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2006-07-27 Israel-Palestine-Jordan

'They Know Everything,' Say Israeli Troops

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Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-07-27 07:21|| || Front Page|| [4 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 ""They know where we are coming from. They know everything."

Get a clue IDF, the UN observation posts are passing intelligence to the Hezbollah. Give a 10 minute warning and destroy every UN post.

"They are attacking us in a very organized position,"

This is what happens when you fight a war where appeasing the MSM is the primary goal. FAE the strongholds and be done with it. I know Rumsfeld would've done it. Maybe they could borrow Rumsfeld for a couple of days.

Posted by Poison Reverse 2006-07-27 09:12|| 2006-07-27 09:12|| Front Page Top

#2 FAE the UN posts.

Posted by DarthVader 2006-07-27 09:15|| 2006-07-27 09:15|| Front Page Top

#3 "What... is your favorite caliber?"

Posted by mojo">mojo 2006-07-27 10:21|| 2006-07-27 10:21|| Front Page Top

#4 "What... is your favorite caliber?"<:i>

16 inches.

Posted by JFM">JFM 2006-07-27 10:24|| 2006-07-27 10:24|| Front Page Top

#5 Why are the un posts still manned? They were put in place to prevent Hezbollah from moving arms into south Lebanon and prevent hostilities. Since that mission was a resounding failure (one more onto the un history) there is absolutely no reason for the peace keepers to stay put.

Posted by Cyber Sarge 2006-07-27 10:27|| 2006-07-27 10:27|| Front Page Top

#6 Like PR said. Give them 10 minutes and then take them out.

The U.N. is actively working on the side of the terrorists.

Posted by CrazyFool 2006-07-27 10:34|| 2006-07-27 10:34|| Front Page Top

#7 The only reason the UN troops are still there is what is known as passive resistance. That is to delay or slow down in a crowded intersection to screw those behind you. Asshole drivers do it all the time. In this case the asshole is Kofi Annon.
This is just another proof that the UN is not serious about it's duties. Kofi and most of the other UN delegates are playing VIP.
I'm not anybody important, but I play a VIP at the UN. They're just not serious.

Posted by wxjames 2006-07-27 11:30|| 2006-07-27 11:30|| Front Page Top

#8 The UN is providing info to the Hezzies--you know it. IDF tell the UN outpost that you are bombing in 10 minutes (if you are feeling charitable). Or better yet, wait until the UN investigation team arrives and then bomb again. Solves a couple of problems. Seldom do you get a two-fer.

Posted by JohnQC 2006-07-27 11:52|| 2006-07-27 11:52|| Front Page Top

#9 A frontal assault on positions prepared over a period of 6 years. Hasn't the IDF ever read B.H. Liddell Hart?

Posted by Leonidas 2006-07-27 11:56|| 2006-07-27 11:56|| Front Page Top

#10 there is absolutely no reason for the peace keepers to stay put.

"This coordinated artillery and aerial attack on a long established and clearly marked U.N. post at Khiyam occurred despite personal assurances given to me by Prime Minister Ehud Olmert that U.N. positions would be spared Israeli fire," Annan said.

Posted by Celsius 2006-07-27 14:27|| 2006-07-27 14:27|| Front Page Top

#11 The UN is providing info to the Hezzies--you know it. IDF tell the UN outpost that you are bombing in 10 minutes (if you are feeling charitable). Or better yet, wait until the UN investigation team arrives and then bomb again. Solves a couple of problems. Seldom do you get a two-fer.

The straw in your shoes is beginning to show. The UN peacekeepers are composed of soldiers from all over the globe, many of them allies. A Canadian soldier died in that attack. I know the US doesn't participate in these missions, so you don't give a shit about who you kill, but I do. So fuck you.

Posted by Celsius 2006-07-27 14:31|| 2006-07-27 14:31|| Front Page Top

#12 Consider the Defense Minister of Israel

Amir Peretz - Wikipedia bio

Amir Peretz (Hebrew: עמיר פרץ; born March 9, 1952) is an Israeli politician and Defense Minister of Israel. He also is the current leader of the Labour Party of Israel. Peretz is the former chairman of the Histadrut trade union federation and defeated Shimon Peres in the primary elections for the Labour leadership in November 9, 2005. He led the Labour Party to a second place showing in the 2006 Israeli elections. He was sworn in as Defense Minister[1] along with the rest of the new Cabinet of Prime Minister Ehud Olmert on May 4, 2006.

[..]

