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2005-08-31 Israel-Palestine

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Posted by Anonymoose 2005-08-31 00:00|| || Front Page|| [1 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Hmmm,ya know moose I don't recall the Isralies ever asking or demanding anybody to convert to Judisam,now the Muslems,on the other hand,do make this demand.

Posted by raptor 2005-08-31 08:46|| 2005-08-31 08:46|| Front Page Top

#2 Anonymoose,

You may also have an argument on the 'Jews and the secular' part. A lot of the haredi are against anything secular (e.g., bus service on the sabbath).

Posted by mhw 2005-08-31 08:53|| 2005-08-31 08:53|| Front Page Top

#3 Conversion of Arabs isn't impossible, just unlikely. Forced conversion won't happen.

As far as secularism goes, there is a mood that Israel could have a de jure split between the secular Jews and the Orthodox, reminiscent of the Israel-Judea split in the ancient world. But this is just talk, as even the Orthodox know that they could not sustain an economy left to their own devices. The secular Jews really run the place. The Orthodox make out by power brokering between the political left and the right and receive huge government subsidies.

But there is such tremendous factionalism among the Orthodox that it's not even funny. The Lubavitcher sect, one of the largest, doesn't even believe that Israel can exist until the Messiah shows up. The great majority plan to stay in the US until some Rebbe is declared, then mass-migrate to Israel to proclaim it Israel.

Other Orthodox sects exclude any other sect, and stay in ghettos in Israel. They throw rocks at any outsider who ventures in to their 'hood.

There are dozens of kashrut (kosher food) organizations in both the US and Israel, and many of the Orthodox will not eat non-naturally kosher food from other than their own organization.

These are not strengths. It also means that any temporary gains the Orthodox get from the secular will be eroded away over time. All told, an odd balance is maintained: the secular are envious of the piety of the Orthodox; the Orthodox are envious of the prosperity and freedom of the secular.

Posted by Anonymoose 2005-08-31 20:42|| 2005-08-31 20:42|| Front Page Top

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