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Democratic Underground's Response To Pleas For Help.....

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Posted by Mike Kozlowski 2005-09-02 07:43|| || Front Page|| [3 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Thanks for weighing in Mayor Nagin...

Posted by tu3031 2005-09-02 08:30|| 2005-09-02 08:30|| Front Page Top

#2 Has this fool had it shots?

Posted by Sock Puppet OÂ´ Doom 2005-09-02 08:34|| 2005-09-02 08:34|| Front Page Top

#3 Dan,I wish I could comment on that sight.

Posted by raptor 2005-09-02 08:36|| 2005-09-02 08:36|| Front Page Top

#4 damn not dan

Posted by raptor 2005-09-02 08:39|| 2005-09-02 08:39|| Front Page Top

#5 We hate you, we think you are a piece of shit, so now give us aid because you owe it to us.

Posted by Chris W. 2005-09-02 09:15|| 2005-09-02 09:15|| Front Page Top

#6 Thanks for weighing in Mayor Nagin...

I heard that guy's comments on the tube this morning. Absolutely amazing. He criticizes the feds for what he sees as an inadequate response (hey, it's the government - what did you expect?) and yet his police department can't get their act together.

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2005-09-02 09:46|| 2005-09-02 09:46|| Front Page Top

#7 Mayor Nagin and the governers are in deep shit. Emergancy responce plans and disaster relief are planned at the local and county (sometimes state) level. This is where FEMA and other federal agencies start off, basing their responce and help on the exsitising state and local plans. The feds do not plan evacuations (except on multiple state levels) and do not release aid until asked for by the state governers. Bush has done all he can and has done more than was required by declaring the area a disaster BEFORE the hurricane hit. Other than that, it isn't up to him to do anything since it is in FEMA's and the other state agency's hands. All the lack of planning and early lack of responce for help can be put SQUARELY on the mayor and governer.
Bush has kinda become a god to the LLL and the MSM. Anything that happens is his fault, kinda like Loki for the vikings. Never mind the fact he is one man working in a federal system with checks and balances. Blame Bush, it is fault somehow. The LLL and the MSM need some meds....

Or need to be shot like the rabid dogs they are.

Posted by mmurray821 2005-09-02 09:59|| 2005-09-02 09:59|| Front Page Top

#8 I don't agree with the DU posters, but I agree that the response has been lacking.

Posted by Cyber Sarge">Cyber Sarge 2005-09-02 10:20|| 2005-09-02 10:20|| Front Page Top

#9 CS: I don't agree with the DU posters, but I agree that the response has been lacking.

This is a state, not a Federal, problem. New Orleans got the politicians it deserved. If city officials cannot get off their butts and start killing looters by the dozens, nothing will get done.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2005-09-02 11:13|| http://timurileng.blogspot.com]">[http://timurileng.blogspot.com] 2005-09-02 11:13|| Front Page Top

#10 If I was a cynical bastard and didn't have (limited) experience with the NO and LA governments, I'd have said their emergency plans were: "let the federal government handle it".

Thank goodness I'm not a cynical bastard.

Posted by Pappy 2005-09-02 11:30|| 2005-09-02 11:30|| Front Page Top

#11 Pappy, your "cynical bastard" bit is naive.

The real plan was "screw up the relief effort and have something to blame on the President."

Posted by Abdominal Snowman 2005-09-02 12:04|| 2005-09-02 12:04|| Front Page Top

#12 I watched the Louisana governor's race, between Blanco and B. Jindall, I actually remember reading an article that stated "some were not endorsing Jindall because he was too educated." God forbid a highly educated person runs a state. You morons in La elected whom you wanted, now they led you into a coffin with a unmarked grave. You Demoncratic Gov, Sen, and Mayor have ALL let you down into the grave. Blaming Bush is not going to wash for long. Bush didn't appoint your politicians. Again, next time you morons need to take your elections a little bit more seriously.

Your Dem. black leaders have led you slowly into HELL. If your Dem. black leaders love you so much, why are they showing up on the 4th/5th day and in Houston, not the affected area. Get rid of the ~~lice~~ Dem. blk. ldr's in your hair and stop blaming the Bush Admin.