Views and beliefs

Peretz is strongly committed to social issues and to the strengthening of the welfare state. He has declared that "within two years of taking office I will have eradicated child poverty in Israel". Notwithstanding, he has also reiterated his commitment to a market economy. For his movement in latter years towards "third way" positions, as well as for his earthy and warm personality, Peretz has been compared to Brazilian president Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva.

In matters concerning relations with the Palestinians and the Arab world, Peretz holds dovish positions. He was an early member of the Peace Now movement. He was also, in the 1980s, a member of a group of eight Labour party Knesset members, dubbed "the Eight" and led by Yossi Beilin, who tried to set a liberal agenda for the party in matters concerning the peace process with the Palestinians. Peretz connects between the peace process and internal Israeli social issues. He believes that the unresolved conflict with the Palestinians has also been a hindrance to the solution of some of Israel's most pressing social ills, such as rising inequality. He sees the resources allotted to the settlements in the West Bank as having diverted funds that could have helped to solve these problems. He has described the conflict as having mutated Israeli politics, so that the traditional left-right distinctions do not hold: Instead of supporting a social-democratic left which would advance their cause, the lower classes, mostly of Middle Eastern Jewish origins, were diverted to the right by the fanning of nationalist tendencies. Concurrently the left in Israel was usurped by the well-to-do, so that the Labour party had ironically become elitist. That is why Peretz sees an intrinsic connection between a solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and the resolving of Israel's internal social tensions (see Interview in Ha'aretz).

Posted by 3dc 2006-07-27 14:42|| 2006-07-27 14:42|| Front Page Top

#13 I'm a bit more optimistic here than most about IDF tactics.

Of course, if Israel decided to play really ugly hard ball, and it might if the current tactics fail, then towns like Bint Jbeil will be reduced to dust.

Hezbollahs Iwo Jima Delusion

Posted by Lancasters Over Dresden 2006-07-27 14:50|| http://www.michaelcalderonscall.com/HomePage.asp]">[http://www.michaelcalderonscall.com/HomePage.asp] 2006-07-27 14:50|| Front Page Top

#14 "So fuck you."

Well, we've got another Jew-hating Nazi pig to join Levant.

Sod off, you gas-chamber loving filth.

Posted by Sheang Angeremp8969 2006-07-27 14:53|| 2006-07-27 14:53|| Front Page Top

#15 Sheang Angeremp8969 - whom are you upset with?

Posted by 3dc 2006-07-27 15:09|| 2006-07-27 15:09|| Front Page Top

#16 #6 Like PR said. Give them 10 minutes and then take them out.

The U.N. is actively working on the side of the terrorists.

Correct. Also, Hezbollah has been placing its terrorists and rocket launchers near UN positions. I say bomb them both.

Posted by Lancasters Over Dresden 2006-07-27 15:16|| http://www.michaelcalderonscall.com/HomePage.asp]">[http://www.michaelcalderonscall.com/HomePage.asp] 2006-07-27 15:16|| Front Page Top

#17 "The straw in your shoes is beginning to show. The UN peacekeepers are composed of soldiers from all over the globe, many of them allies. A Canadian soldier died in that attack. I know the US doesn't participate in these missions, so you don't give a shit about who you kill, but I do. So fuck you. "

Um... , I'd like to call your attention to the following quote...

"A Canadian U.N. observer, one of four killed at a UNIFIL position near the southern Lebanese town of Khiyam on Tuesday, sent an e-mail to his former commander, a Canadian retired major-general, Lewis MacKenzie, in which he wrote that Hezbollah fighters were "all over" the U.N. position, Mr. MacKenzie said. Hezbollah troops, not the United Nations, were Israel's target, the deceased observer wrote. . . ."

Oh, and fuck you too.

Posted by Mark E. 2006-07-27 15:17|| 2006-07-27 15:17|| Front Page Top

#18 Ummm, what's with the F-bomb being tossed around here?

And what happened to the Sink Trap policy?

Posted by Lancasters Over Dresden 2006-07-27 15:19|| http://www.michaelcalderonscall.com/HomePage.asp]">[http://www.michaelcalderonscall.com/HomePage.asp] 2006-07-27 15:19|| Front Page Top

#19 Hey Celsius, have you seen the photos of Hezzie flags flying right along side UN flags at these 'UN posts'? I have. Try Michelle Malkin's website, or dozens of others. Then take a good long hard look at the info provided by Mark and others about what the Canadian observer reported. 'F*ck you' is not an argument. Tell me, Mr. Articulate, should Israel hold up just because the Hezzies fire rockets, then duck inside UN positions like the dirty stinking cowards they are? "Olle Ollie Oxen Free" is not a recognized battle strategy.

