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2005-12-16 Home Front: WoT

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Posted by muck4doo 2005-12-16 12:34|| || Front Page|| [3 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 I don't know what's worse, Dem's treasonous whine or Pub's lack of spine.

'Scuse me while I puke.

Posted by Hyper">Hyper 2005-12-16 13:35|| 2005-12-16 13:35|| Front Page Top

#2 Some people are just too stupid to be given any kind of power. Russ Feingold has proven time and again he fits that description. This man is an assault to public integrity.

Posted by Old Patriot">Old Patriot 2005-12-16 13:40|| http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]">[http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/] 2005-12-16 13:40|| Front Page Top

#3 Um, only the new Patriot Act add-ons were shot down. The Patriot Act as it is now will probably be given renewal.

Posted by Rafael 2005-12-16 13:58|| 2005-12-16 13:58|| Front Page Top

#4 "Feingold, Craig and other critics said those efforts weren't enough, and have called for the law to be extended in its present form so they can continue to try and add more civil liberties safeguards."

It's being spinned though as a major defeat for Bush, as if the entire Act was thrown out.

Posted by Rafael 2005-12-16 14:00|| 2005-12-16 14:00|| Front Page Top

#5 When the Second Shoe drops -- Jamie Gorelick's Wall of Separation comes back in full force on January 1, 2006 -- we will know who to hold accountable.

P.S. John McCain sucks.

Posted by The Happy Fliegerabwehrkanonen 2005-12-16 14:01|| http://www.calderonswirbelwind.blogspot.com]">[http://www.calderonswirbelwind.blogspot.com] 2005-12-16 14:01|| Front Page Top

#6 John McCain likes the media too much - kind of like Slick Willie. I will not vote to give the presidency to another man who needs it as therapy.

Posted by SR-71">SR-71 2005-12-16 14:11|| 2005-12-16 14:11|| Front Page Top

#7 I presume one of the measures that was denied today was the "Combat Meth" provision. I'm glad it went down.

Posted by Seafarious">Seafarious 2005-12-16 14:49|| 2005-12-16 14:49|| Front Page Top

#8 From the heinous AP.

(AP) -- Sixteen provisions of the USA Patriot Act expire December 31 if not renewed by Congress:

Section 201: Gives federal officials the authority to intercept wire, spoken and electronic communications relating to terrorism.

Section 202: Gives federal officials the authority to intercept wire, spoken and electronic communications relating to computer fraud and abuse offenses.

Subsection 203(b): Permits the sharing of grand jury information that involves foreign intelligence or counterintelligence with federal law enforcement, intelligence, protective, immigration, national defense or national security officials

Subsection 203(d): Gives foreign intelligence or counterintelligence officers the ability to share foreign intelligence information obtained as part of a criminal investigation with law enforcement.

Section 204: Makes clear that nothing in the law regarding pen registers -- an electronic device which records all numbers dialed from a particular phone line -- stops the government's ability to obtain foreign intelligence information.

Section 206: Allows federal officials to issue roving "John Doe" wiretaps for spy and anti-terrorism investigations.

Section 207: Increases the amount of time that federal officials may watch people they suspect are spies or terrorists.

Section 209: Permits the seizure of voicemail messages under a warrant.

Section 212: Permits Internet service providers and other electronic communication and remote computing service providers to hand over records and e-mails to federal officials in emergency situations.

Section 214: Allows use of a pen register or trap and trace devices -- a device that records the originating phone numbers of all incoming calls on a particular phone line -- in international terrorism or spy investigations.

Section 215: Authorizes federal officials to obtain "tangible items" like business records, including those from libraries and bookstores, for foreign intelligence and international terrorism investigations.

Section 217: Makes it lawful to intercept the wire or electronic communication of a computer hacker or intruder in certain circumstances.

Section 218: Allows federal officials to wiretap or watch suspects if foreign intelligence gathering is a "significant purpose" for seeking a Federal Intelligence Surveillance Act order. The pre-Patriot Act standard said officials could ask for the surveillance only if it was "the" sole or main purpose.

Section 220: Provides for nationwide service of search warrants for electronic evidence.

