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2006-02-18 Europe

Le Pen to strike deal with French Muslims

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Posted by Dan Darling 2006-02-18 02:04|| || Front Page|| [3 views since 2007-05-07] Top

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Posted by trailing wife 2006-02-18 04:47|| 2006-02-18 04:47|| Front Page Top

#2 At first view, this might seems unlikely, but...

Pépé Le Pen is traditional french far right, he has a real antisemite streak I believe, though he's certainly ot a nazi, and might even be justified in some way (he's been the Bête Noire of most of the official jewish orgs, who saw him as Hitler reincarnated); still many jews will vote for him for (quite realistical) fear of the rapid islamization of the country.
On the other hand, he's not as much anti-islam as one might think; ok, he talks about the islamization of France, about the real colonialist attitude of the migrants, about the predatory ways of the "youths", and the vast majority of his electorate are not fascisti, but plain people, often working class french citizens abandoned by the elites pandering to the special interest lobbies, who are fed up with the corruption, the ineptness, and the laxism of France's perpetual ruling class.
But, he has ties with some unsavory characters such as the swiss converted neonazi Ahmed Hubert, the late François Genoud, he is a Saddam admirer and had ties with his regime,... his anti-americanism is real, and he's quite opposed to an attack against Iran, for example, I heard him talk about that recently on the radio; he thinks the ramadan riots in november were neither religious nor ethnic; JF Martinez, the FN thinker has made some declarations and published a book that clearly leans toward the antiglobo left (even praising the french rappers as heralds of the french language, glups!).

In that regard, an "alliance" with the muslims is quite possible; after all, many muslim already vote for him, either because they're harkis (pro-France algerians during Algeria war), because they wish to dissociate themselves from the troublemakers in their "communities", or because they see Pépé Le Pen as anti-jew.
The "racist" FN is actually the only french party which has long held muslim candidates in eligible positions, and some islamists actually come from it.
His FN party is a conglomerate of various factions, many of which were purged in the past, and while I have no doubt his electors are decent "angry white males" whom I respect, JMLP is more dubious in my eyes. I enjoy the character, the great oratory (though he's getting quite old, 78, and it shows), the "right wing anarchist" who sometimes throws a monkey wrench in the machinery,... but I'm wary of the pol.
Plus, the FN long has been a de facto tool of the ruling elite, the "antithesis" to their "thesis" ("vote for us, or you'll get Le Pen, who is the Devil, elected", "don't even think about talking about immigration, it is playing in the hand of Le Pen, who is the Devil"). In 2002, when he got to the second turn of the presidential election, I was very, very amused, and almost voted for him as I was scandalized and sickened by the INSANE, UNDEMOCRATIC, IRRATIONAL two weeks of propaganda against him at the time.

I don't know, perhaps it would have been better if he had been elected (not a snowball chance in hell, though), since the System(tm), the french oligarchy would have exploded then... and there wouldn't have been so many algerian, moroccan, tunisian flags saluting the victory of Shirak (as he told his horrified wife, "thoses are our new electors", true quote).

Btw,
There are several "right wing" political families in France (I'm summarizing an article I've seen recently, and which I find very true to what I think), excluding the neonazis, a few hundred marginals at most.

On one side :
- the traditional far right, ranging from the conservative catholics to the Vichy's heirs à la Le Pen.
De villiers's MPF is a light version of it, perhaps less ambiguous about islam and antisemitism, though closer to the Establishment.
- the "National-révolutionnaires", national revolutionary, racist commies in disguise.

who are very much anti-americans and antizionist (or quite antisemite for the NR), opposed to capitalism, and may even be pro-arab (french arab policy)/muslim (the NR are absolutely pro-paleostinian, for example)

On another :
- the ad hoc "anti-islam front", a good example of which can be found at http://www.france-echos.com/
- the "Libéraux-conservateurs", conservative free-marketers (a good example here).
Bruno Mégret's MNR would be in that family too.

who are mostly pro-US and pro-zionist and very concerned by the islamization of France.

And finally :
- The neopagans, "one people one land", whose Guru are Pierre Vial or Guillaume Faye, the anti-modernity prophet of ethnic war, whose book "The colonization of Europe" (very interesting read), which cost him $18 000 in fine and bankrupted him, can be downloaded here or here (in french).

They are mostly anti-islam and anti-immigration, pro-unified Europe (not in the current tranzi way, of course), and while wary of the USA cultural imperialism, are not as anti-american as they used to be. The "identitaire" mvt would be close to it, though some are closer to the NR.

Posted by anonymous5089 2006-02-18 07:49|| 2006-02-18 07:49|| Front Page Top

#3 Wow, a5089 -- THANKS!

You've filled my Saturday dance card with reading material, lol.

Posted by .com 2006-02-18 07:57|| 2006-02-18 07:57|| Front Page Top

#4 All the world's idiocies coalescing into one big idiotarian blob.

Posted by Mike 2006-02-18 10:19|| 2006-02-18 10:19|| Front Page Top

#5 Anonymous 5089:

the link to www.france-echos.com is absolutely fabulous !
THANK YOU VERY MUCH !!!
The reality is moving fast !!!

Posted by Poitiers-Lepanto">Poitiers-Lepanto 2006-02-18 10:52|| 2006-02-18 10:52|| Front Page Top

#6 France-echos actually has a much, much, larger archive, with really, really *interesting* analysis on french islam, articles on ordinary crimes, op-eds,... but they got hacked recently, and when they came back, they opted to (at least for the time being) to "forget" their previous articles (several thousands, I'd say), as there is now a new gvt org, the Halde, which is basically a wonderful tool given to the "thoughts police" (one of the members is the mrap, the main islamo-leftist org) by the dying Shirak regime, able to sue at whim, and they wanted to assess their liability.

As for the right-wing analysis, it is not mine, but I fully suscribe (I love it when an article sez things like I think they are...).
I wonder what Frenchfregoli, JFM, would think of that?

Posted by anonymous5089 2006-02-18 10:58|| 2006-02-18 10:58|| Front Page Top

#7 Btw, whatever can be said about JMLP, he's certainly quite a colorful character, you have to at least give him that.

Posted by anonymous5089 2006-02-18 11:01|| 2006-02-18 11:01|| Front Page Top

#8 Get out yur pepper spray 5089.

Posted by 6 2006-02-18 12:10|| 2006-02-18 12:10|| Front Page Top

#9 Le Pen? You sure it's not Petain?

Posted by Whinerong Snoque8645 2006-02-18 13:57|| 2006-02-18 13:57|| Front Page Top

#10 Anonymous5089 wrote:

Plus, the FN long has been a de facto tool of the ruling elite, the "antithesis" to their "thesis" ("vote for us, or you'll get Le Pen, who is the Devil, elected", "don't even think about talking about immigration, it is playing in the hand of Le Pen, who is the Devil").

Sounds more than ever like David Duke here in the early 90's.

Posted by Phil 2006-02-18 15:39|| 2006-02-18 15:39|| Front Page Top

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