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2006-04-27 Home Front: Culture Wars

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Posted by Steve 2006-04-27 12:13|| || Front Page|| [2 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 The Crusades are a violent episode between Europe and the East. They begin in the eleventh century and last for several hundred years. One notable purpose of the Crusades was to take back the Holy Land (Jerusalem) from the Muslims. Europe succeeded in this endeavor in the first crusade. In the end, history has not looked kindly on this exposition that Pope Innocent II had declared a holy war against the infidels.

Posted by anonymous5089 2006-04-27 13:24|| 2006-04-27 13:24|| Front Page Top

#2 The authors of this tripe are products of what American education has become since the left took over in the 60's. They have a minimal, distorted grasp of history and absolutely no problem solving ability. They are basically useless and if left to their own devices would starve.

Posted by RWV 2006-04-27 13:27|| 2006-04-27 13:27|| Front Page Top

#3 the 9/11 catastrophe

What a vile euphemism for mass murder.

Posted by Matt 2006-04-27 13:40|| 2006-04-27 13:40|| Front Page Top

#4 Who wrote this crap? Obviously they've never encountered a history book.

The Ottoman Empire peaked in 1750, and steadily declined after that. The Spaniards drove the last of the Moors from the Iberian peninsula in 1492. The Greeks revolted in 1824, and between then and 1918, steadily drove the Turks (and therefore, mulims) out of Greece.

The French, Italians, British and Spain colonized most of North Africa between 1798 and 1840. These same nations also gained control of India, Yemen, Ceylon, Burma, Malaysia and many other formerly muslim nations around the same time.

The Turks sided with the Austria-Germany alliance during World War I, and were on the losing side. The Ottoman Empire, which stretched from Persia to Egypt, was broken up as part of the treaty settlement following the war. Kemal Attaturk revolted against the Grand Pasha in 1928, and founded the current secular state of Turkey.

This article is about like Hollywood's movies - based on what the Hollywoodmoles think SHOULD have happened, rather than upon accepted and documented history.

Posted by Old Patriot">Old Patriot 2006-04-27 13:45|| http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]">[http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/] 2006-04-27 13:45|| Front Page Top

#5 Urban II is the pope most associated with getting the Crusades going.

Innocent II took office well after the First Crusade was finished and died several years before the 2nd started.

Also, since the United States wasn't founded for hundreds of years after the last Crusade was finished, I don't see what one has to do with the other except the standard AMERICA IS THE SOURCE OF ALL EVIL IN THE WORLD SINCE THE DAWN OF TIME

Posted by Dreadnought 2006-04-27 14:09|| 2006-04-27 14:09|| Front Page Top

#6 you can go further back than that, OP: within 100 years of mohammed's death, the Muslim armies were beaten back at Tours, France by Charles Martel after they overran North Africa and Spain. Rome was invaded and sacked within 200 years. The first Crusade was launched 300 years after Tours, after centuries of provocations.

One has to ask whether this lack of historical knowledge is accidental or deliberate.

Posted by Ptah">Ptah 2006-04-27 14:09|| http://www.crusaderwarcollege.org]">[http://www.crusaderwarcollege.org] 2006-04-27 14:09|| Front Page Top

#7 Ptah,

I'd say the avoidance of historical knowledge is deliberate. All the ensuing idiocies that then result are accidental.

Posted by Dreadnought 2006-04-27 14:21|| 2006-04-27 14:21|| Front Page Top

#8 They won back Constantinople (which changed hands several times before the modern day name change of Istanbul)

Even old New York was once New Amsterdam. ;)

Posted by BH 2006-04-27 14:22|| 2006-04-27 14:22|| Front Page Top

#9 The Ottomans did not "win back" Constantinople, which had been a Christian city from the time of its refoundation in the 4th century until its conquest by the Ottoman Sultan Mehmet II in 1453. True, the city had fallen in 1204, but that was to Western Christians.

Most historians would say that the Ottoman Empire peaked under Suleiman (1520-1566). The early 1600s were not a good time, as the empire was hard-hit by rebellions in Anatolia. It recovered a bit under the Koprolu Viziers in the mid and late 1600s (taking Crete from Venice, for example), but the assault on Vienna was a disaster. The head of the Vizier was sent to the sultan on a silver tray, and soon afterwards the Austrians took all of Hungary from the Ottomans. Its was pretty much downhill for the Turks after that.

Posted by pagan infidel 2006-04-27 14:50|| 2006-04-27 14:50|| Front Page Top

#10 I read that the cute little Hollywood actress Leelee Sobieski (Joan of Arc, etc) was a descendent of the hero of the Siege of Vienna.

http://imdb.com/find?s=all&q=sobieski

Posted by JDB 2006-04-27 14:53|| 2006-04-27 14:53|| Front Page Top

#11 When Jan Sobieski arrived at Veienna, he supposedly took one look at the Turkish encampment and knew immediately that victory was at hand. During the course of the bloody 30-Years War (1618-1648), the Europeans had made great strides in the military sciences. They Turks, on the other hand, fell behind -- and were never able to catch up. (Although they did use machine guns quite effectively at Gallipoli in WWI, and then smashed the over-extended Greeks in the early 1920s).

Posted by pagan infidel 2006-04-27 15:40|| 2006-04-27 15:40|| Front Page Top

#12 Nothing like the 30-Years War to give one a real feel for breaking things and killing folks. Invented in Europe.

Posted by 6 2006-04-27 15:52|| 2006-04-27 15:52|| Front Page Top

#13 Hey, on the 30 years war don't knock us good Lutherans.. We ran some solid battles.

Posted by 3dc 2006-04-27 18:02|| 2006-04-27 18:02|| Front Page Top

#14 Ah yes, the Thirty Years War: when Sweden had one of the best militaries around and wasn't afraid to use it.

Posted by Xbalanke 2006-04-27 18:27|| 2006-04-27 18:27|| Front Page Top

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