Posted by mcsegeek1 2006-07-27 15:28|| 2006-07-27 15:28|| Front Page Top

#20 "The UN peacekeepers are composed of soldiers from all over the globe, many of them allies."

Celsius,

Allies to whom. Kofi, EU, China, Iran, or perhaps Syria. The fact that he is Canadian doesn't mean jack. Ever heard of the American Taliban. If you think all Canadian soldiers working for Kofi denounces terrorism, give me some of what you're smoking. Your loose immigration laws allow Canada to be one of the biggest hubs for terrorists in the West. You don't believe me read this.

Canadas Asylum System. Here is a list terrorist Muslim terrorist groups. What are the chances that 80% of these have a presence in Canada? The facts show, the chances are very good.

Abu Sayyaf
Aden-Abyan Islamic Army
Al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya
Armed Islamic Group
Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades
Ansar al-Islam
Al-Qaeda
Asbat al-Ansar
Jama'at al-Tawhid wa'al-Jihad/Al-Qaeda in Iraq
Egyptian Islamic Jihad
Hamas
Harakat ul-Mujahidin (HUM)
Hezbollah
Hizbul Mujahideen
Islamic Front for the Liberation of Bahrain
Islamic Movement of Central Asia
Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan
Jaish-e-Mohammed
Jaish Ansar al-Sunna
Jemaah Islamiyah
Lashkar-e-Jhangvi
Lashkar-e-Toiba
Lord's Resistance Army Christian/Pagan/Muslim terrorist group
Maktab al-Khadamat
Moroccan Islamic Combatant Group
Moro Islamic Liberation Front
Muslim Brotherhood
Palestinian Islamic Jihad
People Against Gangsterism and Drugs
Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat
Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan
Takfir wal-Hijra
Kurdish-Hizbullah
Hofstad Network

Posted by Poison Reverse 2006-07-27 15:42|| 2006-07-27 15:42|| Front Page Top

#21 celcius , no fuck you and you say we don't support these missions we just pay for them and if we are in them they are at least mildly succesful.So with that said take your ass over there and meet a IAF bomb

Posted by . 2006-07-27 15:50|| 2006-07-27 15:50|| Front Page Top

#22 Lancasters Over Dresden, interesting post, I'll forward it. Hope you're right.

OT : why refer to Israel as a "she"? France is a feminine word in french (yes, countries have genders, in french, often feminine), and the bare-chested marianne is the emblem of the republic, so I don't mind France being called a "she"... but this is real weird for Israel, which really hasn't a feminine tone, especially from etymology IIRC. Am I missing a linguistic habit?

Posted by anonymous5089 2006-07-27 16:03|| 2006-07-27 16:03|| Front Page Top

#23 Regrettably, Israel has been reduced to telegraphing every freakin movement they make.

They send candygrams to everyone warning them to evacuate. And, what the Hezzies don't know, they get by watching the tube.

All this transparency is getting Israeli soldiers shot up and killed.

Posted by Captain America 2006-07-27 16:50|| 2006-07-27 16:50|| Front Page Top

#24 A5089, in English all countries are referred to as 'she' or 'it', never as 'he'. The use of 'she' (rather than 'it') implies familiarity or affection.

Posted by phil_b">phil_b 2006-07-27 17:10|| http://autonomousoperation.blogspot.com/]">[http://autonomousoperation.blogspot.com/] 2006-07-27 17:10|| Front Page Top

#25 Hebrew is actually a gendered language, a5089. Most democratic countries are "she", welcoming and nurturing, most militaristic and/or totalitarian countries "he," testosterone-raddled and overendowed (or so they hope!). Israel was founded by true-believing labour socialists, in the hope that the Jews had would be able to live in peace and freedom, and make the desert bloom.

Posted by trailing wife 2006-07-27 17:31|| 2006-07-27 17:31|| Front Page Top

#26 TW, not too long ago I studied the Peel Commission plan for the partition of what Britain referred to as Palestine (sans Transjordan, which had already been hived off.)

The British made the mistaken assumption that the few poor, downtrodden, socially and culturally backward Arab residents of that unhappy place would be glad to have smart, hardworking, moneyed people come and improve their lot by the injection of knowledge and capital to the country. The British erred in believing that but not for any obvious reason; it's certainly reasonable to think that way. The problem lay in the minds of the people they were working with on the Arab side.

In reading the Commission's report, I was repeatedly struck by the idea that if the British and Palestine's Jewish inhabitants had been dealing with ANYONE other than Muslim Arabs, that root assumption would probably have held true. However, Islam's shame/honor culture kicked in and every good thing the returning Jews did was held against them as being an affront to Arab pride. Even drastically lowering the country's infant mortality rate through the provision of better medical care and the draining of malarial swamps was not appreciated.

