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2006-02-18 Home Front: Culture Wars

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Posted by lotp 2006-02-18 07:24|| || Front Page|| [2 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Expected -- and Infuriating.

They play the looong game.

When Islam is eventually outlawed as a terrorist ideology, here and elsewhere, this becomes moot.

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Hell, I'd wager that the decades of accumulated special-interest serving bullshit, failed Tranzi idiocy, failed & empty socialist blather, failed & moronic communist spittle, appeasement of any and all freedom-hating twittery, and general navel-gazer lint and fluff in US textbooks will require not only full re-writes, but dumping the entire wank-o-matic curricula in favor of proven pragmatic and rational approaches to life.
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Posted by .com 2006-02-18 09:12|| 2006-02-18 09:12|| Front Page Top

#2 I respectfully disagree with the first comment on this thread.
islam is not a terrorist ideology, it is a military-political enterprise to conquer the world.
Terrorism is only ONE of the weapons that islam uses: invasion is another (the idiot politicians call it immigration) and economy (OIL) is another.

That is why it's perfectly stupid to debate about MODERATE muslims: even if they existed (and there is not evidence of this), the whole project of conquest of the world would not change.
Is this prejudice ? A look at the last 1400 years of history will tell you how it happened that islam extends today its barbaric laws from Morocco to the (or nearly to the) Philippines.

Posted by Poitiers-Lepanto">Poitiers-Lepanto 2006-02-18 10:32|| 2006-02-18 10:32|| Front Page Top

#3 No argument, actually, P-L. In law it will be deemed a terrorist ideology, thus outlawing it will be understandable and, thus, defensible.

In fact it is, indeed, an ideology of global dominion and, effectively one of slavery for all who survive its takeover. I salute your post for the exceptionally high factual content and clear-eyed analysis. *applause*
:-)

Posted by .com 2006-02-18 10:37|| 2006-02-18 10:37|| Front Page Top

#4 Okay, so what do we DO about it? How about a letter writing campaign to both the State officials in California and to the publishers?

California and Texas set the standards for textbooks, IIRC - I'm under the impression that everyone else just buys one of the texts they approve. If we don't push back on this issue, then we deserve what we get 10 yrs down the road when our own people don't believe militant Islam is a threat ....

Posted by lotp 2006-02-18 10:45|| 2006-02-18 10:45|| Front Page Top

#5 Thanks .com !
Yes, there is really no argument, my point is just always the same: they come at us from different directions and in different ways, the focus on terrorism can lose us. (And by the way, Bob Kennedy had been killed by a muslim, Kahane had been killed by a muslim...when shall we put the starting date of the terrorist attack in America ? the fact is, islam has ALWAYS been and will always be at war with all the Free world and with whomever is not submitted to islam itself).

Posted by Poitiers-Lepanto">Poitiers-Lepanto 2006-02-18 11:00|| 2006-02-18 11:00|| Front Page Top

#6 They play the looong game.

Then this is a losing strategy, at least in the U. S. When I start seeing a burqa on a native American at my local high school, I'll start to worry. At the rate they're going, by the end of the century, the muzzies will be as interesting an historical artifact as the Zorastrians or socialists.

Democracy and toleration in Iraq, there's a strategery that's long term with a historical track record I'd prefer to back.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-02-18 11:38|| 2006-02-18 11:38|| Front Page Top

#7 I dunno, NS. It looks to me as if they're seeing their ideology pretty effectively here. Accelerates their progress.

Posted by lotp 2006-02-18 11:44|| 2006-02-18 11:44|| Front Page Top

#8 P-L :-) We are definitely on the same wavelength!

lotp - I started a reply. After 45+ minutes I'm still typing away, lol. I'll let someone else pick it up and run with it - surely there's a less lengthy response out there I can agree with. I'm entering book territory, lol. I'll excerpt and quit, my bedtime's coming up, anyway.

The essence of my response is four points.

First, we are losing the battle here in America. The camel's nose is under the tent. Islam is using our institutions and civil protections against us. And they are succeeding in enough places to dishearten and dull the response for further attempts. Sami al Arian is a good example of this.

Second I believe that the LE / legal beagle approach is incredibly dangerous simply because it dulls the already dull into believing that nothing needs to change to deal with the threat - and that could prove fatal. But we are losing case after case in the courts system - for several reasons: from the high evidence threshold to activist socialist / Tranzi judges.

Third, given the politics of today, we see the various schemes of the partisan Dhimmidonks and the LLL, desperate to regain power at any cost, successfully attacking even the humane and (currently) legal approaches. Efforts are caricatured and twisted and turned into confusion and confetti, with great effect and repetition due to the MSM's alliance with the Left. The NSA wiretaps are a good example... this leads to:

Fourth, what we have are politicians - and textbook committees, with tons of cover to do nothing - or worse - cuz the voters are factionalized, confused, misinformed, misled. So nothing changes. The status quo almost always wins when the motivation to do so, such as this threat, is dispersed across several fronts, is misidentified and memed, and is mistakenly seen as something more benign. "Well, it's not like they're Nazis or something!" Um, yes it is like that. Precisely like that..

