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2005-07-30 Europe
Dutch Citizen Accused of Crimes in Iraq
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Posted by Fred 2005-07-30 00:00|| || Front Page|| [3 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 Koppe is the Dutch Ummah's go-to lawyer. I still want to know who is paying his bills.
Posted by Seafarious">Seafarious  2005-07-30 00:55||   2005-07-30 00:55|| Front Page Top

#2 I wouldn't worry about it too much, Seafarious. Were you nabbed -- I'm assuming you are a guy, thus nabbable in most US jurisdictions-- you'd want an unapolgetic defender like Koppe.

To my mind, Holland and the USA are kindred countries, both making promising attempts at arriving at real tolerance in an imperfect world. Others try - Britain and Italy, to take two examples -- but the mask of tolerance often conceals the ancient desire of local elites and would-be elites to be patrons. In Holland and America it is possible to think, if impolitic to assert, that one's children should prepare for a world in which immigrants are their equals.

What Americans often don't get, until it concerns their persons or loved ones, is that the point of America is to allow everyone to fight it out on the basis of agreed-upon rules . Gay-atheist-dopesmoking-greyhaired-ponytailed-apologist for genocide - defense attorneys are not the problem. They are the canary in the mine, almost as wierd as the rest of us. Once the bird expires, our bowhunting, handgun soirees, gundog training, and roughshooting are next.

To my way of thinking, the tasty bit of this story is the hell it should raise in Holland.

Two cents, less: worth less probably than the paper it's not printed on.
Posted by anon and want to stay that way 2005-07-30 03:40||   2005-07-30 03:40|| Front Page Top

#3 anon and want to stay that way

Too many assumptions, including that Seafarious is a guy.

I like the idea of arriving at tolerance in an imperfect world, but I believe you’re wrong if you think that can be based on anything other than universal moral absolutes. When you say, “the point of America is to allow everyone to fight it out on the basis of agreed-upon rules,” it strikes me that you are promoting Utilitarianism and social deconstructionism.

In my book, the deconstruction of socio-emotional cognitive concepts and schemas, and the traditions and mores honored worldwide and cross-culturally over millennia, is not a good thing. It was not deconstructionism that resulted in the Reformation, in Abolition, or in Suffrage. Those redresses of societal ills all came from a bedrock of Natural Law belief.

That said, I do think this scum should be given a robust and strong legal defense (sorry, it’s an occupational hazard). The defense we give the worst of us primes the system for when innocents someday get caught up in it. Then, after that defense, the scum should be taken out and shot -- after being drug through the streets.

P.S. If the lawyer has been less than candid -- as opposed to simply doing what criminal defense attorneys do -- then he should go down, too.
Posted by cingold 2005-07-30 03:59||   2005-07-30 03:59|| Front Page Top

#4 I strongly suspect that attempting to nab Seafarious would not be a good idea in any jurisdiction, regardless which chromosome set she carries. ;-)
Posted by trailing wife 2005-07-30 13:03||   2005-07-30 13:03|| Front Page Top

#5 There are many more of those around in the Lowlands...The video which shows this GI being sniped down on his bullet proof vest....also 2 Dutch speaking arabs on the video......
Posted by Dutchgeek 2005-07-30 15:56||   2005-07-30 15:56|| Front Page Top

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