Section 223: Amends the federal criminal code to provide for administrative discipline of federal officers or employees who violate prohibitions against unauthorized disclosures of information gathered under this act.

Section 225: Amends FISA to prohibit lawsuits against people or companies that provide information to federal officials for a terrorism investigation.

Nah. Nothing to see here.

Posted by Hyper">Hyper 2005-12-16 14:55|| 2005-12-16 14:55|| Front Page Top

#9 Subhead:
Sleeper Cells, Big Media Rejoice

So much for "connecting" the dots and such.

Posted by eLarson 2005-12-16 15:13|| http://larsonian.blogspot.com]">[http://larsonian.blogspot.com] 2005-12-16 15:13|| Front Page Top

#10 Rafael, I think the original Patriot Act had a 5 year life. By not renewing it, it effectively dies until the next mega atrocity.

Posted by ed 2005-12-16 15:24|| 2005-12-16 15:24|| Front Page Top

#11 but they dont want to not renew it, they want to remove some provisions, thats why Craig, Feingold et al asked for a temp extension, so it stays in place till a compromise is reached.

Posted by liberalhawk 2005-12-16 16:18|| 2005-12-16 16:18|| Front Page Top

#12 The donks are fucking pukes in tandem with the NY Slimes, who represents the donks public relations dept.

What good does three months do? What a joke, a bad one security wise.

Posted by Captain America 2005-12-16 16:27|| 2005-12-16 16:27|| Front Page Top

#13 I'm with LH on this one. I don't like certain parts of the Patriot Act, and I've seen it, in general, as much as a power grab by bureauocrats as anti-terrorism.

Some parts of PA we need. But adding nonsense like the crystal meth provision causes me to see the PA with considerable skepticism. I'd prefer a more narrowly drawn extension and hope that now Congress will do just that.

Posted by Steve White">Steve White 2005-12-16 16:55|| 2005-12-16 16:55|| Front Page Top

#14 Fox expert just confirmed (in his humble opinion)that this is a leak from inside, designed to damage the President and the WOT. Ya think?

Posted by Bobby 2005-12-16 17:10|| 2005-12-16 17:10|| Front Page Top

#15 hard to believe, but I'm with LH as well. The Meth/drug add-ons have no place in a terror bill, and should be able to stand on their own....we just won't have any cold meds ever again OTC

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2005-12-16 17:11|| 2005-12-16 17:11|| Front Page Top

#16 The defeat of the Patriot Act was due to the Democratic Party in the United States of America aligning themselves with the Council of Islamic Relations. (CAIR)

Posted by RG 2005-12-16 20:26|| 2005-12-16 20:26|| Front Page Top

#17 Link, please, RG? Thanks!

Posted by trailing wife 2005-12-16 21:03|| 2005-12-16 21:03|| Front Page Top

#18 Council of Islamic Relations (CAIR) set up a blog specifically to target the Patriot Act, the Act they said was cowardly in itself for existing. The blog provided information on how to contact and exert pressure on each representative.

It also provides extensive event by event coverage of everything happening on the floor of congress regarding the patriot act.

There are other sources that are now discussing the effectiveness of CAIR's campaign against the Patriot Act via thier contacts with the Democratic Party.

http://cairpatriotact.blogspot.com/2005/12/exclusive-former-amnesty-international.html

Posted by RG 2005-12-16 21:52|| 2005-12-16 21:52|| Front Page Top

#19 No need to melt down over this just yet. Frist voted with the Dems to preserve his right to reintroduce the issue. The current theory is that the House will call for adjournment, Frist will throw down the gauntlet saying the the Dems, "You're not getting 30 days to dither, either approve the extension or take responsibility for the Act's sunset on 1/1/06," and the Dems will fall meekly in line because, despite their posturing, they *really* want no part of the blame for the next major attack that could have been prevented. We shall see.

Posted by AzCat 2005-12-16 22:44|| 2005-12-16 22:44|| Front Page Top

#20 I used to laugh at my father when he would rant about the world situation. He used to say, "I got so mad when I watched the news that I had to go buy another case of amunition."

Hm...

Posted by SR-71">SR-71 2005-12-16 23:20|| 2005-12-16 23:20|| Front Page Top

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