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2005-08-01 Terror Networks & Islam

Fanatics around the world dream of the Caliph's return

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Posted by tipper 2005-08-01 03:50|| || Front Page|| [2 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 A good read. I primer on the simpler aspects.

Posted by Sock Puppet 0â Doom 2005-08-01 04:24|| 2005-08-01 04:24|| Front Page Top

#2 It was not until the 1970s that Islamists came to the fore through a combination of factors: Israel's defeat of Arab armies in 1967 which broke the prestige of Arab nationalists; Saudi Arabia's petro-dollars which gave Islamists the means to proselytise around the Muslim world; and Ayatollah Khomeini's Islamic revolution which overthrew the Shah of Iran in 1979.

One of those actions coincides with a person recently embarrassed by the Guantanamo detention center. In the middle of fueling the problem in 1979, and complaining about one of the trivial consequences in 2005, is a peanut farmer, who did serve his country well while in the Navy.

Posted by Bobby 2005-08-01 08:02|| 2005-08-01 08:02|| Front Page Top

#3 "Our nation has been tasting this humiliation and contempt for more than 80 years"

And with the efforts of the past 4 years I'm sure it will continue for a long time to come. Nice to know some of your neighbors have grandiose plan for you eh?!

Posted by MunkarKat 2005-08-01 08:06|| 2005-08-01 08:06|| Front Page Top

#4 They want an Islamic state? There is one, between Iraq and Afghanistan. Mebbe they doan like their neighbors?

Posted by Bobby 2005-08-01 08:07|| 2005-08-01 08:07|| Front Page Top

#5 a peanut farmer, who did serve his country well while in the Navy.

From things some posters have said on the subject, bobby, it seems to me that sentence should read, a peanut farmer, who did serve his country ~~well~~ while in the Navy. A shame, too, we should be able to be proud of all who wore the uniform.

Posted by trailing wife 2005-08-01 10:10|| 2005-08-01 10:10|| Front Page Top

#6 If they wanted an Islamic state they went about it the wrong way. RJ's Three step plan This should have been done instead of 9/11.

(1) Do not threaten Israel, befriend Israel, at least for now. Befriend the US. The goal is to take over the Islamic states (and oil) not to get crushed like a bug. Instead make the west very comfortable as you increase immigration. Try to guide Islamic Immigration into the most dangerous nations like France and England. The Nordic countries will bend over when the time comes so use them as a stepping stone but not final location. Win in Europe demographically.

(2) Take over the Egyptian government from within. Use everything you can to take them down including NGOs in the west complaining about US support of a dictator, power of the people, etc. When Egypt is taken make sure Israel feels safe by pulling troops away from their border. Go after the Sudan in order to stop the civil war and bloodshed and get their oil (and get practice). The libs would love you for it because you're not a colonial white power and you'd stop the bloodshed they were unwilling to stop. Follow that up with an invasion of Libya, use whatever pretext would make the Americans happy but domestically use the United Arab Republic line. Take their oil and WMD program. Now you are a player and the West still has no idea you are an enemy.

(3) Subvert Pakistan. They were close to falling before they flipped because of Sept 11. Keep working on Pakistan. Keep up a low-level insurgency in Kashmir to help radicalize the area.

If they'd done this the bad guys would have had two major bases of operation, the Western one with oil, the eastern one with nukes and NATO would be wasting their time keeping Saddam in a box while Islamic immigration continued into Europe.

Bin Laden certainly was no tactician.

Posted by rjschwarz 2005-08-01 10:26|| 2005-08-01 10:26|| Front Page Top

#7 We should never marginalize anyone's service to their country unless they've been dishonorably discharged, or disapplined in such away it shows that they weren't worthy of the uniform. Many asshat's have served. John F'in Kerry, case in point.
I used to think Jimmuh was decent but hopelessly misguided. My view has changed sustantially after the past 20 years of shameless attention whoring and putting more faith in international organizations than his own country.

Posted by JerseyMike 2005-08-01 10:27|| 2005-08-01 10:27|| Front Page Top

#8 The corollary was that Muslims who did not subscribe to Qutb's notion of an Islamist "vanguard" could be declared unbelievers, or kafir. Qutb was executed before fully elaborating his theory, but it has been seized upon by extreme jihadis to justify killing innocent Muslims.

goddam bisquit folowers.

Posted by muck4doo 2005-08-01 10:31|| http://meatismurder.blogspot.com/]">[http://meatismurder.blogspot.com/] 2005-08-01 10:31|| Front Page Top

#9 I know, JerseyMike. But not all who put on the uniform are good at what they try to do. Imagine what a cock-up I'd make if I tried to be a Marine! Although I would try very hard, and probably everyone would feel sorry for me when they let me go.

Posted by trailing wife 2005-08-01 10:37|| 2005-08-01 10:37|| Front Page Top

#10 Caliph?

Prince Ali! Fabulous he! Ali Ababwa

Make Way for Prince Ali!

Posted by BigEd 2005-08-01 11:50|| 2005-08-01 11:50|| Front Page Top

#11 Speaking as a fellow former submariner, Jimmy Carter's service record was honorable and admirable. End of story.

Posted by Zpaz 2005-08-01 12:09|| 2005-08-01 12:09|| Front Page Top

#12 My apologies to Mr. Carter then, Zpaz.

Posted by trailing wife 2005-08-01 15:07|| 2005-08-01 15:07|| Front Page Top

#13 Big Ed, I hate to break it to you but the monkey was the brains of the outfit. Prince Ali Ababwa was a figurehead.

Posted by rjschwarz 2005-08-01 15:37|| 2005-08-01 15:37|| Front Page Top

#14 rj - Exactly! Usually the monkeys do run the show with the Caliphs as figueheads....

Posted by BigEd 2005-08-01 20:48|| 2005-08-01 20:48|| Front Page Top

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