And more of the camel creeps in. It's not going to stop. It plays the loong game. It is implacable. It has the means, the money, the indoctrination machine to refresh its forces and expand the fronts and avenues of attack, and the motivation - and it will never end until one side is obliterated. Not defeated, not won over -- obliterated. It is Shari'a - and it is so obviously incompatible with liberal freedom that I should not need to say it.

More Metaphor Abuse & Summary:
What I fear, and actually expect, is that once the frog in the pot realizes the temperature is becoming dangerous, and that's assuming he does in time, the only way out of submission then will be both very expensive in American lives (within our borders) and apocalyptic (outside our borders). If froggy doesn't get it in time, then it is pan-fried and served in a butter sauce with fresh crushed garlic and julienned veggies.

Well, now I've typed for another 15 minutes and I've hit most of the peaks, but the result reads like shit.

Screw it. Someone else can replace or condense it. I'm not up to it today.

Posted by .com 2006-02-18 12:04|| 2006-02-18 12:04|| Front Page Top

#9 Dang. That's a keeper, .com. And the "Metaphor Abuse & Summary" hits the nail smack-dab on the head. Bravo.

Posted by Dave D.">Dave D. 2006-02-18 12:21|| 2006-02-18 12:21|| Front Page Top

#10 Lol, Dave - you must really hate metaphors, lol.

And I never actually got to an actionable plan of response - my apologies lotp.

How about:
1) A massive PR campaign to correctly identify Islam as the ideology of dominion it actually is.

2) Once redefined, we will see people waking up to it as a threat, not some misunderstood bunch of victims or romantic Oriental artifact. This will help disengage the Tranzis and Lefties from their coalition of convenience due to convergence of interests - the downfall of the defenders of a free America.

3) Another Massive PR Campaign: Identify the backers and supporters of both the Lefties and Islam for what they are: the REAL people who would destroy our freedoms and freaks who subscribe to failed and soon-to-fail ideologies.

4) Identification of the Lefties as seditionists and traitors. Provide the numerous examples of their perfidy (e.g. NSA leaks).

5) Identification of Islam as a terrorist ideology bent upon dominion and slavery.

6) Firing squads.

Something like that.

Posted by .com 2006-02-18 12:33|| 2006-02-18 12:33|| Front Page Top

#11 Works for me, .com. At least through step 5.

Posted by lotp 2006-02-18 13:00|| 2006-02-18 13:00|| Front Page Top

#12 I kinda figured we'd part company somewhere around there, lol. :-)

So you would replace step 6 for each of these entities with... what? I'll be back in a few hours (curling comes back on at 5 Eastern, lol).

Posted by .com 2006-02-18 13:09|| 2006-02-18 13:09|| Front Page Top

#13 Step 5 seems redundant with Step 1. Then again, I don't see any harm in doing it twice, heh.

It occurs to me that this war against Islamic imperialism may not be winnable so long as our Useful Idiots on the left continue their efforts to undermine both its legitimacy and its progress. Winning may simply be impossible under the constraints they impose.

It also occurs to me that without the Left and its incessant interference, winning this war would actually be rather straightforward. Not pretty, for sure, nor painless; but straightforward nonetheless.

It may very well be that the only way to prevail against Islamic domination is to rid ourselves of the Left first.

I take it that's what Step 6 is for...

Posted by Dave D.">Dave D. 2006-02-18 13:10|| 2006-02-18 13:10|| Front Page Top

#14 You said it better, Dave - that's what I was trying to get at in the second half of #2. Thx!

I was thinking we could alternate the jihadis and traitors in #6, lol. PPV, maybe.

Posted by .com 2006-02-18 13:13|| 2006-02-18 13:13|| Front Page Top

#15 I've heard it said that you can't really call an activity a "sport" if you can also drink beer at the same time. Curling appears to meet that standard.

Posted by PBMcL 2006-02-18 13:23|| 2006-02-18 13:23|| Front Page Top

#16 I'm still deciding about #6, .com. I hate to let them off that easily.

Posted by lotp 2006-02-18 13:49|| 2006-02-18 13:49|| Front Page Top

#17 "PPV, maybe."

Pay Per Bullet works, too.

Posted by Dave D.">Dave D. 2006-02-18 14:05|| 2006-02-18 14:05|| Front Page Top

#18 I am ready for the jump to step #9 I have had it. I feel the same way about islamo-fascism as I do about "Scientific Socialism". It has to be eradicated.