Stop blaming Bush for the killing, looting, 4th grade reading level, drug addiction, raping, etc. Buy a mirror with your welfare checks and look at yourself.

That being said, has I have stated before, FEMA and CDC is an utter joke.

Posted by Poison Reverse 2005-09-02 12:25|| 2005-09-02 12:25|| Front Page Top

#13 This clocks zero on my surprise meter. Liberals aren't actually generous people. Their generosity consists mostly of virtuous thoughts and getting other people to pay for their pet projects via government tax dollars.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2005-09-02 12:34|| http://timurileng.blogspot.com]">[http://timurileng.blogspot.com] 2005-09-02 12:34|| Front Page Top

#14 I will admit what I know about relief efforts could be written on the head of a pin, but I really think they (FEMA) could do a little better at re-supplying and relocating the people that are located at refugee centers. At the VERY least they could air lift in water and food to the people who need it. Also the Gov gave the âshoot to killâ order a couple of days late. If we could drop MREs in an Afghanistan village I am certain we could hit the Superdome in one or two tries. I also think that a LOT of the blame should fall on the local city government that basically sat on their butts and let things descend into chaos. I think this is turning into a big shit sandwich and I think everyone is going to take a bite.

Posted by Cyber Sarge">Cyber Sarge 2005-09-02 12:50|| 2005-09-02 12:50|| Front Page Top

#15 I am not yet convinced the relief effort is going all that poorly. From what I see, a boatload of people who live on low ground, in hurricanes way every year, decided to not evacuate for a number of reasons. The numbers now being kicked around are 200,000+ made a critically flawed decision to ride it out. These people are consuming 90% of all resources just trying to maintain law and order.
Every disaster preparedness model I have seen says be prepared for no services for a minimum of 72 hours. The services arriving today are right about on schedule in terms of earthquakes and other natural disasters.
Does anyone else think that a dirty bomb going off in a major city is going to make this disaster recovery look well executed?

Posted by Capsu 78 2005-09-02 13:51|| 2005-09-02 13:51|| Front Page Top

#16 A couple of points:

1) the MSM and the liberal blogs are working VERY hard to make this the "Bush Disaster."

2) putting FEMA into the DHS was a bad idea, and some of the political appointees to FEMA weren't very good. This is one part of the government that shouldn't be politicized heavily. Get the technocrats in charge. Fix the communications between states and the feds.

3) the disaster is a warning for our infrastructure everywhere. People are complaining that the Army Corps of Engineers were under-funded for NO, even though the levees that failed were ones that weren't expected to fail. The lesson does hold, however: every city has vulnerabilities (as we in Chicago learned a few years back with our flood), and every city needs to harden and fix its infrastructure. This is one point that the Bush people had better seize on and make their own. Hugh Hewitt suggests putting a enter for the Study of Mass Casualty Events at Tulane, when it's rebuilt.

We're going to need to spend some tax dollars on infrastruture hardening, and both parties had better be up to it.

Posted by Steve White">Steve White 2005-09-02 14:01|| 2005-09-02 14:01|| Front Page Top

#17 Destroy the DU infidels!

Posted by Captain America 2005-09-02 14:39|| 2005-09-02 14:39|| Front Page Top

#18 3) the disaster is a warning for our infrastructure everywhere. People are complaining that the Army Corps of Engineers were under-funded for NO, even though the levees that failed were ones that weren't expected to fail. The lesson does hold, however: every city has vulnerabilities (as we in Chicago learned a few years back with our flood), and every city needs to harden and fix its infrastructure. This is one point that the Bush people had better seize on and make their own. Hugh Hewitt suggests putting a enter for the Study of Mass Casualty Events at Tulane, when it's rebuilt.

Yah, Chicago. The city where the rivers flood down and the bridges fall up. And don't laugh, I'm serious.