One of the most telling lines in that report's conclusion noted that in Palestine by 1936 the mutual distrust and dislike between Jews and Arabs was worse than the similar relationship existing between Catholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland. For a man like Reginald Coupland, who truly knew his British history, to have written such a thing after having closely witnessed the events of 1916-1936 speaks volumes about the situation. If anything, it's worse now than it was then. I pray every day that we'll find something to replace oil quickly so we can take away the weapons it gives Muslims. That's the only way, short of killing them all first, that I can see to stop them from eventually destroying Israel.

Posted by mac 2006-07-27 18:04|| 2006-07-27 18:04|| Front Page Top

#27 "The fact that he is Canadian doesn't mean jack. Ever heard of the American Taliban. If you think all Canadian soldiers working for Kofi denounces terrorism, give me some of what you're smoking. Your loose immigration laws allow Canada to be one of the biggest hubs for terrorists in the West. You don't believe me read this.
"

I find this attitude disrespectful to Major Hess von Krudner and his family. Why insinuate terrorist allegiance? He is from Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry, the same unit that plugged more than a few Taliban during Operation Anaconda and still holds the world's longest sniper kill. Weak assylum system is a problem indeed, but your comments are way out of line. While Hess von Krudner didn't serve in Afghanistan, there is nothing to indicate that he was anything less than a dedicated soldier.

Link

"The officer, nicknamed Wolf by his colleagues and believed to be in his mid-40s, participated in peacekeeping missions in Cyprus, Bosnia and the Democratic Republic of the Congo as a member of the storied Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry.

Regimental Warrant Officer Pete Palmer, based with the Princess Pats in Edmonton, recalled Major Hess-von Kruedener as "one of the most fit, gung-ho types of soldiers."

"He was demanding of both professionalism and knowing your job, and also being able to lead by example. He was in excellent physical condition."

Posted by Ulineper Ebbererong2077 2006-07-27 20:26|| 2006-07-27 20:26|| Front Page Top

#28 I judge people by their actions not their nationality. If this soldier is as you say, I highly salute his service not only to Canada but also, the great job in behalf of America in Afghanistan.

However, I still stand by my statements as an overall comment. If he is going to be posted in a station where you have the U.N. flag and Hezbollah flag next to each other, then be ready to accept the consequences. Frankly, Canada should've worked a little harder to get this great soldier out of the war zone. This war has nothing to do with him or Canada. If you feel otherwise, then Canada needs to provide direct military support to Israel or Hezbollah. If not, then leave. Pick a side, don't stand in the middle. The U.S. gives direct military support to Israel, so we stick around.

Posted by Poison Reverse 2006-07-27 21:35|| 2006-07-27 21:35|| Front Page Top

#29 This is why God invented flamethrowers.

I'd love to see the look on Anderson Cooper's face when they start flamethrowing Hezbollah all over Lebanon.

Posted by Chutch Grineger4959 2006-07-27 21:45|| 2006-07-27 21:45|| Front Page Top

#30 Can someone tell me what FAE does mean ? (I am not American) Thanks. I appreciate this site.

Posted by leroidavid">leroidavid 2006-07-27 22:49|| 2006-07-27 22:49|| Front Page Top

#31 Fuel-Air Explosive bomb, i reckon.

Big, big bang.

Posted by Oldcat 2006-07-27 22:57|| 2006-07-27 22:57|| Front Page Top

#32 Thanks Oldcat.

Now that I know the meaning, I can say: FAE all Hezbollah's and Hamas' terrorists.

Posted by leroidavid">leroidavid 2006-07-27 23:02|| 2006-07-27 23:02|| Front Page Top

#33 Welcome to ~~the country of~~ Rantburg, ~~King David~~ Leroi. :-D

Where do you hail from when you're not dropping by here (if you don't mind my asking)?

Posted by Barbara Skolaut">Barbara Skolaut 2006-07-27 23:20|| http://ariellestjohndesigns.com]">[http://ariellestjohndesigns.com] 2006-07-27 23:20|| Front Page Top

#34 I am writing from Paris, where there is no Hezbollah terrorist (yet) but where there are a lot of Hezbollah-minded media, as anti-American as Al-Manar (I sometimes would like to FAE those rabid anti-American and anti-Israeli french media).

Posted by leroidavid">leroidavid 2006-07-27 23:48|| 2006-07-27 23:48|| Front Page Top

#35 I am not going to blame the soldiers that died, but Kofi Anus he is the one that is to blame the SOB left them their to die and it is on his head the POS.

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