Posted by Sock Puppet O' Doom 2006-02-18 14:07|| 2006-02-18 14:07|| Front Page Top

#19 Ultimately we agree. I am just much more confident of the outcome. I make two assumptions that justify this confidence:

1. The American People as a whole are the smartest people in the world with the most resilient society in the world

2. The Islamofascists are the dumbest people in the world with the least resilient society in the world.

Is this really a contest?

Only because we are subsidizing them by buying their oil. When the oil goes away or its replaced, they will once again control only their desert schooners.

But until then, the muzzies will have enough money to continue their activities in concert with their useful idiot accomplices and fifth column allies. That they and their allies have occasional victories by using our system against us is not surprising or discouraging. Itâs part o f the cost of our system.

But are they really winning the battle here in America? Iâll believe that when I see native born American girls wearing burqas to school. Until then theyâre just gaming the system against us with theyâre allies. But gaming the system is not the way to victory.

They are stupid. And impatient. And they are going to do something so stupid that the American people will agree to destroy Islamofascism and whatever else needs to be destroyed on the way. We are no where near this agreement and that is frustrating to those who already recognize the inevitability of the confrontation and that its delay only increases its cost. But thatâs the way we do things and part of the reason that once we do agree, the force created will be irresistible. The Islamofascists and other Muzzies need to carefully study what we did to the American Indians, the Germans, the Japanese and the Russians. Worse will be done to them and theirs before this is over. But they or we will be extinguished as the dominant force in the world.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-02-18 14:08|| 2006-02-18 14:08|| Front Page Top

#20
1. The American People as a whole are the smartest people in the world with the most resilient society in the world

2. The Islamofascists are the dumbest people in the world with the least resilient society in the world.

Is this really a contest?

I agree with you completely on point #1, but there's a big caveat: America's elites have bought into the only ideology dumber and less flexible than Islam: socialism.

When people truly believe they can make everyone equal in status, condition, and ability, their willingness to destroy the things that contradict that ideology is unbounded. The moral wisdom that underlies the West is directly opposed to their ideals, so, "Hey hey, ho ho, Western Civ has got to go!"

Islam is in direct opposition to the West. Socialism is in direct opposition to the West. The Socialists are going to ally themselves with the Islamists, expecting to be able to ride the tiger well enough to come out on top in the end.

We have a two front war going on, with a potential third coming from the far-right. Let's face it, folks, the French found it intolerable to unite with the British during WWII; their counter-reaction to the Islamist threat is more likely to be truly fascist than it is classical liberal.

Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford 2006-02-18 14:55|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2006-02-18 14:55|| Front Page Top

#21 When I start seeing a burqa on a native American at my local high school, I'll start to worry.

I saw someone at a local shopping mall wearing one some months back.

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2006-02-18 15:05|| 2006-02-18 15:05|| Front Page Top

#22 What a great thread. Thanks .com, NS, SPOD, Dave D., lotp, et al. I am enlightened reading these posts on a cold, rainy afternoon while eating Galle and Jessen chocolate wafers.

Why, yes, they're Danish. Why do you ask?

Posted by Quana">Quana 2006-02-18 18:07|| 2006-02-18 18:07|| Front Page Top

#23 BAR, Native or immigrant?

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-02-18 18:10|| 2006-02-18 18:10|| Front Page Top

#24 Native or immigrant?

Probably an immigrant. Quite frankly though, I see no need for the wearing of one on American soil by anyone.

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2006-02-18 19:33|| 2006-02-18 19:33|| Front Page Top

#25 that said, in America, if you wanna wear doughnuts on your head, and aren't bothering anybody, you're entitled to it. The burqa is a convenient indicator of the infiltration tho'.....

I've seen them in downtown San diego, usually on Somalis (the males seem to be the Cab Driver Du Jour)

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2006-02-18 20:09|| 2006-02-18 20:09|| Front Page Top

#26 I will only add the observatiuon that I don't think we're a particularly hard target internally. Hell, they've already got 2 ex-Prez & 1 ex-Veep assholes in their pocket - and Gawd knows how many other current elected officials, State Dept types, and lobbyists are on the Saudi Retirement Plan. You can bet Bandar's, now Turki's, Rolodex would dazzle you with both sad confirmations and eye-popping revelations...

Money talks. Loud.

Posted by .com 2006-02-18 20:55|| 2006-02-18 20:55|| Front Page Top

#27 .com, does that mean you've been on the phone with the ol' Turkmeister himself? Perhaps it's a new tone we'll be reading at the 'burg soon. Just don't start spending it till the check clears. :#)

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-02-18 21:00|| 2006-02-18 21:00|| Front Page Top

#28 Lol. He could send me a fat check if'n he wants, lol.

When Bush went after the banking records of the Saudi Embassy, the gloves officially came off - and put the lie to the morons who claim the Bush Dynasty is in Saudi pockets, not Dubya, mebbe Daddy - at least as far as he was concerned. I'll bet there were some surprises in there...

Posted by .com 2006-02-18 22:15|| 2006-02-18 22:15|| Front Page Top

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