afraid of the CIC, and they should be. I agree with Jarhead, that the underlings shouldn't be punished for the crimes of their superiors.

Hopefully the truth will come out and the Dems will quit trying to use the scandal as ammo for the election and against the WOT.

Posted by ex-lib 2004-05-20 11:02:15 AM|| 2004-05-20 11:02:15 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 Provance was part of that military intelligence operation but was not an interrogator. He said he administered a secret computer network at Abu Ghraib for about six months and did not witness abuse.

An I.T. guy that heard second hand descriptions? Yeah, he's on the record OK, but his whole thing of yapping to ABC seems fishy to me. Again I ask. Where's his hidden Kerry button? As a techie and not a fighting person, he has too much time to think over there. Look, I am an I.T. person, I support GWB, but I know a lot of I.T. persons who don't.

Posted by BigEd 2004-05-20 11:07:23 AM|| 2004-05-20 11:07:23 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 Right on, BigEd. About the Kerry button. I think that's definitely a possibility. As an ex-liberal, I can tell you they will stop at nothing to get their people elected. The end justifies the means, and that's the bottom line with them. They believe playing fair is playing stupid, and they are intent on playing to win.

Posted by ex-lib 2004-05-20 12:07:52 PM|| 2004-05-20 12:07:52 PM|| Front Page Top

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