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2006-09-28 Europe

Madrid attackers were trained in Afghanistan

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Posted by Fred 2006-09-28 00:00|| || Front Page|| [2 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 This doesn't surprise.

Posted by Captain America 2006-09-28 01:04|| 2006-09-28 01:04|| Front Page Top

#2 Trained in Afghanistan with over 100,000 others. Three weeks prior to 9-11, the "Islamway" website - connected to the Islamic Circle of North America - lost their ISP because they were posting Taliban/al-Qaeda recruitment messages. Many American Muslims of Pakistan descent who took extended vacations in Pakistan, actually took jihad-training in bin Laden terror camps. Thousands of these latent killers walk America's streets. Fear of being tarred with "Islamophobia" chills scrutiny of the pre-911 trainees.

Posted by Snease Shaiting3550 2006-09-28 04:08|| 2006-09-28 04:08|| Front Page Top

#3 The Pakistan, Times merely repeats a smoke screen set by Spain's socialist press

Trust nothing about what the anglo-saxcn MSM say about the Spanish bomings. The reason is taht they base on what they see in Spanish journal of reference El Pais and this ones has become an officious ogran of the socialist party and makes the New Yoprk Times and BBC look honest.

Here is a summary of the siatuation

1) Some 90% of the suspects (both dead and alive) were in police payroll. They were petty criminals with no known links to islamism, some married, with children and their beahviour didn't match (in the days following the crime one of them called the police about vandalism his house had been victim).

2) The outcome of the elections depended on who was the author of the bombings: if it was ETA (as believed by EVERYONE, even the Basque nationalisyts) or at least, if ETA had helped the islamists then it would have been an overwhelming victory for the right wing party. If it was the Islamists then it gave the socialist an opportunity to win the elections

3) This was not enough. It also needed that the Governemnt looked like it was lying. The radios and TVs linked to the pro-socialist Grupo PRISA (El Pais mother firm) told several hours before the governemnt about clues pointing to islamist action. But the reason is that the Police didn't transmit the information to the government (cf note 1) until several hours after they had been filtrated to Prisa. Later, during the day before the elections (ie the "day of reflexion" where political activities are forbidden) there were demonstrations in front of the Popular Party sieges telling "Governmnt Assassin"... cevered by the PRisa TV, with an off-voice telling every five minutes the demionstartions were spotneous (they weren't) and that the reamins of a suicide terrorrist had been found (it was a white lie). It looks like these demos (and Prisa coverage) had a heavy influence on the outcome of the elections.

5) Clues on the scene of crime (like an uneploded bomb with a mobile phone and its card) led to first arrests of islamist took place before the elections.

Now during the investigation there have been plenty of contradictions (islamists who never set foot in a mosque (cf note 2) and still less in Afghanistan), unexploded bomb with shrapnel when no victim had any shrapnel, a van found full of explosives who had been previously searched with sniffer dogs and found empty.

Also there was NO investigation about the types of explosives (so no tracing of the source), the explosive experts didn't allow the guys of "scientific police" to take photos of the unexploded bomb before setting it because "it could detonate it". Police has omitted to transmit inforamtion to the judge. Important documents appear to have been rewriten or downright falsified, specially all parts about clues leading to collaboration between Basque and Islamic terrorism. In recent days despite all efforts of the government an investigation has been opened.

Now let's imagine a few hypotheis.

1) Islamists perpetrated bombings without help from ETA and arrests were legitimate. The miraculous clues had been planted by the islamist in order to be arrested and thus get the political effect they were after (toppling of the pro-US government). Nothing happens but this looks less credible every day.

2) Islamist perpetred the bombings but socislist policemen in hand with Prisa mounted an operation to mainpulate public opinion and alter ellection results. This implied fabricating clues adn arresting scape goats before the election. This would have an enormous backlash for the government

3) Ditto but with a bigger backlask wiould be if ETA had been involved, still more because Zapatero is involved in a process of surrendering to ETA

4) the Socialist policemen who controlled the suspects knew in advance about the bombings but them and Zapatero decided to let 200 people get killed in order to alter elkection outcome

Now, the news is that more and more people in Spain are beginng to believe at the very least in option two and that a couple weeks ago a Socialist ex-minister told something about "the Socialist party should auto-dissolve in case it knew beforehand". Ie even betrween high-ranking socialists option 4) is no longer considered unthinkable given the facts who are being revealed and the efforts of the government and police for closing/hindering the investigation or falsifying clues.

That is why there is suddenly a "discovery" that these guys went to Afghanistan.

Note 1: There is no spoils system in Spain. So governemnt, specially right wing governemnts have tio cope with civil servants who dislike it or are downright disloyal

Note 2: Islamisyt terrorists like Atta begin by being heavy mosque goers, grow a beard and only in a second phase, after optiong terrorism stop going to the mosque, shave their beard and try to look Westerner. The Madrdid guys were never in the beard/mosque going phase

Posted by JFM">JFM 2006-09-28 05:57|| 2006-09-28 05:57|| Front Page Top

#4 THe investigation I mentionned and who was opened just a couple days ago is about the action of memebers of Spanish police in falsifying official documents relative to the investigation of ythe bombings.

Posted by JFM">JFM 2006-09-28 08:30|| 2006-09-28 08:30|| Front Page Top

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