The rivers flood down refers to when a pile driver drove a pile into the old freight tunnels under downtown and flooded a lot of basements in the Loop

The bridges fall up refers to when the State St (?) draw bridge was being redecked and the retraining pins failed and the counterweights swung down opening one side of the bridge. Threw a welding rig about a block down State. Can anyone say Trebuchet

Posted by Cheaderhead 2005-09-02 15:36|| 2005-09-02 15:36|| Front Page Top

#19 Being an engineer, and an EPA employee (who knows people on the way to Miss. coast), let me say as others have said. This was NOT the failure of the Feds! FEMA typically deploys their folks/supplies as close as possible (within safe range) before/during the storm. Our southeast EPA office is in Atlanta. Guy I know got all the way to Jackson, MS by Wed., but got stuck because of the gas situation (he said Jackson gas stations were already 50% out of gas and the other 50% still didn't have power to pump gas). Something as small as gas (not to mention pretty much NO easy way in to N.O. from the east via roads) forced him to sit in Jackson for 2-3 days. I imagine N.O. is even worse. They probably now won't let anyone in, except N.G. troops/Health experts. Then, you add all the local thugs looting, raping and pillaging, causing N.O. cops to stop looking for survivors and have to deal with them, and I pretty much blame the locals (even the citizens themselves in some cases, for looting), and maybe even the State. Fed. employees (w/ maybe the exception of more local N.G. troops) have to travel 100's if not 1,000's of miles to get there. Heck, it would take me (from Atlanta) a good 8-9 hours on a good day to get to N.O. Throw water/bridges out in the way and you add maybe a day or two to get there. Except the military/N.G. and maybe FEMA, not many Fed. agencies actually have the vehicles to deal with just getting there/much less now having lack of gas on the way down there. Of course, I'm now finding out a lot of the "lack of gas" here in Atlanta was mental. Got another buddy who left last night and made it to Mobile, AL early this morning. He said there is gas down there, but the lines to get it are VERY long. Stations in ATL are now completely out of gas, but the supply line is now opening up, so a few days from now, we should be up and running. Rant over, but the Demo Underground idiots need to STFU for now! Again, knowing the corruption/idiocy of the local and State gov'ts in N.O./LA, I don't doubt this happened b/c of them.

Posted by BA 2005-09-02 16:27|| 2005-09-02 16:27|| Front Page Top

#20 Cheaderhead wrote: Can anyone say Trebuchet?
I'm torn between treb-yoo-shay (French-like) and tree-bucket (Merkin-like).

I might be wrong on both counts.

hile REAL Humans, BABIES, OLD, SICK PEOPLE DIE like FLIES without even delivering WATER to them?
But enough about Terri Schiavo...

Posted by eLarson 2005-09-02 16:42|| http://larsonian.blogspot.com]">[http://larsonian.blogspot.com] 2005-09-02 16:42|| Front Page Top

#21 I have been watching Geraldo losing his mind all evening. Unfortunately when one focus on individual situations, each case is heartbreaking. I hardly expect him to be interviewing folks who are just OK.

The problem with relief delivery is that it needs to be measured to the crisis. Delivering too few bottles of water to a crowd is asking for trouble. Therefore it takes time to ensure that the response is massive enough to meet the whole need.

Ultimately each one of us is responsible for a contigency plan for ourselves and loved ones.

Posted by john">john 2005-09-02 21:54|| 2005-09-02 21:54|| Front Page Top

#22 " I will admit what I know about relief efforts could be written on the head of a pin, but I really think they (FEMA) could do a little better at re-supplying and relocating the people that are located at refugee centers."

You are right! You don't know anything. So, either shutup, or quit your job and apply with FEMA or the SBA and work 100 hours a week non-stop for the next 12 months. Then, THEN, you might actually know something and be entitled to comment.

That goes for the rest of you armcahair disaster response mavens.

Homer

Posted by Homer 2005-09-02 23:38|| 2005-09-02 23:38|| Front Page Top

#23 Homer, baby, you're not helping yourself. son.

You have something of import, some insight with FACTS you can impart to educate? Fine & dandy - share them and be welcomed.

This is an open forum. To whack a man for being honest is low. Why don't you prove your worth before you go bombs away, eh?

Since you haven't proven anything, thus far, other than you're at least moderately bigoted (on another thread) and quick on the draw, let me say, with all sincerity, go fuck yourself.

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